CRIME Death of Woman Forced From Florida Hospital

Tuvia Bielski

Contributing Member
This could probably have been avoided if the staff had monitored her SpO2 (oxygen saturation). I presume they did, but since she was given Oxygen, it could have easily masked the problem until she was kicked out.

I expect this kind of the thing to increase now that health care is administered and paid for increasingly by the state. Those in charge who previously were more compassionate are being replaced by those who are more callous.

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Recordings Add Detail in Death of Woman Forced From Florida Hospital

State officials in Florida are investigating the death of a 57-year-old woman who was removed from a hospital by a police officer last month and then spent about 20 minutes on the ground in the parking lot before later being pronounced dead.

The patient, Barbara Dawson, can be heard on audio and seen on video released by lawyers for her family, who accused the Calhoun Liberty Hospital in Blountstown, Fla., of negligence. The recordings, more than two hours long, provide further details to the Blountstown Police Department report published last month.

Ms. Dawson’s death is being investigated by three state agencies, including the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which is reconstructing a timeline and conducting interviews. Investigators will give their findings to the state attorney, who will decide whether any further action, including possible charges, is needed, a spokesman, Steve Arthur, said Thursday.

The Agency for Health Care Administration and the Department of Health are also investigating, the hospital said. “Our primary objective in this situation is to remain transparent and to welcome investigation from authorities,” the hospital’s chief executive, Ruth Attaway, said in a statement.

A lawyer for the family, Darryl Parks, told local reporters that the video showed that Ms. Dawson, who was black, was not given timely care by the hospital in Blountstown, which is about 50 miles from Tallahassee in the Florida Panhandle.

“We have heard that time and time again how everyone was acting with due speed to assist her,” Mr. Parks is quoted saying. “There was not deliberate speed, and who was assessing her at the side of the car was inconsistent.”

Sandi Poreda, a hospital spokeswoman, said privacy concerns prevented her from discussing Ms. Dawson’s initial symptoms, but the police report said she had complained about a pain in her abdomen. Ms. Poreda said Ms. Dawson was given a full range of tests and treatments in the emergency room.

The report showed that just before 5 a.m. on Dec. 21, a police officer, identified as John H. Tadlock Jr., was called to the hospital when Ms. Dawson refused to leave after being discharged.

Ms. Poreda said the police had been called 13 times in 2015 to remove patients, although she declined to discuss hospital policy on when they are summoned. “The only time is if there is a concern for other patients’ care, recovery or safety,” Ms. Poreda said. “There was no indication that the hospital staff’s response was out of the ordinary.”

As Christmas music plays in the background, Officer Tadlock, who is wearing a body microphone, can be heard in the video trying to persuade Ms. Dawson to leave, saying she needs to seek treatment elsewhere if she still feels sick.

He tells her that she faces charges of disorderly conduct and trespassing, the police report said.

“You need to leave my room. You need to just leave. I am really feeling sick here,” Ms. Dawson says on the audio. And then, “I can’t breathe.”


“I am not feeling good,” Ms. Dawson says, sounding out of breath as she pleads with the officer and staff. “I can’t even hardly breathe.” The officer urges her to walk out peacefully.

At one point, Officer Tadlock tried to take off the oxygen hose she was wearing, but she struggled, according to the police report. He then disconnected it from a port in the wall. A female voice, apparently a medical staff member, says on the video, “You have been breathing just fine.”

Eventually, the officer handcuffs Ms. Dawson, who he says was “resisting arrest,” and takes her outside.

“I had to push her from behind to get her to go with me,” the officer wrote in the report. As she neared the police cruiser, Ms. Dawson fell, leading the officer to believe that she “was making herself dead weight in an effort to avoid going to jail.”

Over the next 20 minutes or so, Ms. Dawson is largely silent and unseen in the police dashboard camera video. Glimpses of the officer and medical staff can be seen as they struggle to get Ms. Dawson into the car from where she has fallen just outside the rear door.

At one point, she is told to “stand up now” and that she is making things worse. A nurse takes Ms. Dawson’s vital signs repeatedly, and a woman can be heard saying: “Come on now. There ain’t nothing wrong with you.”

The officer and a woman can be seen trying to pull Ms. Dawson, who weighed 270 pounds, into the back seat.

“You are going to go to jail one way or the other,” a voice says on the recording.

Officer Tadlock then calls for a transport vehicle to take her to jail, saying that her weight makes it impossible for him to take her. When it does not come, a wheelchair is brought out, then a stretcher.

At that point, the report said, the doctor who had discharged her, Stewart Warren, approached. “This is totally different than what she was when I was discharging her,” Dr. Warren said, and ordered her to be readmitted.

“All right, Ms. Dawson you are going to stay at the hospital,” a man says as he urges her to get up and onto the stretcher. “That’s what you wanted.”

As she is wheeled into the hospital, “Silent Night” can be heard playing over the speakers.

Ms. Dawson was pronounced dead at 6:24 a.m., the police report said.

The cause of death was a “pulmonary saddle embolism,” or a blood clot on the branch of the main arteries in her lungs, an investigator with the medical examiner, Whit Majors, said on Thursday.
 
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summerthyme

Administrator
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These stories are tragic, but I don't think you can blame Obamacare for this. The REAL blame needs to be on the constant stream of malingerers and drug seekers, which make pretty well ALL ER staff cynical and suspicious. Unfortunately, a significant portion of a certain demographic (NOT just black people... there are a bunch of poor white "ER mavens" who seem to find it an amusing way to spend a boring weekend night) show up almost weekly with either nebulous symptoms, or utterly fake ones.

And all of them insist their symptoms are real, most say they're dying, and almost all of them suddenly recover when a narcotic prescription is offered.

Unfortunately, when you've seen three dozen fakers in one weekend (not uncommon at city hospitals at all), a real case which doesn't have an obvious diagnosis, or has inconsistent symptoms (very common- women having heart attacks often do not have the "crushing left chest pain" that's classic for men)... well, they can get missed. And since ALL of the three dozen fakers insisted that they were "really sick" and also tried to refuse to leave... I can see how they get jaded.

I suspect the nurse taking vital signs never checked blood ox levels... almost all the blood ox finger monitors I see in the hospital now are plugged into the main monitor, NOT "free standing". It seems likely that a blood ox level would have shown that she was having serious problems.

(you also have to factor in the fact that she was black... simply from a medical standpoint, it's much more difficult to see cyanotic coloring on a person with very dark skin)

Summerthyme
 

cjoi

Veteran Member
Our new healthcare/law enforcement working together in our brave new world order.

RIP Barbara Dawson.

:bwl::bwl::bwl:


As many will condemn her for being overweight and unhealthy, and herself somehow at fault, there are still those who will recognize that this is most likely a severe underlying case of untreated hypothyroid; a very ugly death, indeed.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
These stories are tragic, but I don't think you can blame Obamacare for this. The REAL blame needs to be on the constant stream of malingerers and drug seekers, which make pretty well ALL ER staff cynical and suspicious. Unfortunately, a significant portion of a certain demographic (NOT just black people... there are a bunch of poor white "ER mavens" who seem to find it an amusing way to spend a boring weekend night) show up almost weekly with either nebulous symptoms, or utterly fake ones.

And all of them insist their symptoms are real, most say they're dying, and almost all of them suddenly recover when a narcotic prescription is offered.

Unfortunately, when you've seen three dozen fakers in one weekend (not uncommon at city hospitals at all), a real case which doesn't have an obvious diagnosis, or has inconsistent symptoms (very common- women having heart attacks often do not have the "crushing left chest pain" that's classic for men)... well, they can get missed. And since ALL of the three dozen fakers insisted that they were "really sick" and also tried to refuse to leave... I can see how they get jaded.

I suspect the nurse taking vital signs never checked blood ox levels... almost all the blood ox finger monitors I see in the hospital now are plugged into the main monitor, NOT "free standing". It seems likely that a blood ox level would have shown that she was having serious problems.

(you also have to factor in the fact that she was black... simply from a medical standpoint, it's much more difficult to see cyanotic coloring on a person with very dark skin)

Summerthyme

Yeah, checking the nail bed profusion in that situation isn't going to work well either. Going for the gums or inner cheek on someone who's councious but stressed is going to be more problematic than a battery powered finger blood oxygen sensor.
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yep sad.
O care coming to a neighborhood near you soon.

Yep, this is Very sad.

My dad built and ran which is now a major research hospital in Bellevue, Wa. and he said he'd never throw someone out no matter if they could pay or not back on his watch.

In fact, it was well known that the 'Queen of the Gypsies' loved nothing more than to have her babies at this hospital. Of course she never paid her medical bills but dad said, "It is what it is" and the hospital just made sure than anything not bolted down was removed because it would be stolen by her 'visitors' to put it delicately. Sorry if any of our members or lurkers are Gypsy, no insult intended, it's just how it was back in the 60's and 70's.

As an aside, being that she was black, I have to wonder too if she voted for O and is as most people who voted for him, indirectly responsible for this wonderful O care everyone was orgasmic about having as they helped get him into office?

I had to laugh, the Wa. Healthplanner FB page just put up a pic for their ad for O care and it shows my nephew and his buds were hamming it up. I didn't have the heart to mention in the comment seciton that the reason that young man is sporting a 'hook' for a hand is because that is what you'll get under our new health care plans! Lol! V
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This isn't Obama care, it has gone on quietly in overstretched hospitals for several decades in the US, especially in urban areas but also sometimes in rural ones. It was not at all uncommon when I was doing volunteer work in San Francisco for not-quite-dying-but-almost to be discharged to park benches or in front of homeless shelters. The private hospitals were the worst, but almost all of them did this.

Add to that, is what Summertyme said, combined with many people simply not having real access to basic preventative care; in the UK, Ireland or Sweden you can show up in a doctors office and while you may wait a long time (even longer in the ER) eventually people are seen an evaluated. They have the same problems with difficult patients in the ER as the US does, the difference is they can't throw them out like that unless they are violent; then it can be done.

The result is that people in the US, especially those who are very poor or just kind of screwed up people (like most of the urban homeless population) don't see a doctor for months or years; then present to the ER with weird symptoms and a lot of complaints.

This situation was extremely badly handled because obviously NOT everything was tested for, in Ireland they probably would have stuck her on a "trolly" in the ER and kept her a few days if they could to test for internal problems, at least with an ultra sound.

The problem I think, isn't that the State is paying for health care; the problem for many hospitals is that neither the State nor the patients are paying for health care; hence the need to "get rid" of as many patients as possible.
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This isn't Obama care, it has gone on quietly in overstretched hospitals for several decades in the US, especially in urban areas but also sometimes in rural ones. It was not at all uncommon when I was doing volunteer work in San Francisco for not-quite-dying-but-almost to be discharged to park benches or in front of homeless shelters. The private hospitals were the worst, but almost all of them did this.

Add to that, is what Summertyme said, combined with many people simply not having real access to basic preventative care; in the UK, Ireland or Sweden you can show up in a doctors office and while you may wait a long time (even longer in the ER) eventually people are seen an evaluated. They have the same problems with difficult patients in the ER as the US does, the difference is they can't throw them out like that unless they are violent; then it can be done.

The result is that people in the US, especially those who are very poor or just kind of screwed up people (like most of the urban homeless population) don't see a doctor for months or years; then present to the ER with weird symptoms and a lot of complaints.

This situation was extremely badly handled because obviously NOT everything was tested for, in Ireland they probably would have stuck her on a "trolly" in the ER and kept her a few days if they could to test for internal problems, at least with an ultra sound.

The problem I think, isn't that the State is paying for health care; the problem for many hospitals is that neither the State nor the patients are paying for health care; hence the need to "get rid" of as many patients as possible.

Your right Melodi, I've read too many times where hospitals in the Bay area have been known to dump very ill people off on San Francisco's downtown sidewalks.

Sick and sad. V
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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In this case, she almost certainly was a Medicaid patient ,so lack of payment or insurance approval probably doesn't apply.

And the truth is, NO one can afford to keep every person with nebulous abdominal pain "for a few days" to run a bunch of tests.

Probably the biggest problem in this case is that- if the story is correct, she was complaining of "abdominal pain". They probably did a basic workup for the common problems this brings to mind- typical "female issues", ulcers, diverticulitis, pancreatitis.

The trouble is, none of those tests are likely to show an embolism. And because she wouldn't be displaying typically symptoms of severe abdominal pain (rigid muscles, "guarding", etc), they then default to "either too minor to worry about", or "malingering".

BTDT, with what turned out to be severe adhesions. It took years before a good OB-GYN did laparoscopic surgery (admittedly, he was sure it was endometriosis...I knew it wasn't). He found several loops of large bowel that were ALMOST completely constricted by scar tissue from a previous surgery.

But,yes, I'd been "asked to leave" more than one ER when they couldn't find a simple answer to my pain. It was just fortunate it wasn't something life-threatening.

Summerthyme
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
They hesitate to do this in the UK or Ireland; they will eventually ask people to leave if they have to - but public hospitals are tax payer supported and any such death will be investigated and the results published (unlike the US where they are often hidden and in the case of private care often met with a wall of "settlement agreements" which "can not be discussed.")

As Nightwolf says "NO ONE wants to be the doctor that discharges someone who dies a few hours or days later," he said this to me a couple of days ago talking about another case, not this one.

But over here there would be an inquiry and the results published, it may take awhile but they will be - if the doctor is found to have gone by "accepted practice" guidelines they may not be prosecuted or fired; but it will be known and the hospital will be named and shamed; and even if the case didn't violate absolute medical standards, usually changes in discharge procedures will be ordered in difficult cases.

As I've said before, the reason you hear so many horror stories coming out of the UK is that it is mostly all public and all out there; in the US much of it is hidden away behind court room doors.
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Blountstown is a very small town, and their "hospital" is minimal. They would have probably had to send her over to Tallahassee anyhow to run more tests. Unfortunately, she ran out of time.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I wonder if nursing schools still teach students to "treat the patient, not the test results." I was also taught to believe my patients. :(

I was discharged from one ER at 4:00 a.m. in excruciating pain. I was told I needed to have a gallbladder ultrasound, and their ultrasound tech wouldn't arrive until 5:00, and they needed my bed. They really told me that!

Less than 24 hours later I was in another ER being rapidly admitted for surgery for a hot gallbladder. My surgeon said it "was gangrenous and close to rupture, and he got it out just in time."

With Ocare I'm sure we'll see more of this, as hospitals just can't afford extra staff, nor can they afford to test for everything. In my case, I knew it was my gallbladder. My doc didn't believe me though, and had me on a round of ulcer meds before that first ER visit. My symptoms were classic and severe though, and the hospital couldn't call in the US tech an hour early?

With this lady, a complaint of abdominal pain could have meant anything, and might have required lots of possibly expensive tests - especially if they had suspected a PE. Maybe one more hour of observation, one more nurse, one more set of vital signs, would have caught it in time.

I'm so glad I'm not working anymore (RN).
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I came a whiskers width from such a fate and I have full insurance. They were discharging me from ER and finally I begged "someone "PALPATE MY APPENDIX! They kept insisting it could NOT be my appendix since I did not have a fever or a high white blood cell count and an ultrasound showed nothing. I screamed with rebound tenderness and they finally decided I DID have appendicitis.

Actually, I had an appendix that had turned GANGRENOUS from chronic appendicitis, and the gangrene was spreading. Had I been discharged home I might have died home alone, or might have lost most of my large intestine had I lived after delayed care.

The lady in the OP should have been WEANED off the oxygen that they had put her on, to see if she remained stable WITHOUT oxygen. Wheeling her to the exit, still on oxygen without removing it much earlier to see if she could maintain her blood oxygen saturation rate without it, IS GROSS INCOMPETENCE. Suddenly pulling the oxygen off her as you shove her out the door is grounds for winning a lawsuit.
 

Snyper

Veteran Member
This wasn't her first run-in with this hospital and the police, going back 10 years:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/us/florida-woman-removed-hospital-dies/index.html

(CNN)Barbara Dawson has no intention of leaving her hospital room.

Although the staff at the hospital in the Florida Panhandle town of Blountstown has discharged her, the patient refuses to leave, prompting a call to the police department on December 21.

"No, no, no, no," Dawson implores the responding officer when he begins talking with her. She asks him to leave the room and says she is feeling sick.

In audio captured by his vehicle's dashcam video, the officer calmly responds: "Here's what's going to happen. You can walk out of this hospital peacefully or I can take you out of the hospital." Dawson repeatedly cries out, "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God."

After she is removed and taken outside, Dawson collapses and lies on a parking lot for nearly 20 minutes before she is rushed back into the hospital. She is declared dead about 90 minutes after the officer arrived.

Now there are multiple investigations into her death and her survivors are considering legal action.

The audio, released by lawyers for Dawson's family, provides a gripping account of what happened.

During her raucous moments with the officer in her room, the 57-year-old woman says that she can hardly breathe, an assertion she repeats as the officer prepares to handcuff her.

Dawson asks to be left alone and shouts during the ensuing struggle, "Please don't let me die!"

The arrested woman is taken outside, only to collapse on the parking lot.

Dawson is told by the officer to get up, but she doesn't respond. She remains on the ground for about 18 minutes while the medical staff monitors her vital signs. The officer and staff aren't able to get the heavyset woman into the police vehicle and a call has been made for another vehicle.

A physician approaches the vehicle to check on Dawson.

"This is totally different than what she was when I was discharging her," the doctor says while waiting for a stretcher in order to readmit her.

Barbara Dawson, who was admitted to the hospital for abdominal pain, dies a short time later inside the hospital.

'There wasn't a dry eye'
A medical examiner report indicated she died from a blood clot in her lungs, Calhoun Liberty Hospital said in December. "A pulmonary embolism is often immediate and fatal," the hospital said. "It is difficult to detect and can be impossible to treat."

Attorneys for the family said they are considering a lawsuit against the hospital and Blountstown police.

CNN was unable to obtain comment from Blountstown police on Thursday.

The hospital said on Wednesday that it continues "to grieve the loss of a patient and member of the community." Its CEO said the facility welcomed outside investigations, including by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Asked about the video and audio, family attorney Benjamin Crump said, "There wasn't a dry eye when they listened to the last hour or so of her life."

Asked why the hospital discharged Dawson, Crump said, "We haven't got a reason at all. They haven't said anything, other than she was stabilized and she was discharged, so she had to leave." The police report said that medical staff had said her breathing was fine before she was removed.

The medical facility said it has been asked why Dawson was removed. "While we can't discuss her situation directly, we can say we generally only ask patients to be removed when there is a cause for concern about other patients' care or safety."

The officer's report was published on the website of CNN Tallahassee affiliate WTXL. He said if Dawson wanted more treatment after the discharge, she would have to go to another hospital. "While refusing, Dawson was acting in a manner which was affecting the peace and quiet of other persons in the hospital."

Officer believed Dawson was 'noncompliant'
Crump said Dawson had previously gone to Calhoun Liberty Hospital and once been told to leave when she tried to bring someone else in for treatment.

WTXL said incident reports showed police were called by hospital staff multiple times since 2006 in reference to alleged disturbances involving Dawson.


The dashcam video of December's incident shows very little, except for the effort to load the unresponsive Dawson into the police vehicle.

But it's clear from the audio that the officer believes she just doesn't want to leave. The officer, who later called Dawson "noncompliant," asked staff to keep checking her. And he speaks to Dawson, who doesn't answer.

"Falling down like this, laying down, that's not going to stop you from going to jail," the police officer said. "This is only making things worse on you."

At another point, a woman can be heard saying, "Ms. Dawson, come on now. There ain't nothing wrong with you."

Several times, someone can be heard giving updates on the woman's vital signs and saying she is OK.

Earlier, while Dawson was still in her room, the officer had asked Dawson's aunt to ask the patient to leave. The woman replied she could not force her to do so.

It's not clear whether it was the aunt who makes a plea while Dawson is on the ground.

"Barbara. Barbara. Barbara. Barbara. Barbara."
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
These stories are tragic, but I don't think you can blame Obamacare for this. The REAL blame needs to be on the constant stream of malingerers and drug seekers, which make pretty well ALL ER staff cynical and suspicious. Unfortunately, a significant portion of a certain demographic (NOT just black people... there are a bunch of poor white "ER mavens" who seem to find it an amusing way to spend a boring weekend night) show up almost weekly with either nebulous symptoms, or utterly fake ones.

And all of them insist their symptoms are real, most say they're dying, and almost all of them suddenly recover when a narcotic prescription is offered.

Unfortunately, when you've seen three dozen fakers in one weekend (not uncommon at city hospitals at all), a real case which doesn't have an obvious diagnosis, or has inconsistent symptoms (very common- women having heart attacks often do not have the "crushing left chest pain" that's classic for men)... well, they can get missed. And since ALL of the three dozen fakers insisted that they were "really sick" and also tried to refuse to leave... I can see how they get jaded.

I suspect the nurse taking vital signs never checked blood ox levels... almost all the blood ox finger monitors I see in the hospital now are plugged into the main monitor, NOT "free standing". It seems likely that a blood ox level would have shown that she was having serious problems.

(you also have to factor in the fact that she was black... simply from a medical standpoint, it's much more difficult to see cyanotic coloring on a person with very dark skin)

Summerthyme

Exactly.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
With a saddle embolism, all the O2 in the world would not have helped her - because it was not being delivered into her bloodstream by her lungs. The flow of oxygenated blood was blocked by the embolism. Clotbusting drugs might have helped - had they bothered to actually diagnose and treat her.

Sad, but this is what used to be first world medical care has now become.

Wonder what her family and their lawyers will do with the hospital they now own?
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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We also aren't being told why the hospital asked her to leave, why she needed to seek care at another facility. This is another hanky-stomper, I-am-a-victim-dammit, type article written by the MSM. Guarantee there are other facts NOT being presented in this article. If there was simply no way for such a small hospital to serve her, or if she wasn't cooperating with suggested treatment, then what the heck were those people supposed to do? There is no magic pill folks. Health care workers cannot do miracles, it only looks that way. Let's have a reality check rather than allow the MSM to wind us up so that they can make money off of advertising.
 
We also aren't being told why the hospital asked her to leave, why she needed to seek care at another facility. This is another hanky-stomper, I-am-a-victim-dammit, type article written by the MSM. Guarantee there are other facts NOT being presented in this article. If there was simply no way for such a small hospital to serve her, or if she wasn't cooperating with suggested treatment, then what the heck were those people supposed to do? There is no magic pill folks. Health care workers cannot do miracles, it only looks that way. Let's have a reality check rather than allow the MSM to wind us up so that they can make money off of advertising.


My thoughts exactly.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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One other point.. anytime someone is screaming or yelling that they can't breathe... it's proof positive that they ARE breathing! Granted, this woman's symptoms were likely from being short of oxygen, but you've got no idea how many "can't breathe" cases they see all the time which have *nothing* wrong.

Don't get me wrong- the hospital *really* screwed up. But it sounds like this woman was a "frequent flyer", and so the phrase "cries wolf" comes to mind. Unfortunately, if you show up at the local ER every couple of weeks with a new "problem" that ends up being non-existent, and it's been pretty obvious that you've been looking for attention/drugs/a night out of the weather (not saying this woman was homeless)... the sad truth is, the one time you really DO have a medical issue, you probably aren't going to get the level of care you would have if they hadn't had to kick you out multiple times before.

Summerthyme
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Some truck driving (ambulance) folks I know complain about frequent fliers who will call the 'bolance for a ride to the hospital just to save taxi fare downtown. Yes, the system is THAT abused - and YOU Sam and Susie Taxpayer, foot the bill.

I have no way of knowing if this woman was a frequent flyer or not. Could be she was.

Either way - welcome to the cash crash of first world medicine.
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
We also aren't being told why the hospital asked her to leave, why she needed to seek care at another facility. This is another hanky-stomper, I-am-a-victim-dammit, type article written by the MSM. Guarantee there are other facts NOT being presented in this article. If there was simply no way for such a small hospital to serve her, or if she wasn't cooperating with suggested treatment, then what the heck were those people supposed to do? There is no magic pill folks. Health care workers cannot do miracles, it only looks that way. Let's have a reality check rather than allow the MSM to wind us up so that they can make money off of advertising.

she was being disruptive in the ER, hence the reason she was asked to leave.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
As much money as some of you pay so that other people can be insured, that lady should have had the Queen suite
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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she was being disruptive in the ER, hence the reason she was asked to leave.

"Disruptive" can cover a lot of ground. For one person a single question can be disruptive, for someone else "combative" is also covered by the adjective disruptive. That's why I despise seeing stuff like this tried in the court of public opinion ... facts apparently don't matter, only feelings. And who ever is writing the story is who gets to dictate how people are supposed to feeeeeeelllllllllll. Well I prefer to base my choices on facts and not on other people's opinions and feelings that may or may not be grounded in commonsense and facts. I particularly don't trust the MSM because I have caught them in way too many half-truths and outright lies. Their job is to sell advertising space, not facts.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/n...ahassee-hospital-dies-of-blood-clot/77840234/

Woman removed from Florida hospital died of blood clot

AP 3 p.m. EST December 23, 2015

TALLAHASSEE — A woman who collapsed after police arrested her for refusing to leave a Florida hospital when doctors discharged her died from a blood clot in her lung, officials said Wednesday.

Police say Barbara Dawson, 57, collapsed Monday while being escorted in handcuffs from the Liberty Calhoun Hospital, where she went for treatment for breathing difficulties. She was arrested for disorderly conduct and trespassing when she refused to leave, according to police.

In a statement Wednesday, Blountstown police Chief Mark Mallory said the medical examiner's office in Panama City found that Dawson died from a blood clot due to being excessively overweight.

The autopsy report, police report and dashcam footage of the incident have not been released.

Mallory said the officer who arrested Dawson removed the handcuffs after she collapsed and escorted her back into the hospital.

"We were told by a doctor once she got back in the hospital that her vital signs were good and it was their decision to readmit her," he said in a phone interview. He said the dashcam footage from the officer's car does not show the incident but does pick up the audio.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement officials have been called in to investigate, department spokesman Steve Arthur said. He declined to comment further.

Hospital officials did not return telephone calls from The Associated Press. The Tallahassee Democrat reported that Ruth Attaway, administrator and CEO of the 25-bed hospital, said staff did everything they could for Dawson.

"They did their best trying to save her," Attaway said. "Our staff was very aggressive with her treatment."

While doctors initially thought Dawson was stable and should be released, she felt as if she still had breathing issues and wanted to stay, said Tallahassee attorney Daryl Parks, who is representing Dawson's family.

"The most reasonable thing to do is to let her sit there and be able to settle down until she felt well. Instead, she is forcibly removed and put in cuffs," Parks said. "The early facts of this case should cause a great concern for everyone."

The Calhoun-Liberty County chapter of the NAACP held an emergency meeting Tuesday. Dale R. Landry, who is the regional vice president for the Florida State chapter of the NAACP, met with local leaders and the family.

Landry said he and others are glad state law enforcement officers are getting involved, "but we strongly believe the death was due to negligence by the police department and hospital."

The incident comes amid increased scrutiny of police treatment of blacks in the wake of several high-profile police-involved deaths. Dawson was black, the family's lawyer said. Mallory said the officer who arrested her is a white man and is on his regularly scheduled days off.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
(This article says the hospital staff checked her vitals, including pulse ox, three times.)

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...hile-being-kicked-out-area-hospital/77758316/

Bristol woman dies while being kicked out of area hospital

Sean Rossman and Karl Etters, Democrat staff writer 6:45 p.m. EST December 23, 2015


BLOUNTSTOWN - A Bristol woman died Monday morning after being arrested and forcibly removed by police from the Calhoun Liberty Hospital where she had gone seeking treatment.

Relatives said 57-year-old Barbara Dawson was possibly mistreated by police and by the hospital staff, who they say refused to provide proper medical care.

The Tallahassee law firm Parks and Crump is representing Dawson's family and plans to file a lawsuit against the hospital, the Blountstown Police Department, or both. The local NAACP chapter held an emergency meeting on the matter Tuesday afternoon.

On Sunday evening, Dawson complained of stomach pain and was rushed to the hospital by ambulance.

Blountstown Police Chief Mark Mallory said Dawson was admitted to the hospital about 10:30 p.m. Hours later, she was discharged after being treated and cleared by hospital staff.

Dawson, however, felt she needed to remain at the hospital for continued care and told the medical staff she "still was not feeling well," relatives said. The family said the nursing staff then "banned" her from the hospital.

After Dawson refused to leave the facility, hospital staff called police about 4:45 a.m. Monday.

"She was causing a disturbance in the hospital with her language and the volume of her voice," Mallory said.

The officer was polite to Dawson, Mallory said, and told her she was free to get medical care, but she had to seek treatment elsewhere. She was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct and trespassing, handcuffed and escorted out of the hospital.

Relatives reported Dawson requested hospital staff return her oxygen tank because she was having difficulty breathing. However, they said a nurse told Dawson she was breathing fine and did not need it.

While outside, relatives said Dawson again "pleaded for her oxygen" and told the officer not to take her to jail.

As the officer unlocked the door to his patrol car, Dawson collapsed on the ground. The officer then uncuffed her and summoned medical attention, Mallory said. Hospital staff checked her pulse, oxygen and vital signs three times and told the officer she was fine. However, a doctor readmitted her inside the hospital. Three to four staff members placed Dawson, who Mallory estimates weighs more than 270 pounds, onto a gurney.

As they wheeled her into the hospital, Dawson still had a pulse, Mallory said. But by 6:24 a.m., less than two hours later, she was dead. An autopsy was scheduled for Tuesday and the police department has launched an investigation.

Relatives dispute the police's version of events. Her aunt Angela Donar was at the scene that night. She said a doctor couldn’t detect a pulse from her niece before she was taken into the hospital.

Relatives also said hospital staff did not attempt CPR until Dawson was back inside the hospital. Photos of the scene taken by a family member show Dawson sitting on the ground and leaning against the police car surrounded by hospital staff and the police officer.

Hospital officials said staff members tried to save Dawson.

"They did their best trying to save her,” said Ruth Attaway, administrator and CEO of the 25-bed hospital. “Our staff was very aggressive with her treatment. They did everything they could.”

Attaway said Dawson had visited the hospital many times in the past. It wasn't the first time there was conflict between Dawson and hospital staff, relatives said. The hospital had called the police on her numerous times and once ordered her off the property when she brought a friend in for treatment, Donar said.

“If they bring her some medicine, she wants to know what it is, what it is for. They just get mad at her,” Donar said. “If she don’t think it’s right, she’s going to tell them and they don’t like that.”

Relatives said Dawson had a long history of breathing problems. She had visited Tallahassee hospitals 22 times since 1987 and had been in and out of other Florida hospitals.

Darryl Parks said his firm will start its own investigation. He did not know what type of lawsuit they plan to file. Parks and Crump has represented black families in other high-profile cases such as the shooting deaths of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

Parks said he was “very concerned” about the conduct of hospital staff and the police department. Once law enforcement got involved, he said, medical personnel and the officer did not take proper precautions given Dawson’s medical condition.

“Even the early facts should cause grave concern for her family,” he said, “but also grave concern for the public.”
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is kind of a compilation of several short articles, and includes a short video showing inside the hospital, if you're interested.

Seems you get a new piece of information with each article.


http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/A...-Dawson-Case-364268291.html?device=tablet&c=y

(Video posted before the articles)


Inside Calhoun-Liberty Hospital 1-8-16 5pm

Dash Cam Video Released 1-6-16 11pm
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We’re getting an exclusive look inside the Calhoun-Liberty Hospital in Blountstown where Barbara Dawson went to be treated.

By: Alicia Turner
January 8, 2016

BLOUNTSTOWN, Fla. -- We’re getting an exclusive look inside the Calhoun-Liberty Hospital in Blountstown where Barbara Dawson went to be treated. Instead, she was arrested and died shortly afterward. We also spoke with the hospital’s CEO for the first time since the release of the dash cam video from her arrest.

Many have seen police video released by Dawson family attorneys. It shows some of 57-year-old Barbara Dawson's final moments of life.

Friday, the CEO of Calhoun-Liberty Hospital, Ruth Attaway, shows us where it all started. We got a look one of the six emergency units inside Calhoun-Liberty Hospital, similar to the one Dawson was in on the morning of her arrest.

CEO Attaway says when she saw the police video, it had a profound effect on her, both personally and professionally.

"It's always sad when we hear any negative comments. We feel like we've come a long way here at the hospital and we want to take it to the next level,” Attaway says.

Before moving forward, the hospital is answering questions focused on details such as, why was Barbara Dawson taken off of her oxygen?

"I know that the oxygen was disconnected and the only reason for getting the tube out of the way was because she was tripping on it, so that was for safety," Attaway told us.

Barbara lived across from the hospital and frequently visited the emergency room. Her family says doctors and staff knew she always used her oxygen tank.

According to the hospital, once a patient is discharged they’re still able to determine their vitals outside of the hospital using a small device that detects their blood oxygen level and their heart rate. A typical level is around 97. According to the video that night, Barbara Dawson’s was 98.

But even with a healthy oxygen reading, Barbara knew she wasn’t okay.

“Help me! I can’t breathe!” Dawson can be heard saying in the dash cam recording.

Dawson died from a blood clot in the lungs less than an hour later.

The hospital says Monday it plans to announce the launch of a new task force. This will be a joint effort with Reverend R.B. Holmes. The hospital says the goal is to develop ways to better serve the community.

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By: WCTV Eyewitness News
January 7, 2016

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Thursday, the Florida Department of Health issued a statement regarding the death of 57-year-old Barbara Dawson. Dawson died at the Calhoun-Liberty County Hospital on December 22, shortly after being arrested for refusing to leave the hospital upon her release.

The statement from the Florida Department of Health reads:

"The Florida Department of Health is deeply concerned with the events that transpired at Calhoun-Liberty Hospital. Although by law, the department cannot disclose the existence or status of any investigation until 10 days after finding of probable cause or wrongdoing, we are committed to working with our sister agencies to do whatever is necessary to ensure patient safety and quality of care for Florida’s citizens."

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By: Julie Montanaro
January 6, 2016

Dash cam video released Wednesday depicts the final hours of Barbara Dawson's life.

It shows Blountstown Police Officer John Tadlock arriving at the Calhoun-Liberty Hospital in the wee hours of December 21st.

Though the video only includes glimpses of Dawson as she is escorted to the patrol car, the audio clearly captures the struggle as she begs to stay, and repeatedly says she cannot breathe.

Dawson died of a blood clot in her lung within hours of the confrontation.

The family watched this video for the first time today.

"The video was very, very tough for me," said Dawson's cousin, Martha Smith Dickson. "I had my napkins, and I was just crying, and it was very surprising to me. The video has some things in there that I was so shocked of, because the hospitals are supposed to save people. That's their goal, is to save. Not hurt and harm."

Barbara's brother, Stafford Dawson, said, "When I had seen the video and seen that they were taking the oxygen away, I knew it wouldn't be long. Then just to watch them out there for over 20 minutes, just letting her lie on the ground, thinking that she was just playing possum. You know, I don't know if I can ever overcome this."

Both the Blountstown Police and Calhoun-Liberty Hospital have released statements in response to the videotape. Their full statements can be read below.

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By: WCTV Eyewitness News
January 6, 2015

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The attorneys representing the family of Barbara Dawson, the woman who died at a Blountstown Hospital in December, have released a video from a police cruiser dash camera.

A press conference was held at the office of Parks and Crump Wednesday morning where the video was released to the media.

In the video, which is more than two and a half hours long, Dawson is heard calling for help, stating that she can't breathe, and arguing with an officer as he repeatedly tells her she needs to leave.

Two separate videos from the same camera depict shots of both the front and back of the police cruiser.

Dawson collapsed by the police cruiser and later died at the hospital.

At the press conference this morning, Benjamin Crump questioned why Dawson wasn't able to get more immediate medical attention.

"The crux of the matter here, why didn't she get the benefit of the doubt? Why didn't she get the benefit of the humanity from the hospital and the police officer," Crump asked at the press conference.

Family members, who had not yet seen the video were ushered into a room following the press conference to watch the video privately.

In a statement prior to watching the video, the family said that the video would not bring Barbara back and that their goal is to get justice for their loved one, and make sure the same thing doesn't happen to anyone else.

Following the release of the video, Calhoun Liberty Hospital's CEO Ruth Attaway released the following statement:

"We have received a copy of the Dawson audio and video from members of the media and while we are still reviewing it, we want to reach out to the community with an immediate statement.

"First, we continue to grieve the loss of a patient and a member of the community. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Ms. Dawson as well as with our community.

"Our primary objective in this situation is to remain transparent and to welcome investigation from authorities. We have already welcomed reviews and investigations from the Agency for Health Care Administration and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement as well as the Department of Health. To the fullest extent permitted by state and federal law, we will continue to be transparent and forthcoming with our community and the public.

"We remain committed to providing quality and essential health care for our community, which will be supported by our own thorough review of this situation. We are also in process of setting up a medical and community task force in coordination with Rev. R.B. Holmes to review best practices and better communication to move our hospital forward. We owe our community nothing less.”

The City of Blountstown Police Department also issued a statement Wednesday. It reads:

"Contrary to what has been suggested by legal counsel for Ms. Dawson’s family, in Florida, law enforcement officers are “first responders”. It is important to recognize that law enforcement officers are not trained medical professionals. Generally, as first a responder, a law enforcement officer is trained in CPR. CPR would not be utilized on a person that is breathing and that has a heartbeat, as was the case with Ms. Dawson on December 21, 2015. In the event of a perceived medical emergency, it is a law enforcement officer’s duty and responsibility to request the assistance of trained medical professionals. It is also a law enforcement officer’s responsibility to rely on the medical training and expertise of medical professionals once the officer seeks medical evaluation and/or intervention.

"In Ms. Dawson’s case, the responding officer acted appropriately, by requesting immediate assistance from medical professionals. As clearly depicted in the audio recording of the events as they transpired on December 21, 2015, the officer sought medical attention for Ms. Dawson within less that one minute of her collapse. The medical professionals that responded to Ms. Dawson in the Calhoun-Liberty Hospital parking lot included the following: registered nurses, a paramedic, and a doctor.

"Upon the arrival of the various medical professionals, the officer deferred to the professional training and expertise of the summoned medical professionals to evaluate and assess Ms. Dawson’s need for medical intervention. Although the officer may have suspected that Ms. Dawson was intentionally noncompliant, he nonetheless fully executed his duty and responsibility, requesting that medical professionals continue to verify Ms. Dawson’s health status, even after the medical professionals initially assessed and evaluated Ms. Dawson following her collapse.

"Any action by the law enforcement officer usurping and/or interfering with the medical professionals’ expertise, knowledge and advice, either upon Ms. Dawson’s discharge from Calhoun-Liberty Hospital (after approximately eight (8) hours of evaluation and treatment by medical professionals) or subsequently in the Calhoun-Liberty Hospital parking lot following her collapse, would have been reckless. Any suggestion otherwise by the lawyers involved in this matter is misleading and illogical. Regardless, Ms. Dawson’s passing is a loss felt by our community, and our thoughts and prayers remain with her family and friends during this time."

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By: WCTV Eyewitness News
January 5, 2016

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The attorneys representing the family of Barbara Dawson plan to release police dash cam video that may shed more light into Dawson's final moments.

Tallahassee Law Firm Parks and Crump has announced a press conference Wednesday at 10 a.m. where they plan to release the video.

Dawson died at the Calhoun-Liberty County Hospital on December 22 shortly after being arrested for refusing to leave the hospital upon her release.

As Dawson was being escorted to a police cruiser, she collapsed by the door. Dawson later died, the official cause of death ruled as a blood clot to the lungs.

The NAACP called on Governor Rick Scott to appoint a special prosecutor to the case. The FDLE and state Agency for Health Care Administration have since launched investigations into the matter. Attorney Darryl Parks said that police and the hospital staff did not do enough to save Dawson's life.

Both the CEO and Blountstown Police Chief Mark Mallory vowed to be transparent in the investigations.

Dawson's funeral was Saturday.
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
No matter what the situation was, it sounds as if it's being turned into another ghetto lottery.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
No matter what the situation was, it sounds as if it's being turned into another ghetto lottery.
Well, this is why as Nightwolf says "no doctor wants to be the one who discharges a patient who then dies a few hours or days later;" the interesting thing is if the women had just meekly left he building nothing much would have come of this but a small article in the local press.

If a video had not been made (if this was 20 years ago) it would have been a "he said/she said" as to how the police officer treated her and the hospital staff were reacting at the time; now there's that pesky video showing the police officer thinking he is dealing with a non-compliant prisoner who is actually dealing with a dying women who can't stand up.

The fact that she may have been an ER "problem child" for weeks or months before hand (Nightwolf assures me Irish hospitals have these people too, they all do) isn't in the video; nor does her crying Wolf one to many times going to make much difference in the court room.

Most likely outcome for this one is going to be the hospital insurance company offering a "settlement" with one of those fancy, US style "non disclosure agreements" where the hospital admits not liability bla, bla, bla but pays out a few million to the family to keep them quiet.

They will low-ball an amount at first, but I'll be the family already has an attorney who will take a "cut" out of the settlement but is representing the family "for free" until then...

This sort of situation is kind of a loose-loose game for any hospital because sometimes they have to put their foot down with disruptive patients but on the other hand if it can be medically argued in court that the person was disruptive because they were ill (aka sick enough to not be responsible for their actions) then things get really and seriously difficult for everyone.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Our new healthcare/law enforcement working together in our brave new world order.


Obamacare in action...
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
http://www.ebony.com/news-views/fam...gged-for-help-she-never-got-333#axzz3wshoSsfP

Family of Barbara Dawson Says She "Begged" for Help She Never Got

The Florida woman's relatives say she struggled with police who ignored her cries that she was ill, which eventually led to her death

by Wendy L. Wilson, January 08, 2016

The family of Barbara Dawson is not only heartbroken, but frustrated as well about the conditions at a Florida hospital that led to her death last month.

The 57-year-old woman, who had a history of breathing problems, went to Calhoun Liberty Hospital in Blountstown, Fla., on Dec. 20 with abdominal pains. Although still in pain, she was discharged after eight hours. The medical staff alleges that the police were called once Dawson became disruptive and refused to leave.

What happened next is the point of contention. The police dashcam video, which was released Wednesday, includes audio (Dawson is barely seen) where she is heard repeatedly begging for help, saying, “oh my God.” Officers calmly explain to her that she has to leave as she insists, hysterically, that she does not feel well and cannot breathe. She was then forcibly removed from the hospital in handcuffs. At one point, Dawson pleading for help is overheard saying, “they’re going to kill me.”

“She was pushed out of the hospital. Her last words were, ‘please, please help me.’ She was begging them for help,” said Martha Dickson, Dawson’s aunt.

Moments later she lay unresponsive as the officers continue to try to convince her to comply to their demands and get into the police car. There is a roughly 20 minute gap of silence in the dash-cam audio before medical staff realized she was not feigning her condition. She was brought back inside the hospital and died shortly thereafter. The Panama City medical examiner’s autopsy report determined Dawson died from a blood clot in her lung.

“They knew Barbara well at that hospital and they knew every time she went there, she always had her oxygen,” said Stafford Dawson, the victim’s brother. “And then to think that she was playing possum after she collapsed and to just let her lay there for 20 minutes with no CPR or trying to help her just tears my heart out. It will stick with me for the rest of my life.”

In responding Officer John Tadlock’s police report, he states that he asked a nurse to check Dawson’s vitals several times and was assured that Dawson was “within normal range.” Once a doctor came out to do the same, the physician determined that Dawson be readmitted for “symptoms totally different than what she had been released from earlier.”

Blountstown Police Chief Mark Mallory stands behind his officers and said in a statement that while police officers are trained in performing CPR, it would not be performed on someone who is breathing with a heartbeat, as was the case with Dawson.

That is little consolation for Dawson’s family who paint the picture of a loving, generous, churchgoing woman with strong ties to the community.

“A few years ago, I saw an SUV that I wanted. The man selling the car asked for $9,500 and I told him I’d give him $7,500,” explained her brother. “I shared it with Barbara and she said well why don’t you get it and I said, I can’t afford it right now. She left and came back within the hour. She reached out the car with a McDonald’s bag. When I opened the bag, there wasn’t no Big Mac and fries, there were 75, $100 bills. That’s the kind of heart that she had…willing to give so someone else can be lifted up.”

Benjamin Crump, one of the attorneys for Dawson's family, said of the deceased woman, “she didn’t get the benefit of doubt or the benefit of humanity.” Although no official lawsuits have been filed, Crump says the plan is to seek legal action.

“We are seeking justice for her. No one should be treated that way,” said Dawson’s brother. “We want to hold everyone accountable who played a part in her death. People don’t just go to the hospital just to go. People go when they are sick.”

The Florida Agency for Health Care Administration, the Blountstown Police Department, and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement have all launched independent investigations into this incident.

Wendy L. Wilson is a Contributing Editor for EBONY.com. Follow her on Twitter @WendyLWilson_
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
I place a major part of the problem on Medical Malingerers....those folks that for some "sick" reason waste a tremendous amount of health providers time with their fictitious B.S. Those folks should be charged DOUBLE for just walking into a medical facility.

I then place the other half of the problem on piss-poor health care providers that should never have taken up this occupation in the first place. If they don't like people why are they in a people oriented and focused job?

During my over two decades of military medicine I've worked with far too many "professionals" (civilian and military) that hate patient care....they hate patients.....WTH?!?!?! Why would someone go into this line of work if you hate working with people. How can you do your best if you hate sick people, if you have no empathy, no compassion??

Then there are the weird stuff you run into.

Example: Patient walks up to a navy E/R check in window. His complaint: while playing cards one of the other players got mad at him and stabbed him in the middle of his forehead with an ice pick and then broke it off. The patient said that at least two to three inches were broken off in his face. The intake clerk told the patient to get the hell out of the E/R because he was fully of B.S. and that had that really happened he'd be dead!

You know....sometimes something that sounds incredibly beyond stupid...actually could happen.

As it turned out I took the patient. Besides a tiny little scratch on center of his forehead just above his brow lines, his exam was totally absolutely normal. So I ordered an X-Ray. Low and behold there was three inches of an ice pick smack dab embedded through his skull and into his brain. Not even the duty E/R/ Doctor believed the X-Ray. I talked to the surgeon that later removed the ice pick....he told me he caused more damage removing the pick that it caused when it entered exactly between the front lobes of the patients brain. TRUE STORY.

No matter how silly or stupid something is that a patient tells you - it could be true.

And I could go on and on and on. All patients are real patients until proved absolutely BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. However....there needs to be a mechanism to deal with malingerers and psychosomatics so that 100% of the entire burden of accountability isn't always dumped on the health care providers.
 
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