CORONA Covid-19: Herd Immunity+ No Antibodies+ Long Term Damage

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
here is the latest from dr chris martinson,
updates on covid19, is it even possible to achieve herd immunity, low incidence of antibodies in recovered, rising numbers of long term physical damage in the 'recovered', blood clots everywhere, younger age groups dying or permanently injured. some vaccine candidates pro and con

this is an excellent update with actual data, no opinions, BS or politics. we need to pay attention to what this thing does to the 'survivors' and stop focusing on a 'death count' to judge the seriousness. most will 'recover' but what is the long term permanent damage to our health? run time 48:39 worth every minute.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbfvEKE3vKk
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Sorry, my son who works for Advent in an acute care facility is not seeing these results. The number of deaths per infections have dropped precipitously. Most current infections are asymptomatic or symptoms that only last a couple of days. No lasting effects being noted for those that weren't already suffering from a co-morbidity. Many of those are with co-morbidities that weren't in check prior to infection and any illness could have made them fall off the cliff.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
personal individual observation of course is worth looking at but gathering as much data as possible from around the world and comparing has more weight scientifically. one persons experience or observatiuon can not be used as a template for everyone else. but you are entitled to your opinions.

the focus of my attention has been this virus has many facets to it and we are still learning what it does to the body. we are just recently finding out there are few recovered that have long term antibodies. that is a big deal for those who assume we will some day have herd immunity so just let everyone get infected. wont work if half of recovered have no antibodies/ immunity weeks or months later and can be reinfected and infect others. this is not the first report of this, there are multiple ones. it deserves to be examined and respected.

his data is from around the world, different strains, different results, different research reports and testing, different data, that is why his reports are so valuable. and he shows you where some 'reports' and experts' are lying using false data to paint a different picture for political reasons.

the experience of getting the virus and recovering is NOT the same for everyone. more and more evidence is coming out that there are long term permanent damage for people of ALL ages. just because it doesnt manifest in 2-4 weeks doesnt mean it never will. this is serious stuff--permanet damange to kidneys, heart, lungs, cenrtral nervous system with chroni pain , the brain, blood clot problems, this is still something new being discovered. time will show us more.

not trying to fight, you can dismiss this if you want but im looking for as much info as possible and collate to show the bigger picture of whats going on in all the facets.. i believe doing so will help us get better at dealing with it.


martinson gives a pretty damn good report.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Thanks for posting, I have it on the list to watch after 4 pm or this weekend, when Housemate doesn't need the full bandwidth for work (there's enough for me to web surf but not watch long videos).
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Given how stronly the media and the globalists have been pushing Wuhan flu as being so dangerous, if the OP were true it'd be all over the news constantly.
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
This is a good article by Sundance yesterday. In our county if you've been in contact with anyone who has been in contact with someone who has been in contact with.....you get the picture. It's contact tracing and it's not that you're positive although you're counted as such. AND you're quarantined for 2 weeks.

 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
This is a good article by Sundance yesterday. In our county if you've been in contact with anyone who has been in contact with someone who has been in contact with.....you get the picture. It's contact tracing and it's not that you're positive although you're counted as such. AND you're quarantined for 2 weeks.

There's speculation those 21,000,000 cell phone numbers that disappeared early this year in China were people who ditched their cell phones after seeing what the CCP did to their neighbors because of this exact type of contact tracing. China perfected it and was more than happy to export it to the US.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I just managed to listen over housemate's lunch hour, it was well presented, well thought out, as as well-sourced as anything I've seen anywhere.

It is also balanced and based on the evidence the guy can find, which as he points out (and Nightwolf can confirm) is becoming harder and harder to obtain.

Note, Nightwolf reached many of the same conclusions doing his own deep dive into various actual scientific papers and the like and he's never listened to this guy.

People may not LIKE the fact that actually, SO FAR the EVIDENCE shows that if EVERYONE who can wear a mask (even a simple one) then there is a lower infection rate in the generation population.

Yes, this probably IS true because the mask doesn't protect the wearer much (unless it is an N95 or above and worn properly) but it DOES protect other people - so places in Asia where people wearing masks often as a matter of routine (it is considered polite if you have even a head cold) do have to tend to have lower infection spread rates than those who don't.

That doesn't mean they don't have a problem, it just means the science so far is showing that mass mask-wearing in public helps (that doesn't mean wearing them in your car or while cross country skiing).

Much to the unhappiness of the Powers that Be, I suspect one reason some of the information is suppressed it the really deadly (to them) scientific research showing that: there may be NO HERD IMMUNITY in real terms because many people even who get fairly sick and more who stay asymptomatic - have no antibodies after 8 weeks or a bit longer.

If really sick people who seem to "recover" have no antibodies after as little as two months then "great plans" to bring in what amounts so "social credit scores" based on "COVID Immunity" fall to pieces - I am sure they will come with something else to try and force this down everyone's throat.

But I'm sure this is one reason the focus has gone from "COVID Passports" to "CONTACT Tracing" as the excuse because "they" know that the antibody thing may be DOA before it every fully arrives with a cheap and easy home or GP office test.

Anyway, that's my take away so far, ignore or accept as you will, as always do your own research.

Oh and I'm talking Nightwolf into a blog, we are just looking at the ins and outs of doing this without getting him in either legal trouble or simply bumped off the net.

If they will shadowban me on Amazon for a time for one really mild comment of support on Twitter when my book is that subversive tome: "The Happy Barn Cat," then the folks behind this attempt at social engineering are both desperate to try to keep control and likely failing.

That's what happen when societies morph from just rejecting things they don't like to reject people for having an opinion they might not like.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
There's speculation those 21,000,000 cell phone numbers that disappeared early this year in China were people who ditched their cell phones after seeing what the CCP did to their neighbors because of this exact type of contact tracing. China perfected it and was more than happy to export it to the US.
And we still don't know if those phones are gone because the people are dead or not; in China, almost everyone is pretty much required to have a phone (I'm sure the government subsides them).

To be without a phone, even for a peasant farmer, may mean not being able to buy foods, goods or services; travel on a bus or pretty much survive.

Basically they skipped the personal computer phase (too expensive) and went directly to "Smart" phones to "connect" the population (and control them).

Edited to add: Nightwolf confirmed for me weeks ago by doing the math that while 21 million sounds like a lot of people, it is pretty much the expected 2 percent death rate you would expect given the overall population of China (not just Wuhan but all of China).
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
I haven't listened to Martinson's latest video but will later. At my Dr. friend's hospital they are experiencing serious cognitive decline in patients over 60, 50% actually. So, lots of micro strokes in these patients.

As far as Marshall County Alabama goes, the cases we're seeing now seem to be exploding. In the church I use to attend it is running through it like a wild fire. So far very unhealthy co-morbidity cases apparently are getting through it.

Everyone must remember the out comes are highly regionalized. All of my Dr. friend's patients( Florida) that were admitted to the hospital from NYC died, locally not so much.

If we were to judge this virus by the deaths in Marshall County Alabama, it would be a big nothing burger for the general population. So far out of a county of 94,000 population with 1,600 known cases 10 have died in 6 months. I don't know the circumstances of those deaths, they may have been old or bad health to begin with.
 

rolenrock

Senior Member
And we still don't know if those phones are gone because the people are dead or not; in China, almost everyone is pretty much required to have a phone (I'm sure the government subsides them).

To be without a phone, even for a peasant farmer, may mean not being able to buy foods, goods or services; travel on a bus or pretty much survive.

Basically they skipped the personal computer phase (too expensive) and went directly to "Smart" phones to "connect" the population (and control them).

Edited to add: Nightwolf confirmed for me weeks ago by doing the math that while 21 million sounds like a lot of people, it is pretty much the expected 2 percent death rate you would expect given the overall population of China (not just Wuhan but all of China).
I think Nightwolf is correct. 21,000,000 dead from Covid-19 in China.
 

rolenrock

Senior Member
That is the only thing that would warrant the government response they did.
China's response was so unbelievably intense it showed this virus was bad, really deadly. Chinese communists care nothing for the lives of their citizens so their actions were startling. Scared me silly knowing this monster was headed to the whole world. They could have stopped it there but chose not to do anything to protect all us outside China.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
personal individual observation of course is worth looking at but gathering as much data as possible from around the world and comparing has more weight scientifically. one persons experience or observatiuon can not be used as a template for everyone else. but you are entitled to your opinions.

the focus of my attention has been this virus has many facets to it and we are still learning what it does to the body. we are just recently finding out there are few recovered that have long term antibodies. that is a big deal for those who assume we will some day have herd immunity so just let everyone get infected. wont work if half of recovered have no antibodies/ immunity weeks or months later and can be reinfected and infect others. this is not the first report of this, there are multiple ones. it deserves to be examined and respected.

his data is from around the world, different strains, different results, different research reports and testing, different data, that is why his reports are so valuable. and he shows you where some 'reports' and experts' are lying using false data to paint a different picture for political reasons.

the experience of getting the virus and recovering is NOT the same for everyone. more and more evidence is coming out that there are long term permanent damage for people of ALL ages. just because it doesnt manifest in 2-4 weeks doesnt mean it never will. this is serious stuff--permanet damange to kidneys, heart, lungs, cenrtral nervous system with chroni pain , the brain, blood clot problems, this is still something new being discovered. time will show us more.

not trying to fight, you can dismiss this if you want but im looking for as much info as possible and collate to show the bigger picture of whats going on in all the facets.. i believe doing so will help us get better at dealing with it.


martinson gives a pretty damn good report.
"...The experience of getting the virus and recovering is NOT the same for everyone. more and more evidence is coming out that there are long term permanent damage for people of ALL ages. just because it doesnt manifest in 2-4 weeks doesnt mean it never will. this is serious stuff--permanet damange to kidneys, heart, lungs, cenrtral nervous system with chroni pain , the brain, blood clot problems, this is still something new being discovered. time will show us more..."

I have been wringing my hands (Sorry DO, pearls worn out) about this possibility since the beginning. And I think it will get worse as time goes by.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Not directed at you, Jazzy. Watched him way back when he had the Crash Course.
Followed his work closely during the early part of this "crisis."

Regarding Covid, I now think he is a very sophisticated LIAR.

The fact that he's even DISCUSSING "long term effects" now, when measuring long term effects is a physical impossibility, smacks of fear mongering from here.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
"...The experience of getting the virus and recovering is NOT the same for everyone. more and more evidence is coming out that there are long term permanent damage for people of ALL ages. just because it doesnt manifest in 2-4 weeks doesnt mean it never will. this is serious stuff--permanet damange to kidneys, heart, lungs, cenrtral nervous system with chroni pain , the brain, blood clot problems, this is still something new being discovered. time will show us more..."

I have been wringing my hands (Sorry DO, pearls worn out) about this possibility since the beginning. And I think it will get worse as time goes by.

The disease is, at best, six months old. How does anyone know there's "long-term permanent damage"?
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is a good article by Sundance yesterday. In our county if you've been in contact with anyone who has been in contact with someone who has been in contact with.....you get the picture. It's contact tracing and it's not that you're positive although you're counted as such. AND you're quarantined for 2 weeks.


Yes watch the video. All new positive tests through Covid tracing will implicate anyone that was around them ... even if not tested. IT WILL BE USED TO SHUT DOWN VOTING MACHINES IN NOVEMBER. This is how they will steal the elections. And keep Biden in the basement so people won’t see how bad he his.
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
Yes watch the video. All new positive tests through Covid tracing will implicate anyone that was around them ... even if not tested. IT WILL BE USED TO SHUT DOWN VOTING MACHINES IN NOVEMBER. This is how they will steal the elections. And keep Biden in the basement so people won’t see how bad he his.
So true! It's all about the November election! That should let you know how long this goes on.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I spent some time at this guys site and researching Peak Prosperity and what this guy is about.............he's a gold bug using doom and gloom to market products and masking it as a medical doctor report.......
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I spent some time at this guys site and researching Peak Prosperity and what this guy is about.............he's a gold bug using doom and gloom to market products and masking it as a medical doctor report.......
He has a pHD from Duke (?) in epidemology, infections disease, something like that. That is why I am SO disgusted with him. He should absolutely know about the PCR test, and why it is BS. He should be clear on why some stray RNA in the nose is NOT an infection. All this crap about testing *positive* and being asymptomatic...the person is NOT infected just because they have some Corona RNA detected on a swab. If an individual is not harboring an active infection, ie. the virus isn't replicating in their body, then they do not have Covid.

He has been very misleading on this issue.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The fact that he's even DISCUSSING "long term effects" now, when measuring long term effects is a physical impossibility, smacks of fear mongering from here.
Because certain types of damage to the heart, kidney, liver or brain will show up on ultrasounds or testing and they ARE permanent aside from a transplant or a divine miracle (and I'm not joking about the second option).
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Do your own DUE DILIGENCE. Make up your own mind. Believe what seems right to you. Do what seems best to you.

Martenson goes flabby on some stuff, but I still listen to him when I can (not a subscriber). And BTW, his PhD is in pathology.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Well, we kept hearing reports that controlled testing Corona virus patients using the malaria drug (never could spell it) had heart attacks right and left. Check GOOGLE for lupus people who use this drug, heart problems not listed as a side effect.

Now ain't that odd?

Could it be that a significant portion of hospitalized virus patients already have heart damage which the malaria drug then triggers. That maybe the drug has to be administered early in the game before heart damage? That maybe by the time somebody is sick enough for the hospital, it is too late, heart damage has already taken place. Is anybody looking into that? Probably not.
 

meandk0610

Veteran Member
He has a pHD from Duke (?) in epidemology, infections disease, something like that. That is why I am SO disgusted with him. He should absolutely know about the PCR test, and why it is BS. He should be clear on why some stray RNA in the nose is NOT an infection. All this crap about testing *positive* and being asymptomatic...the person is NOT infected just because they have some Corona RNA detected on a swab. If an individual is not harboring an active infection, ie. the virus isn't replicating in their body, then they do not have Covid.

He has been very misleading on this issue.
He has said in several videos that the PCR test is inaccurate but that that is the data that is coming out.
 

meandk0610

Veteran Member
Given the unexpected lasting impacts to so many different organs and physical systems, why aren’t we hearing any more about long-term testicular damage—i.e. future infertility on a massive scale? That is the terrifying part to me, especially given how many people either write off the infection as non-existent or mild, or who refuse to wear masks. It’s not about whether people get sick now, it’s about whether your kids can breed in 10-20 years.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Given the unexpected lasting impacts to so many different organs and physical systems, why aren’t we hearing any more about long-term testicular damage—i.e. future infertility on a massive scale? That is the terrifying part to me, especially given how many people either write off the infection as non-existent or mild, or who refuse to wear masks. It’s not about whether people get sick now, it’s about whether your kids can breed in 10-20 years.

Don't know why that should be so terrifying. The culture had already destroyed fertility. Such a move would be like trying to burn ashes.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
Not directed at you, Jazzy. Watched him way back when he had the Crash Course.
Followed his work closely during the early part of this "crisis."

Regarding Covid, I now think he is a very sophisticated LIAR.

thats ok faroe, everyone has their opinion. but if you have evidence of martinson outright lying, id like to see your examples. not wanting to start any pissing contest. i tend to see every issue as multi faceted and try to study each angle. , if you have info im missing that are lies id like to see the evidence to examine. thanks.
 

seraphima

Veteran Member
Not directed at you, Jazzy. Watched him way back when he had the Crash Course.
Followed his work closely during the early part of this "crisis."

Regarding Covid, I now think he is a very sophisticated LIAR.

This is an ad hominem attack by you on Martinson. Where is your data? Your examples?
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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This is an ad hominem attack by you on Martinson. Where is your data? Your examples?

Every year for the last decade Martenson has predicted a stock market crash was imminent. Hasn't happened.
For some time he wrote for Huffpost ... that should be a warning sign right there.
His predictions for covid19 have yet to come true ... Ayeeeeee! We're all gonna die. Except for those that watch my youtubes and purchase my Peak Prosperity videos.

He's a doomer that is good enough at the pessimism to get paid for it ... and paid well given his luxury digs outside of Boston. Which is kinda crazy. If you think the world is coming apart at the seems and that you need to have a "crash proof" location, anywhere near Boston would be the last place I would park.

He's good, I'll give him that. But just because he sells high quality snake oil, doesn't mean that it isn't still snake oil.

That's my opinion. YMMV
 

All4liberty

Senior Member
Every year for the last decade Martenson has predicted a stock market crash was imminent. Hasn't happened.
For some time he wrote for Huffpost ... that should be a warning sign right there.
His predictions for covid19 have yet to come true ... Ayeeeeee! We're all gonna die. Except for those that watch my youtubes and purchase my Peak Prosperity videos.

He's a doomer that is good enough at the pessimism to get paid for it ... and paid well given his luxury digs outside of Boston. Which is kinda crazy. If you think the world is coming apart at the seems and that you need to have a "crash proof" location, anywhere near Boston would be the last place I would park.

He's good, I'll give him that. But just because he sells high quality snake oil, doesn't mean that it isn't still snake oil.

That's my opinion. YMMV

Interesting take. I remember going through his series back around 2006 or so. I don't know if he is a snake oil salesman as much as he was just wrong. Hey, I thought things were going to collapse by 2012 or so, boy was I wrong. The Fed has prolonged things, and likely made the danger worse as we go. IMHO.

Look at what he promotes for a healthy immune system, pretty useful info. I am more inclined to think he is talking about what he believes the data is reporting.

The bug is nasty. Not in a killer sort of way, but a dangerous way. We have to go on with life, filled with risks and try to protect our families as much as possible. Martenson's info is just one source I use among others to make my decisions.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Every year for the last decade Martenson has predicted a stock market crash was imminent. Hasn't happened.
For some time he wrote for Huffpost ... that should be a warning sign right there.
His predictions for covid19 have yet to come true ... Ayeeeeee! We're all gonna die. Except for those that watch my youtubes and purchase my Peak Prosperity videos.

He's a doomer that is good enough at the pessimism to get paid for it ... and paid well given his luxury digs outside of Boston. Which is kinda crazy. If you think the world is coming apart at the seems and that you need to have a "crash proof" location, anywhere near Boston would be the last place I would park.

He's good, I'll give him that. But just because he sells high quality snake oil, doesn't mean that it isn't still snake oil.

That's my opinion. YMMV

Where outside of Boston?
 
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