SOFT NEWS Does The Internet Make You Dumb? Top German Neuroscientist Says Yes - And Forever

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Does The Internet Make You Dumb? Top German Neuroscientist Says Yes - And Forever Plenty are convinced the Internet is filled with intellectual vitamins - (San Jose Library) By Claudia Ehrenstein
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BERLIN - Dr. Manfred Spitzer knows that people find his arguments provocative. In his first book, he warned parents of the very real dangers of letting their children spend too much time in front of the TV. Now, in a second book called Digitale Demenz [Digital Dementia], he’s telling them that teaching young kids finger-counting games is much better for them than letting them explore on a laptop.

Spitzer, 54, may be a member of the slide-rule generation that learned multiplication tables by heart, but his work as a neuropsychiatrist has shown him that when young children spend too much time using a computer, their brain development suffers and that the deficits are irreversible and cannot be made up for later in life.

South Korean doctors were the first to describe this phenomenon, and dubbed it digital dementia – whence the title of Spitzer’s book. Simplistically, the message can be summed up this way: the Internet makes you dumb. And it is of course a message that outrages all those who feel utterly comfortable in the digital world. In the aftermath of the publication of Spitzer’s book, they have lost no time venting their wrath across Germany.

And yet Spitzer has accumulated a wealth of scientific information that gives his thesis solid underpinnings, and the studies and data he draws on offer more than enough room for consternation.

Everything leaves traces in the brain

According to his study, many young people today use more than one medium at a time: they place calls while playing computer games or writing e-mails. That means that some of them are packing 8.5 hours of media use per day into 6.5 hours. Multitasking like this comes at the cost of concentration – experiments by American researchers have established this. And to Spitzer, those results mean just one thing: "Multitasking is not something we should be encouraging in future generations."

Because everything a person does leaves traces in the brain. When development is optimum, memory links are formed and built on during the first months and years of life, and the structure adds up to a kind of basic foundation for everything else we learn. Scientists call this ability of the brain to adjust to new challenges “neuroplasticity.” It is one of the reasons for the evolutionary success of the human species. Spitzer also sees it as a source of present danger.

When drivers depend exclusively on their navigation technology, they do not develop the ability to orient themselves, although of course the brain offers them the possibility of learning how to do so. The same applies to children who use electronic styluses on a SMART board instead of learning how to write -- the brain is kept in check. And because computers take over many classrooms and other functions that are actually good practice for kids, "it inevitably has a negative effect on learning," Spitzer argues.

Digital media should be banned from classrooms

Stating that there have so far been no independent studies "that unequivocally establish that computers and screens in the classroom makes learning any more effective," Spitzer goes so far as to recommend that digital media be banned from the classroom. Even more drastically, he writes: "In reality, using digital media in kindergarten or primary school is actually a way of getting children addicted." Strong stuff for the generations who take computers and the Internet for granted, using them as a source of information and a space to communicate via social networks -- and who enjoy doing so. The Internet has become the fourth cultural technology, alongside reading, writing and arithmetic.

Spitzer quotes Swiss pedagogue and educational reformer Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi (1746-1827), who wrote that the process of learning involves the heart along with the brain and the hands. He believes it would be better if kids learned finger games to help them deal with numbers, instead of relying on computers. In a country like Germany, whose major resource is smart people and innovative ideas, maybe we should be taking Spitzer’s warnings more seriously.



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Something tells me the internet is just a temporary phenomenon anyway.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This must have been talked about on TV. I have a friend who has never had a computer and is always saying, 'I suppose you got that off the computer'. Well he called last week telling me that scientists have proven computers make people dumb!

Yes, I can see the point in school. Allow the kids to get a good basic education in elementary before introducing them to the computer and perhaps their math skills will improve. I've never seen a generation like this one who can't even make change.
 

Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
Does The Internet Make You Dumb?

No. It is amazing how much you can learn from information from the internet. Anything you want to know is probably in the internet. Right now i strongly think / feel that i want to detox the body. So i came across this: 10 Foods that Detoxify Your Body, Without Fasting http://www.organicauthority.com/health/skip-the-juice-diet-10-natural-food-detox.html

I want to strive to eat as healthy as i can. But i also want to go several days with out eating and only drink a lot of water.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Does The Internet Make You Dumb?

No. It is amazing how much you can learn from information from the internet. Anything you want to know is probably in the internet. Right now i strongly think / feel that i want to detox the body. So i came across this: 10 Foods that Detoxify Your Body, Without Fasting http://www.organicauthority.com/health/skip-the-juice-diet-10-natural-food-detox.html

I want to strive to eat as healthy as i can. But i also want to go several days with out eating and only drink a lot of water.

Too much water can be toxic and do major harm to your internal organs and brain.

K-
 

DennisRGH

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Does The Internet Make You Dumb?

No. It is amazing how much you can learn from information from the internet. Anything you want to know is probably in the internet. Right now i strongly think / feel that i want to detox the body. So i came across this: 10 Foods that Detoxify Your Body, Without Fasting http://www.organicauthority.com/health/skip-the-juice-diet-10-natural-food-detox.html

I want to strive to eat as healthy as i can. But i also want to go several days with out eating and only drink a lot of water.

What on earth are you talking about??????

Your post is completely irrelevant to the OP.

The OP is talking about children being raised on computers and the subsequent lack of brain development.

You obviously didn't bother to read it. The OP IS right. :lol:
 

cuz1961

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wow
wish i had known that when i was taking 2 college courses on
computers , with a computer , working my assignments on a computer,

, maybe that's why i got an A and not an A+ ?
Cuz the computer made me dumber.

Geeez , hope books dont make you dumber too.

Who would have thought that learning could make you dumber?

Good thing we have these shrinks around , eh ?
 

PghPanther

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I would challlenge that scientists statement.............the Internet is very much like an electronic library accessible in your place of residence..........and like real library the key to learning is picking the right selections............

Many of the science, economic and history videos posted on youtube alone are worth the price of Internet service
 

puzzler

Contributing Member
I honestly was thinking the same thing as the OP about spelling, grammar and interpersonal skills lacking due to computer use when I read the following today:


Hard Unemployment Truths About 'Soft' Skills (many applicants fail drug tests, lack work ethic)Wall Street Journal | Nick Schulz


At a recent dinner in Washington, D.C., with representatives from major American manufacturing companies, I listened as the talk turned to how hard it is to find qualified applicants for jobs.

"What exactly are the skills you can't find?" I asked, imagining that openings for high-tech positions went begging because, as we hear so often, the training of the U.S. workforce doesn't match up well with current corporate needs.

One of the representatives looked sheepishly around the room and responded: "To be perfectly honest . . . we have a hard time finding people who can pass the drug test." Several other reps gave a knowing nod. Applicants were often so underqualified, they said, that simply finding someone who could properly answer the telephone was sometimes a challenge.

...

But considerable evidence suggests that many employers would be happy just to find job applicants who have the sort of "soft" skills that used to be almost taken for granted. In the Manpower Group's 2012 Talent Shortage Survey, nearly 20% of employers cited a lack of soft skills as a key reason they couldn't hire needed employees. "Interpersonal skills and enthusiasm/motivation" were among the most commonly identified soft skills that employers found lacking.

Employers also mention a lack of elementary command of the English language. A survey in April of human-resources professionals conducted by the Society for Human Resource Management and the AARP compared the skills gap between older workers who were nearing retirement and younger workers coming into the labor pool. More than half of the organizations surveyed reported that simple grammar and spelling were the top "basic" skills among older workers that are not readily present among younger workers.

The SHRM/AARP survey also found that "professionalism" or "work ethic" is the top "applied" skill that younger workers lack.

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more at online.wsj.com ...

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and sorry, digital spell checking and grammar corrections don't work if basic skills are lacking in the first place (think - difference between there, their, and they're). Obtaining information via the internet and learning critical thinking skills are totally different. The OP author is right on the money.
 

Desert Painter

Contributing Member
I agree that it's not a wise thing to hijack young developing brains with digital media. However for the "slide rule" generation, it has actually been a boon.

I've been a speed reader since my 'teens, and now I have the largest library in the world at my finger tips.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Gonna have a tough time convincing me that the way a brain is exposed to stimuli does not affect the way the brain operates. There were some learned articles years ago speculating as to whether the invention of the printing press had had an affect on how people think. And the consensus was that it did.

The digital era most certainly will have an effect. The German says it is bad. We do have one clue. I think there is a WSJ article floating around here about business complaining that they can't find anybody who has the capability of answering a telephone.
 

China Connection

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Well computers are terrible for education as they provide material that lets students cheat all the time. Kids these days try to use their own minds as little as possible. So what with schools that allow lazy students to vote against teachers that try to get them to use their minds and computers we are getting dumber and dumber youth. So much for the brave new world.
 

cuz1961

Membership Revoked
ok then.

due to my shortcomings,,, i am divorced.

My son, scott, learned the computer on his own, with out my influence , starting at a VERY young age,and by the time he was 12 he was typing 150 w.p.m..

i washed out of C.G . Coast Guard radioman school cuz i couldn't break the
40 w.p.m. threshold. Given , i was using a SINGER typewriter made in the 1920's
'forget about us' instead of simper paratus " but still, i washed out,,, my son
didnt.

So if he was 'disabled' due to his computer learning,,, why did he go on to get a degree without 'student loans" ?
Why does he have a job, a house, a BAND, and security ?

AND NO STUDENT LOAN DEBT. !!!!


is he stupid cuz he spent so much time on a computer cuz his mom couldnt
be bothered with raising him? Cus he spent all his time on a computer ?

I call B.S. on the whole article and psych mubo jumbo.

Read ANYTHING by the author of freud, jung , or kenniston, and see what
freaks they actually were .

I stand by my original assessment

This article is 100@ b.s.

Y.M.M.V.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Does The Internet Make You Dumb? Top German Neuroscientist Says Yes - And Forever Plenty are convinced the Internet is filled with intellectual vitamins - (San Jose Library) By Claudia Ehrenstein
DIE WELT/Worldcrunch

He's right and he's not the first to say this. Nicholas Carr has been publishing about this for a while. He has a fascinating book about it which you can find at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Shallows-What...750/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345494655


Here are some links to some articles he wrote about his theories:

2008:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/is-google-making-us-stupid/306868/
Is Google Making Us Stupid?
What the Internet is doing to our brains

2010:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704025304575284981644790098.html
Does the Internet Make You Dumber?
The cognitive effects are measurable: We're turning into shallow thinkers, says Nicholas Carr.

2010:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/05/ff_nicholas_carr/
Author Nicholas Carr: The Web Shatters Focus, Rewires Brains
 

cuz1961

Membership Revoked
wow
my son must have had a 'force field ' around his brain !
thank you Jesus.

but hey,,, an article is proof, my son isnt .
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
ok then.

due to my shortcomings,,, i am divorced.

My son, scott, learned the computer on his own, with out my influence , starting at a VERY young age,and by the time he was 12 he was typing 150 w.p.m..

i washed out of C.G . Coast Guard radioman school cuz i couldn't break the
40 w.p.m. threshold. Given , i was using a SINGER typewriter made in the 1920's
'forget about us' instead of simper paratus " but still, i washed out,,, my son
didnt.

So if he was 'disabled' due to his computer learning,,, why did he go on to get a degree without 'student loans" ?
Why does he have a job, a house, a BAND, and security ?

AND NO STUDENT LOAN DEBT. !!!!


is he stupid cuz he spent so much time on a computer cuz his mom couldnt
be bothered with raising him? Cus he spent all his time on a computer ?

I call B.S. on the whole article and psych mubo jumbo.

Read ANYTHING by the author of freud, jung , or kenniston, and see what
freaks they actually were .

I stand by my original assessment

This article is 100@ b.s.

Y.M.M.V.

Well, we got one. Is there another? If so, totally disproves the German.
 
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