Fire Did A Comet or Meteorite Swarm Cause the Great Chicago, Peshtigo, And Michigan Fires To Start All On The Same Day? - UPDATE Post #19

Red Baron

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http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040301/comet.html

Did a Comet Trigger The Great Chicago Fire?
By Irene Mona Klotz
Discovery News
March 5, 2004

Perhaps it was not Mrs. O'Leary's cow kicking over a lantern
that sparked the Great Chicago Fire of 1871, which destroyed the
downtown area and claimed 300 lives.

New research lends credence to an alternative explanation: The fire,
along with less-publicized and even more deadly blazes the same night
in upstate Wisconsin and Michigan, was the result of a comet
fragment crashing into Earth's atmosphere.


The comet theory has been around - and most often discarded -
since at least 1883, but Robert Wood, a retired McDonnell Douglas physicist,
said never before has the orbital parameters of the rogue comet been taken into
consideration.

The likely suspect, in Wood's eyes, is a fragment from Biela's Comet,
which had been circling the sun every six years and nine months before a
close encounter with Jupiter caused it to break into two large fragments
in 1845. During its next passage, astronomers noted a 1.5-million mile,
15-day gap between the two pieces.

Wood said his analysis of the fragments' positions during subsequent
orbits shows that Jupiter's gravity again affected their speed and
trajectory, sending the smaller fragment on a path toward Earth that ended
in October 1871. He presented his findings at a conference last week
titled "Planetary Defense: Protecting Earth from Asteroids,"
held in Garden Grove, Calif.

Wood cited eyewitness reports of spontaneous ignitions, lack of smoke and "fire
balloons" falling from the sky
to bolster his theory. If the fire had been
caused by comet debris, which is believed to have consisted of small pieces of
frozen methane, acetylene or other highly combustible chemicals
, it also would
explain the cause of the fires blazing north of Chicago, which wiped out
2,000 people and burned 4 million acres of farm and prairie lands.

The deceased included many who showed no signs of being burned, Wood said.
"This would be consistent with either the absence of oxygen or the presence of
carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide above lethal levels," - a rare -
but not unprecedented - situation in large forest fires.

In all, over a 24-hour period, an area of land the size of Connecticut was burned.
Wood speculates the main body of the comet crashed into Lake Michigan, with
peripheral fragments causing the fires in Chicago, Wisconsin and Michigan.

NASA is among a handful of agencies and organizations working on cataloging
potentially threatening near-Earth asteroids and comets. What would be done
about any threatening asteroids, however, remains the domain of science fiction.

"What's important about these findings," Wood said, "is that they show you
people can actually get killed from something from out of space."
 
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Red Baron

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In the year 1871, on Sunday, the 8th of October, at half past nine o'clock in the evening, events occurred which attracted the attention of the whole world, which caused the death of hundreds of human beings, and the destruction of millions of property, and which involved three different States of the Union in the wildest alarm and terror.

The summer of 1871 had been excessively dry; the moisture seemed to be evaporated out of the air; and on the Sunday above named the atmospheric conditions all through the Northwest were of the most peculiar character. The writer was living at the time in Minnesota, hundreds of miles from the scene of the disasters, and he can never forget the condition of things. There was a parched, combustible, inflammable, furnace-like feeling in the air, that was really alarming. It felt as if there were needed but a match, a spark, to cause a world-wide explosion. It was weird and unnatural. I have never seen nor felt anything like it before or since. Those who experienced it will bear me out in these statements.

At that hour, half past nine o'clock in the evening, at apparently the same moment, at points hundreds of miles apart, in three different States, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois, fires of the most peculiar and devastating kind broke out, so far as we know, by spontaneous combustion.

In Wisconsin, on its eastern borders, in a heavily timbered country, near Lake Michigan, a region embracing four hundred square miles, extending north from Brown County, and containing Peshtigo, Manistee, Holland, and numerous villages on the shores of Green Bay, was swept bare by an absolute whirlwind of flame. There were seven hundred and fifty people killed outright, besides great numbers of the wounded, maimed, and burned, who died afterward. More than three million dollars' worth of property was destroyed [See "History of the Great Conflagration" Sheahan & Upton, Chicago 1871, pp 393, 394, etc.].

It was no ordinary fire. I quote:

"At sundown there was a lull in the wind and comparative stillness. For two hours there were no signs of danger; but at a few minutes after nine o'clock, and by a singular coincidence, precisely the time at which the Chicago fire commenced, the people of the village heard a terrible roar. It was that of a tornado, crushing through the forests. Instantly the heavens were illuminated with a terrible glare. The sky, which had been so dark a moment before, burst into clouds of flame.

A spectator of the terrible scene says the fire did not come upon them gradually from burning trees and other objects to the windward, but the first notice they had of it was a whirlwind of flame in great clouds from above the tops of the trees, which fell upon and entirely enveloped everything. The poor people inhaled it, or the intensely hot air, and fell down dead. This is verified by the appearance of many of the corpses. They were found dead in the roads and open spaces, where there were no visible marks of fire near by, with not a trace of burning upon their bodies or clothing. At the Sugar Bush, which is an extended clearing, in some places four miles in width, corpses were found in the open road, between fences only slightly burned. No mark of fire was upon them; they lay there as if asleep. This phenomenon seems to explain the fact that so many were killed in compact masses. They seemed to have huddled together, in what were evidently regarded at the moment s the safest places, far away from buildings, trees, or other inflammable material, and there to have died together [Ibid 372].

Another spectator says:

"Much has been said of the intense heat of the fires which destroyed Peshtigo, Menekaune, Williamsonville, etc., but all that has been said can give the stranger but a faint conception of the reality. The heat has been compared to that engendered by a flame concentrated on an object by a blow-pipe; but even that would not account for some of the phenomena. For instance, we have in our possession a copper cent taken from the pocket of a dead man in the Peshtigo Sugar Bush, which will illustrate our point. This cent has been partially fused, but still retains its round form, and the inscription upon it is legible. Others, in the same pocket, were partially melted, and yet the clothing and the body of the man were not even singed. We do not know in what way to account for this, unless, as is asserted by some, the tornado and fire were accompanied by electrical phenomena" [Ibid 373].

"It is the universal testimony that the prevailing idea among the people was, that the last day had come. Accustomed as they were to fire, nothing like this had ever been known. They could give no other interpretation to this ominous roar, this bursting of the sky with flame, and this dropping down of fire out of the very heavens, consuming instantly everything it touched.

"No two give a like description of the great tornado as it smote and devoured the village. It seemed as if 'the fiery fiends of hell had been loosened,' says one. 'It came in great sheeted flames from heaven,' says another. 'There was a pitiless rain of fire and *sand*.' 'The atmosphere was all afire.' Some speak of 'great balls of fire unrolling and shooting forth in streams_.' The fire leaped over roofs and trees, and ignited whole streets at once. No one could stand before the blast. It was a race
with death, above, behind, and before them" [Ibid 374].

A civil engineer, doing business in Peshtigo, says:

"The heat increased so rapidly, as things got well afire, that, when about four hundred feet from the bridge and the nearest building, I was obliged to lie down behind a log that was aground in about two feet of water, and by going under water now and then, and holding my head close to the water behind the log, I managed to breathe. There were a dozen others behind the same log. If I had succeeded in crossing the river and gone among the buildings on the other side, probably I should have been lost, as many were."

more,

http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/gfmeteor/fires.htm
 

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Troke

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My grandmother was one of the survivors of the Chicago fire. They spent a couple of days on or underneath a bridge across the river in those parts. My cousin has a melted silver spoon mounted in a frame on her living room wall.

The family saved only a tin box that had their important papers.

Chicago and Peshtigo were the classic 'fire storm' that the US Bomber Command visited on Tokyo and Dresden. A fire storm creates its own climate. And you can die without being burnt. The Japanese can tell us all about it.

That usually takes multiple ignitions. But given the conditions at the time, one ignition here and there would have been good enough some people think.
 

Red Baron

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More information on a fascinating topic.
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42:48

Freak Firestorms & Fall of Phaeton / Hyakutake to Hendaye -Cosmography101-4.3 w/ Randall Carlson '06

View: https://youtu.be/1TCIHM6C7-k


Greatest urban fire began simultaneously with largest and most deadly forest fire in the US
Sudden fires preceded by ample omens
Many residents woke up and started preparing for disaster without knowing why
Quotes from Peshtigo community info pamphlet distributed by the local Chamber of Commerce
Map with “Kiss of Death” around Green Bay, Wisconsin
Great Lakes map with burn scars identified
Meteors don’t always leave craters
“Chicago and the Great Conflagration” accounts describing “Balloons of Fire”
Extent of the event also included smaller blazes across Wisconsin and Michigan
Quotes from “Burning an Empire” re Manistee, Michigan, and other connected fires
Great Hinckley Fire of 1894
Quotes from “Wall of Flames…” re: fury related to atomic bomb destruction
More quotes from “Burning an Empire” re: suddenness of inceptions
Forests scorched to nothing and even consumed down into the roots
Poem by Horace Wilcox
1910 “Big Burn” in Idaho and western Montana
Quotes from “The Big Burn: the Northwest’s Great Forest Fire of 1910”
Some witnesses reported falling stars, and more accounts’ details
 

Delta

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Very interesting. If it was ignited by a space object, I don't see how there would be any peculiar situation/sensation before hand. Unless, of course that premonition was "invented" after the firestorm simply because it had been an unusually hot and dry day following a hot and dry summer. Frankly, I've always though the space object made the most sense, given the simultaneous cluster of fires.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
This isn't a new theory. I've heard this assertion for many, many years.

It surprises me that no scientific evidence has been discovered to prove it.
 

Red Baron

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RC reads detailed and sometimes graphic accounts from witnesses and survivors of the widespread and devastating firestorms that incinerated Chicago and the tiny town of Peshtigo - America's largest urban and forest wildfires - that happened to occur simultaneously on October 8th of 1871. An in-depth recollection from a Reverend Pernon is particularly riveting!

1:41:48

Ep079 Firestorm Intense 1871 Conflagration Chicago/Peshtigo Kosmographia The Randall Carlson Podcast​


View: https://youtu.be/elmDoYvqpV4
 

Red Baron

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At 10:33 the discussion turns to details of the simultaneous fires in Michigan.

Throughout this series it is notable how so many people describe the -sky- being on fire. After so many testimonies, it appears this may more than just hyperbole by shattered survivors. There is a commonality to all of these events, on the same day, and even at almost the same time of day.

1:41:22

Ep080 SURVIVE the Atmosphere on FIRE Great 1871 Firestorms -Kosmographia The Randall Carlson Podcast​

View: https://youtu.be/KuVIiFe_pG8


Chapters:
0:00 Upcoming Events
10:33 Peshtigo FIRE
27:04 Gases? / Maps
34:34 Birch Creek Account
43:18 CBD / Montana Tour
54 :46 Father Time
57:52 Intense quotes
1:11:54 Great Conflagration
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Grandmother Troke was living in Chicago at the time. Spent the fire under a bridge somewhere. Only salvage was the clothes on their backs and a tin box with family papers including her baptismal cert. Which my #1 son has hanging on his wall. They did exquisite calligraphy in those days, it looks like a piece of art.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
A 10:33 the discussion turns to details of the simultaneous fires in Michigan.

Throughout this series it is notable how so many people describe the -sky- being on fire. After so many testimonies, it appears this may more than just hyperbole by shattered survivors. There is a commonality to all of these events, on the same day, and even at almost the same time of day.

1:41:22

Ep080 SURVIVE the Atmosphere on FIRE Great 1871 Firestorms -Kosmographia The Randall Carlson Podcast​

View: https://youtu.be/KuVIiFe_pG8


Chapters:
0:00 Upcoming Events
10:33 Peshtigo FIRE
27:04 Gases? / Maps
34:34 Birch Creek Account
43:18 CBD / Montana Tour
54 :46 Father Time
57:52 Intense quotes
1:11:54 Great Conflagration

Thank you for posting this, I don't have time to watch right now but saved it for later. I really like that these guys are challenging the prevailing thoughts about what really happened!
 

Red Baron

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More information on "fire from the sky" occurrences,
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Summary notes/topics: Ekpyrosis – world destruction thru fire found in dozens of traditions all over the world Quotes from Bible, Mayan Codices, Mahabharata, indigenous Brazilians, Hopi, Norse Accounts as precise in their symbolism as modern science Skip thru more Bible and other quotes.

35:18

Descent of Cosmic Fire / Ekpyrosis Traditions / Peshtigo -Cosmography101-30.3 w/ Randall Carlson​


View: https://youtu.be/NxLLZb96_mU
 
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Red Baron

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Details on the fires in Michigan. Also raging out of control on the same day as Chicago and Peshtigo.
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The Great Fires of 1871 - The summer of 1871 was dreadfully hot and dry in the #Michigan Thumb. Farmers watched their crops wither in the dry heat. In the fall, relief from the drought was no better. Folks began to worry that there were to be some lean winter months ahead. The heat and the lack of rain did not only affect eastern Michigan. The conditions stretched west into #Peshtico #Wisconsin and northern #Illinois including #Chicago. The whole region was a tinderbox for the great fire of 1871.

Runtime 11:04

The 1871 Great Michigan Fire​


View: https://youtu.be/1PWHYj0f--8
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Details on the fires in Michigan. Also raging out of control on the same day as Chicago and Peshtigo.
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The Great Fires of 1871 - The summer of 1871 was dreadfully hot and dry in the #Michigan Thumb. Farmers watched their crops wither in the dry heat. In the fall, relief from the drought was no better. Folks began to worry that there were to be some lean winter months ahead. The heat and the lack of rain did not only affect eastern Michigan. The conditions stretched west into #Peshtico #Wisconsin and northern #Illinois including #Chicago. The whole region was a tinderbox for the great fire of 1871.

If you look a little further north there were also fires in Canada on that day up into the tundra, and apparently also Greenland.
 
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