packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
smokers and whiskey drinkers, go figure.
HEALTH Current Tobacco Smokers Hospitalized Less Often for COVID-19
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Looks Harmless
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I resemble. LOL
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Outside of the occasional cigar I don’t smoke, OC chews.
Looks Harmless
Bite Me
Hand roll my own cigarettes and enjoy the occasional Dimple.
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm sure when the virus lands on tar in the lungs, it can't replicate.
willowlady
Veteran Member
Also, nicotine has been shown to be beneficial in reducing essential tremor (which I have), and may ameliorate some Parkinson's symptoms. Yes. I smoke.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Not a smoker, and my pack-a-day mother died early of emphysema. Still, I grew up with the rabid No Smoking! cultural hype all around me in the 70's and 80's, and the smug holier-than-thou directives made me suspicious. I have no use for people who litter the ground with butts, or sit next to me and proceed to light up, but the control freaks were never concerned about that. As with any current cause, the Karens are terribly concerned with YOU!
Ok, rant over. What I find interesting here is that smoking meat preserves it by killing off surface bacteria. Might that also kill off viruses, or at least alter the chemistry of the surface in a way that is not conducive to a virus colonizing those surface cells in a smoker's living lung tissue?
Also, as an aside, first I've heard about nicotine and anti-inflammatory qualities. Could be. GI issues run in my maternal line, and my mother had them too. She basically lived on coffee and cigarettes. She quit after the emphysema diagnosis, but took it up again not long before she died. My brother (a LIBERAL) highly disapproved (Oh, F**k you!).
She already had a terminal illness, why not be a little more comfortable? I hate do-gooders.
WELL, THEY FOUND that Emphysema IS CAUSED BY VITAMIN A DEFICIENCY, even if you don’t smoke. The link to smoking is that smokers who DONT EAT Vitamin A rich foods (and don’t take supplemental Vit A) will get Emphysema because smoking destroys Vitamin A!
My DH and I both smoked but he would not take vitamin supplements AND HATED VITAMIN A RICH FOODS! He got Emphysema and I did not. I LOVE Vit A rich foods and took Vit A supplements.
DO NOT OVERDOSE ON VITAMIN A, IT WILL KILL YOU QUICK WITH VITAMIN A POISONING!!
That is what kills people who eat bear liver, TOO MUCH VITAMIN A IN BEAR LIVER, POISONOUS LEVELS!
Keep Vitamin A supplements to 10,000 U a day. If you cant remember to be careful, INSTEAD buy CAROTENE SUPPLEMENTS which is safer precurser of Vit A, and turns into vitamin A in your body.
Vitamin A Depletion Induced by Cigarette Smoke Is Associated with the Development of Emphysema in Rats
Abstract. We showed previously that vitamin A deficiency per se causes emphysema. Benzo(a)pyrene, a constituent in cigarette smoke, induces vitamin A depletion
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happyface78
Contributing Member
Amazing coincidence. Smoking is definitely something I would not pick up, but imagine being able to tell someone that smoking saved their life. lol
If you put in freezer they stay fresh a long time.
mbabulldog
Inactive
I remember back in the spring TPTB said smokers were MORE likely to catch the virus, and MORE likely to die from it.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
SHAME ON YOU! You cast doubt on what I posted, and ME, because of your utter preference to feel “superior” and WRONGLY present yourself as someone who is not easily fooled. You shamed yourself in front of us all because you were TOO DAMNED LAZY to go to the links I put in the information I posted.
You can do that to OTHER PEOPLE on this board, but do NOT DO IT TO ME, I Will fight for my reputation. I check and double check what I post, I read countless scientific research reports and cross check. If I tell you something and show you where I got that knowkedge, you can take it to the bank.
Nobody REMEMBERS WHO FIRST PUBLICIZED and told the damn world about THE BENEFITS OF CURCUMIN IN TURMERIC, that knowledge had been buried in forgotten old research reports I DISCOVERED and read way back when THE ASIAN SARS and Canadian SARS Epidemics were raging and I advised here that they could save SARS PATIENTS with curcumin, NOBODY HAD YET PUBLISHED much of anything about The curcumin in Turmeric helping people’s health.
At the time MY DOCTORS SCOFFED AT ME when I informed them nobody had to die from a Cytokine cascade, or cytokine “storm” that CURCUMIN would stop it cold. I even handed them photocopies of the Old GOVERNMENT scientific studies that discovered that but most would not even take them or read it. The researchers who found that out, did not publicize or pursue the potential it presented! Now by word of mouth, probably 30 % of even the public knows about it.
There was something hinky about the whole, sudden, “about face“ the government and media took regarding smoking that took place when cancer cases started to rise. What they claimed about it turned out to be utter lies and the simultaneously censored any truth from the public and they manufactured public opinion about it. It not only was a successful test of government and media manufacturing public opinion, but they USED THE LIES to rake in countless BILLIONS of dollars of PUNITIVE TAXES from even the poorest citizens who then enjoyed smoking.
A humongous percentage of the then public smoked. Not that there was “nothing wrong“ with smoking, It made a mess of butts and ashes, coated walls, books, clothes, teeth, everything with a yellow stinky film, careless, usually drunk, smokers burned holes in their and sometimes other peoples clothes, carpets, car seats and burned down much more than a few homes, other buildings, and forests. BUT, IT WAS OFFSET by it’s then known benefits.
It was a KNOWN INSTANT STRESS RELIEVER. EVEN A DOCTOR back then would call you into his office when he had bad news for you and light up and offer you a cigarette as he did. So would supervisors before they told you they had to lay you off. Back then prisons allowed smoking to both keep the inmates under control, relieving some of the explosive tensions of incarceration and as a mode of punishing or rewarding good behavior. Cigarettes were cheap then, calmed people, yet made them more alert, with better judgment, and not like alcohol, which made you lose control, pass out, or stupefied. I had one doctor tell me smoking was the most effective treatment for hysterics and many mental illnesses!
It restored blood pressure to the brain instantly, on a psychologically shocked, but uninjured soldier and once the bleeding had been stopped, even on a wounded soldier to keep him alive until he could be transported to medical care. It calmed the shell shocked soldier down and restored his ability to fight and defend himself on the battlefield until his mind could calmly process the horrors of war he saw and dealt with.
it is funny, none of our kids who grew up really “lung challenged“ in a two smoker home have any lung problems! But they are smoking NAZI’s who have children with all sorts of asthma and other lung problems from never being around smoke of any kind. They would be unable to tolerate wood smoke too.
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hunybee
Veteran Member
oh my goodness aint!
step back and RELAX.
you sound like a lunatic. i never cast doubt on you at all.
you need to go cool off for a while and understand that i never said anything about you, or your info, or about you being wrong and me being right. and you owe me an apology for what you have said about me.
if anyone should be angry about how they have been presented and maligned, it is me. i have done absolutely nothing wrong or against you in any way. i have done nothing to you or anyone else at all. i don't know what in the world your problem is with me, but you can just step off right the hell now and leave me alone. YOU are in the wrong here.
step back and RELAX.
you sound like a lunatic. i never cast doubt on you at all.
you need to go cool off for a while and understand that i never said anything about you, or your info, or about you being wrong and me being right. and you owe me an apology for what you have said about me.
if anyone should be angry about how they have been presented and maligned, it is me. i have done absolutely nothing wrong or against you in any way. i have done nothing to you or anyone else at all. i don't know what in the world your problem is with me, but you can just step off right the hell now and leave me alone. YOU are in the wrong here.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
This below is what you said, that I really took offense to, because it made it sound like I was presenting myself as the “authority” For what I wrote. To now call me a lunatic, on top of that, mends no fences and is no apology. Did you GO to the links I posted with the article excerpts, where the answers to your questions were posted prominantly?
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Aint... she's right. CHILL!
Those are what are known as QUESTIONS! They aren't accusations... But they do raise important, valid points. Don't forget, at the same time they were "prescribing" cigarettes for various isdues, they also were still using mercury compounds and arsenic for their "known benefits"... which turned out to be utterly specious.
Summerthyme
Those are what are known as QUESTIONS! They aren't accusations... But they do raise important, valid points. Don't forget, at the same time they were "prescribing" cigarettes for various isdues, they also were still using mercury compounds and arsenic for their "known benefits"... which turned out to be utterly specious.
Summerthyme
hunybee
Veteran Member
perhaps instead of flying off the handle and assuming something, you should have asked for clarification.
that was not even about you in any capacity! it was not about anything you had said or presented.
in that post, i had been actually talking more about what other people were making reference to in regards to smoking and illness and their drs.
like faroe and sacajawea, and capemom, and abbynormal.
i wasn't even thinking about you when i wrote that other than to (in my mind) be sort of backing you up.
those statements had nothing to do with you. what they had more to do with was how the OTHER side the demonizes smokers and smoking, the studies they use as proof. etc.
as in: who made them the authority and upon what criteria is the research, they claim as proof, based.
hunybee
Veteran Member
i just read the rest that you added to this just now.
i did not call you a lunatic. i said you sounded like a lunatic because you flew off the handle and sounded like a lunatic! your behavior was atrocious and completely uncalled for and made no sense. those question i posted had absolutely nothing to do with you or your article and information you presented.
nothing.
i will NOT apologise. i have NOTHING to apologise for. you should be apologising to me. you should be trying to mend fences with me. not the other way around. you have gone on the attack because you jumped the gun and made assumptions and accusations based on some imaginary slight. i have done nothing wrong
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Actually, I researched it after I got out of the nusing home. Pineapple juice helped keep me from choking to death and I FOUND OUT THAT CANNED juice has NOWHERE NEAR the amount of mucous busting Bromelain that FROZEN pineapple juice has! The study said BROMELAIN IS DESTROYED BY THE HEAT OF THE CANNING PROCESS! So I figure that it even the small amount that was present in the juice was still enough to break up the thickest, stickiest mucous I had ever seen in my life!!
But if you CAN get the frozen, it is WAY, WAY, more effective than canned juice!
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Frozen? You mean as in "from concentrate"?
Actually that WOULD make sense. Frozen juice would be concentrated, which would probably improve its sheer density. You're supposed to thin it out with water anyway.
It isn't about the "density"... the enzyme in fresh pineapple which gives it it's mucolytic properties is bromelain, and it is supposed to be inactivated by heat. When we had Angora rabbits, they would get stomach blockages from hairball. We always bought frozen pineapple juice to give them, because it was known to work when the canned juice wouldn't.
Apparently, canned juice does help break up mucous, though... But I'd probably keep some frozen (hmmm... anyone ever trying freeze drying pineapple, or pineapple juice?) on hand for the medicinal attributes.
Summerthyme
I've always heard to use dried papaya fruit for the rabbit hair blocks. Don't recall that papaya is classed with the Bromeliads, IIRC, grows with a straight stem and leaves more like a very small tree. Different active chemical? Do the cultivated air plants like tislandia (spell?) have bromelian? ...off to see if Wiki has any interesting info....
Papaya contains papain, another enzyme which breaks down proteins.
I use it (in the form of unseasoned meat tenderizer powder) to treat "proud flesh" in wounds, mostly on horses. The papain dissolves the dead/abnormal proud flesh, but doesn't affect healthy tissue at all. It's absolutely amazing how well it works.
Summerthyme
Thanks! A brief search came up with this article linking the two. The article won't let me copy/paste. Proteolytic Enzymes: How They Work, Benefits and Sources
The plants are not related, and the papaya info. is limited to wounds and the GI tract (also, avoid while pregnant, or when looking to get pregnant). That has me wondering how a the pineapple compound taken orally ends up working effectively in the lungs. ...back to the search....
The plants are not related, and the papaya info. is limited to wounds and the GI tract (also, avoid while pregnant, or when looking to get pregnant). That has me wondering how a the pineapple compound taken orally ends up working effectively in the lungs. ...back to the search....