EBOLA Dallas: Workers Spray Ebola Patients’ Vomit Off of Sidewalk with Pressure Washer and No Pr

geoffs

Veteran Member
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Workers Spray Ebola Patients’ Vomit Off of Sidewalk with Pressure Washer and No Protective Clothing. Notice that the woman wearing sandals is about to step onto the run-off.

Couldn’t they be tracking it on the bottom of their shoes as they
move around? What about the power-wash guys? Where did they go next?

That’s a pretty good way to spread Ebola … especially if experts are right that Ebola spreads through aerosols.

Similarly, the Ebola patient’s sweat-stained sheets were left on his bed for days without being removed … even though his family was quarantined in the same room.

As we noted yesterday, arrogance and carelessness may lead to unnecessary deaths.

Update: WFAA TV Dallas/Fort Worth Channel 8 news says that the Centers for Disease Control ordered the sidewalk to be power-washed:
Apparently, they didn't tell anyone to use protective suits, or to keep residents or passersby away while power-washing.

And from the casualness of the guys doing the power-washing, it is unlikely
that (1) they put any disinfectants in the power-washer or (2) they were even told what they were cleaning.

Heck of a job ...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...ewalk-pressure-washer-and-no-protective-cloth
 
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Workers Spray Ebola Patients’ Vomit Off of Sidewalk with Pressure Washer and No Protective Clothing. Notice that the woman wearing sandals is about to step onto the run-off.

Couldn’t they be tracking it on the bottom of their shoes as they
move around? What about the power-wash guys? Where did they go next?

That’s a pretty good way to spread Ebola … especially if experts are right that Ebola spreads through aerosols.

Similarly, the Ebola patient’s sweat-stained sheets were left on his bed for days without being removed … even though his family was quarantined in the same room.

As we noted yesterday, arrogance and carelessness may lead to unnecessary deaths.

Update: WFAA TV Dallas/Fort Worth Channel 8 news says that the Centers for Disease Control ordered the sidewalk to be power-washed:
Apparently, they didn't tell anyone to use protective suits, or to keep residents or passersby away while power-washing.

And from the casualness of the guys doing the power-washing, it is unlikely
that (1) they put any disinfectants in the power-washer or (2) they were even told what they were cleaning.

Heck of a job ...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...ewalk-pressure-washer-and-no-protective-cloth

Apparently, they also neglected to inform them of their own recommended protocol NOT to use pressure washers or air under pressure for cleaning as it aerosolizes the virus. Yep, aerosolizes. So much for that whole "only spread by direct contact with body fluids" lie, er, line.
 

Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Directions were prolly written in English......They look like some of our comrades from south of the border....
 

Texas Writer

Veteran Member
The CDC, like most government agencies, is useless and worthless. Right now, they're playing CYA, on orders, no doubt, from the White House.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Apparently, they also neglected to inform them of their own recommended protocol NOT to use pressure washers or air under pressure for cleaning as it aerosolizes the virus. Yep, aerosolizes. So much for that whole "only spread by direct contact with body fluids" lie, er, line.

THE CDC HAS SCRUBBED THEIR OWN WEBSITE WHERE THEY MENTION THE WORDS "IN THE AIR," "THROUGH THE AIR," OR "AEROSOLIZED."

I tried to find the CDC airlines personnel guidelines this morning to send them on to a local radio personality who was discussing ebola.

IT"S NOT THERE ANY MORE_--the old link now takes you to a flyer about how to use bleach to disinfect water.



I did a search on the "words" I had from the previous flyer--and found a NEW one, just put up YESTERDAY (October 2) that TOTALLY LEAVES OUT ANY REFERENCE to the word "air" and BOLDS references to "only spread by direct contact with body fluids."



PLEASE PLEASE SOMEONE--if you thought to download or make a FULL COPY of the PREVIOUS guidelines, PLEASE post it here and / or send it to me.

I was looking for the info CDC put out EARLIER on how airline personnel are to CLEAN airplanes and handle possible EBOLA EXPOSURE safely---the ORIGINAL directive had the following info:

From a CDC protocol on dealing with suspected Ebola patients in an airplane:

CDC. (n.d.). Retrieved 2014, from http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/pdf/..._Flyer_508.pdf

Although government officials and media reports insist Ebola is not airborne, the Center for Disease Control has issued a report specifying protocol for airline personnel dealing with suspected cases of Ebola. [3] The report recommends that airline personnel provide the sick person with a facemask “to reduce the number of droplets expelled into the air by talking, sneezing, or coughing.” [3]

The same report issues guidance for airline cleaning crews. Of particular importance is the recommendation to wipe down all surfaces commonly touched by passengers—because the Ebola virus can live for days on surfaces and anyone touching contaminated surfaces can become infected. [4] Cleaning crews are cautioned against using compressed air because doing so “might spread infectious material through the air.” [3]

The CDC has issued recommendation for the prevention of transmission via standard, contact and droplet transmission. [5] The report issues protocol for dealing with including “body substances, contaminated medical supplies and equipment, contaminated environmental surfaces, or contaminated air.”


Just went looking for it again, to forward it on to a radio personality---


CDC HAS CHANGED THE LINK FOR THIS TO AN INNOCUOUS FLYER ABOUT DISINFECTING WATER WITH BLEACH!

Did a search using some of the words from the ORIGINAL, above, and found THIS:

http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/air/managing-sick-travelers/ebola-guidance-airlines.html

BUT IT IS DATED "Updated October 2, 2014" and has (as far as I can tell) REMOVED ALL REFERENCES TO "through the air" and "contaminated air" AND INSTEAD GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO SAY, IN BOLD,

"The risk of spreading Ebola to passengers or crew on an aircraft is low because Ebola spreads by direct contact with infected body fluids. Ebola does NOT spread through the air like flu."

The only reference that comes CLOSE to the original is the following:

"Do NOT use compressed air, pressurized water or similar procedures, which might create droplets of infectious materials."


DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL AIRLINE PROTOCOL THEY WERE PUTTING OUT BEFORE THEY (YESTERDAY) PUT UP THIS 'KOOL-AID' VERSION???

By the way, you might want to read the "kool-aid" version---it sounds like they are DELIBERATELY down-playing this---if they were TRYING to communicate the disease they could hardly do it better. For instance:

Special considerations

Special cleaning of upholstery, carpets, or storage compartments is not indicated unless they are obviously dirty from blood or other body fluids.
Special vacuuming equipment or procedures are not necessary.
Do NOT use compressed air, pressurized water or similar procedures, which might create droplets of infectious materials.



May God DAMN these people who are DELIBERATELY putting us ALL at risk!
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Nothing really, this was done five days after Duncan threw up on the side walk. The virus can only live about 8 hours in the best conditions and it being on a sidewalk for five days, isn't the greatest conditions.

Not true.


READ this VERY LONG study that was posted yesterday----it can live over 50 DAYS on surfaces, under proper conditions: (at least THIS study is still up, but I have a full copy of it in my documents)

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhan....2010.04778.x/


Abstract

Aims:  Filoviruses are associated with high morbidity and lethality rates in humans,
are capable of human-to-human transmission, via infected material such as blood,
and are believed to have low infectious doses for humans. Filoviruses are able to
infect via the respiratory route and are lethal at very low doses in experimental
animal models, but there is minimal information on how well the filoviruses survive
within aerosol particles. There is also little known about how well filoviruses survive
in liquids or on solid surfaces which is important in management of patients or
samples that have been exposed to filoviruses.

Methods and Results:  Filoviruses were tested for their ability to survive in
different liquids and on different solid substrates at different temperatures. The
decay rates of filoviruses in a dynamic aerosol were also determined.


Conclusions:  Our study has shown that Lake Victoria marburgvirus (MARV) and Zaire ebolavirus (ZEBOV) can survive for long periods in different liquid media and can also be recovered from plastic and glass surfaces at low temperatures for over 3 weeks. The decay rates of ZEBOV and Reston ebolavirus (REBOV) plus MARV within a dynamic aerosol were calculated. ZEBOV and MARV had similar decay rates, whilst REBOV showed significantly better survival within an aerosol.


Discussion

This study has demonstrated that filoviruses are able to survive and
remain infectious for cell culture, for extended periods when suspended
within liquid media and dried onto surfaces. In addition, decay rates of a
range of filoviruses, within small-particle aerosols, have been calculated,
and these rates suggest that filoviruses are able to survive and remain
infectious for cell culture for at least 90 min.


Recovery of virus from liquid media (tissue culture media and sera) was
significantly higher in samples stored at +4°C compared to room
temperature. MARV and ZEBOV, dried onto solid substrates, were
recovered in high titres from both plastic and glass surfaces. It has also
been shown that low titres of virus could be recovered from samples
suspended in tissue culture media and dried onto both plastic and glass
until day 26, but only virus dried onto glass substrate was recovered by
day 50, when stored at +4°C.
The only significant differences that could
be detected across the range of conditions were attributable to the
suspending liquid dried onto glass, where virus in tissue culture media
could be recovered for significantly longer than virus dried in guinea pig
sera.

Data from researchers of the FSU indicated that MARV in human blood
was able to survive on steel, glass and cotton wool for at least 6 days
(Belanov et al. 1996). Results from our study extend these findings to
include survival data for EBOV as well as MARV and also include data for
the survival of filoviruses on plastic and glass substrates over a longer
period of time.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There are several reasons for outrage here, not the least of which is that incredibly expensive Federal bureaucracies like the CDC don't have their s**t together enough to handle basic decon in a professional and timely manner. Heads should roll over this and possibly see criminal charges, but as we all know, our unnaccountable Federal lords will never be called to account. Disgusting.

Best regards
Doc
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Has anyone noticed that the sidewalk is wet next to the building on the walkway OUT of the building? Pretty much no way to enter or exit without walking thru that stuff for what, 5 days now?
Screaming here at the monitor.....!

ETA: They also did the stairs and the walkway from that also. This means those docs coming OUT of the contaiminated apartment walked down those stairs and thru that mess on their way out and on the way in. :sht::sht:
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Oh and if you look just in front of the car parked at the bottom of the pic, they left their water bottle there in a puddle of the stuff.
 

Bolt

FJB
There are several reasons for outrage here, not the least of which is that incredibly expensive Federal bureaucracies like the CDC don't have their s**t together enough to handle basic decon in a professional and timely manner. Heads should roll over this and possibly see criminal charges, but as we all know, our unnaccountable Federal lords will never be called to account. Disgusting.

Best regards
Doc

The CDC needs to bring in some Nigerian public health officials to tell them what to do.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Nothing really, this was done five days after Duncan threw up on the side walk. The virus can only live about 8 hours in the best conditions and it being on a sidewalk for five days, isn't the greatest conditions.

Someone has already posted a research article on another thread that found the virus could live for WEEKS even in poor conditions. I think they are pulling our chain when they claim it only lives for a few hours.

Kathleen
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Someone has already posted a research article on another thread that found the virus could live for WEEKS even in poor conditions. I think they are pulling our chain when they claim it only lives for a few hours.

Kathleen

Our government is addicted to a daily dose of hopium... dammit. :mad:
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Nothing really, this was done five days after Duncan threw up on the side walk. The virus can only live about 8 hours in the best conditions and it being on a sidewalk for five days, isn't the greatest conditions.

You're "knowledge" will get you or someone else killed...
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
Look at what has happened in West Africa so far.
They are working as hard as they can to contain it,
but to no avail.

As a wilderness EMT, decon procedures are taught from the
very beginning. If in doubt, always glove and mask up,
at the minimum. Always err on the side of precaution.

Simple decon procedures are not being followed.

Reports are indicating that it can go airborne, and can live
much longer outside of a host.

If people continue to listen to what this government tells
then in regards to this virus, they are going to end up
dead from the virus. Its as simple as that.

We are living in the end of days for sure.

Regards to all,
Nowski
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Someone has already posted a research article on another thread that found the virus could live for WEEKS even in poor conditions. I think they are pulling our chain when they claim it only lives for a few hours.

Kathleen


Yes, I have been posting that for months, but the report I read disappeared down the rabbit hole.

Possible Impact found a different report (similar, but not the same one) and he posted it last night.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Can anybody poke any holes in my take on this below...

I'd read Ebola virus can stay live, in ideal settings, on most any surface for 72 hours.
(Perhaps even 3 weeks long if in colder environment, but just looking at 72 hrs here.)

Everybody is debating about how close you'd have to be to Ebola infectious people
if they sneeze or cough near you, but most are still missing that you need only cross
their path within 72 hours after they'd sneezed on, coughed on, or touched, that public
door handle anytime in previous 72 hours before you next did. Or, sat/touched the same
seat at any waiting room, movie theater, fast food restaurant, etc.

It's not only about being diligent to notice if anybody is sickly around you, but it requires
impossible task to try and determine if anybody sick had been there before you anytime
in the last 72 hours!

Bottom Line; You don't need to be around infected person, nor does Ebola even need to be
airborne, you only need to contact something they'd physically contacted or deposited virus
onto with a cough or sneeze anytime in the previous 72 hours before you next touched it.

Think about how many other people have grabbed to open that door at the post office in the
last 72 hours or pushed around that same cart at the grocery store or used the ATM, vending
machine or elevator buttons or escalator rails or that gas pump handle or handled any of the
coins or paper money you just got back as change, etc. Not to mention any hotels or public
restrooms anywhere anytime now. Even without using the stall, just the urinal, and careful not
to touch door with hands going in and out, is a risk now. I took my thermal night vision and
relieving myself as careful as I could, it was appalling how much splash back from tiny droplets
there is back onto yourself, pants and shoes. That's likely not all yours when it's bouncing back
in a public restroom. Something to think about when you next take your shoes off that night.

Am I missing anything above, is this likely an accurate assessment of the risks of later contact?

- Shane
 
Can anybody poke any holes in my take on this below...

I'd read Ebola virus can stay live, in ideal settings, on most any surface for 72 hours.
(Perhaps even 3 weeks long if in colder environment, but just looking at 72 hrs here.)

Everybody is debating about how close you'd have to be to Ebola infectious people
if they sneeze or cough near you, but most are still missing that you need only cross
their path within 72 hours after they'd sneezed on, coughed on, or touched, that public
door handle anytime in previous 72 hours before you next did. Or, sat/touched the same
seat at any waiting room, movie theater, fast food restaurant, etc.

It's not only about being diligent to notice if anybody is sickly around you, but it requires
impossible task to try and determine if anybody sick had been there before you anytime
in the last 72 hours!

Bottom Line; You don't need to be around infected person, nor does Ebola even need to be
airborne, you only need to contact something they'd physically contacted or deposited virus
onto with a cough or sneeze anytime in the previous 72 hours before you next touched it.

Think about how many other people have grabbed to open that door at the post office in the
last 72 hours or pushed around that same cart at the grocery store or used the ATM, vending
machine or elevator buttons or escalator rails or that gas pump handle or handled any of the
coins or paper money you just got back as change, etc. Not to mention any hotels or public
restrooms anywhere anytime now. Even without using the stall, just the urinal, and careful not
to touch door with hands going in and out, is a risk now. I took my thermal night vision and
relieving myself as careful as I could, it was appalling how much splash back from tiny droplets
there is back onto yourself, pants and shoes. That's likely not all yours when it's bouncing back
in a public restroom. Something to think about when you next take your shoes off that night.

Am I missing anything above, is this likely an accurate assessment of the risks of later contact?

- Shane

I have been watching this developing pandemic since March and reading info online from official sources. CountryMouse is correct that information from those sources is being scrubbed or changed. Earlier in the year, I read a CDC publication online stating that risks for contracting the disease included being in the room with an infected person for 3 or more hours and shaking hands with an infected individual. That information has long since disappeared and I regret not saving it.

There have also been MANY references to it being communicable via airborne droplets which have disappeared, as well.

My theory is, they do not want the general public to know just how easily this particular strain is spread to avoid panic in the general population. If it were common knowledge you could catch it from handling money or other common objects, shaking hands, or being in a room with someone for a few hours people, en masse, would not report to work and would not go shopping. While a crash of the economy is in the cards, they are not quite ready for this to happen yet and it surely would if people in droves stopped working and/or shopping.
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's my worry too and I remember reading way back when the same info.

Also, it's not just handling money that some sweaty handed Ebola victim handled, just think about what goes on in public restrooms!

When you flush the toilet, micro droplets of bacteria fill the air. Not only that, what's worse is those turbo air hand dryers that just make me cringe. Spreads bacterial and viral crap into the air like a tornado! V
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
There are several reasons for outrage here, not the least of which is that incredibly expensive Federal bureaucracies like the CDC don't have their s**t together enough to handle basic decon in a professional and timely manner. Heads should roll over this and possibly see criminal charges, but as we all know, our unnaccountable Federal lords will never be called to account. Disgusting.

Best regards
Doc

AMEN! Add to that the "contractors" they brought in definitely are ignoring all of the procedures (if they knew them in the first place) for dealing with blood borne pathogens and the area wasn't cordoned off even before they started working; never mind while they're working. ARRRRRR!!!!!! :mad:
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
_______________
Not only that, what's worse is those turbo air hand dryers that just make me cringe. Spreads bacterial and viral crap into the air like a tornado! V

So you prefer a crank handle and/or a paper towel in the trash over a touchless air dryer? I am thinking "lesser of two evils" situation here since WAY more diseases are only transmitted via "direct contact" rather than airborne. Looking at the bigger picture (beyond just Ebola) there are actually very few truly airborne diseases compared to the number of diseases requiring direct contact. I think I'll keep the touchless air dryer myself.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have been watching this developing pandemic since March and reading info online from official sources. CountryMouse is correct that information from those sources is being scrubbed or changed. Earlier in the year, I read a CDC publication online stating that risks for contracting the disease included being in the room with an infected person for 3 or more hours and shaking hands with an infected individual. That information has long since disappeared and I regret not saving it.

There have also been MANY references to it being communicable via airborne droplets which have disappeared, as well.

Steve at www.ebolaready.com will be updating his site with some more of those disappeared references shortly, as he did with
one from Canadian version of 'CDC' yesterday. A document they'd scrubbed and dumbed down glaringly about two days ago that
he exposes there.

- Shane
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So after they power washed the puke and bloody diarrhea the two workers went down to the local bar and put their hands into the free nuts and knocked down a couple of cold ones.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
web.archive.org is your friend...

This document, revised yesterday Oct 2nd...
http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/air/managing-sick-travelers/ebola-guidance-airlines.html
...has very little in bold, except for this one sentence that stands out;
"Ebola does NOT spread through the air like flu."

The above was not in earlier August version of this same CDC page.

I'm not contesting here if Ebola is as readily airborne transmittable as the flu or not,
but CDC did earlier think it risky 'close contact' to even be in the same room too long.

Noticeably absent in above current Oct 2nd version, but was included in the earlier
version of same page from August 4th...
https://web.archive.org/web/2014080...ravelers/ebola-guidance-airlines.html#contact
...is this, defining what risky 'close contact' is;

"Close contact is defined as having cared for or lived with a person with Ebola
or having a high likelihood of direct contact with blood or body fluids of an Ebola
patient. Close contact does not include walking by a person or briefly sitting
across a room from a person."


Well, if 'close contact' is NOT "briefly sitting across a room from a person."
Then, risky 'close contact' IS likely sitting anywhere in a closed plane with them
for hours!!

That's, no doubt, why they revised and deleted that, yes?

Can't have people reasonably start getting a clue, possibly choosing not to fly if it'll
potentially risk causing disruptions to commerce and wider, perhaps justified, panic.

- Shane
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
The CDC has admitted that Ebola CAN become aerosolized and infect that way. Not exactly "airborne" in the classic sense, but damn close to it.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Can anybody poke any holes in my take on this below...

I'd read Ebola virus can stay live, in ideal settings, on most any surface for 72 hours.
(Perhaps even 3 weeks long if in colder environment, but just looking at 72 hrs here.)

Everybody is debating about how close you'd have to be to Ebola infectious people
if they sneeze or cough near you, but most are still missing that you need only cross
their path within 72 hours after they'd sneezed on, coughed on, or touched, that public
door handle anytime in previous 72 hours before you next did. Or, sat/touched the same
seat at any waiting room, movie theater, fast food restaurant, etc.

It's not only about being diligent to notice if anybody is sickly around you, but it requires
impossible task to try and determine if anybody sick had been there before you anytime
in the last 72 hours!

Bottom Line; You don't need to be around infected person, nor does Ebola even need to be
airborne, you only need to contact something they'd physically contacted or deposited virus
onto with a cough or sneeze anytime in the previous 72 hours before you next touched it.

Think about how many other people have grabbed to open that door at the post office in the
last 72 hours or pushed around that same cart at the grocery store or used the ATM, vending
machine or elevator buttons or escalator rails or that gas pump handle or handled any of the
coins or paper money you just got back as change, etc. Not to mention any hotels or public
restrooms anywhere anytime now. Even without using the stall, just the urinal, and careful not
to touch door with hands going in and out, is a risk now. I took my thermal night vision and
relieving myself as careful as I could, it was appalling how much splash back from tiny droplets
there is back onto yourself, pants and shoes. That's likely not all yours when it's bouncing back
in a public restroom. Something to think about when you next take your shoes off that night.

Am I missing anything above, is this likely an accurate assessment of the risks of later contact?

- Shane

Your referring to fomites any substance or surface capable of sustaining or passing on infection.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
My theory is, they do not want the general public to know just how easily this particular strain is spread to avoid panic in the general population. If it were common knowledge you could catch it from handling money or other common objects, shaking hands, or being in a room with someone for a few hours people, en masse, would not report to work and would not go shopping. While a crash of the economy is in the cards, they are not quite ready for this to happen yet and it surely would if people in droves stopped working and/or shopping.





































It's beginning to look like they want it to spread. That's my theory.
 

Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Why America's Not Ready For An Ebola Outbreak (In 1 Photo)

Here is some more shots from Zero Hedge.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Why America's Not Ready For An Ebola Outbreak (In 1 Photo)


Because nothing says "safety precautions" like rolled-up sleeves on a HazMat suit...

And here is a gentleman jet-washing the puke from the pavement outside the Texas Ebola victim's apartment building...

HD Chopper 8 caught crews cleaning the sidewalk outside the Ivy Apartments where the #Ebola patient stayed. pic.twitter.com/Tl7CVVzVvH

— WFAA TV (@wfaachannel8) October 2, 2014

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/why-americas-not-ready-ebola-outbreak-1-photo
 

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Cruiser

Membership Revoked
This is just another example of why we are "on our own" and why we prep. Having a good supply of food and water so you don't have to go out in public and knowing how to protect yourself will be your only hope.
 

Woolly

Veteran Member
Shane, there is not enough room under my bed for both of us, so I wonder what you're going to do? Yikes, this is becoming scary. There would not seem to be any way for the Ebola virus NOT to be transmitted to many more people.
I pity the poor folks in Belgium now, and anyone who went through Dulles in MD, or the Dallis-Ft Worth airport in Texas within three days of the arrival of Mr. Duncan.

Crap, this is an impossible situation! Where's Doomer Doug when you need an encouraging word?

Woolly
 

Chapulin

Veteran Member
Our TB crew has been analyzing this for weeks.
Bug bites of victims should pass to the next bite.
Coughs with aerosol droplets will also pass to the next victim.
Residue on sheets and other surfaces MAY also be an issue.

Chap
(known to kill threads here)
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So after they power washed the puke and bloody diarrhea the two workers went down to the local bar and put their hands into the free nuts and knocked down a couple of cold ones.

There was actually study to see how filthy things like unwrapped mints in a dish at a restaurant were and which we've all seen this. Well, the test came back that the little butter mints were steeped in fecal matter.

Also, one should always carry their own pens for writing checks/signing charge slips instead of using the ones at the counters. Teeming with fecal matter and other delightful critters. V
 
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