EBOLA Cuomo Says Ebola Quarantines Will Allow Home Isolation

cuz1961

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Under Pressure, Cuomo Says Ebola Quarantines Will Allow Home Isolation

By MATT FLEGENHEIMER, MICHAEL D. SHEAR and MICHAEL BARBAROOCT. 26, 2014

Facing fierce resistance from the White House and medical experts to a strict new mandatory quarantine policy for all medical workers who had contact with Ebola patients in West Africa, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said Sunday night that people quarantined in New York who do not show symptoms of the disease would be allowed to remain at home and would receive compensation for lost income.

Mr. Cuomo’s decision came after a weekend in which administration officials urged him and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey to reconsider the mandatory quarantine they announced on Friday. Aides to President Obama also asked other governors and mayors to follow

a policy based on science,

(bwaa ha ha,, i think they mean politics instead of science)

seeking to stem a steady movement toward more stringent measures in recent days at the state level.

The announcement by Mr. Cuomo seemed intended to draw a sharp contrast — both in tone and in fact — to the policy’s implementation in New Jersey, where a nurse who arrived Friday from Sierra Leone was swiftly quarantined in a tent set up inside a Newark hospital,

with a portable toilet but with no shower.

( at first,, she is inside now and HAS a toilet and shower, but hey
cant let current facts replace outdated propaganda )

It was the second striking shift in Mr. Cuomo’s public posture on the Ebola crisis in 72 hours; after urging calm Thursday night, then joining Mr. Christie to highlight the risks of lax policy on Friday, Mr. Cuomo on Sunday night appeared to try to stake out a middle ground.

He said his decision balanced public safety with the need to avoid deterring medical professionals from volunteering in West Africa. “My number one job is to protect the people of New York, and this does that,” he said.

Those quarantined

at home

will be

visited

twice a day

by local authorities, he said.

Family members

will be allowed to stay,

and friends

may

visit with

the approval of health officials.

( and said officials, family, and approved visitors who may then become
infected can go out for dinner and bowling afterwards. so much for the idea of quarantine or isolation huh ? )

Mayor Bill de Blasio, sitting beside Mr. Cuomo, nodded in approval, and praised the governor for developing a set of more

flexible quarantine

( like a kinda pregnant, or an up down, or a black white, or a clear fuzzy ? )


guidelines that, the mayor said, would show proper respect to those required to abide by them.

Throughout the weekend, the quarantine orders by Mr. Christie, a Republican, and Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, drew withering criticism from many medical experts, who said they would discourage aid workers from volunteering to help eradicate the disease at its source. By midday Sunday, Kaci Hickox, the nurse who became the first person isolated under the new protocols in New Jersey, emerged as the public face of the opposition, calling


the treatment she received “inhumane”

( oh it was humane all right,,, for the American public . what she calls inhumane was not being
able to be a medical anarchist and a typhoid mary . her feelings and comfort being more important
than the health of a nation is her real idea of humane .)


and disputing Mr. Christie’s assertion a day earlier that she was “obviously ill.”

“If he knew anything about Ebola he would know that asymptomatic people are not infectious,” Ms. Hickox told CNN.

Even some who acknowledged the states’ authority to enact the policy took issue with its implementation in New Jersey.

“We have to think how we treat the people who are doing this noble work,” said Mr. de Blasio, who was not consulted by Mr. Cuomo or Mr. Christie before their Friday announcement, though his administration is overseeing the care of an Ebola patient. At a late afternoon news conference, he said

Ms. Hickox’s treatment was “inappropriate,”

(so quarantine and isolation are inappropriate when dealing with a level 4
infectious disease pathogen ? )


adding: “We owe her better than that.”

( on the contrary, SHE owes US to keep her butt in isolation and quarantine )


Yet amid heightened public anxiety about the government’s handling of the crisis, state authorities have increasingly calculated that the mandatory quarantines will prove prescient. Since the governors’ announcement, two more states, Illinois and Florida, have said they were instituting similar measures.

“I think this is a policy that will become a national policy sooner rather than later,” Mr. Christie said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.

The Cuomo and Christie administrations began seriously considering a quarantine on Tuesday, aides said, after federal officials decreed that travelers returning from Ebola-stricken countries in West Africa could enter the United States only at five designated airports, including Kennedy and Newark.

Mr. Cuomo had long suspected the virus would arrive in the area, his office said, and privately voiced this belief after the Ebola patient in Dallas, Thomas Eric Duncan, died on Oct. 8, an aide said.

In New Jersey, officials said, Mr. Christie had grown increasingly frustrated by mid-October over the failure of medical professionals to properly isolate themselves on a voluntary basis after returning from West Africa.

Mr. Christie and his team were startled to learn that Dr. Nancy Snyderman, an NBC News correspondent who had traveled to Liberia and whose cameraman had contracted Ebola, left her home in Princeton, N.J., on Oct. 9 to pick up food at a favorite local restaurant.

When a doctor, Craig Spencer, tested positive in New York City on Thursday, the two governors watched as city officials strained to trace his every movement — on the subway, at a bowling alley, at a meatball shop.

What appeared to be a triumph of meticulous forensic work by New York City health officials, in retracing Dr. Spencer’s every step late last week, looked like a potential nightmare to governors who suddenly contemplated having to repeat such an exercise over and over, across their states, should more individuals violate voluntary isolation guidelines.

Over a series of phone conversations starting on Thursday night, shortly after Dr. Spencer was diagnosed, and continuing Friday morning, Mr. Christie and Mr. Cuomo decided to impose the mandatory quarantines, officials said — essentially declaring that neither state trusted those potentially exposed to the deadly disease to wall themselves off from the rest of society.

Aides to Mr. Cuomo said the notion of a mandatory quarantine had always been considered as an option to contain the virus, and that the plan had been quietly vetted by attorneys and some public-health officials.

Neither governor notified the White House.

It did not take long for a test case to walk through the doors of Newark Liberty International Airport. Ms. Hickox, who had treated Ebola patients in West Africa, arrived at around 1 p.m. Friday, and immediately became ensnared in the new regime.

In a way, the NBC episode worked to New Jersey’s benefit. Because of it, Mr. Christie and his aides had already developed a legal framework for mandatory quarantines, which they applied to Ms. Hickox.


The benefits, supporters said, were clear: soothing public concerns with more aggressive monitoring at the front end and sparing officials from exhaustive retracing after the fact.

For Mr. Cuomo, though, embracing the policy proved somewhat complicated. Earlier this month, he cast decisions on screening procedures as “a federal issue.” In a news conference announcing Dr. Spencer’s positive test on Thursday, Mr. Cuomo appeared beside Mr. de Blasio and health officials to urge calm. (The city said Sunday that Dr. Spencer “looks better than he looked yesterday.” He remained in serious but stable condition.)

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looks like cuomo got "educated" by one of his betters eh ?

MOON ,, that spells quarantine ! ,

(just ask obamaobola and the cdc.)
 
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Faroe

Un-spun
Family members can stay?
Visitors OK?
No guard?

I predict within 72 hours, she'll be ducking out to get some soup.
 

the watcher

Inactive
A little more detail on this. Notice what Coumo says about the people of NY.

Under Pressure, Cuomo Says Ebola Quarantines Will Allow Home Isolation
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York, left, and Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York outlined changes to Ebola quarantine protocols on Sunday.
Michael Appleton for The New York Times

By MATT FLEGENHEIMER, MICHAEL D. SHEAR and MICHAEL BARBARO
October 26, 2014

Facing fierce resistance from the White House and medical experts to a strict new mandatory quarantine policy for all medical workers who had contact with Ebola patients in West Africa, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said Sunday night that people quarantined in New York who do not show symptoms of the disease would be allowed to remain at home and would receive compensation for lost income.

Mr. Cuomo’s decision came after a weekend in which administration officials urged him and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey to reconsider the mandatory quarantine they announced on Friday. Aides to President Obama also asked other governors and mayors to follow a policy based on science, seeking to stem a steady movement toward more stringent measures in recent days at the state level.

The announcement by Mr. Cuomo seemed intended to draw a sharp contrast — both in tone and in fact — to the policy’s implementation in New Jersey, where a nurse who arrived Friday from Sierra Leone was swiftly quarantined in a tent set up inside a Newark hospital, with a portable toilet but with no shower.

It was the second striking shift in Mr. Cuomo’s public posture on the Ebola crisis in 72 hours; after urging calm Thursday night, then joining Mr. Christie to highlight the risks of lax policy on Friday, Mr. Cuomo on Sunday night appeared to try to stake out a middle ground.

Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey campaigning for Gov. Rick Scott in Florida on Sunday. New Jersey officials have stood by the quarantine protocols announced in a joint press conference just days ago with Mr. Cuomo.

He said his decision balanced public safety with the need to avoid deterring medical professionals from volunteering in West Africa. “My number one job is to protect the people of New York, and this does that,” he said. Those quarantined at home will be visited twice a day by local authorities, he said. Family members will be allowed to stay, and friends may visit with the approval of health officials.

Mayor Bill de Blasio, sitting beside Mr. Cuomo, nodded in approval, and praised the governor for developing a set of more flexible quarantine guidelines that, the mayor said, would show proper respect to those required to abide by them.

Throughout the weekend, the quarantine orders by Mr. Christie, a Republican, and Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, drew withering criticism from many medical experts, who said they would discourage aid workers from volunteering to help eradicate the disease at its source. By midday Sunday, Kaci Hickox, the nurse who became the first person isolated under the new protocols in New Jersey, emerged as the public face of the opposition, calling the treatment she received “inhumane” and disputing Mr. Christie’s assertion a day earlier that she was “obviously ill.”

“If he knew anything about Ebola he would know that asymptomatic people are not infectious,” Ms. Hickox told CNN.


Even some who acknowledged the states’ authority to enact the policy took issue with its implementation in New Jersey.

“We have to think how we treat the people who are doing this noble work,” said Mr. de Blasio, who was not consulted by Mr. Cuomo or Mr. Christie before their Friday announcement, though his administration is overseeing the care of an Ebola patient. At a late afternoon news conference, he said Ms. Hickox’s treatment was “inappropriate,” adding: “We owe her better than that.”

Yet amid heightened public anxiety about the government’s handling of the crisis, state authorities have increasingly calculated that the mandatory quarantines will prove prescient. Since the governors’ announcement, two more states, Illinois and Florida, have said they were instituting similar measures.

“I think this is a policy that will become a national policy sooner rather than later,” Mr. Christie said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.

The Cuomo and Christie administrations began seriously considering a quarantine on Tuesday, aides said, after federal officials decreed that travelers returning from Ebola-stricken countries in West Africa could enter the United States only at five designated airports, including Kennedy and Newark.

Mr. Cuomo had long suspected the virus would arrive in the area, his office said, and privately voiced this belief after the Ebola patient in Dallas, Thomas Eric Duncan, died on Oct. 8, an aide said.

In New Jersey, officials said, Mr. Christie had grown increasingly frustrated by mid-October over the failure of medical professionals to properly isolate themselves on a voluntary basis after returning from West Africa.


Mr. Christie and his team were startled to learn that Dr. Nancy Snyderman, an NBC News correspondent who had traveled to Liberia and whose cameraman had contracted Ebola, left her home in Princeton, N.J., on Oct. 9 to pick up food at a favorite local restaurant.

When a doctor, Craig Spencer, tested positive in New York City on Thursday, the two governors watched as city officials strained to trace his every movement — on the subway, at a bowling alley, at a meatball shop.

What appeared to be a triumph of meticulous forensic work by New York City health officials, in retracing Dr. Spencer’s every step late last week, looked like a potential nightmare to governors who suddenly contemplated having to repeat such an exercise over and over, across their states, should more individuals violate voluntary isolation guidelines.

Over a series of phone conversations starting on Thursday night, shortly after Dr. Spencer was diagnosed, and continuing Friday morning, Mr. Christie and Mr. Cuomo decided to impose the mandatory quarantines, officials said — essentially declaring that neither state trusted those potentially exposed to the deadly disease to wall themselves off from the rest of society.

Aides to Mr. Cuomo said the notion of a mandatory quarantine had always been considered as an option to contain the virus, and that the plan had been quietly vetted by attorneys and some public-health officials.

Neither governor notified the White House.

It did not take long for a test case to walk through the doors of Newark Liberty International Airport. Ms. Hickox, who had treated Ebola patients in West Africa, arrived at around 1 p.m. Friday, and immediately became ensnared in the new regime.

In a way, the NBC episode worked to New Jersey’s benefit. Because of it, Mr. Christie and his aides had already developed a legal framework for mandatory quarantines, which they applied to Ms. Hickox.

The benefits, supporters said, were clear: soothing public concerns with more aggressive monitoring at the front end and sparing officials from exhaustive retracing after the fact.

For Mr. Cuomo, though, embracing the policy proved somewhat complicated. Earlier this month, he cast decisions on screening procedures as “a federal issue.” In a news conference announcing Dr. Spencer’s positive test on Thursday, Mr. Cuomo appeared beside Mr. de Blasio and health officials to urge calm. (The city said Sunday that Dr. Spencer “looks better than he looked yesterday.” He remained in serious but stable condition.)

By Friday, at his announcement with Mr. Christie, the tone had changed starkly.

“In a region like this,” Mr. Cuomo said, “you go out one, two or three times, you ride the subway, you ride a bus, you could affect hundreds and hundreds of people.”

City officials, who were not consulted on the two governors’ decision, learned of it as the public did: on television, on Twitter and in breaking news clips that begin filling their inboxes, administration officials said. A room-to-room scramble began at City Hall: Who, senior aides asked, had been briefed about this? The answer was no one.

Mr. de Blasio has been careful to say that states were within their rights to set such policies. But administration officials, including Dr. Mary T. Bassett, the health commissioner were livid. Others close to the mayor said Mr. Cuomo had recklessly pierced the fragile calm the city had worked to establish in the immediate aftermath of Dr. Spencer’s positive test and took particular issue with the governor’s comments about public transportation.

At the White House, Obama administration officials said they sought repeatedly to persuade Mr. Christie and Mr. Cuomo to walk back the quarantines, which they viewed as not just unnecessary but likely counterproductive. (Mr. Christie insisted on Sunday that he had “gotten absolutely no contact” from the White House at a fund-raiser in Florida.)

The decisions by the states, White House officials and others warned, could hamstring the effort to staff up to 17 Ebola treatment units that American military personnel are building in Liberia. American health officials had already been facing the difficult task of finding volunteers to go to the hardest hit countries to staff the hospitals, and have accepted help from foreign nationals, including Cuba, to aid the effort.

“It’s a big concern,” said James P. Mitchum, chief executive officer of the charity Heart to Heart International, which has begun training workers at the International Medical Corps treatment unit in Bong County, Liberia. “Every time someone tightens that noose, health workers from the United States say, ‘Well, I’m not sure it’s worth that sacrifice.’”

A senior official, who spoke on background to discuss private discussions with state officials on the issue, called the governors’ plan “uncoordinated, very hurried, an immediate reaction to the New York City case that doesn’t comport with science.”

But Mr. Cuomo and Mr. Christie were not out on their own for long. Late Friday, Gov. Pat Quinn of Illinois, a Democrat, issued a mandatory quarantine order for “high-risk” individuals who have come in contact with patients in West Africa. On Saturday, Gov. Rick Scott of Florida, a Republican, signed a similar order.

On Sunday morning, Mr. Christie predicted on Fox News that federal officials would adopt the same standards “sooner rather than later.”

The Obama administration suggested otherwise. Officials said the quarantine rules could create “a system of perverse incentives,” encouraging health care workers to fly into a different airport, like Atlanta or Washington Dulles, that is not located in states that have adopted new policies.

On Sunday afternoon, President Obama gathered top advisers for a meeting at the White House to work on a new, nationwide standard for returning health care workers. That policy is likely to advise against a total quarantine of those returning workers, a senior administration official said.

A group of scientists, public health experts and other opponents of the mandatory quarantine addressed a letter on Sunday to Mr. Cuomo, urging him to end the policy.

Ms. Hickox, the nurse, has retained a civil rights lawyer to challenge the quarantine order and get her out of isolation. In the interview with CNN, Ms. Hickox said officials had not informed her what they planned to do next or why they were isolating her despite her showing no symptoms.
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cuz1961

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I predict within 72 hours, she'll be ducking out to get some soup.

,, ya,,, probably take the subway too ! ,, and a cab home.

and taking 'selfies' of big humane and brave hugs with everyone she meets who recognizes her.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Sooner or later some honest Public Health Officer/Nurse is going to order REAL quarantine and THEN the fat WILL be in the fire.
 

cuz1961

Membership Revoked
the governors’ plan “uncoordinated, very hurried, an immediate reaction to the New York City case that doesn’t comport with science.”


so,, the governors' plan,,, quarantine, isolation ,,, doesn't comport with science huh ?

..oh ya i forgot,,, quarantine spreads disease ! , and MOON , that spells disease.

(,,wow,,, that rain on my leg smells bad.)
 
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Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
I'm surprised the Government lets people quarantine in their own home. Keep an eye on this to see what is really going on - not believing what they say.
 

cuz1961

Membership Revoked
Ms. Hickox, the nurse, has retained

a civil rights lawyer

to challenge the quarantine order and get her out of isolation




ya,,, cuz quarantine and isolation are RACIST !


MOON, that spells racist !

( just shoot me now,,, please !, cuz the stupidity , it burns ! )
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Naw bet it was the cost. If you quarantine someone, you have to provide food, healthcare, living space etc - just like if they were in jail. Isolation, you don't. I read an article on here that 30 HCW a week come back from Africa. That is a pretty hefty tab and a lot of individual spaces to create. You can't quarantine them together. What is one of them does manifest the disease and infects others who did not have it. Huge liability.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
You knew Cuomo would cave... He's useless.

I amazes me when they say quarantine doesn't work and it would cause unintended consequences, like HCW flying into airports not under such strict orders. Well no sh**, that's why it should already be a nationwide order coming out of the White House, but that's not PC. Lets worry about everyone's feelings while they spread Ebola all over the place. What the heck do they think has worked for thousands of years.
 

ejagno

Veteran Member
This is so wrong on so many levels. First of all it was HER decision to go to a foreign country to assist patients with a deadly disease. Now we are going to pay her lost wages along with untold thousands of dollars to keep her stupid ass from infecting others here in our country? And now the quarantine has basically just been lifted since it sounds like people will be free to come and go at random. All so that these goons look good at the polls!
 

AddisonRose

On loan from Heaven
Obama was looking for a catalyst to get the governors to back down...found it in her. Die hard Democrat, affiliated with the CDC from articles I have read and since been scrubbed from the 'net. Fell right into Obama's lap. One can only hope....and I will leave it at that.
 
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