LEGAL Does anyone know what is REALLY happening in Trump NY trial?

Charmer153

Charmer153

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Please do not tell me to look it up on YouTube, that is why I am confused.
I have seen some videos saying that Trump is winning, and others saying that he is sitting alone in the court room, because his lawyers 'abandoned a hopeless case'.
Some videos saying the Supreme Court is debating if he has Presidential immunity and will not rule until June, while others say the the court has already decided he does not.
Some videos show his saying that he is can not leave NY, while others show him talking about going to Florida for his wife birthday last week.
Saw a report saying Rikers Island prison has been ordered to 'prepare a cell for Trump' before the trial is over, if it even started yet.

There are probably a lot more conflicting reports, but these are the 3 I have seen, and confuse me.
so I'm asking, does anyone know WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING?
 
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WalknTrot

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There is no "winning" for Trump. It's a fruitless exercise for the defense with a NYC jury, and a massive waste of Trump's time, which was the point all along. Haha..his lawyers are still there.

The Supremes won't rule until June or July. By then, this NYC shitshow will be long over, and the appeals filed. On appeal, it's 99.9999% likely the whole thing will be tossed, even without the Supreme Court's help.

Far as I know, he can travel, as long as court isn't in session. He just has to have butt in seat during the actual sessions - which to me seems highly un-Constitutional, but his lawyers probably didn't want to spend the time/effort to take it up the ladder.
 
CaryC

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Johnathan Turley-law professor is saying Braggs is getting his rear handed to him in a bushel basket.

The editor of National Enquirer testified that he took money from other national figures to not print an article. Approached Trump for the same reason, but Trump didn't bite. And he was a witness for the prosecution.

brietbart.com more than almost any others are carrying these articles.

BUT and that is a huge BUT, it will depend on the Judge and the Jury, which is progressive left leaning and not on evidence presented. If the jury wants him in jail, jail it will be. It's not called Lawfare for nothing.

Below is a link to one at zerohedge:

Alvin Bragg Has His Trump Trial, All He Needs Now Is A Crime | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com

No one knows about the SCOTUS but the suspicion is it will be returned to the lower court for review.
 
et2

et2

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Charmer153 said:
Please do not tell me to look it up on YouTube, that is why I am confused.
I have seen some videos saying that Trump is winning, and others saying that he is sitting alone in the court room, because his lawyers 'abandoned a hopeless case'.
Some videos saying the Supreme Court is debating if he has Presidential immunity and will not rule until June, while others say the the court has already decided he does not.
Some videos show his saying that he is can not leave NY, while others show him talking about going to Florida for his wife birthday last week.
Saw a report saying Rikers Island prison has been ordered to 'prepare a cell for Trump' before the trial is over, if it even started yet.

There are probably a lot more conflicting reports, but these are the 3 I have seen, and confuse me.
so I'm asking, does anyone know WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING?
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You must go to the Q thread. He’s winning there all the time. The White Hats got this :shr:
 
CaryC

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psychgirl said:
You’re not the only one because I’m confused too
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Part of the confusion is due to who is doing the reporting.

Those that are MSM Trump is going to die in jail.

Those sites that are pro Trump never see a day in jail and gas will go back to 0.75 a gallon.

I personally like Turley. He's not so much Pro-Trump or Anti-Trump but is just looking at the law. And even as the law may mean or say one thing, it is only for those who follow the law. And it is obvious that Braggs is not. And I would say neither is the judge because this case should have been tossed before it started. The hush money trial is beyond the date of expiration. And both know that.

You also may want to bookmark:

bonginoreport.com

Welcome

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bonginoreport.com bonginoreport.com

Which carries a bunch of news articles, just headlines and links.

Here is one:

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Trump trial: Key players in the New York hush money trial - Washington Examiner

Trump is heading into week three of his hush money trial in New York, and prosecutors have begun calling on a cast of characters from Trump's past as witnesses.
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com
 
jward

jward

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I would NEVER suggest anyone look anything up on you tube :eek:

..in fact, I advocate a "just say no to internet gurus" policy and instead urge people to find the serious most informed voices in various fields of interests, so when something comes up, they can rely on their own knowledge.

I say this not because I hate relying on others to shape my thinking, though I do- but I say it because they've every intention of reinstating their office of disinformation again, and very soon only state sponsored and state approved information will be available to us- and we'll need to be able to cut thru their lies and psychological manipulations by relying on our own knowledge, and our own discernment.
 
Knoxville's Joker

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jward said:
I would NEVER suggest anyone look anything up on you tube :eek:

..in fact, I advocate a "just say no to internet gurus" policy and instead urge people to find the serious most informed voices in various fields of interests, so when something comes up, they can rely on their own knowledge.

I say this not because I hate relying on others to shape my thinking, though I do- but I say it because they've every intention of reinstating their office of disinformation again, and very soon only state sponsored and state approved information will be available to us- and we'll need to be able to cut thru their lies and psychological manipulations by relying on our own knowledge, and our own discernment.
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Or just look at the court filings, reference the applicable criminal codes and court rules. That would give you a good idea of how it is supposed to go...
 
jward

jward

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that would work once upon a time- but in 2024, the year o' our clown world, I find knowing the law and legal precedents really don't seem to matter- they're as likely to be enforced as written, as not :: shrug ::
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

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It's called "an exercise structured to prevent Trump from campaigning."

It has nothing to do with finding his guilt or innocence - or even establishing a truthful set of facts to judge him upon.

The longer it keeps Trump tied up - the Democrats view as better for them. Democrats still hang their tack on the "voters will tire of this, and vote for Biden" hook.

Which (of course) will never happen.

Dobbin
 
Knoxville's Joker

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Dobbin said:
It's called "an exercise structured to prevent Trump from campaigning."

It has nothing to do with finding his guilt or innocence - or even establishing a truthful set of facts to judge him upon.

The longer it keeps Trump tied up - the Democrats view as better for them. Democrats still hang their tack on the "voters will tire of this, and vote for Biden" hook.

Which (of course) will never happen.

Dobbin
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In fact it is more like Trump is using it as a campaign platform and it backfires spectacularly.

Plus this may make him look at judicial reforms that disenfranchise some folks as a result.
 
Uhhmmm...

Uhhmmm...

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Ractivist

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Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
No matter the games they play, they will be revealed in due time...of God's choosing....Revelations and all. Aint it grand.
 
The Hammer

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bassgirl said:
You are not going to get the real story until it’s done and public. Disinformation will run rampant until the election is decided. There is no news anymore.
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This, especially the last sentence, and especially where Trump is concerned. Everything is either 100% pro-Trump or (by a much wider margin) 100% anti-Trump, and they are trying to get you to think a certain way. Not as much in the middle - just a calm, measured, no skin in the game, these are the objective facts type of coverage.

And I do think that kind of coverage could also be honest if it led to the conclusion that it's a political vendetta, and also that Trump could even lose any of these flimsy cases simply because the system is that corrupt. Because both are a reality right now.
 
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bassgirl

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The Hammer said:
This, especially the last sentence, and especially where Trump is concerned. Everything is either 100% pro-Trump or (by a much wider margin) 100% anti-Trump, and they are trying to get you to think a certain way. Not as much in the middle - just a calm, measured, no skin in the game, these are the objective facts type of coverage.

And I do think that kind of coverage could also be honest if it led to the conclusion that it's a political vendetta, and also that Trump could even lose any of these flimsy cases simply because the system is that corrupt. Because both are a reality right now.
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And you know what the weird thing is...even if it is true, and it may be, in the big scheme of how males operate in the elite's world, has he really done anything different or actually against the law? If the answer is yes, then they are all guilty. It's not something I would want to be know for, but it's not illegal either. There is a slush fund in congress for all their sexual endeavors. At least it's not against the law that I am aware of. Now paying someone for sex is illegal in most states. Paying to be quiet as in a non disclosure agreement happens all the time in the business world.

To me it is a vendetta x 2. For one they want to take him down politically. 2. they want SOMETHING on him because he has a lead a boringly clean life compared to everyone else.

How many of those higher up shave paid someone off to keep their mouths shut? How many people in NYC and Chicago have to deal with Mafia (oops I man labor unions) to get a contract to build anything and operate a business? Pretty much anyone who wants to do anything in those cities.

The hypocrisy of it all is rather stunning.
 
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night driver

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Yeah, and "Sammy The Bull" Graziano has been WIDELY quoted that Trump NEVER geeked for mafia demands.

The comment was that DJJT was a "Tough customer" who was WAY too clean.
 
Uhhmmm...

Uhhmmm...

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The Hammer said:
I saw something also about threats of jail if he does it again.

That would backfire as bigly as the mug shot...
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Wait... If another defendant berated the witnesses, the Jury, the prosecutor, the prosecutor's staff, and the judge's family, then the defendant would have already been the jailed. Surely no one wishes Mr. Trump to be treated any differently?
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

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Uhhmmm... said:
Wait... If another defendant berated the witnesses, the Jury, the prosecutor, the prosecutor's staff, and the judge's family, then the defendant would have already been the jailed. Surely no one wishes Mr. Trump to be treated any differently?
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And - there is the matter of Trump's "platform." Being the notable figure he has become (maybe making himself a bit too strongly worded) the Judge COULD take that into account.

The Judge likely has been warned about Trumps tendency to "take things incendiary" and while he has to occupy Trump and prevent his actual public appearances when possible - Judge doesn't want to give Trump the "bloody shirt" to wave around either.

Both actors are "feeling out" their parts in this public display.

Trump will likely spend a night in Jail before he is done - but the Judge might also get "slapped down" before or after.

One imagines a "tit for tat" has already been negotiated - a closing legal "swan song" for this trial.

"You do a night in jail (appease our base) and we'll slap a misconduct on the Judge and force his review (appease your base.)

Either won't play well for the State in a Trump appeal - but guilt or innocence is NOT the point of this trial. Simply keeping Trump off the stump is what they REALLY want.

Edit: Ha, ha, horselaugh. Horse calls it. From Revolver.news.

thepostmillennial.com

BREAKING: Trump found in contempt of court for 9 gag order violations, threatened with incarceration by judge

The prosecution alleged that Trump was in violation of the imposed gag order after he made social media posts.
thepostmillennial.com thepostmillennial.com

President Donald Trump was found in contempt of court on Tuesday morning after Judge Juan Merchan determined that he was in violation of the imposed gag order. Those alleged violations were in the form of social media posts.
Trump is prohibited, under Merchan's order, of "making or directing others to make public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning their potential participation in the investigation or in this criminal proceeding," and from making "public statements about any prospective juror or any juror."
CNN's Kaitlan Collins reported that "The judge has found Donald Trump in contempt for nine violations of the gag order, fining him $1,000 each. There’s another hearing on four more allegations of violations this Thursday."
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Not a night in jail. Simply lunch tab for Trump.

So far... We'll see more Thursday.

Dobbin
 
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The Hammer

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JUST IN: Judge Juan Merchan just announced that Donald Trump may attend his son’s graduation ceremony on May 17th. The Judge had said at the beginning of the trial that he would decide at a later date.

“I don’t think the May 17 date is not a problem, so Mr. Trump can attend that date, attend his son’s graduation," said Merchan.

Do you think the democrats are realizing that keeping Trump from his son’s graduation will only increase his poll numbers, or do you think they’re actually being good people?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785306719624560704
View: https://twitter.com/TM1Politics/status/1785306719624560704?t=74AYtnU7hZNQnAl7Zo9F3A&s=19
 
vector7

vector7

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CaryC said:
It's not called Lawfare for nothing.
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Flashback:
vector7 said:
President Trump’s attorney (Christina Bobb) speaks on the Biden administration and democrats criminalizing political opposition. “I’m not particularly impressed with the indictment. I don’t think it will stand up. I don’t think President Trump is going to be found guilty of anything”
RT 1min
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686764448990851072
View: https://twitter.com/4Mischief/status/1686764448990851072?s=20
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This is not America. Christina Bobb facing the rest of her life (50yrs) now in prison.

The democrats are just trying to scare the republicans so they will have nothing to do with Trump.

The DOJ is not a Mafia but a Squad!

This is similar to what they do to dissidents in communist countries
RT 1min
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785167151080571027
View: https://twitter.com/FreedomRings87/status/1785167151080571027
 
Charmer153

Charmer153

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Cacheman said:
Now the judge is threatening jail time if DJT continues to violate the gag order.

Do it President Trump, do it soon!
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I saw a video about Trump being threatened with arrest. One of the comments said that if they did arrest Trump, he would be the last inmate to be put in that jail building, because 10,000 angry Americans would swarm NYC, and that jail building would be torn down. (Trump would probably buy the brick piles, and sell them as 'The jail that couldn't hold him')
I know he does not speak for everyone, and probably would not be able to get 10,000 people there very quick, but I think Trump being locked up like that would be another spark, and the fuse is shorter then it was 6 months ago.
One of the things I have heard, from several different conservative over the past 20+ years, is the idea that when the left pushes the right to violence, after that the left will no longer exist. They may have said it in different words, but they all mean the same thing.
 
vector7

vector7

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BREAKING: Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg's former prosecutor Mark Pomerantz *PLEADS THE FIFTH* during Congressional investigation into Biden collusion with Trump political prosecutions

“Did you knowingly break any laws when investigating President Trump?”

Pomerantz: “I plead the 5th!”

“Did you violate anyone’s constitutional rights while investigating Trump?”

Pomerantz: “I plead the 5th.”
RT 1min
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786052694530039861
View: https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1786052694530039861
 
Uhhmmm...

Uhhmmm...

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Isn't the Pomerantz story almost a year old? I could find nothing more current, but then I am staying on this side of the pay walls.

apnews.com

Former Trump prosecutor mostly mum before Congress on details of hush-money investigation

A Republican lawmaker says the ex-prosecutor who once oversaw Manhattan’s investigation of former President Donald Trump repeatedly declined to substantively answer questions at a closed-door meeting of the House Judiciary Committee. But Mark Pomerantz, the former prosecutor, said Friday he was...
apnews.com apnews.com
 
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