ALERT Countdown! Iran's finger on nuclear trigger 2 warheads, payloads could be ready in weeks

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Countdown! Iran's finger on nuclear trigger
2 warheads, payloads could be weaponized in weeks


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WASHINGTON – Iranian nuclear experts have completed the component for a nuclear bomb trigger, overcoming a major obstacle in obtaining the bomb, according to sources within Iran.


Sources within the Revolutionary Guards reveal that the work on the trigger is taking place covertly under the control of the Guards in the cities of Darkhovin and Isfahan.

Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, the main brain behind the Iranian nuclear bomb program, is guiding the project. Fakhrizadeh reportedly reports directly to Khamenei and is under tight security because of the assassination of other Iranian nuclear scientists.

The Islamic regime has rejected several requests by the International Atomic Energy Agency to interview him. The U.N. nuclear watchdog believes Fakhrizadeh was responsible for the project “111,” which would convert highly enriched uranium into metal for a nuclear warhead and its reentry design.

The IAEA last November indicated that Iran had experimented with firing multiple detonators with a high level of simultaneity. The report also indicated that Iran as early as 2003 began a large-scale experiment to initiate a high-explosive charge in the form of a hemispherical shell. This indicates work on a nuclear bomb.

According to Sepahonline, which is close to the Revolutionary Guards, Iranian nuclear bomb progress is overseen by the supreme leader’s military adviser, Rahim Safavi, a former chief commander of the Guards, and a cleric, Mohsen Ghomi, who has communicated the will of the supreme leader for a speedy completion of the project. These activities are taking place at several secret locations unknown to the IAEA. One location reportedly is in the city of Mobarake, south west of Isfahan.

Peter Vincent Pry, executive director of the newly established Task Force on National and Homeland Security, a congressional advisory board, concludes from IAEA intelligence that Iran’s nuclear weapons program is very advanced.

”Iran has already developed hemispherical explosive lenses and highly precise detonators,” Pry states, “a clear indicator Iran is working on, or has already built, an implosion-type nuclear weapon. The United States used an implosion atomic bomb during World War II to destroy Nagasaki.”


Pry notes that reports that Iran is working on an atomic trigger – a device that helps initiate the fission reaction that results in a nuclear explosion – indicates that Iran’s nuclear weaponization is advanced, since this is one of the last steps toward building an atomic warhead. Centrifuge technology has enabled Pakistan, North Korea and now Iran to enrich uranium to weapons grade without requiring enormous, and impossible to disguise, gaseous diffusion plants, thus enabling those countries to build nuclear weapons clandestinely.

”The U.S. Manhattan Project produced two atomic bombs of radically different designs in just three years,” Pry says, “yet Iran has supposedly been struggling to build a nuclear weapon for two decades. Some of us believe Iran may already have nuclear weapons but has concealed this from the West in order to avoid a preemptive strike until such time as Iran’s nuclear status will become irreversible, as with North Korea.”

Pry warns that Iran does not have to develop an ICBM in order to pose a nuclear threat to the United States. ”Iran has already demonstrated the capability to launch a missile capable of delivering a nuclear weapon from a freighter at sea.”

Iran currently has enough enriched uranium for six nuclear bombs and is enriching uranium to the 20 percent level unabated, despite four sets of U.N. sanctions. Enriching to the 20 percent level is nine-tenths of the way to weaponization. It takes only several weeks to further enrich the 20 percent stock into weapons-grade material over the 90 percent level.

In another major development parallel to Iran’s nuclear program, Fars News Agency, which is close to the Revolutionary Guards, announced that Iran will launch a one-ton satellite into orbit in the Iranian New Year (starting March 20).

Defense Minister Brig. Gen. Ahmad Vahidi, who is wanted by Interpol for the Jewish Community Center bombing in 1994, stated that Iran is setting up a new base for the launch of the heavier satellite.

Iran, which launched its first satellite in 2009, successfully sent another satellite into orbit on Feb. 3. Though the payload was only 110 pounds, it was sufficient to deliver a nuclear artillery shell to intercontinental distances.

The news of a heavier satellite should come as a warning to the West, as the one-ton payload could very well carry a nuclear bomb any distance on earth.

Historically, orbiting a satellite is the criterion used for crediting a nation with ICBM capability.

Last December I revealed that China, in a secret agreement with the Islamic regime, had sold Iran ICBM technology and that the North Koreans were working with the Guards in assembling the missiles, which once complete will have a range of over 6,000 miles and will have America within its range.

In an alarming indication that Iran and North Korea are collaborating on nuclear bombs, radioisotope data from Russian and Japanese stations close to North Korea suggest that North Korea likely conducted two nuclear tests in 2010. At the same time, reports from inside Iran indicated a team of Iranian nuclear scientists had been sent to North Korea and that the two governments have agreed on a joint nuclear test in North Korea with a substantial financial reward to North Korea.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in another defiant speech on the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution on Saturday, announced that the world will soon witness another major accomplishment in the Iranian nuclear program within days. The Iranian president said his nation will ”never yield” to Western sanctions and threats of military action from Israel and the United States.

Negotiation and sanctions will not deter the Islamic regime in Iran to change its course from obtaining the nuclear bomb. It is not the economy, it is the ideology.

Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and the author of the award winning book, “A Time to Betray.” He is a senior Fellow with EMPact America and teaches at the U.S. Department of Defense’s Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy (JCITA)
 
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old pirate

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it is a catch 22. we stop them in advance and we have war. we don't and we have war.
we can't just fight Iran, it will be all out world war with russia, china and every muslim country including domestic.

domestic in 2 parts, part 1 the muslims here, and part 2 out "OPEN" borders.
dam guys, open your eyes and understand that we are fu%&ed.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
If one is truly convinced that there will be an inevitable war. The only rational response is to fight it on your own terms and not your enemies, at a time and place of your choosing and not your enemies, using methods and tactics of your choosing and not your enemies.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
The open borders part is directly because when have had traitors in Washington refusing to close then for political gains. If there is a war situation, THEY should end up the first casualties...., then let the rest of the business get underway.
 

ElevenO

Veteran Member
If one is truly convinced that there will be an inevitable war. The only rational response is to fight it on your own terms and not your enemies, at a time and place of your choosing and not your enemies, using methods and tactics of your choosing and not your enemies.

I agree with this post 100%.
 

Beelbill

Inactive
it is a catch 22. we stop them in advance and we have war. we don't and we have war.
we can't just fight Iran, it will be all out world war with russia, china and every muslim country including domestic.

domestic in 2 parts, part 1 the muslims here, and part 2 out "OPEN" borders.
dam guys, open your eyes and understand that we are fu%&ed.

I don't believe Russia or China will openly attack the US. The Cold War showed that they want to continue to exist as much as we do. If they could destroy us before we could launch nukes at them they would. But, they will not commit suicide any more than we will. Russia and China have backed other nations before and when we went to war in those nations, Russia and China provided assistance to the enemy. They stopped short of anything that would lead to all out war and so did we. If it were not for them North Korea and North Vietnam wouldn't exist today. The problem is Iran. They would commit suicide to destroy the US or Israel. Rather than risking all out nuclear war, Russia will assist Iran in going nuke and then let Iran either nuke us or use one of it's proxy nations to do it.

You are right though, either way, we are screwed.
 

WFK

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Jubilation T. Cornpone

Veteran Member
WHAT IF YOU HAD A MARXIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

And you were assured that if you launched a first strike,
we would stand down, and sue for peace?

I wonder would the generals put a bullet in his head
and launch the works?
Or scamper away to their hidey holes?
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
And you were assured that if you launched a first strike,
we would stand down, and sue for peace?

I wonder would the generals put a bullet in his head
and launch the works?
Or scamper away to their hidey holes?

a most insightful post. Hitler managed to take over not just Germany but Germany's military establishment.

who does not see the parallel's with the former "most liberal senator in the US?"
 

TeapotTempest

Turbulent Teakettle
a most insightful post. Hitler managed to take over not just Germany but Germany's military establishment.

who does not see the parallel's with the former "most liberal senator in the US?"

I dunno, everything I have seen indicates that the military is not a particularly big fan of ol' Barry, so I don't know about him 'taking over.'
 

Kent

Inactive
More bullshit shades of Iraq...

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mike

Of course, this is all just neocon bs leading us to war so the PTB can make money prior to the end of the Mayan calender when we will be hit by planet X. (did I leave anything out?) No way peaceful Iran could be making nukes.
 

China Connection

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Russia to lash Israel for War Rhetoric against Iran

SUNDAY, 12 FEBRUARY 2012 22:59:33FASHION

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Russia, China, Syria, Iran (New Axis) vs USA, Israel, England,France ( Allies forever)
Russia is concerned of the way Israel is openly laying out its war plans against Iran, as Russian foreign ministiry officially dennounced Israel’s hawkish rhetoric on Iran.
TEHRAN / NationalTurk – The Russian foreign ministry rapped the Zionist regime for its war rhetoric against Iran, and cautioned that the approach will increase tensions and have dire consequences.

On Wednesday, Mikhail Ulyanov, the head of Security and Disarmament Department at Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, denounced Tel Aviv government’s hawkish rhetoric on Iran over its nuclear program and lashed out at Israel for inventing allegations that are raising the tension in the already tense Middle East. Russia warned such fabrications could encourage military solutions and could end up with catastrophic consequences.

Russia supports Iran by censuring Israel War Rhetoric
The top Russian executive described the speculations over Iran’s nuclear program as out of whole cloth and reiterated that such claims have political and propaganda purposes, which are far from being inoffensive.

The US and its close ally Israel have recently intensified their war rhetoric against Iran. The two arch enemies of the Islamic Republic of Iran accuse Tehran government of seeking to build nuclear arsenal, while they have never presented any corroborative document to substantiate their allegations.

Both USA and Israel possess advanced weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear warheads. USA is UN and Nato member and though not on the paper US is the secret leader of these organisations.

World is polarizing dangerously more than ever
Iran vehemently denies the charges, insisting that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only. Tehran dovernment points out that the country has always pursued a civilian path to provide power to the growing number of Iranian population, whose fossil fuel would eventually run dry.

Iran has, in return, warned that it would target Israel and its worldwide interests in case it comes under attack by the Tel Aviv in self-defense purposes. Iran is challenging Us and Israel’s war calls on every turn, attemting to show their defence industry is more than capable to thwart any kind of military operation launched against Iran.

Russia, China, Syria, Iran (New Axis) vs USA, Israel, England,France ( Allies forever)
The United States has long stressed that military action is a main option for the White House to deter Iran’s progress in the field of nuclear technology.

Iran has warned that in case of an attack by either the US or Israel, it will target 32 American bases in the Middle East and close the strategic Strait of Hormuz, which is strategically and logistically a key point as an estimated 40 % of the world’s oil supply passes through the


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Richard

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If so "Iran have only just developed a means to deliver nuclear weapons using the Shahab 3/4 missile, Israel have had this capability with longer range weapons for decades, using the Jericho II/III missile, Israel also have up to 200 nukes, so it would be idiotic for Iran to attack Israel.
Israel can also deal with the Iranian missiles using Arrow

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.80f4dc6b567fcd88a95f4f22137a60ff.3e1

Final test' of Israel's Arrow anti-missile system
(AFP) – 2 days ago
JERUSALEM — Israel and the United States recently carried out a successful test of the Arrow anti-missile system over the Mediterranean Sea, the Israeli defence ministry said on Friday.
During the target-only tracking exercise, the Arrow's radar tracked a target "representative of potential ballistic missile threats facing Israel," the statement read, and "transferred information to the Citron Tree Battle Management Controller, which prepared a simulated intercept solution".
According to the defence ministry, the test was the final one "prior to delivery of block 4 Arrow Weapons System".
"This was a major milestone in the development of the Arrow Weapon System and provides confidence in operational Israeli capabilities to defeat the developing ballistic missile threat," the ministry said.
On Thursday, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said sophisticated weapons could be transferred from Syria to militant group Hezbollah and to Lebanon if the regime of Bashar al-Assad falls.
Last week, Israel's chief of military intelligence Aviv Kochavi warned that Israel's enemies now command "some 200,000 rockets and missiles". Iran, he noted, currently had enough radioactive material to produce four nuclear bombs.
The Arrow, a costly project launched two decades ago, is designed to counter strikes mainly from arch-foe Iran and has successfully intercepted missiles comparable to Iran's Shihab-3 in a variety of conditions.
It was launched in 1988 during the now-defunct Star Wars programme initiated under late US president Ronald Reagan and stepped up after Israel was hit by 39 Iraqi Scud missiles during the 1991 Gulf War.
Development of the system is now half-funded by Israel's main ally, the United States.
Copyright © 2012 AFP. All rights reserved.

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/30-81388.aspx

WHY ISRAEL WILL decisively defeat IRAN if there is an all-out war. 1.Israel has more than 200 atomic devices vs Iran which may have 1 soon.Even if Iran bought nuclear devices from other rogue states, the retaliation from Israel would be the equivalent of 2,000 plus hiroshimas. 2.The 200 plus Israeli atomic devices are unstoppable by Iran i.e. up to 80 can be launched by submarines and the rest by ICBM or F-15s or F-16s 3.Israel has the world?s most advanced anti-ICBM missle umbrella which may be impenetrable by Iranian Shahib missles . Iran can only deliver their 1-2 atomic warheads by ICBMs with no other delivery capabilities. 4.Israel has a satellite system with multiple types of spy satellites which have reached the limit of possible resolution (defraction limit) generally thought to be about 10 centimeters and their satellite system is all weather. Together with their advanced UAV capabilities , this allows Israel to possess the most detailed photos and real-time imaging of all Iranian military installations . 5.The military technologic difference between Israel and Iran is wide. Israel has about 10% of the world-wide arms export market which based solely on merit and immensely competitive. IF anything, it is nothing short of a miracle and a tremendous tribute to Israel (jewish ) expertise that they sell to so many countries which never take the side of Israel in any dispute. There are those ,who imply much of Israel?s technological edge is due to massive American aid. However, that aid also has restrained the development of Israeli military technology. American military contractors regularly and understandably, attempt to undermine Israeli sale of military technology when it is in direct competition with American contractors? efforts to sell abroad. Israel might have double the foreign military technologic sales if the US had never blanketly prohibited Israel selling directly to PRC. This is understandable. Iran sells nothing in world wide arms market. Their highly publicized Shahib 3 missle is nothing but a supped up version of the the 63 year old V2 Nazi ballistic missle. Israel supplies Israeli-developed military technology to most of the world?s top militaries including the USA, India, and China. China's J10 fighter is thought to be modeled on Israel?s Lavi.,the Israeli developed Jet fight. In terms of MBTs, Israel possesses 1500 consisting entirely of the modern highly regarded Merkava. Iran has approx. 500 all obsolete models including the T 72. In front-line aircraft Israel has approximately 800 with more than 500 being upgraded F15s and F16s. Israel also possesses in air refueling capabilities. Iran has about 250 front-line combat aircraft consisting mostly of obsolete older US and Russian fighters. It has no known in air refueling capability. Israel also is way ahead in production and use of UAVs and sells various models to many countries including Great Britain. There are other areas of military technology Israel is far more advanced than Iran.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
IMHO I'm surprised that the report states that Iran started work on an implosion system in 2003 and not a lot earlier. That's the sort of thing that can be done separate from getting the fissile material for the weapon and is really "only" an ordnance/munitions engineering problem not requiring the creation of the infrastructure of the fuel cycle Iran's been pouring resources into.
 

Double_A

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does it strike anyone else that the OP, has so much info, so many names, places, progress to be suspect? No reading between the lines, no guessing required here its all laid out....
 

Leigh19717

Senior Member
so, was this the "big" announcement that we heard about yesterday? If not, leaves me wondering about what that would be.
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
And you were assured that if you launched a first strike,
we would stand down, and sue for peace?

I wonder would the generals put a bullet in his head
and launch the works?
Or scamper away to their hidey holes?

Most frightful thought...I have no faith in the crowd in Washington, D.C. None. Obama giving a 'stand down' order fits with his twisted character, his politics and the gutter religion that prompts him to be so worried for his brethren.

One can only hope for the best i.e. a Pentagon inspired assassination followed by all out orders to launch.

Having vented my darkest thoughts, I need to see this in something with more credibility than WorldNutDaily.
 

Bubba Zanetti

Veteran Member
Weird segway here..... I used to own a 1949 Allis Chalmers tractor / at the same time I worked as a contractor for Siemens.

The company, Allis Chalmers, of course does not exist anymore. They were split up and Allis went on to make electrical switches. REALLY nice ones.

Siemens eventually bought Allis, who continued to make very high end electrical switches - including those for detonating nuclear bombs.

A Siemens sales manager was jailed in the early 1990's for selling some of these precision switches, which could be used to detonate a nuke, to anyone with $. This included the .gov of Iraq, Iran and Pakistan.

I think some higher ups also spent time in the slammer for this.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
IMHO I'm surprised that the report states that Iran started work on an implosion system in 2003 and not a lot earlier. That's the sort of thing that can be done separate from getting the fissile material for the weapon and is really "only" an ordnance/munitions engineering problem not requiring the creation of the infrastructure of the fuel cycle Iran's been pouring resources into.

whenever they started their capability is way below that of Israel who started decades ago and have possessed nukes and several ways of delivering them for many years, not making any judgment just stating fact

I am sure this is common knowledge amongst all who post here
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
whenever they started their capability is way below that of Israel who started decades ago and have possessed nukes and several ways of delivering them for many years, not making any judgment just stating fact

I am sure this is common knowledge amongst all who post here

I keep looking at the old Apartheid South African nuclear program for parallels. They had seven assembled gun type HEU weapons with an eighth ready for assembly when they stopped their program, along with solid propellant road mobile missiles and strike fighters for delivery of them. Their next move was to go to implosion type weapons to get more out of the HEU they had on hand and to use P-239 later.

That program was done on the sly under their nuclear power/fuel cycle program and only directly involved about 200 people on the weapons side of it.

With the amount of resources the Iranians have put into play you would thing they'd be further along. They look to have all the pieces except (allegedly/reportedly) the fissile material.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I keep looking at the old Apartheid South African nuclear program for parallels. They had seven assembled gun type HEU weapons with an eighth ready for assembly when they stopped their program, along with solid propellant road mobile missiles and strike fighters for delivery of them. Their next move was to go to implosion type weapons to get more out of the HEU they had on hand and to use P-239 later.

That program was done on the sly under their nuclear power/fuel cycle program and only directly involved about 200 people on the weapons side of it.


With the amount of resources the Iranians have put into play you would thing they'd be further along. They look to have all the pieces except (allegedly/reportedly) the fissile material.


the point i'm trying to make is that Israel have a massive capability of nuclear weapons and their deliverance way above anything that Iran has and have had this for decades, can you understand this ? Do you think Israel should have this capability of destroying the ME way before the Arabs had any such capability to stop the destruction of their countries?
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Housecarl, Iran has long had the funds available to buy weapons from the Chechens, the Russian Mafia, Pakistan, and North Korea. I'd be absolutely stunned, if they haven't had them for years... As to delivery systems, it wouldn't take them much effort to put a nuke on board a freighter, and sail it toward Haifa. Surface burst, depending upon the size of the weapon, could wipe out much of Israel's transportation capability. Secondly, using one of those multiple launch canisters that Russia is actively marketing, would give the ragheads the ability to do snap shots, with nuclear tipped Sunburn missiles. Thirdly, even Israeli security could have a potential leak, that would allow a truck bearing a nuke to cross somewhere on their eastern border, and detonate it near a high priority target/area. Fourthly, a legitimate cargo plane could carry a nuke, without the aircraft being vetted before arriving in Israel... Shall I go on?

As in all counter-terrorist endeavors, the terrorist can fail many times, and still, eventually succeed. The defender, Israel, cannot afford to fail even once... Just remember... Statistically, when Israel looses a single trooper, it's like the US having an entire platoon wiped out...

Six million Jews vs. more than a BILLION ragheads... Some might say the odds were even, but that's giving too much credit to the excrement pile known as islam...

OA, out...
 

Kent

Inactive
Do you think Israel should have this capability of destroying the ME way before the Arabs had any such capability to stop the destruction of their countries?

Yes.

Arabs attacking Israel is common, the fact Israel is a Democracy, has the weapons, and not used them speaks volumes. It would only take ONE nuke to effectively destroy Israel.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Housecarl, Iran has long had the funds available to buy weapons from the Chechens, the Russian Mafia, Pakistan, and North Korea. I'd be absolutely stunned, if they haven't had them for years... As to delivery systems, it wouldn't take them much effort to put a nuke on board a freighter, and sail it toward Haifa. Surface burst, depending upon the size of the weapon, could wipe out much of Israel's transportation capability. Secondly, using one of those multiple launch canisters that Russia is actively marketing, would give the ragheads the ability to do snap shots, with nuclear tipped Sunburn missiles. Thirdly, even Israeli security could have a potential leak, that would allow a truck bearing a nuke to cross somewhere on their eastern border, and detonate it near a high priority target/area. Fourthly, a legitimate cargo plane could carry a nuke, without the aircraft being vetted before arriving in Israel... Shall I go on?

As in all counter-terrorist endeavors, the terrorist can fail many times, and still, eventually succeed. The defender, Israel, cannot afford to fail even once... Just remember... Statistically, when Israel looses a single trooper, it's like the US having an entire platoon wiped out...

Six million Jews vs. more than a BILLION ragheads... Some might say the odds were even, but that's giving too much credit to the excrement pile known as islam...

OA, out...

Iran's capability is way below that of Israel this is a fact not an opinion, I'm talking about logistical facts, Iran's capability is pathetic, see my other thread again I'm not offering my opinion
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
the point i'm trying to make is that Israel have a massive capability of nuclear weapons and their deliverance way above anything that Iran has and have had this for decades, can you understand this ? Do you think Israel should have this capability of destroying the ME way before the Arabs had any such capability to stop the destruction of their countries?

Sorry Richard, I was going to address your point and got interrupted by the "meat world".

Yes the Israeli capability is way beyond all the other parties in the Middle East, and for that matter in South Asia (at the moment).

As for the Israels having the capability to destroy the ME before they (the Arab and Persian/Iranian states) in turn could have a similar capability, the fact that the Israelis didn't slag everyone in the '73 War IMHO shows a level of control that the current regime in Tehran in terms of rhetoric and actions hasn't. Same goes for Saddam. Assad and the military regime that's been running Egypt all this time however seems to be more realpolitik driven. The Brotherhood, Salafists and Waahabists are a whole different plain of concern.

That all being said, if all parties involved hadn't been dragged along into pawns of the Cold War, a lot of this mess may have been resolved a long time ago.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
the point i'm trying to make is that Israel have a massive capability of nuclear weapons and their deliverance way above anything that Iran has and have had this for decades, can you understand this ? Do you think Israel should have this capability of destroying the ME way before the Arabs had any such capability to stop the destruction of their countries?

i think that the Israelis must be a tad paranoid that Iran has provided 100,000s of rockets and some missiles to their allies in Lebanon and Syria all aimed at Israel. this seems to be to be a version of MAD to counter Israel's possession of nukes and a superior military force. the thing that one must consider is that these 100,000 rockets are under the control of whom? perhaps not as highly a disciplined force as Israel? certainly a force who makes no vagueness about their ultimate intentions of eradicating the state of Israel from the Middle East.

and from my non-partisan perspective of seeing both sides as being anti-christian, it seems to me that there is no comparison to which side makes huge contributions to global improvements in non-military technology and commerce. in fact, if it were not for selling their oil, i believe there is almost nothing that the muslim world contributes to the overall welfare and security of the rest of the world, and in fact represent one of the greatest threats to every other nation and civilization on the planet through the manifestation of their Jihad. so i am not entirely "non-partisan". i hope the Israelis are preserved as a culture and nation, and i wish them Godspeed in eliminating the threat of Islam against the entire world.

i only wish that their only ally in the world, the US, did not have a muslim, Soviet agent in the White House Oval Office.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
does it strike anyone else that the OP, has so much info, so many names, places, progress to be suspect? No reading between the lines, no guessing required here its all laid out....

You have a very good point. In that respect either a data dump to shake stuff up, justify actions or disinfo for the same purposes.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
i think that the Israelis must be a tad paranoid that Iran has provided 100,000s of rockets and some missiles to their allies in Lebanon and Syria all aimed at Israel. this seems to be to be a version of MAD to counter Israel's possession of nukes and a superior military force. the thing that one must consider is that these 100,000 rockets are under the control of whom? perhaps not as highly a disciplined force as Israel? certainly a force who makes no vagueness about their ultimate intentions of eradicating the state of Israel from the Middle East.

and from my non-partisan perspective of seeing both sides as being anti-christian, it seems to me that there is no comparison to which side makes huge contributions to global improvements in non-military technology and commerce. in fact, if it were not for selling their oil, i believe there is almost nothing that the muslim world contributes to the overall welfare and security of the rest of the world, and in fact represent one of the greatest threats to every other nation and civilization on the planet through the manifestation of their Jihad. so i am not entirely "non-partisan". i hope the Israelis are preserved as a culture and nation, and i wish them Godspeed in eliminating the threat of Islam against the entire world.

i only wish that their only ally in the world, the US, did not have a muslim, Soviet agent in the White House Oval Office.

the rockets from syria are on a small scale, not saying this it right or wrong, but Israel's nuclear capability in rockets, nuclear bombs, submarines, fighter jets, anti missile capability make Iran's look like they're from the stone age, they could blast any arab nation in to the stone age, they have had this capability for decades, not just recently, so Israel have had this capability but the Arabs have not

as far as I'm concerned religion has no relevance to any discussion of this nature as religion is meant to be non-violent, religion has nothing to do with nuking your neighbours or adversaries
 

Be Well

may all be well
Of course, this is all just neocon bs leading us to war so the PTB can make money prior to the end of the Mayan calender when we will be hit by planet X. (did I leave anything out?) No way peaceful Iran could be making nukes.

You left out evil Zionists.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Current Syrian capability to "reach out" includes, over 300 SCUD B/C/D missiles in stock (the limiter being the number of TELs and support vehicles or prepared stationary launch sites they have), many reportedly armed with chemical warheads. That doesn't count heavy artillery rockets that can reach into Israel from their side of the Golan in the similar fashion as Hezbollah's artillery rockets and missiles.

As for an Israeli Iranian match-up, in a Day 1/H-Hour look at it, all the strike fighters and most of the submarines get discounted and the ADM systems available need to be looked at with the view of how targetable and swampable they are.

That takes you down to the number of launchers with missiles under the control of both parties, which in the case of Iran has to include Hezbollah's (whether you want to count Syria's or not depends a lot on how much autonomy or prior planning Iran and Syria have agreed upon). With that in mind, though the Israelis have an estimated 90 Jericho 2s vs at least 150 Shahab 3s based on a 1998 production start date and a 15 per minimum a year though I've seen reports on line suggesting a 70 per year production capability and that doesn't even touch the new solid fueled system.

The next question then is how many of these systems in these countries' control are on alert at any given moment vs only "in stock" and how fast could they be brought to alert status.

Since Israel is basically a "one bomb" country, the amount of restraint displayed thus far by them IMHO is nothing short of historically amazing.
 
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LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
MAD theory only works when both sides love life enough to not want to risk war.

Iran, and the rest of the islamic run countries do not love life this way, and have no fear for a MAD stalemate, let alone a peaceful situation. They love death, and think that it is the quickest way to get to their heaven. They would not hesitate nuking any non-believer (non-muslim), that includes us as much as it does Israel. They also would not mind one bit of they were attacked in their home country by a non-believer. They even believe that having a massive "unprovoked" attack on their own country is the only way that they can get their "12th immam" (pit priest) to appear, save them, and take them to glory. Our side loves life, their's loves death. There is a big reason why they should not have WMDs.

Loup
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Iran's capability is way below that of Israel this is a fact not an opinion, I'm talking about logistical facts, Iran's capability is pathetic, see my other thread again I'm not offering my opinion

I'm not arguing with you, my friend. Israel has had nukes, lots of them, since the 60's. I've heard as many as 300-400, all different sizes, to meet the "needs" of the war planners who designate what weapons go to which targets. As far as I'm concerned, like any kind of ammo, you can't have too much...

Iran has had the funds to buy whatever is on the market. That they have weapons, I don't think is a real stretch. Likewise, delivery systems can be as varied as one can think-up- once. Israel can't afford even one nuke to go off within its borders... That would be a catastrophic shock to their economy, let alone their psyches... Nope. They haven't deployed or used them yet for one reason only... Their chief mullah and the head of their armed forces will come to an agreement, when THEY think that Iran will benefit from the nuclear ass-whoopin' they're going to receive for detonating those weapons, or attempted deliveries thereof... THEN, they'll pull out the stops, and it's Katie bar the door...

Even if China gave Iran all of its nukes, Israel would still have more weapons... I don't think the pot has boiled enough for Iran to go from crazy to dead-stupid- yet. Oh, it will happen... Some raghead will make the wrong decision, and Hell will come to breakfast. It'll just be a damned poor meal that is served up...

OA, out...
 

Kent

Inactive
as far as I'm concerned religion has no relevance to any discussion of this nature as religion is meant to be non-violent, religion has nothing to do with nuking your neighbours or adversaries

Have you not noticed that Islam is a religion of death and anything but non-violent?
 

Beelbill

Inactive
the rockets from syria are on a small scale, not saying this it right or wrong, but Israel's nuclear capability in rockets, nuclear bombs, submarines, fighter jets, anti missile capability make Iran's look like they're from the stone age, they could blast any arab nation in to the stone age, they have had this capability for decades, not just recently, so Israel have had this capability but the Arabs have not

as far as I'm concerned religion has no relevance to any discussion of this nature as religion is meant to be non-violent, religion has nothing to do with nuking your neighbours or adversaries
If you have 100 AK47s, 1000 grenades, and 500 357Mags and I have a .22 single shot rifle. All your weapons won't do you a bit of good if I shoot you in the head before you decide to take a shot at me. For the little nation of Israel, it isn't the number of nukes that matters. What matters is who shoots first.

Maybe religion has no relevance to you, but if it has relevance to your enemy, then you need to understand where they are coming from.
 

TheDoberman

Veteran Member
MAD theory only works when both sides love life enough to not want to risk war.

Iran, and the rest of the islamic run countries do not love life this way, and have no fear for a MAD stalemate, let alone a peaceful situation. They love death, and think that it is the quickest way to get to their heaven. They would not hesitate nuking any non-believer (non-muslim), that includes us as much as it does Israel. They also would not mind one bit of they were attacked in their home country by a non-believer. They even believe that having a massive "unprovoked" attack on their own country is the only way that they can get their "12th immam" (pit priest) to appear, save them, and take them to glory. Our side loves life, their's loves death. There is a big reason why they should not have WMDs.

Loup

Well said.
 
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