WEATHER Crazy heat in Europe -- 360 die in Spain
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mzkitty
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In the 50's in Siberia:
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Abe Froman
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If our world “leaders” don’t get their collective crap together, it’s gonna be over 2,500 degrees in a lot of major cities.
mzkitty
I give up.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
You need to know a couple of things:
In places like Ireland and the UK, the elderly and those with health issues can start to die when it gets over 80 because of the nearly 100 percent humidity but mostly because the houses are built to retain heat and almost no one has airconditioning. England is expected to get up to as high as 107F on Monday, that is why they declared a heat emergency - the commuter and regular trains will probably stop running because the tracks fail and the main roads start to melt, they simply are not made to withstand those temperatures.
In Southern Europe Portugal, Spain and Italy have been as high as 117! Forest fires are starting everywhere and the power grids are overloaded. They are not in India where people are used to things getting that hot for a few days on occasion.
This is way hotter than normal, and in Southern Europe up into Germany and France, Summers can get hot enough normally that before airconditioning most places shut down for the entire month of August and people fled to the sea shore. Even in the 19th century, it was cheaper to shut the factories than have to bury the workers, even the robber barons knew that.
Ireland may break all records for modern times (about 150 years) by going up above 90 on Monday, we shall see. It is already pretty uncomfortable at 78 to 80, again because of the humidity and the way the houses are built.
A few years ago, France had a similar (but not quite as bad) heatwave in August and hundreds of elderly people died. Their families had all gone to the seashore and they just died in droves in the old apartments with no AC or sometimes even fans. Now, the French still take the month-long vacation but it is staggered and hospitals have to maintain almost full strength during all the Summer months.
So you just can't compare even Southern Europe to say Mississippi or New Mexico in terms of heat, the temperatures and humidity may be the same as Mississippi but the buildings are all built to stay warm in Northern Europe, and in the South, they expect 80 to 90 degrees not 105 to 117!
In places like Ireland and the UK, the elderly and those with health issues can start to die when it gets over 80 because of the nearly 100 percent humidity but mostly because the houses are built to retain heat and almost no one has airconditioning. England is expected to get up to as high as 107F on Monday, that is why they declared a heat emergency - the commuter and regular trains will probably stop running because the tracks fail and the main roads start to melt, they simply are not made to withstand those temperatures.
In Southern Europe Portugal, Spain and Italy have been as high as 117! Forest fires are starting everywhere and the power grids are overloaded. They are not in India where people are used to things getting that hot for a few days on occasion.
This is way hotter than normal, and in Southern Europe up into Germany and France, Summers can get hot enough normally that before airconditioning most places shut down for the entire month of August and people fled to the sea shore. Even in the 19th century, it was cheaper to shut the factories than have to bury the workers, even the robber barons knew that.
Ireland may break all records for modern times (about 150 years) by going up above 90 on Monday, we shall see. It is already pretty uncomfortable at 78 to 80, again because of the humidity and the way the houses are built.
A few years ago, France had a similar (but not quite as bad) heatwave in August and hundreds of elderly people died. Their families had all gone to the seashore and they just died in droves in the old apartments with no AC or sometimes even fans. Now, the French still take the month-long vacation but it is staggered and hospitals have to maintain almost full strength during all the Summer months.
So you just can't compare even Southern Europe to say Mississippi or New Mexico in terms of heat, the temperatures and humidity may be the same as Mississippi but the buildings are all built to stay warm in Northern Europe, and in the South, they expect 80 to 90 degrees not 105 to 117!
Those are terrible temps, Melodi. It reached somewhere around 85-90 when I was in North Yorkshire. The British are used to cooler temps and these really are life threatening. They don't have the heat tolerance, clothing or homes to deal with high temps. (Or they didn't when I was there.)
It's not just a European thing, it's not just a Southern thing, and it is not a brand new thing.
wiki,
The July 1995 Chicago heat wave led to 739 heat-related deaths in Chicago over a period of five days.[1] Most of the victims of the heat wave were elderly poor residents of the city, who could not afford air conditioning and did not open windows or sleep outside for fear of crime.[2] The heat wave also heavily impacted the wider Midwestern region, with additional deaths in both St. Louis, Missouri[3] and Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[4]
The temperatures soared to record highs in July with the hottest weather occurring from July 12 to July 16. The high of 106 °F (41 °C) on July 13 was the second warmest July temperature (warmest being 110 °F (43 °C) set on July 23, 1934) since records began at Chicago Midway International Airport in 1928. Nighttime low temperatures were unusually high — in the upper 70s and lower 80s °F (about 26 °C).
The humidity made a large difference for the heat in this heat wave when compared to the majority of those of the 1930s, 1988, 1976–78 and 1954–56, which were powered by extremely hot, dry, bare soil and/or air masses which had originated in the desert Southwest. Each of the above-mentioned years' summers did have high-humidity heat waves as well, although 1988 was a possible exception in some areas. Moisture from previous rains and transpiration by plants drove up the humidity to record levels and the moist humid air mass originated over Iowa previous to and during the early stages of the heat wave. Numerous stations in Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois and elsewhere reported record dew point temperatures above 80 °F (27 °C) with a peak at 90 °F (32 °C) with an air temperature of 104 °F (40 °C) making for a 153 °F (67 °C) heat index reported from at least one station in Wisconsin (Appleton)[5] at 5:00 pm local time on the afternoon of 14 July 1995, a probable record for the Western Hemisphere; this added to the heat to cause heat indices above 130 °F (54 °C) in Iowa and southern Wisconsin on several days of the heat wave as the sun bore down from a cloudless sky and evaporated even more water seven days in a row.
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1995 Chicago heat wave - Wikipedia
wiki,
The July 1995 Chicago heat wave led to 739 heat-related deaths in Chicago over a period of five days.[1] Most of the victims of the heat wave were elderly poor residents of the city, who could not afford air conditioning and did not open windows or sleep outside for fear of crime.[2] The heat wave also heavily impacted the wider Midwestern region, with additional deaths in both St. Louis, Missouri[3] and Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[4]
The temperatures soared to record highs in July with the hottest weather occurring from July 12 to July 16. The high of 106 °F (41 °C) on July 13 was the second warmest July temperature (warmest being 110 °F (43 °C) set on July 23, 1934) since records began at Chicago Midway International Airport in 1928. Nighttime low temperatures were unusually high — in the upper 70s and lower 80s °F (about 26 °C).
The humidity made a large difference for the heat in this heat wave when compared to the majority of those of the 1930s, 1988, 1976–78 and 1954–56, which were powered by extremely hot, dry, bare soil and/or air masses which had originated in the desert Southwest. Each of the above-mentioned years' summers did have high-humidity heat waves as well, although 1988 was a possible exception in some areas. Moisture from previous rains and transpiration by plants drove up the humidity to record levels and the moist humid air mass originated over Iowa previous to and during the early stages of the heat wave. Numerous stations in Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois and elsewhere reported record dew point temperatures above 80 °F (27 °C) with a peak at 90 °F (32 °C) with an air temperature of 104 °F (40 °C) making for a 153 °F (67 °C) heat index reported from at least one station in Wisconsin (Appleton)[5] at 5:00 pm local time on the afternoon of 14 July 1995, a probable record for the Western Hemisphere; this added to the heat to cause heat indices above 130 °F (54 °C) in Iowa and southern Wisconsin on several days of the heat wave as the sun bore down from a cloudless sky and evaporated even more water seven days in a row.
more,
1995 Chicago heat wave - Wikipedia
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
Right. I fail to be impressed by the temps shown in this thread.
stop tyranny
Veteran Member
If someone was conspiracy minded, they may come to the conclusion worlds weather is being manipulated. Depopulation, deliberate wars, rigged elections, intentional devaluation of world currencies, skyrocketing energy costs, the push for "so called" renewable clean energy, and a large percentage of the world's population injected with a dangerous bioweapon. Some may even notice the chemtrails no longer showing up in some areas and appearing in new areas. A conspiracy minded person may come to the conclusion that all these things are happening in conjunction with each other for a desired outcome. Or maybe the world has become so immoral and evil that they are feeling the rath and being given a chance to change course before the final judgement.
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
See that's where I draw the damn line!
No coffee? Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Ahhh...no.
First I get the coffee, then I do the things. No coffee = no things.
Bottom line.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Because you live in a place where it does this nearly every year and houses, public buildings, and hospitals are all set up to deal with it.
The roads don't melt because they built to take it, also the trains, people know and understand from childhood they have to keep drinking water or ice tea even if they don't feel like it, they know the signs of heat exhaustion and heat stroke.
In normal years (not an energy crisis) the grid is set up to handle millions of people using AC and people usually learn the tricks on how to cope without it when they have to in childhood.
None of that is true here, the NHS (UK health service) is already in a panic over keeping patients cool and not having people die on them because the wards don't have air conditioning or even fans. During a previous heat wave about 20 years ago, my then housemate drove all the way to England to buy a window air conditioner for his dying mother because there were no air conditioners to be had in Ireland that were not commercial ones, mostly for IT computer centers.
I could go on and on, but it isn't the number on the thermometer that is the problem, it is the extreme lack of facilities and infrastructure to cope. There was a heatwave almost this bad in England the year I married Nightwolf, and the city had to shut down most of the cafes and restaurants because food service practices that were normally safe could become killers, again no air conditioning meant that food was going off almost as soon as it hit the table (from a commercial viewpoint).
I've spent a Summer in Mississippi without air conditioning so I know how to cope with 100 degrees and 100 percent humidity, my apartment also had 8-foot high ceilings, two porches, a breezeway, and trees - it was built in the 1930s.
Unlike Marth, I am finding the 78 degrees or so this evening rather pleasant, but I don't expect to find 90 degrees plus pleasant once the house totally heats up and turns into an oven. Even outside won't be much better, although in 2005 we did sit outside with Sangria and toast global warming during a previous heat wave.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Because it usually isn't 117 degrees plus, with tinder-dry forests from a long drought and the rivers have started to dry up so there isn't a lot of water to fight them with.
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
Yup this is where I am
I had to drink an iced coffee earlier like a damn metrosexual
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Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
Thats cause you live in a place where sweat evaporates instead of sitting on the skin boiling you alive.
Its like being in a Louisana swamp without the glimmer of hope that a gator will end the torture.
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I don't think they can do much about it.
mzkitty
I give up.
Meanwhile in Antarctica it's like minus 86.
Article at link:
earthobservatory.nasa.gov
Article at link:
Heatwaves and Fires Scorch Europe, Africa, and Asia
In summer 2022, multiple heatwaves around the world felled temperature records and fueled wildfires.
Pebbles
Veteran Member
Like many have said, a big part of this is truly the weather to which your body has acclimated. Our son and DIL just came to visit. They live in Ghana, Africa, which is tropical weather on the equator. We are in Arizona. They were a bit cold while they were here. Temps were 100 degrees with 14% humidity.
When we visit family in Southern California, their humidity is hard on us. It is usually about 88 degrees but 35% humidity. For me 100 degrees and 5% humidity is comfy. I also have a modern house with AC.
When we visit family in Southern California, their humidity is hard on us. It is usually about 88 degrees but 35% humidity. For me 100 degrees and 5% humidity is comfy. I also have a modern house with AC.
Samuel Adams
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pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
Yup theres is where I am
I had to drink an iced coffee earlier like a damn metrosexual
ALRIGHTYTHEN
That's it! Everyone out the pool!
If a MAN in Ireland is forced.....FORCED to drink iced coffee? Y'all....I just don't think this is tolerable. Not at all.
This has to stop least our lad Marthanoir starts to act manky.
Well, all I can recomend as a suitable substitute is sweet iced tea. You see, here in the Southeast (accept for FL, what up with un-sweet tea y'all <tisk> ? ) we have this magical ritual wherein there are few steps to blissful happiness.
Since you don't have the proper amount of sun we will start with one cup of hot tea.
-you do still drink tea in Ireland?
My God I hope so! Anywho, take that one cup of hot tea (sweetened while hot and no milk! I mean, that's going to bag the holy show? right! on with it)
Take a large drinking glass, like the ones you put the black stuff in, and fill that right up to the top with ice.
Next, pour the hot and sweet tea over the iced pint glass.
Fill the glass with water, give it a stir, and sit back knowing that your man card is no longer in danger.
Whew, that was a close one mate. I bout went over the gate on this one.
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Heat Index Calculator
Air temp of 90 degrees with 90% humidity gives you a Heat Index of 122 degrees F.
Air temp of 100 degrees with 90% humidity equals a Heat Index: 176°F (80°C) Extreme danger: at this condition, heat stroke is imminent
I've been in the Saudi Arabian desert when it was 120+ heat......THAT IS FRIGGEN HOT!! Unbelievable! You don't move, you can't do anything but suffer and pray for night.
Air temp of 90 degrees with 90% humidity gives you a Heat Index of 122 degrees F.
Air temp of 100 degrees with 90% humidity equals a Heat Index: 176°F (80°C) Extreme danger: at this condition, heat stroke is imminent
I've been in the Saudi Arabian desert when it was 120+ heat......THAT IS FRIGGEN HOT!! Unbelievable! You don't move, you can't do anything but suffer and pray for night.
So Dubai is having a cold snap, eh? I remember being there when it hit 115f but low humidity and everyone just goes from AC car to AC building. No big deal. Kinda like Phoenix. I will take their weather over a humid 90 any day.
I am very sorry for those people in areas that are having horrid heat without being set up for it.
intothatgoodnight
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Or, both.
Are you personally "conspiracy minded," or still "sitting on the fence" about this issue?
intothegoodnight
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
ALRIGHTYTHEN
That's it! Everyone out the pool!
If a MAN in Ireland is forced.....FORCED to drink iced coffee? Y'all....I just don't think this is tolerable. Not at all.
This has to stop least our lad Marthanoir starts to act manky.
Well, all I can recomend as a suitable substitute is sweet iced tea. You see, here in the Southeast (accept for FL, what up with un-sweet tea y'all <tisk> ? ) we have this magical ritual wherein there are few steps to blissful happiness.
Since you don't have the proper amount of sun we will start with one cup of hot tea.
-you do still drink tea in Ireland?
My God I hope so! Anywho, take that one cup of hot tea (sweetened while hot and no milk! I mean, that's going to bag the holy show? right! on with it)
Take a large drinking glass, like the ones you put the black stuff in, and fill that right up to the top with ice.
Next, pour the hot and sweet tea over the iced pint glass.
Fill the glass with water, give it a stir, and sit back knowing that your man card is no longer in danger.
Whew, that was a close one mate. I bout went over the gate on this one.
Oh yeah we have tae, good strong stuff too
Tomorrow and Monday are to be the hottest days so I might make a big jug of it
intothatgoodnight
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In Kuwait during GWI, walking along the deck of an M1A1 main battle tank, one might notice that they were leaving distinct sole marks behind - the contact temps of that steel deck would all but boil the synthetic material used on the bottom of one's shoes.Heat Index Calculator
Air temp of 90 degrees with 90% humidity gives you a Heat Index of 122 degrees F.
Air temp of 100 degrees with 90% humidity equals a Heat Index: 176°F (80°C) Extreme danger: at this condition, heat stroke is imminent
I've been in the Saudi Arabian desert when it was 120+ heat......THAT IS FRIGGEN HOT!! Unbelievable! You don't move, you can't do anything but suffer and pray for night.
Had to stay in the underground IT facilities, which were properly cooled - simply no other rational choice.
intothegoodnight
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Melodi
Disaster Cat
Marth, during times like this you can also make sun tea - I haven't done it this year but I often do. Just get a big clean glass jar, and put in a bunch of t-bags. Regular black tea works well, but so do some of the herb teas like Mint (especially fresh from the garden) or a few of the others. Fill the jar with water and set it on the porch in the sunlight - by afternoon you will have lovely sun-brewed tea. You remove the tea bags and pour them over a full glass of ice. You can also put the jar in the fridge or pour it into a plastic container and put it in the freezer.
I will never forget being in a restaurant in Cambridge England during that First Serious heat wave I experienced here because they were one of the only places in town with Air Conditioning. I tried to order Ice Tea and they had no idea what it was.
With my best Mississippi/Old Vicksburg accent I said, "How can you call yourselves the New Orleans Restaurant and not know how to make the national drink of the South!" They let me go back and show them how to do it after their first well-intended but miserable attempt at it.
I had worked in several food places in Hattiesburg that brewed their sweet tea, so I knew how to do it, though it was tricky without a dedicated "coffee" pot. Most places back then that made their own had a dedicated coffee pot that was ONLY used for tea - you either put in about 12 t bags or 1 giant commercial t bag and brewed it like coffee, then added it to giant tins of crushed ice.
The trick is to always put the sugar for sweet tea in along with the boiling water - added later to cold tea it will never melt properly. I can't have a lot of sugar so I always make mine without it uness it is a special treat.
Ah, the memories...
I will never forget being in a restaurant in Cambridge England during that First Serious heat wave I experienced here because they were one of the only places in town with Air Conditioning. I tried to order Ice Tea and they had no idea what it was.
With my best Mississippi/Old Vicksburg accent I said, "How can you call yourselves the New Orleans Restaurant and not know how to make the national drink of the South!" They let me go back and show them how to do it after their first well-intended but miserable attempt at it.
I had worked in several food places in Hattiesburg that brewed their sweet tea, so I knew how to do it, though it was tricky without a dedicated "coffee" pot. Most places back then that made their own had a dedicated coffee pot that was ONLY used for tea - you either put in about 12 t bags or 1 giant commercial t bag and brewed it like coffee, then added it to giant tins of crushed ice.
The trick is to always put the sugar for sweet tea in along with the boiling water - added later to cold tea it will never melt properly. I can't have a lot of sugar so I always make mine without it uness it is a special treat.
Ah, the memories...
You must have missed the picture Dennis posted a week or so ago of the road melting.