FOOD Costco Crystal Olive Oil

I am a soap maker and began pouring a New Year of soap making ingredients using bottles of olive oil from Costco. I noticed, as I was pouring out 2 batches, that at the bottom of all the containers were crystals. The olive oil smelled funny, not rancid, just not right. These crystals were in all the containers of olive oil. I did take pictures. The crystals are about the size of a small garnet or larger than coarse sea salt. I have made soap for 14 years now and have never seen crystallized olive oil ever. Buyers beware.

From the trenches of liberty,
Celeste
 
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vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thankyou Celeste for this warning! I have never seen that before and I cannot imagine what would create these crystals in any olive oil. I mean, there is nothing in olive oil that would create crystals.

I'll be going to the Costco in Issaquah tomorrow and am going to check it out. If I see this, I'm going to ask them what the heck it is?

This does not seem natural at all to me. V

Edited to add... What brand is this? Is this a Costco's Kirkland brand product?
 

KenGin31

Veteran Member
I bought stuff at Sam's that I couldn't use because they store them in unacclimatized warehouses; boil in the summer and freeze in the winter.
 
Hydrogenated is never a good thing, we avoid it at all costs. Olive oil isn't supposed to crystallize, we haven't had that ever happen. We use high grade virgin olive oil because your skin is the largest organ in your body and it absorbs everything applied to it, for better or worse.

If anyone is curious as to what it looks like I posted in my website:

http://www.nonaiswa.org/?p=7768


I just looked and you CAN see the crystals in a full bottle, at the bottom. I just never looked, just goes to show we all need to be ever watchful.
Celeste
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There was an expose' a while back on tainted olive oils. It was (perhaps still is) a real scandal where companies are calling their product extra virgin olive oil and it has a good percentage of corn or soy oil.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/23/italy.fooddrinks

http://www.rawfoods.com/articles/oliveoil.html
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http://intlxpatr.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-olive-oil-scandal/

The investigators discovered that seed and hazelnut oil had reached Riolio’s refinery by tanker truck and by train, as well as by ship, and they found stocks of hazelnut oil waiting in Rotterdam for delivery to Riolio and other olive-oil companies.
The investigators also discovered where Ribatti’s adulterated oil had gone: to some of the largest producers of Italian olive oil, among them Nestlé, Unilever, Bertolli, and Oleifici Fasanesi, who sold it to consumers as olive oil, and collected about twelve million dollars in E.U. subsidies intended to support the olive-oil industry. (These companies claimed that they had been swindled by Ribatti, and prosecutors were unable to prove complicity on their part.)

...

There is another good reference here: The Great Olive Oil Scandal from PalestinianOliveOil.org
Investigators have gathered evidence indicating that the biggest olive oil brands in Italy — Bertolli, Sasso, and Cirio — have for years been systematically diluting their extra-virgin olive oil with cheap, highly-refined hazelnut oil imported from Turkey. [1]

A 1996 study by the FDA found that 96 percent of the olive oils they tested, while being labeled 100 percent olive oil, had been diluted with other oils. A study in Italy found that only 40 percent of the olive oil brands labeled “extra-virgin” actually met those standards. Italy produces 400,000 tons of olive oil for domestic consumption, but 750,000 tons are sold. The difference is made up with highly refined nut and seed oils. [2]
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.
Celeste,

If your soap recipe(s) is not proprietary......please share with us.

tks

cub
 

It'sJustMe

Deceased
I had one bottle of EVO from Costco go cloudy and crystalized, once, after Y2K. Been buying from them for 20 years, and only had that one bottle go bad, though, in all that time.
 
2.5 pounds cold distilled water
1.67 oz lye
4 pounds olive oil
2 pounds 8 oz coconut oil
1 pound 8 oz palm oil
8 oz cold goat milk (or other animal milk, but not low fat)

Optional: essential oils, clays, herbs and flowers

PAM or oil your soap molds (so that the soap won't stick to the mold)

Melt oils together in a pan placed in hot water bath canner Heat until oils have completely dissolved.

Put the distilled cold water in a 1 gallon glass jar with 2 holes poked in the jar lid.

Slowly add the lye., mix until completely dissolved

Cool down both the oils and the lye to 80-90 degrees. One can be 80 and the other 90, or both the same.

Add goat milk to the lye mixture when it is between 80-90, put the jar lid on.

Slowly pout the lye-water-goat milk mixture through one of the poked holes into the melted oils.

Mix with a stick blender about 10 minutes or until a light trace. Light trace is when you swirl the blender above the mixture and you can somewhat see the swirls.

You can divide up the soap into various bowls to make different colors and scents.

Mix in color and scent and thoroughly blend

Pour into soap molds.

Cover with a blanket for 24-48 hours.

Uncover and put in the freezer..

Unmold.

Let cure on racks for 6-12 weeks. The longer it air dries the denser it will become and the longer lasting it will be. A bar of soap can last up to 1 year making it very economical.

I have other recipes too and also can make a variant using wood ashes for the lye and animal fat for the oils when one can no longer buy.

Hope this helps...you can see our products at: http://www.etsy.com/shop/shepherdsheartsoap

Celeste
 
Good advice, although this recipe has been used for 14 years. Soap making is chemistry and very precise. One must weigh out the ingredients not just go by what it says on the measuring cup. To much oil and your soap will not form, to much lye and it can develop lye pockets and burn skin. Many people are scared of lye but all you need is a jar of vinegar and it neutralizes it ASAP. And lye soap is the best and most economical that there is.

Celeste
 

WhataKlown

Contributing Member
I had a bottle of olive oil end up in the refrigerator and it crystallized. It looked a lot like lime sherbet. After a couple of hours on the counter top, it liquefied back to normal.

WK
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
And lye soap is the best and most economical that there is.

Do you have any problems sourcing the lye in the present regulatory environment? I understand that "Red Devil" is no longer available over the counter at many hardware stores.

Owner experimented for a while with waste cooking oil as a substitute for diesel fuel for that 2640 John Deere Tractor. Lye/Alcohol (methyl-hydroxide) was the trans-esterification agent (NASTY stuff!) He gave it up pronto when the restaurants started charging him for taking their waste oil.

Joe
 

TexasQF

Senior Member
I've had no trouble getting lye. A couple hours from me was a soap & candle supply store, then I split a couple orders with a friend and fellow soaper. Now I am ordering direct from Houston about 4hrs away, but when a friend can pick it up (lives by Houston) it is a better deal for us both.
 

TexasQF

Senior Member
And agreeing on precise weights.

Lye is not scary... just needs to be respected.

Any changes I make I still run through the sage just to double check myself.
 

Golden Eagle

Contributing Member
Celeste-

Thank you very much for the heads-up and also for your soap recipe. I've been interested in getting into soap-making for some time. Nice of you to share with us!
 
Do you have any problems sourcing the lye in the present regulatory environment? I understand that "Red Devil" is no longer available over the counter at many hardware stores.

Joe

I get my lye at chemical warehouses in 50 pound bags, about $89 a bag. Of course, they do ask you for everything including your first-born. Actually, if you tell them it is for soap I have never encountered a problem.

Celeste

Celeste
 
If any of y'all have questions I am open to sharing the ins and outs of soap-making. After all, that is how I learned, with kindhearted folks. For me the most fun is making my soap forms of artistry that are healing :-)

Celeste
 
I had a bottle of olive oil end up in the refrigerator and it crystallized. It looked a lot like lime sherbet. After a couple of hours on the counter top, it liquefied back to normal.

WK

Cold olive oil will get cloudy but not form a distinct crystal or crystal precipitation.

Celeste
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have never made soap before but when you said that the oil smelled funny, it reminded me of when my mom and dad worked for the state dept. and were sent to the US embassy in Tehran in the late 40's and early 50's.

Mom said that the soap they made in Iran stunk to high heaven because they used sheep fat for their soap (Iranian sheep there are what they call 'fatty tails' because all the fat is in they're butts and the meat is nice and lean) so anyway, she ended up having soap from the states sent in the diplomatic pouch and of course lots and lots of cured hams for the parties (this smuggled in of course as my dad and general Hagigi's son were the most important part of these parties, they were the moonshiners!).

So Celeste, although your not consuming the crystalized oil, woulnd't it make the soaps smell really off? And what are those crystals anyway? Could that be dangerous to use for people with very sensitive skins? So many things could go wrong when using an iffy oil. V
 

ElkHollow

Veteran Member
The FDA allows manufacturers to put less than 2% of any ingredient into a product without listing it on the label.

I had heard several years ago that olive oils are cut with hazelnut oil to cut costs. I've not purchased Costco/Sam's/Grocery olive oils in 10+ years.

We were visiting a restaurant in Sonoma, CA, an Italian restaurant off the square called Santini's. They had THE best tasting and most beautiful-colored olive oil I had ever seen. I inquired and found out that they purchase imported olive oil from Lucca, Italy. I've been purchasing the same oil ever since. Never again will I eat olive oil that is not pure.

Mrs. E............

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Grantbo

Membership Revoked
I saw this thread so decided to check on my supply of Costco 'Kirkland' olive oil. Looks good.

I did however find a 5 year old bottle of honey that was completely gummed up. It's now sitting in some warming water to get it back into shape.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Hey Celeste, thanks for the soap recipe, are you sure the lye amount is correct? I ran it through the sage, and got 18.46 ounces of Lye to superfat (optimum fat content for soap making for those who don't make soap)-you've got 1.67 oz, I think you left out a number.

Interesting method of soapmaking I've never done it that way before. Just for a variation (I'm sure others have other ways of doing it) this is what I did when I had my cosmetic business:

In a tupperware type plastic pitcher with handle get liquid (water and/or milk) as cold as possible, just over 32F is good as the lye heats up extremely quickly and especially with goat milk. Before I add lye I add a teaspoon of sugar and a teaspoon of salt, one makes a more sudsy bar, the other makes a harder bar-the harder the bar the longer it lasts, stir to dissolve. You can also add chunks of an old silk shirt or scarf, up to a tablespoon just before adding the lye and mix it in well. If you can mix it outside where it's cold that is good, slowly add the lye (wear safety glasses, lye burns suck) into the water stirring as you do it until it's all incorporated into the water, this will put off some fumes you don't want to inhale, you'll catch a whiff and know why. I let my water sit outside in a safe place (where it can't be knocked over) until it cools of a bit and use a meat thermometer to test temperature often.

I slowly melt my oils, I usually use a bit more cocoanut oil to make a harder bar, palm kernel oil will also help with this. I melt slowly to keep temperature down so there is less time in mixing, and I mix this in a stainless steel pot with high sides. I turn off the burner with the oils on it when the lye mixture is about 130F outside, the goal is to mix when both oil and lye are approximately the same temperature, as near 100F as possible without the fats (oils) beginning to solidify. Once both fats and lye are at 100F, using a stick blender in the fats, pour the lye mixture very slowly into the fats as the stick blender is mixing the two, and continue to do so for a few minutes, then turn off the blender and lift it out and drizzle the soap (it's nearly soap by now) over the surface of the fat/oil mix-once it begins to trace (as Celeste said, it leaves a trail on the surface of the fat/oil mix) then add your fragrance oils if you have any and watch for the soap to start getting hard (inferior oils will seize some soap batches and make them rock hard before you can get them out of the pot). I usually give the whole thing a few quick turns with the stick blender to make sure it's all mixed (sometimes the fragrance/essential oil will react and reheat the mixture a bit) then pour into molds.

You can use anything for a mold so long as you line it with wax paper, I've used candy molds without lining, as they're flexible, also silicone cake molds will work too. The smaller the bar the faster it will cure. Anyway, the longest I've ever had to leave a bar to harden is 2 days before I could pop it out of a small mold, but usually my soaps will come out within 12 hours. Once all the soap is in molds, cover with a towel overnight. Also, for easiest cleanup, leave the whole mess until morning to clean, by then it's soap and cleans up easily.

You can add ground oatmeal, herbs and flowers (they usually turn dark) and other things to your soap once you get the hang of it, and remember to start out small, making soap can be spendy and you don't want to mess up with a big batch. Smaller batches if you don't like the smell or color can be ground up and used with other things for laundry detergent (someone else posted the recipe here a few days ago) or you can crumble them and add them as specks to your next batch of soap for some color.

If I had my soap recipe book here I'd share some of my recipes, if I can find it I will at another time. I always used www.the-sage.com Lye Calculator to figure my lye/water/oil amounts, and I always got excellent results. I think Summerthyme also makes soap and has contributed some really good advice as well, nice to know we have so many soapers here.

I use to use Costco light olive oil for soapmaking and always had good results but never had any crystalize on me-makes one wonder what else is added to make it do that. I know some oil extraction methods use hexane, especially for cocoanut oil, perhaps the crystals are the result of a chemical oil extraction instead of pressing, though I've never heard of them doing that to olive oil before.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
The FDA allows manufacturers to put less than 2% of any ingredient into a product without listing it on the label.

I had heard several years ago that olive oils are cut with hazelnut oil to cut costs. I've not purchased Costco/Sam's/Grocery olive oils in 10+ years.

We were visiting a restaurant in Sonoma, CA, an Italian restaurant off the square called Santini's. They had THE best tasting and most beautiful-colored olive oil I had ever seen. I inquired and found out that they purchase imported olive oil from Lucca, Italy. I've been purchasing the same oil ever since. Never again will I eat olive oil that is not pure.

Mrs. E............

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Well since olive oil is a booming market in california I would hope they are now making themselves instead of importing it
 

It'sJustMe

Deceased
Here's an interesting article on olive oils I just found, rating Costco as #1:

http://addictedtocostco.com/2010/07/29/kirkland-signature-extra-virgin-olive-oil-best-imported-oil/

Kirkland Signature Extra Virgin Olive Oil Best Imported Oil
July 29th, 2010 · 20 Comments

If you shop at Costco and use a fair amount of olive oil, you have probably picked up the Kirkland Signature Extra Virgin Olive Oil. Or at least considered it. But did you ever wonder how it stacks up against other extra virgin olive oils that are on the market? And what is so special about extra virgin olive oil anyway? Recently, results from a UC Davis study were released regarding the standards of extra virgin olive oils that are on the market in the US. After looking at the results, it’s clear that the Kirkland Signature extra virgin olive oil is not only a great bargain price-wise, but is also some of the best quality olive oil on the market in the US.

But before I get to the exciting bit, I’ll fill you in on a bit of olive oil information. Currently, the US is the third largest market for olive oil with Americans consuming more than 75 million gallons last year. That figure represents a doubling in US consumption over the last decade. As a result of this growing level of consumption, I’m sure, the USDA has decided that it is time to start getting a little more structured about what can be sold as ‘extra virgin’ vs. ‘virgin’ olive oil. So, starting in the fall, the USDA will roll out new, voluntary, labeling standards for olive oils sold in the US. This is great for consumers because it means that companies will have to start being more up front about the acidity levels of their oils, as well as the process they used to extract the oil from the olives. More knowledge about what you’re eating is always good, right?

Snip....click link for the list of those that didn't pass the testing....
 
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lostinaz

Senior Member
If any of y'all have questions I am open to sharing the ins and outs of soap-making. After all, that is how I learned, with kindhearted folks. For me the most fun is making my soap forms of artistry that are healing :-)

Celeste

Yes please. I'm very interested in the viability of a soap-making business.
 
Viability is excellent. Farmers Markets are the best venue for the money, while they last anyhow. There is a significant up front cost for materials and the tendency is to charge a WalMart price for an beauty bar with real ingredients. Conditioning. Let's put it in perspective, back in 1980 a 5 oz bar of the recipe I shared online sold for $20 a bar. That is right, $20 a bar. We make a wide range or prices from $3-to $20 plus other natural and pure beauty products. 14 years later...we do pretty good. Some bars just fly off the shelf while others sit there.

Celeste
 
My business partner and I found that most animal fat soaps do have an odor. Interesting that you mention fat tails.... what you say is true but would you like to hear something interesting? In the Bible people and animals have places that are holy unto the Lord. The fat tail of the sheep is holy unto the Lord and this is precisely the place they are focusing on for their electronic identification. In people the forehead and the right hand are holy unto the Lord (actually out whole bodies are but these two are mentioned) and those are exactly the places they want to put the electronic identification, when it comes to that...

Back to soap making...the odor is not great so the essential oils would cover it up. My dilemma is that I do not know what those crystals are or if they are harmful to humans. Since we make only high end products we don't want to use any "iffy" oils.

Celeste

I have never made soap before but when you said that the oil smelled funny, it reminded me of when my mom and dad worked for the state dept. and were sent to the US embassy in Tehran in the late 40's and early 50's.

Mom said that the soap they made in Iran stunk to high heaven because they used sheep fat for their soap (Iranian sheep there are what they call 'fatty tails' because all the fat is in they're butts and the meat is nice and lean) so anyway, she ended up having soap from the states sent in the diplomatic pouch and of course lots and lots of cured hams for the parties (this smuggled in of course as my dad and general Hagigi's son were the most important part of these parties, they were the moonshiners!).

So Celeste, although your not consuming the crystalized oil, woulnd't it make the soaps smell really off? And what are those crystals anyway? Could that be dangerous to use for people with very sensitive skins? So many things could go wrong when using an iffy oil. V
 
Take a peek at who stopped by this morning

As is my custom I went over to the stats for my website and look who visited this morning.

Now why would the Department of Defense be looking at crystallized olive oil? Well I can give one hint and that is frequency warfare. Loading peoples bodies up with a high crystal content (other food products are being does with crystals besides olive oil) and then modulating frequencies any organ or tissue can be damaged or destroyed. A AF manual goes into depth regarding radio-frequency interference with the human thermo-regulatory system which is typically adjusted in the body by the hypothalmus and hormones.

An essential element of the research in biological effects of RFR is dosimetry--the determination of energy absorbed by an object exposed to the electromagnetic (EM) fields composing RFR. Since the energy absorbed is directly related to the internal EM fields (that is, the EM fields inside the object, not the EM fields incident upon the object), dosimetry is also interpreted to mean the determination of internal EM fields. The internal and incident EM fields can be quite different, depending on the size and shape of the object, its electrical properties, its orientation with respect to the incident EM fields, and the frequency of the incident fields. Because any biological effects will be related directly to the internal fields, any cause-and-effect relationship must be formulated in terms of these fields, not the incident fields.

Since I began this thread I had hits from around the world so this is not some isolated incident.

From the trenches of liberty,
Celeste
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Now why would the Department of Defense be looking at crystallized olive oil? Well I can give one hint and that is frequency warfare.

There are two better reasons. First, someone at DOD is also a TB2K reader, and browsed your site from work. Second, TB2K is one of the sites they notice, and they saw a bunch of jumps to your site from TB2K, so they added you to the list of sites they notice.

Either one seems a better explanation than that you have somehow twigged to a major NWO secret plot.
 
We must all be like Bereans, checking and validating all information we receive and sifting it through the Word. I am just putting it out there so folks are not blind-sided if they run into it. If one chooses not to believe the issue exists, then at least in image, it is still a free country, and I am not offended by it. But the reasons you may want to at least tuck it under your hat:

1. It was an old thread, over a month.
2. People within the last few days are being hospitalized for hypothermic conditions when they are not in cold conditions
3. Go to the AF Dosimetry Manual and check it out for yourself
4. Hits from around the world on this issue, while it is possible they all may be TB subscribers it is highly unlikely, as many were from other countries, such as China and there was no evidence connecting them to TB
5. Obviously the FDA/USDA know about the organ and tissue destruction. This is a scientist on the crystal issue, who tripped on it:
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/AnimalHealthLiteracy/ucm215253.htm but this was on a USDA site.
6. Len Horowicz has done research and written on the crystal frequency issue. I do not agree with all his hypothesis but he does have FOIA evidence.
7. In my own medical research I have discovered that many weaponized pathogens have a crystalline element to them.
8. Other activity that I will not elaborate on, but am watching.
9. This is not my first encounter with agencies on site so I don't sweat the small stuff. Not to mention they don't intimidate me at all, I fear God alone.
10. Primarily: My dog died from the crystal issue, so I know how lethal it is. And that my friend is not a conspiracy theory. She is dead and buried. I almost made the decision to go to court over it but we make plans, but God has His own.

From the trenches,
Celeste
 

Captain D

Senior Member
I almost always refrigerate my olive oil to keep it from going rancid, and it is quite normal for the crystals to form. Sometimes they will go away if you allow the oil a long enough time to warm up. It helps to shake the oil, too. Although the crystals are visually unappealing, I've never found that they affect the oilve oil in any way. BTW, it happens with all the brands I use, which range from Wal-Mart's to the good brand names.
 
Our oil was kept warm, we go through the oil quickly so it does not get a chance to age. Typically, we have found in the past olive oil getting cold solidifies but does not form these particular crystals. To be honest, unless one could send it to a lab for analysis we don't know what they are. We chose a different supplier and have had no problem. We did not want to expose the public to an unknown. Labs are to costly unless one is a larger company.

Celeste
 
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