OT/MISC Don’t Pee in the Pool, It's Not What the Chlorine's For...

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May 27 2016 9:28 AM

Don’t Pee in the Pool

Seriously, it’s not what the chlorine is there to neutralize.

By Kate Baggaley
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So … pool smell.

Yes, pool smell. Most people would say that swimming pools smell like chlorine. In a recent survey, three-quarters of respondents pegged the chemical smell of pool water as a sign of too much chlorine.


So that smell indicates a super-clean pool?


Actually, nope, it doesn’t. That smell is not chlorine.


Wait, what is it then?


That smell actually results when chlorine reacts with something in your pool. What you’re smelling are chemicals called chloramines, particularly one called trichloramine. They’re formed when the chlorine disinfectants in a pool react with nitrogen-based compounds in swimmers’ sweat, urine, hair, or skin.


Trichloramine is the most volatile of the chloramines, which means that it’s best at moving from a liquid to a gas, which makes it easier for your nose to smell.


Chlorine itself does have a smell, and it is similar to what you’re used to whiffing at the pool (or in bleach), says Ernest Blatchley, a civil and environmental engineer at Purdue University. But the concentration of chlorine in a pool is low enough that you’re probably not going to smell it—until it starts mixing with people’s sweat or pee to produce chloramines.


That’s kind of gross, but isn’t this what the chlorine is there for?


Well, not exactly. Chlorine is the pool disinfectant of choice because it’s great at killing more serious germs. Chlorine disinfectants can quickly disarm bacteria and viruses, preventing waterborne illnesses such as cholera, as well as less dramatic maladies like swimmer’s ear. So that’s all great.


Unfortunately, it doesn’t work on everything—there are some largely chlorine-resistant protozoans, such as Giardia (the intestinal parasite that causes backpackers disease) and diarrhea-causing Cryptosporidium, one of the most common causes of waterborne disease. The risk of catching these from a swimming pool is relatively low, however, and most other pathogens are wiped out by chlorine within an hour.



OK, so I know that these chloramines smell, but are they actually a problem?


They might be. In the short term, chloramines are just an annoyance. But some people are more sensitive than others, and these chemicals can make them hack and cough, may give them a rash, or spark a burning feeling in their eyes (another thing we mistake for an effect of chlorine itself). There might also be a connection between long-term chloramine exposure and asthma, though scientists haven’t proven exactly if or how one causes the other yet.


Outside, wind can sweep gaseous trichloramine away, which limits its impact. “In an indoor pool you don’t have that luxury,” Blatchley says, so the compounds can build up and be more irritating. (This is why indoor pools so frequently encourage, or demand, swimmers to shower prior to entry.)


Additionally, aside from irritating your eyes and skin, chloramines are a nuisance because they hog chlorine that would otherwise be keeping disease-causing microbes in check. Or, as famed microbiologist Charles Garba told the Atlantic in 1997 about family friendly pools—“ The chlorine goes so fast with all the kids whizzing in there.”


What am I supposed to do—stop using chlorine?


Oh, definitely not. Using chlorine is the way to go for pool cleanliness. Please keep using it. But stop thinking that a chemical-smelling pool is the sign of a clean pool.


How much chlorine should I use?


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends a chlorine concentration of at least 1 milligram per liter of water for pools, and triple that for hot tubs. And then, if your pool smells extra chlorine-y, add a little more. This counterintuitive action should get rid of the chloramines and stop them from forming.


Should I not swim in other people’s very chloramine-y smelling pools?


People vary a lot in how sensitive they are to both the smell and the irritating effects of chloramine. Because of this, there’s no set amount of smelliness that means you should avoid a pool. Better to be protected from cholera and the like, to be honest.


What else can I do to stop chloramines from forming?


Here is where there is sound advice: Shower before you swim. Also, refrain from peeing in the pool. You can’t really help the fact that some chloramines will be created from your hair and skin, but not peeing in the pool is an excellent way to limit their existence.


I thought Michael Phelps said it’s OK to pee in the pool though …


Still no. It’s true that Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte have admitted to peeing in the pool. Phelps even told the Wall Street Journal that “it’s kind of a normal thing to do for swimmers … Chlorine kills it so it’s not bad.”


He’s right that if the urine has bacteria (it usually doesn’t) the chlorine will kill it. But he’s wrong that this is what the chlorine is there to do. Plus, when uric acid and chlorine meet, they don’t only make trichloramine. They also form a toxic gas called cyanogen chloride, which can damage the heart, lungs and nervous system. To be fair, it would take a lot of urine mixed with a lot of chlorine to make enough of this to do serious harm, which is likely how Phelps and Lochte have gotten away with it for so long. But they’re also competing for Olympic medals, so unless you have an equally valid excuse, it’s really just better to get out and pee elsewhere.


Plus, it’s just good manners.


Kate Baggaley is a freelance science writer based in New York City.
 

Anti-Liberal

Veteran Member
We have a couple of water parks where I live and when I was young my friends and I would go all the time. After seeing all the thousands of visitors there after all those years I have been totally grossed out thinking about all the piss that I was swimming in. Needless to say I don't visit them anymore. I now call those water parks "International Piss Pools"
 

BetterLateThanNever

Veteran Member
I won't swim in a pool unless it is owned by a couple of friends with no kids.

A public pool? A lot of people are too lazy to get out of a pool and take a piss.

Look at NY City.....some people will piss in the street instead of looking for a rest room.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What if there were an indicator chemical that could be added to pools that would turn green or red when contacted by urea. People would be less likely to pee in the pool if they suddenly were surrounded by a cloud of off-color water. :lol:
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
What if there were an indicator chemical that could be added to pools that would turn green or red when contacted by urea. People would be less likely to pee in the pool if they suddenly were surrounded by a cloud of off-color water. :lol:

I LIKE it! Why hasn't this been done already? I can see a new "movement" now.... "Stop pool pisser shaming."
 

Tumbleweed

Veteran Member
Sign on the gate of a public swimming pool:

"Welcome to our 'OOL'."
"Notice there's no 'P' in it - - Please keep it that way!" :lol:
 

Dreamer

Veteran Member
What if there were an indicator chemical that could be added to pools that would turn green or red when contacted by urea. People would be less likely to pee in the pool if they suddenly were surrounded by a cloud of off-color water. :lol:

All the neighborhood moms had us convinced that this existed as kids.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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I maintained a hotel pool for several years. Seeing the people getting in and out of the pool and what I've dredged out of the filters as well as the water quality after certain groups had been in the pool even running the Chlorine wide open...yeah, I do not use any pool that might even be semi-public
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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I won't swim in a pool unless it is owned by a couple of friends with no kids.

A public pool? A lot of people are too lazy to get out of a pool and take a piss.

Look at NY City.....some people will piss in the street instead of looking for a rest room.

add in the people/kids that do not wipe properly [[or some that crap themselves because they do not care.]]. Menstrual flow, snot-ever see one of those people who swim under water from one end to the other then, as soons as the come up they kind of pull/wipe/blow their nose? A couple where the GF gets frisky with the BF, maybe her hand is under the water for a few minutes or the ones who actually gets frisky when it's dark? List is endless and I've seen most of it.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Before he went into the Marines, our son was working at a water theme park. He NEVER swam in it!

He said bus loads of a certain race would come in and crap in the water and from his station, he could see diarrhea as the kids would crap in the pool rather than go to a rest room.

The park would have everyone get out and cycle the water or whatever to try and clean in. Once he said a parent took a blood dump in one of the pools...
 

Faroe

Un-spun
So, why does a bottle of bleach smell like chlorine?
Chlorine smell is sometimes noticeable straight out of the tap.
 
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