FOOD Do you remember chicken being processed in China? Is pork next?

Sasquatch

Veteran Member
First is the old chicken article.
Second is the Smithfield Farms purchase.
Third is the suspected conclusion that I believe is true.


USDA to Allow China to Process Chickens, Ship Back to U.S
By SHAPE magazine | Healthy Living – Tue, Sep 10, 2013 4:15 PM EDT

"Chinese chicken" will soon have a whole new meaning, as the U.S. Department of Agriculture recently gave the green-light to four chicken processing plants in China, allowing chicken raised and slaughtered in the U.S. to be exported to China for processing, and then shipped back to the U.S. and sold on grocery shelves here.

The actual arrangement will take some time to set in, however. "All this means is that we've deemed China's poultry processing equivalent to the process in the United States," says Arianne Perkins, USDA public affairs specialist. Individual companies will still have to be certified, something Perkins says has not happened yet.

While the logistics are hard to imagine-if we can't safely leave chicken out for the length of a family picnic, how can it be shipped halfway around the world and back with no ill effects?-the USDA is doing its best to reassure both chicken farmers and consumers that the process is 100-percent safe.

"The Food Safety and Inspection Service's number-one priority is always food safety," Perkins says. In the official memo, the FSIS says that "all outstanding issues have been resolved"-a pretty big promise considering that in the past year alone China has made news for passing off rat meat as mutton, selling sausages filled with maggots, inexplicably finding thousands of dead pigs floating in the waters of Shanghai, and even having an outbreak of the H7N9 bird flu in live poultry.

"We do have a concern about safety," National Chicken Council senior vice president Bill Roenigk said in a statement. "But we've been assured and reassured by the USDA that they will do 100-percent testing on poultry products from China. We have confidence that the USDA will do that testing and do it in a good and adequate manner."

However, Perkins adds that while there will be increased testing on the chicken before re-entering the U.S., they will not be doing any on-site monitoring or testing in China, a fact that Rep. Rosa De Lauro (D-Conn.) said in a statement is "deeply worrisome" for American consumers. Even worse, a report just this month from the United States Government Accountability Office found that the USDA's domestic poultry inspections have a lot of problems anyhow, as they are in the process of replacing certified-USDA inspectors with those provided by the poultry companies themselves.

In addition to the concerns that this decision could open the door for even more unsafe practices, no country-of-origin labels are required under the new rules, so consumers won't know where their bird is coming from. Plus industry insiders warn that the move is politically motivated by a desire to get China to re-allow lucrative U.S. beef imports and will likely lead to allowing imports of Chinese chickens, a practice that's been banned since bird flu and other food safety concerns first surfaced.

All of this has many recommending to buy local so you know your dinner is safe and 100-percent all-American.

https://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/usda-allow-china-process-chickens-ship-back-u-214500281.html

China's ownership of an iconic American food company
By FRANK J. MADURI, Oct. 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM

NEW YORK, Oct. 25 (UPI) -- The recent acquisition of Smithfield Foods, Inc., by Chinese food producer Shuanghui International has left many Americans feeling concerned about the future of food safety.

These feelings are heightened with the news that tainted dog treats from China have been linked to hundreds of animals dying from a mystery illness.

The purchase of Smithfield was the largest Chinese investment in a U.S. company, with the deal valued at $7 billion, including $4 billion in cash.

Shuanghui will now have access to food science secrets that were proprietary to Smithfield Foods. It can use this technology to directly impact competition with other U.S. food companies.

I spent seven years working in the food technology sector and I can attest that the proprietary technologies held by a respective company provide a strategic advantage over other companies in the industry. The genetics technology held by Smithfield Farms can be used by Shuanghui in China on its pigs, which would dramatically affect the export of U.S. pork to China, potentially decreasing it.

Smithfield officials have maintained that they made this deal to increase the export of U.S. pork to China. The company has been very demonstrative about this operational imperative in order to allay the fears of the American public that Chinese pork would be imported for use in the Smithfield product line.

However, Shuanghui is a huge conglomerate with several subsidiaries and is known throughout the food industry to have very loose management structure. In 2011, a Shuanghui subsidiary was caught putting a banned chemical into pig feed to make the animals leaner. It is this type of blatant sabotage of products and willingness of Chinese companies to cut corners that has U.S. consumers worried that will become the new order of business at Smithfield.

Chinese companies have brought tainted dry wall, pet food and other food products into the United States in recent years. This deal has caused many Americans to question food safety policies especially in companies with foreign ownership.

Many Americans called upon Congress and the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States to block this purchase of Smithfield Foods. Congress admitted that they couldn't block the purchase of a U.S. company by a foreign entity unless it involved computers or national security.

Some members of Congress were so concerned about the Smithfield acquisition that they are discussing in the U.S. Senate whether food security could fall within the national security umbrella. If that dialogue has traction and the law is revised, then the Senate could potentially block future purchases by foreign entities.

The CFIUS reviewed and ultimately approved the transaction of Smithfield to Chinese ownership. Its decision raises the question: Is this the start of a trend where more Chinese companies are going to seek to obtain U.S. companies in the food industry?

That trend of Chinese involvement in the U.S. food industry could have drastic implications on food safety. In my experience with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, I have found that the agency is overrun with responsibilities so it relies on voluntary compliance and not inspections or other methods of enforcing the food safety standards.

The further involvement of Chinese food companies in the U.S. food marketplace also has the American public and the food industry concerned about the integrity of the supply chain. The Chinese reputation for degradation of products and disregard for the regulatory controls in the industry precedes them. The supply chain could very easily be compromised with more Chinese companies being integrated into the U.S. food industry.

Shuanghui maintains that it was interested in obtaining Smithfield Foods to meet increased demand for pork products in China. This increased demand is being driven by their rising middle class coupled with the trend in China to move away from vegetables and rice toward a diet of increased protein consumption.

Furthermore, Shuanghui has stated to the media that it needed to acquire a U.S. company with the technology to help them improve food safety in the pork products marketplace in China. The pork industry in China has had a number of very notable safety issues, including an incident in which dead pigs were dumped into a river near Shanghai.

Food technology and safety protocols used by Smithfield are going to be integral for Shuanghui to expand its capability to meet the rising demand for pork in China.

In the end, this deal could portend a future where China is forced to obtain other food companies in the United States and throughout the Western world because of the poor environmental conditions in China.

These conditions, along with the tremendous demand of an enormous population, will be the impetus for China to seek outside help via the purchase of Western companies. This trend will probably alienate China on the international stage but the Chinese don't have many other constructive pathways to address the issues in food safety that have plagued their country.

The U.S. public has to have a constructive dialogue and determine how we can implement government safeguards to insulate the U.S. food industry from involvement from Chinese investment and ownership in the future.

Brazil and New Zealand have safeguarded their agricultural systems from Chinese intervention and the United States has to consider similar safeguards. Our society and the future generations of Americans depend upon it.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysi...nic-American-food-company/UPI-75821382673840/

CONSIDER THIS VERY IMPORTANT AND AGREE THAT ALL OF US NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT WE ARE EXPOSED TO WITH REGARD TO OUR FOOD.

Smithfield Farms, the largest pork producing farm in the USA was sold in September to China with the unanimous support of its stockholders.

The hogs will still be raised here, but slaughtered and packaged for sale there before being sent back here. This includes labels: of Morrell, Eckrich, Krakus, Cudahy, Premium Hams, Cook’s, Gwaltney. The same is true with chickens under these labels. They can now be shipped there, but when they come back all that needs to be on the label is that they… WERE RAISED IN THE USA. Not that they were processed in China. Our great FDA at work.

The Smithfield-based company’s sale to Shuanghui comes at a time of serious food safety problems in China, some of which have involved Shuanghui, which owns food and logistics enterprises.

The chickens under these labels will all be processed and most sold to fast food restaurants, schools and supermarkets. The China slaughter and processing requirements are, for the most part, unregulated and far inferior to requirements of the U.S.A.

We recently learned that Starkist Tuna is now owned by Korea and is in conflict with the U. S. concerning quality, safety, and records keeping, which Korea refuses to produce.

I read several articles on Google about this, and even one that was defending the eating of tilapia fish said to avoid the fish that came from China. Also, I had just returned home from buying Albertson’s 4-day special of 4 bags of frozen tilapia for the price of one. Sure enough, on the top of the bags it read “farm raised”, and on the bottom, in small print, it said:” China.

Recently, on TV, a Food inspector said he had lived overseas and he had seen the filthy conditions their foods are raised and processed in. It is enough to make you throw-up. Some foreign workers have to wear masks as they work in these places because the food is so rotten and filthy, it makes them want to throw up.

china picsMany of their fish on Fish Farms are fed raw sewage daily. He said he has seen so much filth throughout their food growing and processing that he would “never” eat any of it. & Canada for YOU to consume and feed to YOUR families. They have no Food & Safety Inspectors. They ship it to you to buy and poison your families and friends.

Imported food we eat is junk :

Green Giant frozen vegetables are from China, and so are most of Europe’s Best. Arctic Gardens are Okay. So is Birdseye.

Never buy the grocery store garlic unless it is clearly marked from USA or Canada, the other stuff is grown in people’s… dung (even worse than chicken poop). China is the largest producer of garlic in the world; U. S. is next.

Buy only local honey, much honey is shipped in huge containers from China and packaged here.

Cold-FX is grown and packed in China and is full of fecal bacteria. Doesn’t work anyway; it is a big scam.

If the country of origin on a product is not clearly marked “beware.” If the product is produce, ask an employee.

Watch out for packages which state “prepared for,” “packed by” or “imported by” or “distributed by.” We advocate mandatory labeling, especially the produce.

The country of origin should be clearly shown on the item in the store.

Go to the local farmers’ markets in season for your produce and keep a wary eye open the rest of the year.

Please read this very carefully, and read to the very bottom. It’s important for all of us.

The above facts indicate how is it possible to ship food from China cheaper than having it produced in the U. S. or Canada.

PLEASE NOTE–THE “OUR FAMILY” BRAND OF MANDARIN ORANGES SAYS RIGHT ON THE CAN ‘FROM CHINA’. SO, FOR A FEW MORE CENTS, BUY THE LIBERTY BRAND. GOLD BRAND OR DOLE ARE FROM CALIFORNIA.

Beware, Costco sells canned peaches and pears in a plastic jar that come from China.

ALL “HIGH LINER” AND MOST OTHER FROZEN FISH PRODUCTS COME FROM CHINA OR INDONESIA. THE PACKAGE MAY SAY “PACIFIC SALMON” ON THE FRONT, BUT LOOK FOR THE SMALL PRINT. MOST OF THESE PRODUCTS COME FROM FISH FARMS IN THE ORIENT WHERE THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS ON WHAT IS FED TO THESE FISH.

Recently The Montreal Gazette had an article by the Canadian Government on how Chinese feed the fish: They suspend chicken wire crates over the fish ponds, and the fish feed on chicken dung

shes not obama 2Hillary Clinton signed a pact with her counterpart in Japan agreeing that the U.S. will continue buying seafood from Japan, despite that food not being tested for radioactive materials.
American and Canadian authorities have virtually stopped monitoring airborne radiation, and are not testing fish for radiation. (Indeed, the EPA did reacted to Fukushima by raising “acceptable” radiation levels.)”

If you search the Internet about what the Chinese feed their fish, you’ll be alarmed; e. g, growth hormones, expired anti-biotic from humans. Never buy any type of fish or shellfish that comes from these countries: Vietnam, China, Philippines.

Check this out personally. Steinfeld’s Pickles are produced in India – just as bad!

Another example is canned mushrooms. No-Name brand comes from Indonesia…

Also check those little fruit cups.They used to be made in Canada, in the Niagara region, until about 2 years ago. They are now packaged in China. Most sold in Aldi stores.


While the Chinese export inferior and even toxic products, dangerous toys, and goods to be sold in North American markets, the media wrings its hands! Yet, 70% of North Americans believe that the trading privileges afforded to the Chinese should be suspended.

Why do we need the government to suspend trading privileges? THIS IS A YOURSELF PROJECT.

Simply look on the bottom of every product you buy, and if it says ‘Made in China’ or ‘PRC’ (and that now includes Hong Kong), simply choose another product or none at all. You will be amazed at how dependent you are on Chinese products, and you will be equally amazed at what you can do without.

THINK ABOUT THIS:

If 200 million North Americans refuse to buy just $20 each of Chinese goods, that’s a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor… fast! The downside? Some Canadian/American businesses will feel a temporary pinch from having foreign stockpiles of inventory.

Just one month of trading losses will hit the Chinese for 8% of their North American exports. Then they will at least have to ask themselves if the benefits of their arrogance and lawlessness are worth it.

http://underheelofliberalism.wordpr...lavorings-on-it-then-they-ship-it-to-the-usa/
 

Sasquatch

Veteran Member
Seems like it would be cost effective.

Chicken from China? Your Seafood is Already Being Processed There
By Nancy Huehnergarth and Bettina Siegel | March 4, 2014

Thanks to our Change.org petition (307,000-plus signatures and rising), millions of Americans have learned that the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is about to allow U.S chickens to be sent to China for processing and then shipped back to the U.S. for human consumption.

This arrangement is particularly alarming given China’s appalling food safety record and the fact that there will be no on-site USDA inspectors in those plants. In addition, American consumers will never know that chicken processed in China is in foods like chicken soup or chicken nuggets because there’s no requirement to label it as such.

One frequent refrain we’ve heard is that no U.S. company will ever ship chicken to China for processing because it doesn’t make economic sense. This was precisely the claim made by Tom Super, spokesman for the National Chicken Council, in a recent Houston Chronicle article about our petition:

“Economically, it doesn’t make much sense,” Super said. “Think about it: A Chinese company would have to purchase frozen chicken in the United States, pay to ship it 7,000 miles, unload it, transport it to a processing plant, unpack it, cut it up, process/cook it, freeze it, repack it, transport it back to a port, then ship it another 7,000 miles. I don’t know how anyone could make a profit doing that.”​

Well, guess what? It clearly does make economic sense because this process is already being used for U.S. seafood. According to the Seattle Times, domestically caught Pacific salmon and Dungeness crab are currently being processed in China and shipped back to the U.S., all because of significant cost savings:

“… fish processors in the Northwest, including Seattle-based Trident Seafoods, are sending part of their catch of Alaskan salmon or Dungeness crab to China to be filleted or de-shelled before returning to U.S. tables.

“There are 36 pin bones in a salmon and the best way to remove them is by hand,” says Charles Bundrant, founder of Trident, which ships about 30 million pounds of its 1.2 billion-pound annual harvest to China for processing. “Something that would cost us $1 per pound labor here, they get it done for 20 cents in China.”

Considerably lower Chinese labor costs are what make the arrangement profitable, even when factoring in round-trip shipping costs over 14,000 miles. Here’s how it works:

The fish are de-headed and gutted on the ship in the Bering Sea, then frozen and sent to China, says Douglas Forsyth, Premier Pacific’s president. Once there, they are boned, skinned and cut into portions of 2 ounces to 6 ounces, he says …

Even factoring in 20 cents a pound in transportation costs, processing in China is still cheaper for the most labor-intensive fish, says Trident’s Bundrant.

So let’s turn back to the question of U.S. chicken.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics indicates that American poultry processors are typically paid a little more than $11 per hour on average. While we could find no analogous statistics for Chinese poultry workers, this recent news account of a fire at a Chinese poultry processing plant quotes a worker as saying he earns 2,000 yuan ($326) per month, or between $1-2 per hour.

So, under the Pacific salmon/Dungeness crab model, it seems perfectly plausible that American poultry suppliers will find it makes good economic sense to ship U.S. chicken all the way to China and back for processing.

But, as we state in our petition (along with co-petitioner Barbara Kowalcyk), good economic sense should never trump valid concerns about food safety. And China’s food safety system, which is decades behind ours, can only be described as horrific, as evidenced by just some of the more recent food safety scandals in that country:

More than 300,000 Chinese children have suffered illness, and several have died, from melamine-tainted milk powder.

Dangerously high levels of mercury have been found in Chinese baby formula.

More than $1 million worth of rat and other small mammal meat has been sold to Chinese consumers as lamb.

Here in our own country, FDA recently warned pet owners not to feed their pets jerky treats from China. Since 2007, approximately 600 dogs and cats in the United States have mysteriously died, and 3,600 have been sickened from eating Chinese pet treats containing chicken or duck.

Now that it’s clear that processing U.S. chicken in China makes sense economically, it’s even more critical that Congress, President Obama, and his administration stop chicken from, or processed in, China from reaching our supermarkets and the meals we feed our schoolchildren by:

(1) Ensuring that Chinese-processed chicken is not included in the National School Lunch Program, School Breakfast Program, Child and Adult Care Food Program and Summer Food Service Program; and

(2) Preventing funds from being used to implement any rule that would allow poultry raised or slaughtered in China to be exported to the United States.

If you haven’t signed and shared our Change.org petition, please take a moment to add your signature. Every name that’s added puts pressure on our legislators to put the health and safety of America’s children ahead of the interests of food manufacturers. Thank you.

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/...our-seafood-is-already-being-processed-there/
 

Green Co.

Administrator
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I remember the chicken article, but didn't worry much about it because of so much local production. Hell, ol' Bo Pilgrims got a chicken barn complex every other mile in these parts, and the processor/butcher is right up the road.

But the pork... seems that since the Chinese bought Smithfield (a well known brand here) pork prices have been steadily climbing. I figured with them sending pork home, coupled with the pig health problems here, pork won't get any cheaper for a long time.
 

Sasquatch

Veteran Member
We have decided to again raise a few pigs. We have been raising our own chickens and process them as well. Although we have not managed to get the sausage taste correct.

I don't see prices on any meat product going down any time soon.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
The 'other' white meat is skyrocketing in price.
Bacon was a $1.50 per 12 oz package LAST year before China bought Smithfield and is now selling at $4.00 per 12 ounce.
(Whatever happened to 16 ounce ONE POUND packaging)

The House of Raeford Turkey processor closed last fall. It was the largest employer for Hoke County for 3 generations.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Isn't this exactly how the colonial powers treated their subject states -- the subject colonies produced the raw materials which were then shipped to the colonial power country for processing into more lucrative finished goods and then sold back to the colonists at nice fat profits???? Wonderful --- just great -- we're being treated as colonial subjects now thanks to the aid of willing "representatives" within our government. They have sold our freedom and our children's futures in order to line their own pockets and hand money out to their political donors and cronies. Our ruling class cares only about being able to maintain their own grip on power and keep the cash cow churning thru their own sticky fingers.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
It is just a matter of cost. Chinese in most locations are still only earning about $200 a months with less than four days off a month. I work in a factory in Australia and make that in ten hours. Freight to China and back is not that expensive.
 

Sasquatch

Veteran Member
It is just a matter of cost. Chinese in most locations are still only earning about $200 a months with less than four days off a month. I work in a factory in Australia and make that in ten hours. Freight to China and back is not that expensive.

And what do we receive in return for China saving money?

Here is what we know about and the Chinese inspector got a date with the executioner.

  1. toothpaste tainted with antifreeze;
  2. contaminated pet food that killed as many as 4,000 American dogs and cats;
  3. lead paint on Thomas the Tank Engine toys;
  4. eggs colored with a carcinogenic industrial dye and frozen fish laden with pesticides.
Now we can worry about chicken and pork... this crap just doesn't stop.
China food & drug czar executed after export woes
BY Helen Kennedy Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Battered by worldwide outrage over exports of poisoned pet food, toxic toothpaste, filthy fish and doctored drugs, China executed a top minister in charge of product safety yesterday.

Zheng Xiaoyu, who was head of China's State Food and Drug Administration from 1997 until last year, was charged with taking $800,000 in bribes to approve tainted and untested products.

Zheng, 63, was sentenced to death in May for dereliction of duty. His swift execution was designed to send a global message.

"The few corrupt officials of the SFDA are the shame of the whole system," agency spokeswoman Yan Jiangying said at a press conference touting new efforts to improve product safety ahead of next year's Beijing Olympics.

China is caught in a PR catastrophe after a series of export scandals: toothpaste tainted with antifreeze; contaminated pet food that killed as many as 4,000 American dogs and cats; lead paint on Thomas the Tank Engine toys; eggs colored with a carcinogenic industrial dye and frozen fish laden with pesticides.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is pushing for an import czar to oversee products coming into the country, called Zheng's execution "a surreal response" to a growing problem.

"If China thinks that its issues with food and product safety are going to be fixed with these types of executions, it shows how much they just don't get it," Schumer (D-N.Y.) said.

The Asian Development Bank estimates 300 million Chinese people are sickened every year by tainted food, a product of China's rapidly growing manufacturing economy and lax consumer protections.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/china-food-drug-czar-executed-export-woes-article-1.268150
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've emailed Foster Farms to see where their chicken is processed. They brag that its farmed here in Oregon and Washington, but their website doesn't say where its processed. I'll report back when I get an answer.

Pinecone
 

Nancy B

Happiness Is A Choice
We have decided to again raise a few pigs. We have been raising our own chickens and process them as well. Although we have not managed to get the sausage taste correct.

I don't see prices on any meat product going down any time soon.

FYI - Don't know if you care for store bought sausage - like from HyVee or not, but at our local HyVee you can purchase (like a small brown paper bag) of Sausage seasoning that they use themselves. I think there is a variety - like sweet, regular and spicy. It is very reasonable.
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
Thanks for the HyVee info. I usually by meat from Fareway as HyVee seems to be really proud of their meat. But I do like their sausage as a nice break from Fareway's. We would like to make some sausage.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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The 'other' white meat is skyrocketing in price.
Bacon was a $1.50 per 12 oz package LAST year before China bought Smithfield and is now selling at $4.00 per 12 ounce.
(Whatever happened to 16 ounce ONE POUND packaging)

The House of Raeford Turkey processor closed last fall. It was the largest employer for Hoke County for 3 generations.

We still have mainly 16oz bacon packaging here in the St. Louis area but unless there is a good sale going on, the price is usually $6 to $9 for the 16oz packages. I have seen some 12oz bacon packaging here as well.
 

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
We quit buying any food product from China or Asia a long time ago. All smoked oysters come from Chinese farms and all the shrimp at the local store comes from Asia. We really like smoked oysters and the shrimp but we haven't bought any in years.

I am trading a tipi liner to a friend of mine for a pig. I know where our meat comes from and I know the people who raise it.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That was fast! I got a response from Foster Farms, copied below. I will continue to use their chicken products.

Thank you for contacting Foster Farms. Our chickens and turkeys are hatched, raised and processed in the U.S. We do not currently, nor plan to raise birds in China or process any products in China.

Sincerely,

Teresa Lenz
Consumer Affairs Manager, Foster Farms
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
We still have mainly 16oz bacon packaging here in the St. Louis area but unless there is a good sale going on, the price is usually $6 to $9 for the 16oz packages. I have seen some 12oz bacon packaging here as well.

If you do the math the canned bacon that Safecastle sells is cheaper per ounce based on pre-cooked weight than the stuff sold in the package (uncooked) in the store is. We've tried it more than once and have started putting a case away here and there because of the rising prices, and the better value. We still buy fresh/uncooked bacon as well but usually the thick cut hardwood smoked stuff that fits our tastes.

RR
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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We still buy fresh/uncooked bacon as well but usually the thick cut hardwood smoked stuff that fits our tastes.

"Normal" sliced bacon is just WAY too thin for us. Have to go the thick cut route.
 

Sasquatch

Veteran Member
FYI - Don't know if you care for store bought sausage - like from HyVee or not, but at our local HyVee you can purchase (like a small brown paper bag) of Sausage seasoning that they use themselves. I think there is a variety - like sweet, regular and spicy. It is very reasonable.

Thank you for that info on the Sausage seasoning, unfortunately we don't have HyVee stores here.
 
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