SOFT NEWS Death of the law enforcement as a career? Indiana State Police Recruit School only has nine recruits.

[Squib]

And if not a life in prison…which is a death sentence…then you’re financially ruined and a hunted man/woman.

Remember those two BP LEOs Compean, and Ramos…I think there names were something like that…anyway

I think they were imprisoned under Chocolate messiah and put in General population/ lock up…one was almost beat to death…you never put an LEO in general population…unless you want them killed!

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

Yep, there aren't too many Mayberry's left. I didn't grow up in a Mayberry, but I miss the safety of the old days.

Not safety. Civility with the undercurrent of you get a whoopin by whomever if you step out of line. THe lack of whoopins has caused there to be a lack of civility. Not saying corporal punishment and its lack therein is a cause, more that culturally incompatible cultures are creating a decline in the civility that creates a safety factor and safety cushion of sorts.

 

[Matt]

Yep, there aren't too many Mayberry's left. I didn't grow up in a Mayberry, but I miss the safety of the old days.

One of the main premises of Kunstler's works are the failing of globalism due to the increasing scarcity of cheap energy and a return to local economies..

Mayberry will be making a comeback! Of course those of us that make it to that point will need to put the thieving meth billies in the mulch pile before we can go back to leaving the door unlocked while we go to church.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Could also be queue.

Why would you put them in a line?

 

[Dennis Olson]

 

[recoil4015]

I agree with Thinwater. I pulled the pin last October. 26 years. 14 patrol and 12 as an Investigator. It seems Prosecutors would rather try to indict you because you did your job than the career criminal you dragged in. When the started telling us who we could not arrest I got out.

 

[Cuffo]

There is a huge problem with the people who do apply. The can’t meet the physical fitness and drug requirements.

 

[Groucho]

Euclid, OH Population 49,846
Euclid PD Requests for service 85,000 last year, 2022 will be more.
102 people on staff, including Patrol, Detectives and higher officers.

Aprox # on injury leave 13 at almost ANY point in time.

4 "districts" for Patrol, 8 cars on duty 24/7/365 1/4.

11.48 Sq Miles

Euclid, Ohio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Be it ever so humble, HOME.

A few years back, when I was training people how to safely use pistols as a certified instructor, I had among the students, three ladies. One was older, then the daughter, then an employee. The older lady was a property manager for an apartment complex in Euclid. She explained that the three of them needed to learn to defend themselves. About once a month, the police would call on her or her daughter to identify the body of a murdered tenant.

That plus she had to collect the rent and would at times have several thousand dollars with her. The three of them would go out on collections to have safety in numbers. I asked her why she didn't enlist the help of the police. She smiled and just shook her head. She said the cops would come to fill out the paperwork.

Most of you aren't familiar with Euclid, Ohio, but it used to be a very nice community where kids could play outside and people were safe. The darkness if moving out from Cleveland. It's sad to see.

 

[Nowski]

There is also 2030, when the ZUSA will become the
next South Africa.

Look at all of the NIHH's, that now exist in the ZUSA.
That is coming to all parts of the ZUSA, along with a
new Civil Rights Act 2, and prolly reparations.

It will not be a good time, to be in law enforcement,
and the closer the ZUSA gets to 2030, the more
evident it will become, how bad it will be for LEO.

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski

 

[ArisenCarcass]

I was in the military, got my degree, then went into LE.
I worked various jobs with State corrections and local LE for a few years, before I got into the State Police.
Only 200 applicants for 100 spots.

The Background Investigator stated that there was a huge shortfall in manning.
He told me that when he got in there were 1000 applicants for 20 spots.
He was brought back on at 62 after retiring once already.
He strongly suggested that I go elsewhere with my degree and DD214, but I (stupidly) persisted.

I went to the academy, and was in really good shape, but the 0-100 pace, 14 miles a day of running, and terribly implemented Crossfit regimen (first year) blew out all the ligaments in my knee.
When I left, they had already injured fully 1/3 of the class.
/Who knew that Holding the bottom of a squat position for a hour a day would put undue stress on a knee?//

They sent me home without any medical aid, even though my knee was larger around than my thigh.
I couldn't walk for the better part of a year due to the trauma and damage that required extensive surgery..........Meaning that I couldn't work for a year.
They denied my Worker's Comp Claim, and the Unemployment office wouldn't pay me since I *should* have been on WC.
I've been in the process of suing them for over 2 years.

The disloyalty of my employer, and what I saw in my admittedly short time in LE has jaded me toward the field.
I saw a group of Liars, Thieves, Thugs, and Sociopaths in uniform.
There were some decent people, but they didn't tend to last long (unless they changed).

It saddens me.

 

[bev]

Why would you put them in a line?

OP talking about lack of police recruits. Suggestion was robot cops, dogs, etc. The assumption is that there would be more recruits, so they all line up to get processed as new LEOs. Simple.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

It takes a special person to work law enforcement. IMHO, there are two types: one altruistic the other not so much.

The word you're looking for there is "sociopathic."

 

[Dennis Olson]

OP talking about lack of police recruits. Suggestion was robot cops, dogs, etc. The assumption is that there would be more recruits, so they all line up to get processed as new LEOs. Simple.

Wait, what? That makes absolutely no sense.

Do you understand the difference in meaning between Cue and Queue?

 

[bev]

Of course. The anticipated hoards of robot recruits queue up for processing.

 

[bev]

Queue of soldiers

 

[Dennis Olson]

The world ain’t a Robocop movie.

 

[KFhunter]

I was in the military, got my degree, then went into LE.
I worked various jobs with State corrections and local LE for a few years, before I got into the State Police.
Only 200 applicants for 100 spots.

The Background Investigator stated that there was a huge shortfall in manning.
He told me that when he got in there were 1000 applicants for 20 spots.
He was brought back on at 62 after retiring once already.
He strongly suggested that I go elsewhere with my degree and DD214, but I (stupidly) persisted.

I went to the academy, and was in really good shape, but the 0-100 pace, 14 miles a day of running, and terribly implemented Crossfit regimen (first year) blew out all the ligaments in my knee.
When I left, they had already injured fully 1/3 of the class.
/Who knew that Holding the bottom of a squat position for a hour a day would put undue stress on a knee?//

They sent me home without any medical aid, even though my knee was larger around than my thigh.
I couldn't walk for the better part of a year due to the trauma and damage that required extensive surgery..........Meaning that I couldn't work for a year.
They denied my Worker's Comp Claim, and the Unemployment office wouldn't pay me since I *should* have been on WC.
I've been in the process of suing them for over 2 years.

The disloyalty of my employer, and what I saw in my admittedly short time in LE has jaded me toward the field.
I saw a group of Liars, Thieves, Thugs, and Sociopaths in uniform.
There were some decent people, but they didn't tend to last long (unless they changed).

It saddens me.

I have heard of this

 

[Thinwater]

I have heard of this

They physically broke 20 percent of my police class and they had to leave the program. Since back then you were paying for the school yourself, you were on your own. Now that they have to pay people to go to the school, the schools had to stop hurting recruits because they will get workman's comp and disability.

I guess that's one good change I have to give them credit for.

 

[TKO]

A few years ago NJ was down some 800 troopers. The state cause the problems themselves. The state police won't accept someone that already went through a county academy. But the towns will take police from the state. So lots leave the state police and go get a job in a little town for more money and less work.
They only accept young people as well.
I think you have to be less than 25 to apply.
They force them out at 25 years as well.
Had a friend that got forced out in his late 50's. And he really never put in 25 because he was active duty army and spent years in the middle east. Desert storm and the other one.
Weird way to go about it.

Another thing. Cops need to go back to two in a car. Like on Adam 12...and even when I was a kid. Cops had partners. Less stress on them and their families. Someone to back them up and be another set of eyes. Two are more of a deterrent. Do that rather than spend money on robot dogs, more surveillance cameras, and more military style weaponry. Even give every cop a new lease car and it's still cheaper than all this technology crap. Two in a car...the younger cop learns from the older cop. That is lacking now. A young man I watched grow up became a cop after the military. He was gunned down in a little town nearby, by a gangsta. In-experienced and no partner. Killed after less than a year on the job.

 

[Firebird]

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That is so true!

 

[mistaken1]

Defund the police by other means, the end result is the same.
The solution will be a national police force centrally controlled by the democarps.
Just imagine the current fbi policies applied in every town and every county and every state of the former USA.

 

[Voortrekker]

Protection gets expensive. Before "cops culture" men took care of business and the "authorities" took custody of citizens' arrests and helped the widow and orphans. When politicians got involved it changed. Then the protection changed.

Before State Police there was the militia. During the Great War the communists decided to use their riot and strike option for Pase 1 operations, without a militia, Governor Morris instituted a State Police and every state followed suit. After the troops returned the Governors did not disband their new agency.

 

[West]

My mother just got a ticket for speeding. She was doing 65 in a 45. I know the area. It was a clear day, no traffic and she was going down hill. Both sides of the road she was on has huge paved shoulders and it's in a now abanded commercial buildings area.

Not 1000 yards away is a homeless camp with illegals and tons of drugs,..etc.

She's almost 90 and has a clean record, but on disability and doesn't have any disposable monies. The cop gave her no break and being that it's in California it's probably going to cost her hundreds of dollars.

So who's the victim?

 

[mistaken1]

My mother just got a ticket for speeding. She was doing 65 in a 45. I know the area. It was a clear day, no traffic and she was going down hill. Both sides of the road she was on has huge paved shoulders and it's in a now abanded commercial buildings area.

Not 1000 yards away is a homeless camp with illegals and tons of drugs,..etc.

She's almost 90 and has a clean record, but on disability and doesn't have any disposable monies. The cop gave her no break and being that it's in California it's probably going to cost her hundreds of dollars.

So who's the victim?

The state. Their authority to arbitrarily set limits on the speed at which a motor vehicle is allowed to travel was disrespected. Your mother is lucky she did not have any dogs or cats in the car with her. Besides, randomly issued fines are a great way to increase the revenue stream of the state and its various functionaries.

 

[West]

The state. Their authority to arbitrarily set limits on the speed at which a motor vehicle is allowed to travel was disrespected. Your mother is lucky she did not have any dogs or cats in the car with her. Besides, randomly issued fines are a great way to increase the revenue stream of the state and its various functionaries.

The states the victim?

That's a truth that needs to be looked at much closer. Sad state of affairs.

 

[Luddite]

My mother just got a ticket for speeding. She was doing 65 in a 45. I know the area. It was a clear day, no traffic and she was going down hill. Both sides of the road she was on has huge paved shoulders and it's in a now abanded commercial buildings area.

Not 1000 yards away is a homeless camp with illegals and tons of drugs,..etc.

She's almost 90 and has a clean record, but on disability and doesn't have any disposable monies. The cop gave her no break and being that it's in California it's probably going to cost her hundreds of dollars.

So who's the victim?

They're called " road pirates" for a reason.

Quite honestly, you know your mom was at fault. We most all do it and take our chances.

A local podunk town was known nationwide for their many shiny cruisers and their many speeding tickets.
I had a shouting match one day with a local guy. He was complaining similar to your post. I said that if we all drove the speed limit 90 days, the town simply couldn't afford the loss of revenue.

Simplistic, I know.
I am sorry your mom must used money she doesn't have to feed the beast.

That town eventually got their comeuppance. Shady dealings and poor decisions. They're poor now with one old cruiser manned by one old cop.

 

[naegling62]

Finally after all these years my dream has come true, a thread about Que, cue and queue.

 

[naegling62]

Another thing. Cops need to go back to two in a car. Like on Adam 12...and even when I was a kid. Cops had partners. Less stress on them and their families. Someone to back them up and be another set of eyes. Two are more of a deterrent. Do that rather than spend money on robot dogs, more surveillance cameras, and more military style weaponry. Even give every cop a new lease car and it's still cheaper than all this technology crap. Two in a car...the younger cop learns from the older cop. That is lacking now. A young man I watched grow up became a cop after the military. He was gunned down in a little town nearby, by a gangsta. In-experienced and no partner. Killed after less than a year on the job.

Two per car would definitely change things in the short and long run. The short run benefits are obvious. The long term? Less shootings and eventually it would turn that stereotype around.

 

[Thinwater]

My mother just got a ticket for speeding. She was doing 65 in a 45. I know the area. It was a clear day, no traffic and she was going down hill. Both sides of the road she was on has huge paved shoulders and it's in a now abanded commercial buildings area.

Not 1000 yards away is a homeless camp with illegals and tons of drugs,..etc.

She's almost 90 and has a clean record, but on disability and doesn't have any disposable monies. The cop gave her no break and being that it's in California it's probably going to cost her hundreds of dollars.

So who's the victim?

Taxation through citation. I hated chicken shit ticket writers before I was a cop, while I was a cop and now after I was a cop. When I was a street supervisor I told the guys to concentrate on criminals and no BS speed traps or writing tickets for minor BS was allowed. I did expect them to tune up people driving like jerks and any who were at fault in a crash. If they did not write a ticket to the responsible person at a crash, the victims insurance would commonly deny the claim.

 

[naegling62]

Taxation through citation. I hated chicken shit ticket writers before I was a cop, while I was a cop and now after I was a cop. When I was a street supervisor I told the guys to concentrate on criminals and no BS speed traps or writing tickets for minor BS was allowed. I did expect them to tune up people driving like jerks and any who were at fault in a crash. If they did not write a ticket to the responsible person at a crash, the victims insurance would commonly deny the claim.

Ticket writing, outside of the black community, is probably the worst image problem that law enforcement has. Protecting child tranny events is fast becoming the nail in the coffin.

 

[33dInd]

Taxation through citation. I hated chicken shit ticket writers before I was a cop, while I was a cop and now after I was a cop. When I was a street supervisor I told the guys to concentrate on criminals and no BS speed traps or writing tickets for minor BS was allowed. I did expect them to tune up people driving like jerks and any who were at fault in a crash. If they did not write a ticket to the responsible person at a crash, the victims insurance would commonly deny the claim.

You say tune up
In my neck of Oklahoma that ment a take down and beating

But I get your drift brother

 

[willowlady]

Responding to OP: Well, DUH! Who would choose law enforcement as a career these days? Defunding, there goes the job. Do the job, get sued or imprisoned for it. Lousy pay for the risks. Constant lefties looking over your shoulder and screaming bloody murder all the while.

 

[mistaken1]

The states the victim?

That's a truth that needs to be looked at much closer. Sad state of affairs.

Exactly. The state was created by the people to benefit the people.

There was a fireman, a chief actually of a small town. He wanted the board to force everyone to put nice reflective number signs at the end of their driveways. He said it would make his job easier and people safer. He said he tried the volunteer route where the local boy scout troop would install the signs for free but since no one wanted them he wanted an ordinance passed to force people to do what they did not want to do.

I know he meant well but as a public servant his job is to serve the people on the terms of their choosing not for him to dictate to the people the terms of his choosing. Multiply that by the millions of bureaucrats any number of which do not see themselves as paid public servants but instead see themselves as overseers whose job it is, is to dictate to the public what they shall and shall not be allowed to do based on their own personal belief systems.

I know we give up some freedom of action to get along as a group, it is a good idea to stop for stop signs and red lights not the least of which is the potential for immediate negative consequences. However I have read that most speed limits are arbitrarily set by bureaucrats without any studies as to what the optimal speed should be to make the best compromise between speed of transport and safety of travelers. Sadly it is too easy to set a ridiculously low speed limit then enforce the speed tax on those who appear most able to pay it, or as a pretense for deeper fishing expeditions if so desired.

 

[Josie]

My mother just got a ticket for speeding. She was doing 65 in a 45. I know the area. It was a clear day, no traffic and she was going down hill. Both sides of the road she was on has huge paved shoulders and it's in a now abanded commercial buildings area.

You do understand that your mom was doing 20 mph OVER the posted limit, right? There is generally a reason for the limit. For example, school zones are generally posted as 20-30 mph. That's because kids are notorious for not stopping and looking for cars. A slower speed might give a driver, who is paying attention, more reaction time. Since you stated that it was an abandoned commercial area, maybe the speed was posted when the buildings were bustling with activity...cars and trucks moving in and out of lots. Maybe they just never bothered to change the limit when the businesses closed or moved out. Call the governing body and find out what the reason is.

Not 1000 yards away is a homeless camp with illegals and tons of drugs,..etc.

So, are you implying that the cop should have left mom alone and focused his/her attention on the camp? Since this happened in California, you do understand that under Newsome, the whole dang state is sanctuary and that's a protected class of people there and just maybe, the patrols have been told to leave that camp alone.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Responding to OP: Well, DUH! Who would choose law enforcement as a career these days? Defunding, there goes the job. Do the job, get sued or imprisoned for it. Lousy pay for the risks. Constant lefties looking over your shoulder and screaming bloody murder all the while.

See my post 19

 

[West]

I couldn't give a ticket to a little old lady if there was no true victim citizen for anything.

You do understand that your mom was doing 20 mph OVER the posted limit, right? There is generally a reason for the limit. For example, school zones are generally posted as 20-30 mph. That's because kids are notorious for not stopping and looking for cars. A slower speed might give a driver, who is paying attention, more reaction time. Since you stated that it was an abandoned commercial area, maybe the speed was posted when the buildings were bustling with activity...cars and trucks moving in and out of lots. Maybe they just never bothered to change the limit when the businesses closed or moved out. Call the governing body and find out what the reason is.

So, are you implying that the cop should have left mom alone and focused his/her attention on the camp? Since this happened in California, you do understand that under Newsome, the whole dang state is sanctuary and that's a protected class of people there and just maybe, the patrols have been told to leave that camp alone.

Right, my 90yo mother is the target, real crimes and even worse things are going on just down the street and it's sanctioned.

Most all industry has been killed in the old logging, cattle and mining town she lives in.

Now it's a casino and drug town being its on I5 near Oregon.

The old commercial road she was speeding on is as wide as a freeway. Kinda a frontage road. But used to be the road all of the commercial related things that used to be there before they killed the logging, mining and cattle industry there.

Still in reality the only victim is her.

 

[TKO]

Ticket writing, outside of the black community, is probably the worst image problem that law enforcement has. Protecting child tranny events is fast becoming the nail in the coffin.

That's my issue with cops. They are used mostly as a revenue generator by cities. In my city, I don't even think they ticket black people for going over the speed limit.

 

[Raggedyman]

They sent me home without any medical aid, even though my knee was larger around than my thigh.
I couldn't walk for the better part of a year due to the trauma and damage that required extensive surgery..........Meaning that I couldn't work for a year.
They denied my Worker's Comp Claim, and the Unemployment office wouldn't pay me since I *should* have been on WC.
I've been in the process of suing them for over 2 years.

I have heard of this

They physically broke 20 percent of my police class and they had to leave the program. Since back then you were paying for the school yourself, you were on your own. Now that they have to pay people to go to the school, the schools had to stop hurting recruits because they will get workman's comp and disability.

in a previous life I was heavily involved in the management of Work Injuries - not only evaluation and management of acute injuries but independent medical evaluation of chronic injuries. without exception the later would require decisions be made as to legitimacy and thereafter, either directing or denying the need for, as well as the type and style of future medical intervention. on occasion it would also involve the "rating" (as in disability evaluation) of same. at one point it was the vast majority of (my part of the groups) practice.

In that role I had the opportunity to see a great many county and smaller agency LEO's and fire fighters. I was frequently amazed at the degree of MIS- management seen - either early on as a result of an individuals refusal to present for care - OR - as the result of the agency and/or insurance carrier's reluctance to ACCEPT IT as a legitimate work injury. it was also NOT uncommon to see the stoic I SHALL OVERCOME mindset of some of these guys (and gals). I assume a portion of that is the collective mentality of that subset of public servants - LEO's in particular.

from the opposite perspective - a large majority of this could be attributed to the progressively increasing degrees of reluctance on the part of certain of the comp carriers to accept claims as legitimate (i.e. actual on the job work injury v the at home "weekend warrior" type events). as the cost of health insurance rose more of these (NON work related) events were presenting as "work injuries" and with increasing frequency - they were NOT

your take away should be REPORT any injury AS SOON AS IT HAPPENS (musculoskeletal in particular) and when injured DO NOT push beyond what's obviously NOT going to recover OR allow your self to be pushed to or beyond that point. even worse - have the common sense to refuse to BE PUSHED to the point of being injured - either by yourself or your employers stupidity

many of us here are still at work. I would assume this situation is worse now than it was in the past. protect yourself - no lecture is intended in any the above. despite what your lawyer indicates you will NOT easily beat a work comp carrier in a legal fight. even with a pile of empathetic believing medical "experts" on your side

 

[summerthyme]

in a previous life I was heavily involved in the management of Work Injuries - not only evaluation and management of acute injuries but independent medical evaluation of chronic injuries. without exception the later would require decisions be made as to legitimacy and thereafter, either directing or denying the need for, as well as the type and style of future medical intervention. on occasion it would also involve the "rating" (as in disability evaluation) of same. at one point it was the vast majority of (my part of the groups) practice.

In that role I had the opportunity to see a great many county and smaller agency LEO's and fire fighters. I was frequently amazed at the degree of MIS- management seen - either early on as a result of an individuals refusal to present for care - OR - as the result of the agency and/or insurance carrier's reluctance to ACCEPT IT as a legitimate work injury. it was also NOT uncommon to see the stoic I SHALL OVERCOME mindset of some of these guys (and gals). I assume a portion of that is the collective mentality of that subset of public servants - LEO's in particular.

from the opposite perspective - a large majority of this could be attributed to the progressively increasing degrees of reluctance on the part of certain of the comp carriers to accept claims as legitimate (i.e. actual on the job work injury v the at home "weekend warrior" type events). as the cost of health insurance rose more of these (NON work related) events were presenting as "work injuries" and with increasing frequency - they were NOT

your take away should be REPORT any injury AS SOON AS IT HAPPENS (musculoskeletal in particular) and when injured DO NOT push beyond what's obviously NOT going to recover OR allow your self to be pushed to or beyond that point. even worse - have the common sense to refuse to BE PUSHED to the point of being injured - either by yourself or your employers stupidity

many of us here are still at work. I would assume this situation is worse now than it was in the past. protect yourself - no lecture is intended in any the above. despite what your lawyer indicates you will NOT easily beat a work comp carrier in a legal fight. even with a pile of empathetic believing medical "experts" on your side

OTOH, hubby badly lacerated the heel of his hand on the farm, while he was also working for the highway department. His boss tried to insist he "did it at work"... (we didn't have any health insurance). I sutured it and he lost two days at work, to give it a chance to heal. Boss could not figure out why we wouldn't go along with the minor grift..

Summerthyme

 

[Raggedyman]

interesting - sounds as if he was a great guy interested in giving you a helping hand. . . many would not have been as forthcoming as you folks are ST