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rondaben

Veteran Member
I thought the issues with "leaky vaccines" including the increased potential for mutations was acknowledged by both the "vaxers" and the anti-"vaxers". Just curious as you seem to be implying that "leaky vaccines" are not potentially a contributing factor.

It is my understanding that the MMR vaccine is in fact effective in stopping symptomatic infections, polio has been eradicated in the US for 30 years and in South Africa since 2016, and variola major supposedly only exists in a few highly secure facilities. Your response here is comparing apples to oranges.

I've always thought you were misguided, but a straight shooter. I know you're smarter than to make the above comparison unless

1) You don't believe that "leaky vaccines" are an issue. (I thought it was pretty well agreed that they are)

2) You are getting worn down from all the ridiculous hype that's thrown around by both sides and just posted it as a snide comment, even though it's not a valid comparison. (Doesn't seem like your style, snide occasionally but not intentionally false.)

3) You are being intentionally intellectually dishonest (Maybe I read you wrong.)



Still curious about any insight you may be willing to share on the above (from 13 Nov). I noticed you "liked" it so I know you read it, but you never replied.

My response was to post #72. Omicron did not "come from" the vaxxed. I also was addressing the "messing with mother nature"--which is exactly what the other vaccines to organisms I listed--does.

There is a progression of mutation in viruses like coronavirus. The biggest factor is having a reservoir of hosts where it can reproduce. The mutations are a factor of the reproduction rate--more reproductive cycles = more chances at mutation. That is why the variants are typically seen in countries with low rates of vaccination or high rates of susceptible host. India, South Africa have both seen variants. To that end I dont' think "leaky vaccines" are responsible for the creation of new variants.
 

SmokeyBear

"Need to Know"
Since it is Reuters, I will post this.

Omicron cannot escape T cells; boosters protect households from Omicron | Reuters


December 29, 202112:24 PM PSTLast Updated 3 days ago
Future of HealthOmicron cannot escape T cells; boosters protect households from Omicron

By Nancy Lapid




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A nurse prepares to administer the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) vaccine booster at the North Oakland Health Center in Pontiac, Michigan, U.S., December 21, 2021.  REUTERS/Emily Elconin

A nurse prepares to administer the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) vaccine booster at the North Oakland Health Center in Pontiac, Michigan, U.S., December 21, 2021. REUTERS/Emily Elconin
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Dec 29 (Reuters) - The following is a summary of some recent studies on COVID-19. They include research that warrants further study to corroborate the findings and that has yet to be certified by peer review.
Omicron cannot escape body's second-line defense

A key part of the immune system's second-line defense - its T cells - are highly effective at recognizing and attacking the Omicron variant, thereby preventing most infections from progressing to critical illness, a new study shows.
Omicron's mutations help it escape from antibodies, the body's first line of defense against infection. Researchers have speculated that other components of the immune response would still target Omicron, but there has been no proof until now.

In test tube experiments, researchers in South Africa exposed copies of the virus to T cells from volunteers who had received vaccines from Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) or Pfizer(PFE.N)/BioNTech(22UAy.DE) or who had not been vaccinated but had developed their own T cells after infection with an earlier version of the coronavirus.
"Despite Omicron's extensive mutations and reduced susceptibility to neutralizing antibodies, the majority of T cell response, induced by vaccination or natural infection, cross-recognizes the variant," the researchers reported on Tuesday on medRxiv ahead of peer review.

"Well-preserved T cell immunity to Omicron is likely to contribute to protection from severe COVID-19," which supports what South African doctors had initially suspected when most patients with Omicron infections did not become seriously ill, they said.
The "T" stands for thymus, the organ in which the cells' final stage of development occurs.
Boosters reduce risk of Omicron household transmission

The odds that vaccinated people will catch the virus if a household member becomes infected are nearly three to four times higher with Omicron than with Delta, but booster doses reduce that risk, new findings suggest.

Researchers analyzed transmission data collected from nearly 12,000 infected households in Denmark, including 2,225 households with an Omicron infection. Overall, there were 6,397 secondary infections in the week after the first infection in the house. After accounting for other risk factors, the rate of person-to-person spread of the virus to fully vaccinated people was roughly 2.6 times higher in Omicron households than in Delta households, the researchers reported on Monday on medRxiv ahead of peer review. Booster-vaccinated people were nearly 3.7 times more likely to get infected in the Omicron households than in the Delta households, they found.

Looking only at Omicron households, however, booster-vaccinated people were 56% less likely to become infected compared to vaccinated people who had not received a booster. And overall, when booster-vaccinated people were the ones who first brought home the virus, they were less likely than unvaccinated and vaccinated-but-not-boosted people to pass it to others.

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But..but..but.. some TimeBomber did post perhaps on another thread that the Reuters CEO (I believe CEO) is a Pfizer board member. So, if true, then all suspect.
 
But..but..but.. some TimeBomber did post perhaps on another thread that the Reuters CEO (I believe CEO) is a Pfizer board member. So, if true, then all suspect.
That was me. Maybe others as well.
Yea, got a hardon for those bastards.
 

Hi-D

Membership Revoked
But..but..but.. some TimeBomber did post perhaps on another thread that the Reuters CEO (I believe CEO) is a Pfizer board member. So, if true, then all suspect.


And the FOX board was all liberals. OAN funded by AT&T. There is no other side. There are only lawsuits.

"All are suspect". You have to do your own due diligence. The Tyler Durden's? Now, at least David Stockman signs his own name. (Zero Hedge)
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
I dont' think "leaky vaccines" are responsible for the creation of new variants.

Really, I find that difficult to believe considering the following statement you made.

The biggest factor is having a reservoir of hosts where it can reproduce.

IF the "vaccine" is in fact working as currently advertised by the CDC it does not prevent infection or transmission. Further by reducing symptoms it makes those infected less likely to seek treatment to speed the recovery time as well as less likely to self quarantine due to lack of symptoms. That would seem to be creating a larger "reservoir of hosts where it can reproduce." Even the CDC has stated the "vaccine" doesn't prevent the "vaccinated" from becoming a host where it can replicate.

That is why the variants are typically seen in countries with low rates of vaccination or high rates of susceptible host.

The above seems to be correct, although not in the context you intended. Again if we believe the CDC "omicron" is the dominant strain in the US Northeast and Europe both with high "vaccination" rates. Numerous government statistics indicate that "omicron" is at a minimum equally likely to infect the "vaccinated" as the "unvaccinated", some government statistics even show a positive correlation between "vaccinated" and susceptibility to "omicron" infection. So yes I will grant that since both areas have a "high rate of susceptible hosts"

Definitely must have taken some mental gymnastics to both believe the CDC and conclude that "I dont' think "leaky vaccines" are responsible for the creation of new variants"

Couldn't help but notice the continued lack of response to my query from November.

Fool me once shame on you,, fool me twice shame on me.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Really, I find that difficult to believe considering the following statement you made.



IF the "vaccine" is in fact working as currently advertised by the CDC it does not prevent infection or transmission. Further by reducing symptoms it makes those infected less likely to seek treatment to speed the recovery time as well as less likely to self quarantine due to lack of symptoms. That would seem to be creating a larger "reservoir of hosts where it can reproduce." Even the CDC has stated the "vaccine" doesn't prevent the "vaccinated" from becoming a host where it can replicate.



The above seems to be correct, although not in the context you intended. Again if we believe the CDC "omicron" is the dominant strain in the US Northeast and Europe both with high "vaccination" rates. Numerous government statistics indicate that "omicron" is at a minimum equally likely to infect the "vaccinated" as the "unvaccinated", some government statistics even show a positive correlation between "vaccinated" and susceptibility to "omicron" infection. So yes I will grant that since both areas have a "high rate of susceptible hosts"

Definitely must have taken some mental gymnastics to both believe the CDC and conclude that "I dont' think "leaky vaccines" are responsible for the creation of new variants"

Couldn't help but notice the continued lack of response to my query from November.

Fool me once shame on you,, fool me twice shame on me.

The reservoir of susceptible hosts are those without prior immunity or vaccination. That is the primary reason you see variants arise in countries like India and south africa. Throw in poor living conditions, lack of access to medical care are you have a prime reservoir, though the same can happen here and for the same reasons.

With regard to Omicron, I really don't care about infections as much because they tend to be quite mild. That wasn't the case with delta. I'm hopeful it will have a net positive effect in that those who are not vaccinated will get natural immunity and those who were vaccinated will get better immunity.

With regard to CRISPR--sure you could reverse engineer a virus. The genome is public information. There's no real reason to do so if you want to do gain of function research which is basically what you are alluding to. Just get the virus, model the effect you want, modify the RNA and test to see if it works.

Thats most likely where the original virus came from. It could have been natural. I doubt it though.
 
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