ECON Does Anybody Care National Debt Soon will be $30 TRILLION?

Doomer Doug

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Does Anyone Even Care That The U.S. National Debt Will Soon Cross The 30 Trillion Dollar Mark?
March 3, 2021 by Michael Snyder

The bold below are my thoughts. All Republics, or democracies end when the politicians figure out they can give other people's money to protected classes in order to stay in power. And so the American Republic has fallen into the same trap as ancient Athens and Rome did, bread and circus's style mob bribes.
Once the howling mobs get the sent of endless money, history tells us it is game over. Now that the $1.9 TRILLION Stimulus/Pork bill is nearing passage, we will officially hit the $30 Trillion mark. It is ALL borrowed, printer, dumped out of helicopters money. And it will trigger Weimar level inflation. Biden is going to trigger a massive economic disaster, especially when the fiat dollar's global reserve status fails.



I didn’t think that this would happen. A few years ago when the U.S. national debt crossed the 20 trillion dollar mark, I didn’t think that it would ever get to 30 trillion. But at this moment the U.S. national debt is around 28 trillion dollars, and our politicians in Washington are about to pass a 1.9 trillion dollar “relief bill”. We are going to have to borrow every single dollar that we spend in that bill, and that will be on top of all of the “normal” borrowing that we are already doing. So by the end of 2021, the U.S. national debt will cross the 30 trillion dollar mark. I am sitting here searching for words that will do justice to how foolish this is, but I can’t seem to find any. We are literally in the process of committing national financial suicide, but fewer Americans seem to care about budget issues than ever before.
According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. GDP declined to 20.93 trillion dollars in 2020.
So once our national debt crosses the 30 trillion dollar mark, our debt to GDP ratio will be surging toward 150 percent.
That is madness.

But most Americans are greatly in favor of the 1.9 trillion dollar COVID “relief bill” that is currently going through Congress, because it includes more direct “stimulus payments” to the American people.
Of course most of the money in the bill is not going directly to the American people. In fact, one analysis found that direct payments only account for about 35 percent of all money allocated…
About 22% of the total bill comes from the $422 billion set aside for $1,400-per-person stimulus checks. Another 13% ($246 billion) is for extending additional unemployment funding of $400 a week.
And that was before Joe Biden and moderate Democrats in the Senate agreed to dramatically reduce the number of Americans that will qualify for payments
President Joe Biden has agreed to a compromise with moderate Democrats to narrow the income eligibility for the next round of $1,400 stimulus checks that are included in a bill the Senate is expected to take up this week, a Democratic source told CNN Wednesday.
That means 7 million fewer families will receive a partial payment than would have under the House version of the bill, according to an estimate from the Penn Wharton Budget Model. The new proposal will completely cut off those who earn more than $160,000 a year and individuals who earn more than $80,000 a year.
Much of the money in the “relief bill” is actually going to go to “pork projects” that are favored by prominent Democrats. Here are just a few examples
PolitiFact rated “Mostly True” a claim from conservative Stand for America that the bill contains unrelated projects. Examples cited in that fact check included a $1.5 million bridge connecting New York and Canada; a $100 million underground rail project in Silicon Valley; $480 million for Native American language preservation and maintenance; and $50 million in environmental justice grants.
It looks like some of those “pork projects” won’t make it into the final version of the bill that gets signed by Biden, but there will still be billions upon billions of dollars of wasteful spending.
But what does a billion dollars matter anyway, right?
After all, a stack of a billion one dollar bills would only be about a half mile high
If you were to stack $100 bills on top of each other, one million dollars would be around the three feet mark – about the height of a chair or a toddler.
And if you keep stacking the $100 bills, eventually past the peak of the world’s tallest building, going a little over half-a-mile into the air, this would be one billion dollars.
A trillion dollars is another matter.
In order to get to a trillion dollars, you would need a stack of one dollar bills that would go beyond the orbit of the International Space Station
This would have you stacking $100 bills into the stratosphere and past the International Space Station. You would have to stack these bills 631 miles above Earth’s crust. That would equal one trillion dollars. Now imagine 28 stacks of 631 mile-high $100 bills.
That’s America’s debt.
We are trapped in an endless debt spiral that has accelerated greatly over the past couple of years.
The only way to keep the game going is to keep creating, borrowing and spending more money, and in the process we are literally wiping out the bright future that our children and our grandchildren were supposed to have.
Thomas Jefferson tried to warn us about the dangers of a large national debt
I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared…. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt…. We must make our choice between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude…. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and our comforts, in our labors and in our amusements…. If we can prevent the Government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
But even though we were the wealthiest and most prosperous nation on the entire planet, we just couldn’t help ourselves.
We just had to keep spending money that belonged to our children and our grandchildren, and now we have accumulated the greatest mountain of debt in the history of humanity.
Jefferson understood that government debt was a way for one generation to steal money from other generations
“The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
Since Barack Obama first entered the White House, we have been stealing more than 100 million dollars from future generations of Americans every single hour of every single day.
Just think about that.
What we are doing to future generations of Americans is beyond criminal.

Of course if we stay on the path that we are currently on, there won’t be an America at all.
Can someone out there explain to me how this story can possibly end well?
I have been asking versions of that question for years, and nobody has ever risen to the challenge.
That is because it is obvious to everyone that our story is going to end tragically.

In our insatiable greed, we are systematically destroying the United States of America, and we should be utterly ashamed of ourselves.
***Michael’s new book entitled “Lost Prophecies Of The Future Of America” is now available in paperback and for the Kindle on Amazon.***
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The Snack Artist

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No fiat debt from printing has ever been paid back. Ever. I know the Russians were concerned about people hiding rubles in their mattresses. So they just unilaterally issued a "new" ruble allowing only 10k worth of rubles to be able to be converted into "new" rubles. Problem solved! Wiped a lot of people out. Their life savings.
 
No. Doesn't matter any longer. We won't pay it back. When the piper comes they'll play accounting tricks or whatever they can.

In the meantime, stack food, arms, 90% to the ceiling and then stack it some more.

If you're still in the cities at this point......why.

I think you can see the mass capitulation even here, everyone wants their check and now. It's over, everything from here on out is theatre.

I just spent three hours in the garden getting a beds ready, moving perennial flowers (need to attract those bee's and birds) and generally cleaning up.

Don't have any type of garden going and you're not in a wheelchair? Too bad, starvation is going to suck.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Just WHO do we owe the debt to?

Is the USA at risk of being repossessed? And if so WHO?

How in the hell can this amount EVER be repaid? Is it even possible?
 

Doomer Doug

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Mongo, I LOVED THAT MOVIE. :D

I answer, when people ask me why I haven't picked up my AR-15 and started shooting, two things. One, the only effective way to deal with Biden et al is spiritual prayer, the kind that seeks to expose what is going on, and then Ephesians 6 to crush what is going on, and finally, the Roman Catholic exorcism prayer, done over Portland last August.

The other thing is my firm belief Mongo, the Marxist Democrats will spend themselves to death, as in shatter the economy and be unable to do ANYTHING AT ALL since they have no money. I am seeing signs of that already in Portland, as the grand dreams implode on fiscal chaos. There is nothing more pathetic than a liberal who can't spend money because they are broke. :lkick:

The link to the exorcism prayer is here.


Catholic Exorcist Fr. Chad Ripperger Calls on Faithful to Recite Prayer to Bind the Evil Spirits and Satanic Forces Until Election Oddities are Resolved
By Jim Hoft
Published November 9, 2020 at 2:33pm
252 Comments

In His Name and by the power of His Cross and Blood, I ask Jesus to bind any evil spirits, forces and powers of the earth, air, fire, or water, of the netherworld and the satanic forces of nature. By the power of the Holy Spirit and by His authority, I ask Jesus Christ to break any curses, hexes, or spells and send them back to where they came from, if it be His Holy Will.

I beseech Thee Lord Jesus to protect us by pouring Thy Precious Blood on us (my family, etc.), which Thou hast shed for us and I ask Thee to command that any departing spirits leave quietly, without disturbance, and go straight to Thy Cross to dispose of as Thou sees fit.

I ask Thee to bind any demonic interaction, interplay, or communications. I place N. (Person, place or thing) under the protection of the Blood of Jesus Christ which He shed for us.
Amen
 

ShadowMan

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No fiat debt from printing has ever been paid back. Ever. I know the Russians were concerned about people hiding rubles in their mattresses. So they just unilaterally issued a "new" ruble allowing only 10k worth of rubles to be able to be converted into "new" rubles. Problem solved! Wiped a lot of people out. Their life savings.

And that's why BEANS, BULLETS and BANDAIDS in your physical possession are far more valuable than paper money and digital currency. But even that's no guarantee. Remember what the Russians did to the Ukranians when they confiscated all their food and forced them to starve by the thousands. Be prepared to fight for what is yours and make them pay dearly for stealing from you.
 
Difference between Portland (all states/chities) is that they can't print their own money, the CONgress/US can. Print until you're happy I guess.
 

20Gauge

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Just WHO do we owe the debt to?

Is the USA at risk of being repossessed? And if so WHO?

How in the hell can this amount EVER be repaid? Is it even possible?
For a quick answer, the feds are "buying" the bonds with the money they print, so they are in simple terms just printing at this point.

They are no longer even trying to use the excuse we are selling bonds for cash anymore. No one is buying them but the people who "print" the money.
 

The Snack Artist

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For a quick answer, the feds are "buying" the bonds with the money they print, so they are in simple terms just printing at this point.

They are no longer even trying to use the excuse we are selling bonds for cash anymore. No one is buying them but the people who "print" the money.
The Fed's balance sheet is approaching or has surpassed 10 trillion dollars. They are a private banking consortium. Let that sink in.

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Troke

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One more time: Wage and Price controls and rationing. I cannot imagine the Cultural Left missing that opportunity to gain max power. Imagine. They could control the incomes of the doctors!

And with a 20% jump in prices, the people will demand it.
 

Doomer Doug

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Make that a private banking cartel, owned by assorted banks that charge interest on the money they LOAN to the American government. Forget about the deficit, and forget about the Federal Reserve itself, look at the $300 BILLION they get paid in interest payments every year for allowing the American people and government to be F$%^^ over.

and look at the ownership list sometime, especially some of the INDIVIDUALS who own stock in the Federales. Yep, the scam goes on.
 
One more time: Wage and Price controls and rationing. I cannot imagine the Cultural Left missing that opportunity to gain max power. Imagine. They could control the incomes of the doctors!

And with a 20% jump in prices, the people will demand it.

10-289

I think they'd also have to make said doc's unable to quit.

I hate living in a novel. AS was a warning, not an instruction manual. :eek:
 

20Gauge

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One more time: Wage and Price controls and rationing. I cannot imagine the Cultural Left missing that opportunity to gain max power. Imagine. They could control the incomes of the doctors!

And with a 20% jump in prices, the people will demand it.
Price controls are going to be fun!!!

Gas is set at say $3.00 per gallon, but there will be none to buy.
Food will be set at a price, but there will be none to buy.
The process will repeat for everything the government sets the price on.
 

Weps

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Most people have no idea we have a national debt.

It's just like...money man, they can, like, always just print more to pay for it.
 

20Gauge

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Most people have no idea we have a national debt.

It's just like...money man, they can, like, always just print more to pay for it.
I find that people don't even know how much debt they have.
I also find that people don't understand that if they have a 6% tax rate they must take out 6% of their salary or they will owe money to the State.

Yet every single day at least once I have to tell people this.

They give me a confused look and tell me that they have no money..... while making $150K annually
 
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Ya know...... I recall a lot of these conversations when we hit $20T in debt and, basically, we're still doing OK.

So what's different now? One thing I see is less room to grow debt anywhere.
 

Bps1691

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That's just the outstanding DEBT obligation, not the real debt.

This is what the U.S. government had made promises to payout in 2011-->

What's the Real National Debt? $211,000,000,000,000

By 2019 it had risen---->

The Real US National Debt Might Be $230 Trillion

Who the heck knows what it is now and will be by the time the demon-crats finish this round of destruction.
 

raven

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Everyone stopped caring about the debt in 2009,
Mentioning it now is so beyond "a day late and a dollar short"
as to be reddickiculous.
 
That is the current theory, yes. MMT, Modern (or Magical) Monetary Theory.

Which is why we are doomed :D

But that's the 64K Bitcoin question; when are we doomed!!! :D Tomorrow or 20 years from now, won't know until we wake up one day and find out.
 

raven

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most people do not think it will happen in their lifetime
well . . .
guess what . . .
It is happening now. When did a government ever print money and give it to their citizens.

Oh, I see, you think they care about YOU
hahahahahaha
 

Josie

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Most people have no idea we have a national debt.

It's just like...money man, they can, like, always just print more to pay for it.
Most people don't even comprehend what a trillion is. Trillion is the new billion.
 

20Gauge

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Ya know...... I recall a lot of these conversations when we hit $20T in debt and, basically, we're still doing OK.

So what's different now? One thing I see is less room to grow debt anywhere.
There is no real change.

Granted having said that, we are looking at the Feds going crazy printing which is a newer thing.
We are also good to go until enough decide the Dollar is worthless. At that point all bets are off.
 

20Gauge

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most people do not think it will happen in their lifetime
well . . .
guess what . . .
It is happening now. When did a government ever print money and give it to their citizens.

Oh, I see, you think they care about YOU
hahahahahaha
I actually think it will.
 

Doomer Doug

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The foreigners will take down our global reserve status in order to collapse out economy, which in turn will gut our military, so they can do whatever they want. We, will be like a fish flopping on the boat deck while they bang us on the head with a club.

Genocide Genera Austin is going to have trouble paying his savages and monsters when that happens. Which is why they will want to come and loot all of Trump's supporters, cuz, that is where the money will be. They got this all planned out, right down to the rape squads, just like the Muslims in Britain.
 

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The Nightmare of Deficit Spending, Devaluation, and Hyperinflation in Weimar Germany.
This was a time of bizarre parallels: amazing riches coinciding with terrible poverty, mass quantities of money coinciding with a shortage of money, mania and hysteria coinciding with mass depression, frenzied freedom coinciding with the rise of dictatorship. There is no better historical incident to illustrate what inflation does to society: it turns everything upside down. And the circumstances surrounding how it all occurred are eerily similar to our own today.

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Grumphau

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I can't see any way out of this debt problem without a lot of wars and the government, in whatever form it exists, declaring that it is not going to make good.
 
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