CHAT Covid is going to have to take a back seat

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Shit will hit the fan in 3 weeks ...

Think that extra $600 in unemployment benefits will last until the end of July? Think again.


Think that extra $600 in unemployment benefits will last until the end of July? Think again.
Many out-of-work Americans counting on receiving an extra $600 a week through the end of July may be surprised to discover that benefit will disappear nearly a week earlier than they expected.

The additional $600 in weekly jobless benefits provided by the federal government is officially set to end July 31. But states will pay it only through the week ending July 25 or July 26, a significant blow to unemployed workers counting on that money to bolster state benefits that average just $370 a week.

"The (Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation) $600 can be paid for weeks ending no later than the week ending prior to Friday, July 31, 2020,'' the U.S. Department of Labor said in a statement. "For all states except (New York), that is Saturday, July 25th. New York’s end date is Sunday, July 26th."

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The confusion lies in the fine print. Unemployment benefits are paid by states on a weekly or biweekly basis with a defined end date on Saturday or Sunday. But the federal legislation known as the CARES Act, which authorized the additional compensation, says the benefit will end “on or before July 31” – a Friday.

That means, given the payment schedules of most states, the last week of the extra $600 payments will end the prior Saturday or Sunday. A Trump administration official said the CARES Act legislation is inaccurate as written. Efforts to reach lawmakers who participated in drafting the legislation were unsuccessful.

The technicality apparently led to confusion, with some states mistakenly listing July 31 as the end date, including New York.

New York state's department of labor said it would switch the end date on its website for the additional $600 benefit from July 31 to the week ending July 26 after USA TODAY inquired about it.

To avoid any confusion, Alabama's Department of Labor said it will alert those who receive benefits that their extra income bump will end after July 25.

“We will be messaging it at least two weeks in advance,” Tara Hutchison, a spokeswoman for the state's labor department, said in an email.

$600 was crucial to many
The extra weekly payment of $600 is part of the CARES Act, a $1.8 trillion package Congress passed to help the nation weather the economic storm brought by the coronavirus pandemic, which shuttered businesses, slowed spending and erased a staggering 22 million jobs in just two months.

In 13 weeks, 45.7 million people filed first-time claims for jobless benefits as the unemployment rate soared to 13.3%, close to the highest level since the Great Depression.

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The extra $600 payment provided a vital boost, significantly increasing the assistance to those who had lost work. And even economists expected it to last through the end of July.

"We’ve all being saying it’s July 31st, but it’s not,'' says Heidi Shierholz, senior economist and director of policy for the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute.

Checks that are $600 lighter will mean that already struggling Americans will have to pull their belts even tighter, economists say, and it may take even longer for the battered economy to regain its footing.

“This is one major thing helping the economy, and taking it away really negatively impacts on the broader economy, not to mention the individuals whose own circumstances have been much affected,” said Zach Schiller, research director for Policy Matters Ohio.

Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown told reporters Tuesday that it was important to continue the benefit at a time when the country is still dealing with the pandemic, especially as moratoriums lift on when renters can be evicted from their homes.

“It puts money in people’s pockets,” the Ohio Democrat said. “We’re going to see a massive number of people evicted.”

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For Melissa Rusk of Bradenton, Florida, the thought of losing the $600 federal subsidy for even one week is almost too much to bear.

"I would say it’s just about life or death in some situations," she said. "It can potentially mean the difference between being able to help my husband pay bills like groceries or the car payment."

Rusk, 36, lost her job at a recreational vehicle rental facility at the end of April. Her husband still works a warehouse job, but his income doesn't cover the expenses for their family of six, which includes four children ages 7 to 18.

Without the federal subsidy, and with the numbers of new coronavirus infections skyrocketing in Florida, Rusk fears she will be forced to take a customer-facing job that could put her family, including her mother who has heart disease, COPD and diabetes, at risk for contracting COVID-19.

"I would have to literally put my life at risk and just take the chance and hope to God that I don’t get sick," she said.

The earlier-than-anticipated ending of the program will likely put more pressure on Congress in July when lawmakers plan to negotiate another possible coronavirus emergency package.

"Lawmakers think they have until the end of July to figure this out,'' says Shierholz, "but they don’t."

Attempts to get a comment from the legislation's sponsor, Rep. Joe Courtney (D-Connecticut) and Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) on Thursday were unsuccessful.

When asked about the early termination of the program, a Senate Democratic aide who did not want to be identified because they were not authorized to talk said it was an example of why Democrats have been pushing for an extension and considering the possibility of automatically tying the benefits to the condition of the economy.

Democrats have made extending unemployment one of their priorities, but Republicans have been skeptical, noting that some Americans are making more on unemployment than they were at their jobs and that businesses trying to reopen are having trouble rehiring.

"The federal government will meet its obligation under the CARES Act. Any phase four economic package must prioritize pro-growth economic measures that incentivize employers and our great American workforce for re-employment and a return to the labor market," Judd Deere, White House deputy press secretary, said in a statement to USA TODAY.

House Democrats in May narrowly passed a $3 trillion coronavirus package that among other things would extend the $600 boosted unemployment assistance until January.

But the bill was considered a nonstarter by the Republican-controlled Senate, whose leaders argued more time was needed to examine how the trillions already passed were working and what needs remain as the country started to reopen. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called it a “liberal wish list” at the time.

Since then, top Democrats have continued to point to the Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act, or the HEROES Act, pressuring the Senate to take up the measure.

“They say they don't want to do unemployment insurance,'' House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said at a news conference last week about the need for more legislation to address the pandemic. "This is the 13th week that we've had over a million people applying for unemployment.''

But Republicans have been reluctant to approve an extension to unemployment across the board, with some wanting reforms or other changes as part of any forthcoming package.

“We need to go back to the CARES Act, do some tailoring, really understand who's hurting out there, who really over the last three months made far less money than they did last year,'' Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., said on Tuesday.

Phylicia Darice, 30, of Chattanooga, Tennessee, has yet to receive any unemployment benefits since she applied in mid-April after being furloughed.

She says no one from the Tennessee Department of Labor and Workforce Development informed her that the CARES Act supplement would end July 25, though she has called the department roughly 100 times to ask about the progress of her claim.

"That's kind of frustrating, that you keep going through it, and then you feel like you're being lied to," Darice said.

Darice, who worked in retail customer service, may be able to return to work at the end of July, but with the virus still spreading, the future is uncertain. After weeks without income or unemployment benefits, she is stretched thin financially, she says. Losing a week of supplemental money will have a significant impact on her household.

"I realize $600 may not be much to some, but you're talking about the livelihood for someone eating for ... a couple of weeks," Darice said. "Or making sure rent is paid for August, because nothing is guaranteed."
 

lakemom

Veteran Member
Shit will hit the fan in 3 weeks ...

Think that extra $600 in unemployment benefits will last until the end of July? Think again.


Democrats have made extending unemployment one of their priorities, but Republicans have been skeptical, noting that some Americans are making more on unemployment than they were at their jobs and that businesses trying to reopen are having trouble rehiring.

There are help wanted signs out at a LOT of businesses here. These are mostly minimum wage jobs. They can't find workers because people make more money from unemployment than they do working their jobs.

Academy limits the number of people in the store to 50. Not because of capacity, but because they don't have enough employees. The manager stated that if anyone was looking for a job, to please send them his way as he was in desperate need of warm bodies.
 

Signwatcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
DD got a job at a distribution warehouse a couple of weeks ago. She pulled $32/hr on the 4th doing a 12 hr shift. The place is VERY short handed due to Covid unemployment. Mandatory overtime is the norm. They can't make her for 30 days.

Last night it was so hot she started to have heat stroke issues and informed the manager who directed her to ice packs. Told her to take as long as she needed and not rush or push herself. She's a good worker and they don't want to lose the good ones.

I wonder if they will take back the Covid unemployed when the gravy train derails?
 

kochevnik

Senior Member
It already took a back seat to Black Lives Matter.

That's about to change.

The only thing keeping this nation from burning to the ground is all that free money. You think things are sporty now ? When that money stops all hell is going to break loose. By some estimates 7+ million households (15 million people) are going to be evicted in the next 30 days. That's a 3000 percent increase in the number of homeless in the USA, and that is NOT counting the 3 million young'uns who have moved back in with their parents in the last 90 days.

Watch that money - it will give you about 90 to 180 days notice on total chaos.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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When the crap will really hit the fan is when all those people find out that all of that money is taxable including that extra special $600 a week. Depending on how careful they are and how long they got it, they'll likely be boosted into a higher tax bracket. Same thing happened when Ocare and all of his other free crap started creating problems. I can remember the shock when people realized that on many levels that "free stuff isn't really free." Same with the households being boosted by $1200+ dollars per adult and $500 per kid. Gonna be "fun" to see if any of that additional money pushes them out of other programs that they were dependent on.

Free stuff isn't really free.
 

DragonBurrow

Contributing Member
Here in Colorado if you will walk in the door of a shop you will make good money for the position. Good enough that people at my current job are looking. A friend’s 16 year old had to learn the life lesson of what to do if you get too many job offers at once because Everyone wanted the kid who had never worked before. We are also a huge call center hub and for one week of training on site you can work at home still. In many places there are jobs but why work when they get their benefits plus a bonus similar to my take home pay. I work for less than they make and they get to play. We will see if that changes with the cash flow tightening up.
 

JasmineAndLace

Senior Member
I understand that the extra $600 a week has helped many people. On the other hand, many are getting more money on unemployment than they make working so it is getting harder and harder to hire workers in our area. There is no incentive to work when you can get that much just staying at home. I'm thinking that around the first of August, when this extra hand out ends, we will be flooded with people just begging for jobs.
 

billet

Veteran Member
That's about to change.

The only thing keeping this nation from burning to the ground is all that free money. You think things are sporty now ? When that money stops all hell is going to break loose. By some estimates 7+ million households (15 million people) are going to be evicted in the next 30 days. That's a 3000 percent increase in the number of homeless in the USA, and that is NOT counting the 3 million young'uns who have moved back in with their parents in the last 90 days.

Watch that money - it will give you about 90 to 180 days notice on total chaos.
Yup. That road that they were kickin' the can down turns out to be a dead end real soon!
Buckle up!
 

Practical

Veteran Member
For the 'protesting unemployed', I don't think they will be fussed much about losing the 600, they can just supplement their needs through violent reparations, whitey owes them even if they are white themselves.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Practical, so all the currently involuntarily unemployed in the US are former welfare recipients and not people that had real jobs? I didn't know that...

I think COVID 19 will only "stand aside" if it naturally starts to decline or the mutations continue to trend towards the lethal varieties (viruses often do this, they can infect more people if the "hosts" don't die on them too quickly).

Otherwise - well Trump tried to "make a deal" with the virus to be "gone before Easter" saying he had "let it" have its run (or whatever words to that effect) and now it was time to leave.

The Virus obviously didn't sign on to that agreement, I think what is more likely to happen instead; is that unless the virus decides on its own to become less lethal; then it will be COVID 19 AND other big stories like formerly middle-class folks sleeping in the cars and the current build-up to WWIII.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Lies:
The extra weekly payment of $600 is part of the CARES Act, a $1.8 trillion package Congress passed to help the nation weather the economic storm brought by the coronavirus pandemic, which shuttered businesses, slowed spending and erased a staggering 22 million jobs in just two months.

Truth:
The extra weekly payment of $600 is part of the CARES Act, a $1.8 trillion package Congress passed to help the nation weather the economic storm brought by the democarp Machiavellian response to the alleged coronavirus pandemic, which shuttered businesses, slowed spending and erased a staggering 22 million jobs in just two months.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
That's about to change.

The only thing keeping this nation from burning to the ground is all that free money. You think things are sporty now ? When that money stops all hell is going to break loose. By some estimates 7+ million households (15 million people) are going to be evicted in the next 30 days. That's a 3000 percent increase in the number of homeless in the USA, and that is NOT counting the 3 million young'uns who have moved back in with their parents in the last 90 days.

Watch that money - it will give you about 90 to 180 days notice on total chaos.
This I can agree with. Once the benefits stop, you have a 2-3 week panic period in which every politician will pay attention. The question is will the Senate cave and extend them and at what rate?
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
When the crap will really hit the fan is when all those people find out that all of that money is taxable including that extra special $600 a week. Depending on how careful they are and how long they got it, they'll likely be boosted into a higher tax bracket. Same thing happened when Ocare and all of his other free crap started creating problems. I can remember the shock when people realized that on many levels that "free stuff isn't really free." Same with the households being boosted by $1200+ dollars per adult and $500 per kid. Gonna be "fun" to see if any of that additional money pushes them out of other programs that they were dependent on.

Free stuff isn't really free.
To be clear, you are mixing taxable with non-taxable.

The $1200 + $500 per child is NOT TAXABLE. You can verify this on the IRS websites. I know this is different than anything we have ever experienced, but it is accurate.

The Unemployment being taxable is a problem we have had with almost every single person we dealt with. They all believe we are nuts when we tell them it is taxable and do they want to withhold. The all say nope! It is going to be a problem next year.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I understand that the extra $600 a week has helped many people. On the other hand, many are getting more money on unemployment than they make working so it is getting harder and harder to hire workers in our area. There is no incentive to work when you can get that much just staying at home. I'm thinking that around the first of August, when this extra hand out ends, we will be flooded with people just begging for jobs.

What is worse, I was working with a client who was telling me that all the people who worked at here real estate office were taking unemployment and still were making weekly sales...... lots of people taking at both ends.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Didn't receive the stimulus, and didn't get the $600 per week. Still have excellent credit.
No sympathy here, and $600/week is significantly more than I've made in most jobs I've held.

Agree, this is going to be a shit show. How dare .gov stop the money, and how dare the property owners evict them. Between deliberate damage done by angry tenants, and the inability of broke owners to even afford regular maintenance, apt. buildings will become uninhabitable. I don't see how you can evict people without police. I don't see mass evictions happening in this riotous climate.

Does anyone else see this heading straight into nationalization?
Covid was a Communist plot.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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To be clear, you are mixing taxable with non-taxable.

The $1200 + $500 per child is NOT TAXABLE. You can verify this on the IRS websites. I know this is different than anything we have ever experienced, but it is accurate.

The Unemployment being taxable is a problem we have had with almost every single person we dealt with. They all believe we are nuts when we tell them it is taxable and do they want to withhold. The all say nope! It is going to be a problem next year.

Yep, I remember you telling me before. Sorry. I still think it will have a net effect based on some conversations I've had. They may not tax it per se but it will be treated as income, especially by agencies that looking at incomes for sliding scale entitlements.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Yep, I remember you telling me before. Sorry. I still think it will have a net effect based on some conversations I've had. They may not tax it per se but it will be treated as income, especially by agencies that looking at incomes for sliding scale entitlements.
Not an issue. It is the first time that I can think of in 50+ years that something like that is not taxable. So it is understandable.

I can not vouch for the entitlements as I don't normally deal with those types.

As far as counting it as income, I really won't know that answer until November when we get an update and training on the matter. I can answer better then.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Didn't receive the stimulus, and didn't get the $600 per week. Still have excellent credit.
No sympathy here, and $600/week is significantly more than I've made in most jobs I've held.

Agree, this is going to be a shit show. How dare .gov stop the money, and how dare the property owners evict them. Between deliberate damage done by angry tenants, and the inability of broke owners to even afford regular maintenance, apt. buildings will become uninhabitable. I don't see how you can evict people without police. I don't see mass evictions happening in this riotous climate.

Does anyone else see this heading straight into nationalization?
Covid was a Communist plot.
Stopping the money is going to be an issue ....... I expect they will turn it back on at some point.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Didn't receive the stimulus, and didn't get the $600 per week. Still have excellent credit.
No sympathy here, and $600/week is significantly more than I've made in most jobs I've held.

Agree, this is going to be a shit show. How dare .gov stop the money, and how dare the property owners evict them. Between deliberate damage done by angry tenants, and the inability of broke owners to even afford regular maintenance, apt. buildings will become uninhabitable. I don't see how you can evict people without police. I don't see mass evictions happening in this riotous climate.

Does anyone else see this heading straight into nationalization?
Covid was a Communist plot.

Evict? What a load. De Santis extended the moratorium on evictions to Aug 1. At this moment we only have one person that we would like to evict and given the number of tenants we have that is only a half of a percent of our roster. That may change as July progresses but I'm pretty sure not at this time.

I just feel badly for landlords that are worse off and there are a lot of them that are that haven't been able to file because their property is federally backed in some way ... HUD mortgage, etc. None of ours are. My husband who worked in banking the first 17 years of our marriage was well aware of that "federally backed" trap.

I would hope - though hope isn't a plan - that people would learn to have a larger rainy day savings instead of living paycheck to paycheck yet continue to buy things on credit, etc. I sympathize - my parents are in something of a fix because of this with their restricted income level - but it just isn't smart to allow someone to have that kind of control over your quality of life.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
My personal opinion is that it is a bankster plot.
Can't prove it. Can't even come up with a reasonable conspiracy theory that covers it.
It seems pretty clear that the monetary ponzi scheme had arrived at its natural conclusion
and those in charge of it needed a global crisis to take the population to the next phase.

forget corona. forget BLM,
they need people locked down. they need a reason for failure of the supply chain. they need large segments of the population to be "unemployed. They need the government to issue large amounts of unbacked "currency".
The first stage of lock down was just not good enough. There will be a second and it will be more expansive if they have to release an even deadlier virus to do it.

Just remember . . . happy thoughts!
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
My dumb shit ex is two months behind on his rent, praise be to God that I am no longer financially associated with him. The only association I have is we have children together. The oldest realizes what a worthless mouth breather he is but the youngest still has trouble dealing with it, although his wife despises him.

As for the OP, it will be interesting, to say the least, to watch what happens. Most likely it will add more danger to our lives.

God is good, all the time.

Judy
 

waterdog

Senior Member
Many folks don't understand that in some states at the end of the rent moratorium that the past rent is due. They spent that rent money on fun and games. My baby brother is an elected constable in Texas and is tasked with legal evictions. He tells me that many of the tenants had the money to pay monthly rent "600.00 plus state unemployment. They just thought they were getting free rent for 3 months. Now they don't have the money to catch up on past due rent. My heart bleeds piss.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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My personal opinion is that it is a bankster plot.
Can't prove it. Can't even come up with a reasonable conspiracy theory that covers it.
It seems pretty clear that the monetary ponzi scheme had arrived at its natural conclusion
and those in charge of it needed a global crisis to take the population to the next phase.

forget corona. forget BLM,
they need people locked down. they need a reason for failure of the supply chain. they need large segments of the population to be "unemployed. They need the government to issue large amounts of unbacked "currency".
The first stage of lock down was just not good enough. There will be a second and it will be more expansive if they have to release an even deadlier virus to do it.

Just remember . . . happy thoughts!

Not a bank plot. The banks are already getting held over a pit of pointy sticks with the PPP loans. My understanding from talking to people at banks we own some stock in is that it was an "or else" backroom decision to become part of them because the SBA doesn't have the processing capability and they needed it out and processed fast. And if the loans blow up the banks may well be on the hook for at least some of the loss. That's why they were such PITAs about qualifications, etc. Their necks are on the block if something blows up.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Banks have a simple problem.

THERE IS NO MONEY. Just debt, and digital representations thereof, and about 5% of paper currency of the same sort.

Can you PAY OFF a debt with more debt? Gold is back over 1800 FRN$/ounce for a reason.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Not a bank plot. The banks are already getting held over a pit of pointy sticks with the PPP loans. My understanding from talking to people at banks we own some stock in is that it was an "or else" backroom decision to become part of them because the SBA doesn't have the processing capability and they needed it out and processed fast. And if the loans blow up the banks may well be on the hook for at least some of the loss. That's why they were such PITAs about qualifications, etc. Their necks are on the block if something blows up.
its going to blow up.
it is ponzi money, created out of thin air, which was paid to keep business employing workers that were not producing revenue.
how could it not blow up.
seriously
 
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