20Gauge
TB Fanatic
No need . We have 2
ALERT Costs Are Going Up and UP and UP
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Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I'll check it out. I'm watching for a nail gun. I may end up renting / borrowing one. After I finish the molding, I won't need one for what I hope is a good long time.
Got to get creative maximizing the conversion of
waning dollar purchasing power into any of those
valuable resources that'll better hold their value.
For instance, one essential all will always need is
energy, and...
Job #1 for heating/cooling energy efficiency, and
to maximize cost savings, is always insulation to
minimize your need for these ever pricier fuel and
electric costs.
I'm a big fan of used freezer panels, utilized for all
kinds of projects; green houses, ice houses, even
new construction house wraps, have bought many
thousands of sq feet over the last half dozen years,
usually for well under 50 cents a square foot for 4"
thick foam with aluminum or galvanized steel on
both faces.
FB marketplace, craigs list, etc., are essential tools
for discovering such acquisitions to better beat the
inflation beast.
Best recent score was last week, got over 1,500 sq
ft of brand new roofing freezer panels for 35 cents
a square foot. Compare that to foil backed 1" foam
board at your local lowes, aces or homedepot...
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
waning dollar purchasing power into any of those
valuable resources that'll better hold their value.
For instance, one essential all will always need is
energy, and...
Job #1 for heating/cooling energy efficiency, and
to maximize cost savings, is always insulation to
minimize your need for these ever pricier fuel and
electric costs.
I'm a big fan of used freezer panels, utilized for all
kinds of projects; green houses, ice houses, even
new construction house wraps, have bought many
thousands of sq feet over the last half dozen years,
usually for well under 50 cents a square foot for 4"
thick foam with aluminum or galvanized steel on
both faces.
FB marketplace, craigs list, etc., are essential tools
for discovering such acquisitions to better beat the
inflation beast.
Best recent score was last week, got over 1,500 sq
ft of brand new roofing freezer panels for 35 cents
a square foot. Compare that to foil backed 1" foam
board at your local lowes, aces or homedepot...
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
You are relating to a genuine probability, as a stated goal is to get rid of fossil fuels. A number of possibilities could crop up besides these power grabbers affecting price and availability is their dear friends antifa and blm bombing refineries. Political push back in the form of states telling the feds to go screw off could affect distribution to non-oil producing states.
But I must disagree on one point, that in a cold climate propane is not an addiction, it's an inexpensive and clean way to heat.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Cleanliness and inexpensivity may soon be found to have been addictions to overcome......especially in the short term.
Extreme resilience will become the new currency.
Get addicted today.
Extreme resilience will become the new currency.
Get addicted today.
rob0126
Veteran Member
I believe if folks can afford it, to look into solar. (this is assuming no emp)
Ive seen many businesses invest in their own mini solar farms. (a feed mill is one).
Theirs a power company that has a huge solar farm in the woods some miles down the road from where we live.
Maybe they know something we dont?
If buying solar for oneself or as investment to later re-sell,
be sure to check out the pallet load costs here and if really
deep pockets, take a gander at the cargo container discounts...
sunelec.com
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
be sure to check out the pallet load costs here and if really
deep pockets, take a gander at the cargo container discounts...
World's Lowest Solar Panel Prices » Sun Electronics International, Inc
New and used solar panels, inverters, charge controllers, complete solar system kits at wholesale prices. We have best prices in solar panels.
sunelec.com
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Power companies are required to use a certain amount of renewable power sources.
I was just quoted 1.84 today for bulk propane.
But I'm full, they were just following up because I solicited a quote last summer and didn't use them as another company was lower.
1000 gal tank, use about half each year which is 400 gallons. 800 gallons is a full 1000 gallon tank as they leave 20% for expansion
But I'm full, they were just following up because I solicited a quote last summer and didn't use them as another company was lower.
1000 gal tank, use about half each year which is 400 gallons. 800 gallons is a full 1000 gallon tank as they leave 20% for expansion
SpokaneMan
Veteran Member
So we all here knew it would come quickly with a compromised Chinese asset as pretender in chief.
I am quietly hoping that dem voters finally get a dose of their preconceived notion that utopia is actually dystopia. I pray it hurts them the most. And I think it will. I sleep well at night knowing that the left always eats their own.
I am quietly hoping that dem voters finally get a dose of their preconceived notion that utopia is actually dystopia. I pray it hurts them the most. And I think it will. I sleep well at night knowing that the left always eats their own.
Everything is going up. My wife and I like to take our 2 youngest grandsons out to eat every 2 weeks or so. they like places such as Applebees, Chicago Pizza, etc. Before the virus hit it usually ran about $75 for the 4 of us to eat including the tip. We still eat the same things but it now costs $100 or so. I figured they were trying to recoup some of what they lost during the shutdown.
And we know what happend next.
This wicked cold snap will have some effect on LP pricing, I don't know how temporary it will be tho.
Bps1691
Veteran Member
With the war already declared AND STARTED on all fossil fuels by the demon-crat communists, it is a fact that at a minimum, the next two years will allow them to destroy the drilling and fracking.
"LPG is manufactured by refining crude oil or raw natural gas, being derived exclusively from fossil fuel sources."
... so that is a real good indicator of what is coming in the way of availability
Add in the enormous taxes and strict regulations the demon-crats have told us they will put in place for years and that tears any chance that not only will supplies be inadequate, but that the costs to obtain it will be artificially jacked up to the moon.
Remember that the regulations they will inflict will be on not just the production in the fields, but in added costs on transportation, strict restrictions on refining and the added bonus of taxing the end products to death to pay for their "green projects" and to discourage use of fossil fuels.
Better plan for the worse and be prepared as best as is possible, than close your eyes and make believe "it's all going to get better".
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West
Senior
We have one thing that operates off of propane and that's our water heater. Although I really like our small RV refrigerator/freezer if propane gets super expensive I guess getting a full sized propane freezer might be out of the question.
So to heat water for a shower this seems like a great idea....
Quote/snip...
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As you can see in Fig. 1 (see Image Gallery), an ordinary water heater is nothing more than a storage tank (located between a house's water source and its various hot water faucets) sitting over a gas or electric burner. Since water tends to rise as it's heated, cold water is piped in at the bottom of the tank, while hot water is drawn off from the top.
Fig. 2 compares such a conventional water heater with a Blazing Showers system. As you can see, our setup employs a coil of copper tubing — located inside a wood burning stove's stovepipe — to heat the water that's held in our storage tank. Hot smoke rising through the stovepipe warms the water in the copper coil, which causes it to rise (and thereby draw more cold water into the coil). Meanwhile, the stovepipe-heated water flows into the top of the storage tank, where it remains until someone decides to take a "blazing shower" and turns on a faucet.
Notice that there are no pumps in our system: Instead, plain ole thermal convection does all the work."
So to heat water for a shower this seems like a great idea....
Make a Wood Stove Water Heater – Mother Earth News
Make your own DIY wood stove water heater. Our design, the Blazing Showers Stovepipe Water Heater, produces hot water that stays warm for up to 48 hours.
www.motherearthnews.com
Quote/snip...
"
As you can see in Fig. 1 (see Image Gallery), an ordinary water heater is nothing more than a storage tank (located between a house's water source and its various hot water faucets) sitting over a gas or electric burner. Since water tends to rise as it's heated, cold water is piped in at the bottom of the tank, while hot water is drawn off from the top.
Fig. 2 compares such a conventional water heater with a Blazing Showers system. As you can see, our setup employs a coil of copper tubing — located inside a wood burning stove's stovepipe — to heat the water that's held in our storage tank. Hot smoke rising through the stovepipe warms the water in the copper coil, which causes it to rise (and thereby draw more cold water into the coil). Meanwhile, the stovepipe-heated water flows into the top of the storage tank, where it remains until someone decides to take a "blazing shower" and turns on a faucet.
Notice that there are no pumps in our system: Instead, plain ole thermal convection does all the work."
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Target didn't have much lunch meat at all. The ones they had were up from $4.29 a month ago to $4.99.
Wide ranging price increases store wide IF YOU CAN FIND IT. SELECTION IS ROMANIAN style circa cold war era.
We are being trained to shop like the communists did.
Wide ranging price increases store wide IF YOU CAN FIND IT. SELECTION IS ROMANIAN style circa cold war era.
We are being trained to shop like the communists did.
Nopie
Contributing Member
Diesel is $3.49 in N. California, and that’s at the cheap gas station!
I went to Winco (grocery store here) and prices are already up from two weeks ago. It’s a noticeable difference which for some reason surprised me.
I know inflation is coming but seeing it really start was troubling.
robclement
Contributing Member
Looks like 1.47 today for propane,2.70 for gas .
robclement
Contributing Member
Down 4 cents for propane, 40 cents up for gas,more or less.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
It's past time for you to relocate, Doug. Once you get out of downtown, you'll find the stores are stocked a little better. This is what happened in Detroit. The next step was that all of the food stores shut down, and it was a food desert until Meijer (Michigan big box store like Walmart) opened a store there several years ago.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Well, the system may collapse this weekend when we get a three day below 32 F cycle and up to 6 "" of snow from thursday to sunday.
The leadership may be so bad that they end up with frozen homeless. The highs will be 27 F and the lows will be 21 F which are killing zones from weds to sunday.
Idaho is looking good.
The leadership may be so bad that they end up with frozen homeless. The highs will be 27 F and the lows will be 21 F which are killing zones from weds to sunday.
Idaho is looking good.
danielboon
TB Fanatic
This might be the best time for you to get out of there
lanningro
Veteran Member
Amazon sells black pipe. I bought a 1/2 and 3/4 schd. 40 pipe nipple assortment packs. About 60 pcs per assortment. Menards sells schd. 40 pipe fittings very reasonable. And ships them to me. I have 10 foot pcs of black pipe in the shop and can thread them on my lathe or my Ridgid pipe threader.
Same for PVC have plenty on hand. Half a dozen toilet kits too. Some things you can improvise, and some things you just can't.
FWIW I've been to Sun Electronics warehouse. Amazing amount of solar panels!If buying solar for oneself or as investment to later re-sell,
be sure to check out the pallet load costs here and if really
deep pockets, take a gander at the cargo container discounts...
World's Lowest Solar Panel Prices » Sun Electronics International, Inc
New and used solar panels, inverters, charge controllers, complete solar system kits at wholesale prices. We have best prices in solar panels.
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Try 2.89 for propane here last week! Ugh. Thank God I don't need it for heat.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Two sides of the same coin.
colonel holman
Veteran Member
Plus they get really sweet govt grants and artificially inflated sale prices when selling that power to the grid. Been dealing with that over windmills being placed on pristine Maine mountain ranges nearby
colonel holman
Veteran Member
Never forget BHO stated that energy costs must necessarily be greatly increased to force conservation (at the expense of those who can least afford it of course), as well as to force closure of energy-consumptive industries, to save the earth. Paper mills here closed due to energy costs of the BHO admin. But that’s ok becuase they can always get jobs in the tourism industry (union employment at mills vs seasonal part time minimum wages job)
You apparently had economics classes somewhere along the way, and learned the Keynesian lies.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Yeah they were big in that when I got my econ degree.
I just find it easier not to go to far into money devaluating as people get that glazed look when you do.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think the Dims (eta: and Repugs) would prefer open civil war.
They certainly seem to be sowing the field, if you know what I mean.
So, I expect they will do everything and anything in their power to assure that (TRUMP'24) won't happen.
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Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
We just got a propane delivery, $432 plus change to fill our twin 100 gallon tank setup. Propane was 3.049/gal this delivery. Sub zero and single digit lows with highs in the teens and low twenties are horrible on the stuff.
What sucks is that we make money off natural gas wells that tap from under our property, but nobody in the county has natural gas service. I'd love to use natural gas at producer prices.
What sucks is that we make money off natural gas wells that tap from under our property, but nobody in the county has natural gas service. I'd love to use natural gas at producer prices.