CORONA Corona-“Home Remedies”

Samuel Adams

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In all of the understandable confusion and urgency regarding the “corona virus” and related threads herein, I have seen scattered bits and pieces of valuable information from the likes of Doc and Rondaben regarding herbal and otherwise “alternative” remedies that I believe will be crucial in the weeks and months to come.

I would like to kick this off with Doc’s post, buried in the main thread, which I think is phenomenal......

“Since there are no antibiotics that work for this outbreak, here are a few natural herbal support and supplementation notes for the corona virus. They could save your life:

Vitamin D The only supplement I recommend adding if your diet is adequately plant based. Recommended blood test levels are around 35 ng/mL, but that’s just for adequate calcium metabolism. For immune function, required levels are closer to 50 ng/mL. Supplementation with 5,000 IU daily is necessary.

Andrographis Also called the “king of bitters”, this herb has shown excellent results when combined with Siberian Ginseng in large trials for the flu. It has antiviral effect and also improves GI tract function and may help regulate cytokine activity and prevent the cytokine storm. dried herb - 1.5- 5 g/day; tea- 1/2- 1 teasp. steeped in 8 oz water, drink 4oz 3 X day tincture- 20-60 drops 3 X day. standardized tablets- 100mg. w/ 5mg andrographolide and deoxyandrographolide, take 4 tablets 3Xday

Astragalus as a preventative, it should be withdrawn once symptoms begin. Take 3-5 grams of root daily in capsule, or simmer 2-3 TBS in a pint of water and drink through the day. Tinctures are taken at 1 tsp doses once or twice daily.
Garlic Directly antiviral, ameliorates influenza symptoms, and its pungent compounds have been found to reduce cytokine storm. 3-4 cloves daily is ideal, as close to freshly cut as possible (chop first).

Herbs that are directly anti-influenza: Note: for most antiviral herbs, frequent dosing is relatively important in order to maintain physiological levels of herbal medicine ahead of the viral replication curves. Viral populations can easily more than double in an 8 hour period, so it is beneficial to work with antiviral and anti-inflammatory herbs on a 6-8 dose/day schedule.

Elderberry Amazing clinical results against most influenza strains. Safe for H1N1, perhaps caution in H5N1 or other cytokine-storm-inducing strains due to potential TNF stimulation. Use syrups (1TBS 3-5 times daily) or a fresh preserved succus / juice at the rate of 1tsp every 2-3 hours. Elder flower tea is useful also, as a cooling way to induce sweating in the latter phases. Echinacea There is evidence of activity against influenza viruses, especially when combined with Thuja and Wild Indigo (Esberitox). It is potentially contraindicated in cytokine-storm influenza. Use Esberitox, or a good fresh tincture at doses of 1tsp. every 3-4 hours. Usually best at the first signs of imbalance – fatigue, sore throat, headache.

Herbs that reduce cytokine storm activity and buffer “hot” influenza symptoms:

Baikal Scullcap root Reduces cytokine storm and acts as an inhibitor of influenza symptoms. Take 60-90 drops three times a day of a good tincture. Avoid in cases of diarrhea.

Salvia milthiorrhiza root Immunomodulant for cytokine storm, esp. with a constricted, wiry pulse. Take ½ tsp. of a good tincture three times daily.

Ginger and Turmeric Both rhizomes are anti-inflammatory and inhibit inflammatory cytokines. This protects respiratory tissue as well as relieving symptoms. Most indicated in the initial phases of the flu as warming agents. Add fresh ginger to teas, or use powders of both at doses of 1- 3 grams 2-3 times daily (about ¼ to ½ tsp.).

St. John’s wort This is a potent antiviral herb, prized as a restorative in deficient, depleted constitutions. Modern evidence points not only to its pharmacological effect on dampening the cytokine storm by suppressing IL-6 and MAPK, but also to its targeted and specific antiviral effect against the H5N1 strains of bird flu, both in the petri dish and in infected poultry. The dose of tincture is 90-120 drops three times daily.

Adjuvant herbs (beyond the virus and inflammation):

Dry, spasmodic cough: A very intense and painful cough can accompany H1N1 2009 influenza. It usually appears after the first 24 hours or so, and affects the beginning of the bronchial tree causing violent coughing with whole-body spasms. The warm drying expectorants (such as Elecampane, Mullein, and Aster) are probably best avoided in favor of the soothing, demulcent expectorants listed below.

Licorice Its antiviral action may be due in part to the inhibition of virulence factors such as the hemagglutin proteins on the viral capsule. While it is still unclear if it has specific inhibitory effect on H1N1 or H5N1 strains, it remains an excellent demulcent for people of all ages and reliably loosens the dry cough within a day or at most two. This is especially important to help with disturbed sleep. Tincture, 2 droppers in a little water every 2-4 hours. Infusion, 1 TBS of root per cup. 1-2 TBS of infusion every 2-4 hours.

Pleurisy root, Butterfly weed This demulcent expectorant is particularly indicated if the re is a burning sensation in the chest wall that accompanies the cough. Any spitting of blood, while perhaps a clear sign of cytokine storm and certainly of the need for immediate treatment, was traditionally an indication for this herb. It is also relaxing and mildly diaphoretic. Take 30-60 drops of the tincture 3 times a day.

Lobelia Strongly antispasmodic, it relieves the whole-body paroxysms associated with the dry bronchial cough and is also a gentle expectorant. Use 10-30 drops of tincture every 3 hours or so, depending on tolerance because it is quite nauseating if given in excess.

Wild Cherry, Peach pit These herbs contain glycosides of hydrogen cyanide (HCN), which in small doses is calmative and strongly antispasmodic to the lungs. They are valuable as part of a comprehensive protocol that also includes expectorants and antiviral herbs. Cold-infusion is best. Heating dissipates HCN readily tincture is dosed 5-30 drops bid. Wild Cherry bark syrup: 1 pint overnight cold infusion of 1 oz bark; strain, add 2 lbs honey.

Honeysuckle flower This remedy from the Chinese pharmacopoeia helps to cool and break a fever. Best during the first and early second stages of the flu to release internal heat and bring warmth to the surface. Usually infused, along with Platycodon for the lungs, Catnip as another antiviral diaphoretic, peach pit as a pulmonary antispasmodic, and Licorice. Catnip herb Especially useful as a mildly calmative antiviral diaphoretic for kids. Usually added to tea blends, perhaps with a little Ginger and/or Licorice.

Peppermint Has some mild antiviral quality, and certainly is cooling and helps break a fever, as well as improve the flavor of herbs such as Boneset. A classic formula: equal parts of Peppermint, Boneset, Elderflower, and Yarrow in the late first / early second stage of the flu, when heat is manifest but the skin still dry and the body still achy, with a tense, tight pulse.

Bitter tonic herbs with antiviral / mucosal tonic effect: Goldenseal Not antiviral, but astringent and tonifying to the upper respiratory mucosa. Can alleviate congestion and improve appetite in the second or third stages of the flu.”

Please, Rondaben and others,
let’s workshop this thing.....
From start to finish, what to expect/how to combat, each step of the way.

We might as well all come away from this thing extensively better educated.

Never let a crisis go to waste?
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
It seems like at least 90% of afflicted people recover fully. A little supportive home care is a good thing, because if it becomes widespread, you will be recovering from home, as will the rest of your household.
 

Hfcomms

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Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus

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Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Jan 26, 2020

by Andrew W. Saul, Editor

(OMNS January 26, 2020) The coronavirus pandemic can be dramatically slowed, or stopped, with the immediate widespread use of high doses of vitamin C. Physicians have demonstrated the powerful antiviral action of vitamin C for decades. There has been a lack of media coverage of this effective and successful approach against viruses in general, and coronavirus in particular.

It is very important to maximize the body's anti-oxidative capacity and natural immunity to prevent and minimize symptoms when a virus attacks the human body. The host environment is crucial. Preventing is obviously easier than treating severe illness. But treat serious illness seriously. Do not hesitate to seek medical attention. It is not an either-or choice. Vitamin C can be used right along with medicines when they are indicated.

"I have not seen any flu yet that was not cured or markedly ameliorated by massive doses of vitamin C."
(Robert F. Cathcart, MD)

The physicians of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service and the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine urge a nutrient-based method to prevent or minimize symptoms for future viral infection. The following inexpensive supplemental levels are recommended for adults; for children reduce these in proportion to body weight:

Vitamin C: 3,000 milligrams (or more) daily, in divided doses.

Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000)

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form)

Zinc: 20 mg daily

Selenium: 100 mcg (micrograms) daily

Vitamin C [1], Vitamin D [2], magnesium [3], zinc [4], and selenium [5] have been shown to strengthen the immune system against viruses.

The basis for using high doses of vitamin C to prevent and combat virus-caused illness may be traced back to vitamin C's early success against polio, first reported in the late 1940s.[6] Many people are unaware, even surprised, to learn this. Further clinical evidence built up over the decades, leading to an anti-virus protocol published in 1980.[7]

It is important to remember that preventing and treating respiratory infections with large amounts of vitamin C is well established. Those who believe that vitamin C generally has merit, but massive doses are ineffective or somehow harmful, will do well to read the original papers for themselves. To dismiss the work of these doctors simply because they had success so long ago sidesteps a more important question: Why has the benefit of their clinical experience not been presented to the public by responsible governmental authorities, especially in the face of a viral pandemic?

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Hfcomms

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The above is well sourced. I have taken three grams of vitamin C daily for a few years along with D3 5000 i.u. in winters and I just upped the D3 to 10,000 i.u. daily.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
Thanks for the Vit. C references, HF.

Having long been a student of the far north and extreme pioneering, I early on saw great irony in that so many northerners and other remote travelers and inhabitants in the far reaches died of scurvy......likely often solacing themselves in their final moments under the protection branches of a coniferous, whose needles are rich in vitamin C.
Pine needle tea, steeped and never boiled, is a bit of a bland flavor, but certainly doable. A little vinegar and honey (or just honey, for the less adventurous) spices pine tea up nicely.

Also notes that the common violet offers, in its leaves and flowers, one of most highly concentrated sources of vitamin C known in the natural world. I put mine in salads and look forward to them each year, following the winter diet.
 

bsharp

Veteran Member
I also have ramped up my vitaminC lately. 2 1000 mg tablets morning and night. Dr Saul recommends that if you start coming down with something, take 2 tablets every 2 hours. Doses need to be spaced out. He documents that no one has ever overdosed from Vitamin C in his book “Doctor Yourself”. That book has a lot of good info!

I also am taking DoTerra’s On Guard soft gels for immune support. I use their Breathe blend essential oil in a diffuser at night while I sleep. Fewer asthma problems when I do.
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
Thank Doc, Rondaben and those others here who have been blessed with this knowledge and experience. :)

I just grew weary of searching for the pearls by wading through the mud....
Thanks so much, Sam, for posting this! I, too, was trying to search for those pearls, especially about what would help in preventing a cytokine storm!
 

Samuel Adams

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I particularly liked Doc’s reference to wild cherry bark for “the storm”.

Got plenty o’ that around here.
 

Sacajawea

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I have had good results for both warding off & shortening duration of flu with Occilloscoccinum. This is a homeopathic remedy and is readily available over the counter in drug stores, and some other places like grocery stores or Dollar stores.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Never let a crisis go to waste?

Never let SOMEONE ELSE'S crisis go to waste :D

Many thanks to all the root doctors here who have offered advice and education through the years.
 

Sacajawea

Veteran Member
I second moldy's recommendation. I've already started digging through my copy and marking up relevant pages.

Doc's list includes almost all of the medicinal herb seeds I bought to get my garden established this spring.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
My understanding is that all those conifers sport a good source of C.

Even heard that Juniper berries are good for that.

One reason I posted the thread was to get the experts’ perspectives on what some of us “think” we know ?
 

Blinker

Senior Member
In considering all possible responses a desperate government might make, I remember a plot device made in the unabridged book version of "The Stand". In it after the failure of the top general in charge of trying to contain the virus, he was involved in sending out agents to spread it to other parts of the world. This was done as to not give anyone overseas time to possibly find a cure which would allow their county to survive intact and become the dominate global power.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
As far a China is concerned, I see more "face" being involved here than Machiavellian geopolitics - and I am not one to trust the Han.

FWIW, YMMV of course.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
I thought with cytokine you don't want vitamins...….??
Exactly !!

The weapons grade flu experience is apparently quite the tightrope walk.

When in the cycle are vitamins at their greatest value ?
“C”, especially ?
I rather suspect that the cherry bark and similar remedies aren’t used for their vitamin content. I would like to see what Doc has to say about what it is in cherry bark and other herbs that help calm “the storm”.

Expert perspective, anyone ?

Another home remedy that I’ve had personal experience with is good chicken broth.
Apparently there is a saying with some Native American tribes, “chicken broth can raise the dead”.

Having suffered a few serious bouts with good old, all American flu in years past....and being an avid home-raised chicken enthusiast, I recall one particular year where Eldest Son and I were down for the proverbial count...aching joints, zero energy, etc., and I feebly instructed my eldest daughter to kill an older hen and get her simmering on the wood stove.
That was early morning. By late afternoon the broth was rich enough. I had her add good mineral salt, to taste, and bring each of us immediately afflicted (about day three if I recall, all nausea having passed) a steaming cup.
Within a half hour, both my son and I experienced a night and day difference and were up and about with renewed energy and no joint pain.

Since that time I have read that the body, during severe flu, begins to rob the joints for protein, etc., hence the pain in those areas. Chicken broth replenishes the protein and other lost nutrients, thus relieving the joints and super-nourishing the worn out and over taxed body.

Thoughts ? Expert perspectives ?
 

moldy

Veteran Member
I am giving a class Thursday on immune support during cold and flu season. I will try to post most of the content here, but my time is limited. Give me a bit to run errands this am, and I will try to get it up. I need to put my thoughts together - might as well do it here to share and give my self a class outline.
 

tiredude

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Thank you Moldy.... I am trying to wrap my head around this as to what the protocol need to be..... I get the protective devices, etc...... but am confused to the herbal/vitamins/medicine side...…?? Any education would be greatly appreciated.
 

Old as dirt

Old as dirt
Chicken broth works, And pineapple juice will help with lung problems. congestion. Worked in the depression days that I lived through.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
Well, here goes. Some things are common sense, but well, common sense is not common anymore.
- Wash your hands. Frequently with soap and water and lots of friction long enough to sing "Happy Birthday" song twice. This works as well, or better than hand sanitizer. For the places that you can't wash, use hand sanitizer liberally. I keep some in my car and use it when I leave anywhere (store, work, any place but home) or if I handle money. Money is gross - use your imagination to think about where it may have been. Pay attention to the backs of your hands and fingers (that's where most people miss with the sanitizer).
- Cover your coughs and sneezes with your elbow. If you are feeling ill, or you are immunosuppressed, wear a mask!
- Avoid physical contact if possible. You can nod instead of shake hands. State that you don't want to put the other person at risk as a way of avoiding offense (on their part). DO NOT KISS BABIES!!!
- If you are around sick people, go straight home. Don't run to the grocery store or the post office in your uniform. I don't care if you work at a clinic, dentist's office, or the CDC - just don't do it.
- Decrease your sugar and alcohol intake. 100 gms of sugar (not much!) can decrease some immune cell function up to 5 hours post ingestion. This includes juices. If you must do an electrolyte replacement, I would suggest the drinks by Body Armor. Yes, they still have sugar - but it's not high fructose corn syrup. They are just better quality, I think.
- Your skin is the biggest barrier to all disease. Keep it healthy. Moisturize and hydrate. I get that you may have to use benadryl or mucinex, but try to avoid it if possible. Drink lots of fluids - at minimum, drink half your weight in pounds in ounces. If you weigh 100 lbs, drink 50 ounces. Tea, broth, water - they all count. Staying well-hydrated should also keep your mucous membranes more healthy and able to fight off bacteria and viruses.
- Sleep. Get plenty of sleep and rest. This is not the time to see how far you can push yourself. If you get the flu, please continue to rest as much as possible as long as possible. No one will care what your house looks like if you are dead. And trust me, no matter how bad it looks to you, the ambulance crew has seen worse. Call them if you need to.
- Fever. The nurse in me says that if it is greater than 101 degrees and not coming down, you should see your doctor or go the ER. The herbalist, well - let's go a little higher. Much more than 103.5 gets in dangerous territory, but your body has a fever for a reason. It is trying to burn off the illness. I'm not a fan of fever reducers - and they are in almost every combination drug (Nyquil, Dayquil, any 'flu' formula that is over the counter). When I start feeling icky, one of my first things to go to is to get in the hot tub (set at 104) and drink some hot tea, then straight to bed all bundled up to sleep.
- Supplements. Vitamin D3 (5000 IU daily). Most of us (unless you live in the southern hemisphere) aren't getting much sunlight this time of year. Vitamin D helps keep our mucous membranes intact by providing tight junctions between cells. Keep the nasties out!
- Vitamin C. Up to a gram a day. If you get too much, you will lose it via your bowel tract.
- Zinc.

Next up - recipes.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
Bone broth (or stock as it used to be called....)
Take about a pound or two of bones (chicken, beef, turkey) and add to a crockpot. This is my preferred method, but you could use a pot on the stove or an instant pot. Add a tablespoon or two of vinegar. This will help to pull out calcium and makes the stock more flavorful (and any meat on the bones more tender). Now that I think about it, I wonder if chicken has enough tryptophan that it makes a better stock for illness (makes you more relaxed and able to sleep more...).

I put my herbs in a coffee filter to be able to pull them out easier, but you can add directly to the stock then strain them out. Make your herb packet:
- 3 grams each of reishi mushroom, chaga mushroom, astragalus, nettles, rose hips, burdock root, turmeric, ginger, kelp (or other seaweed). Preferably these are all cut and sifted dried material. If you can get fresh turmeric and ginger, even better. I have not been able to find fresh turmeric, so I would leave that out and add maybe about 1/2 teaspoon of powder at the end. I would also add about 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of thyme. Add veggies (cooked) if you want a more substantial broth. If you add onion or garlic, add just at the end. Their constituents are heat sensitive. Add the herb packet to the bones and vinegar and add 2 quarts of water. Cook for a minimum of 8 hours in the crockpot, but you can cook it for up to 72 (longer is better). Just keep adding water as it evaporates. Remove the herb packet and squeeze gently. You can use the same herb packet for 2-3 batches of broth. Most of the herbs are roots/really hard mushrooms and will not extract everything on the first recipe. Put it in your freezer in a ziploc bag and use again.

IF YOU CAN ONLY GET POWDERS: Powders are much more powerful in some ways, because you are consuming them (vs composting the herbs after removing from the last batch of soup). Use only about 1/4 to 1/6 of the weight listed above if using powders.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
Tea:
- 1 part each: yarrow, elderberry flowers (or berry - whichever you have), ginger, and licorice. 1/2 part each peppermint and rose hips.
I made this using a tablespoon each (1/2 tblsp of mint and rose) for a quart. Add boiling water and let steep at least 20 minutes (covered). Drink hot or cold. Hot will make you sweat more (due to the yarrow) or pee (again due to the yarrow) if cold. Licorice is not anise flavored. It is the root of the Glycyrrihiza glabra plant and really doesn't have a flavor at all, except sweet. This will taste like a sweet mint tea (although it does have that herby undertone). Licorice is a great immunomodulator and boosts your immune system very well. However, if you have high blood pressure, it can cause kidney issues. Do not use for more than 2 weeks without physician approval.

If you're feeling brave, add about 1/8 tsp cayenne to the tea. This will help it circulate a little faster.

If you have questions, please ask. I do work the next few days, so please like or somehow note this, so I remember to check this thread.
 

JMG91

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I also pored through my copy of "Herbal Antivirals," and was able to glean some useful information for myself. I am in a bit of a difficult situation right now as I am pregnant, and cannot take most of the recommended herbs. During pregnancy, elderberry and olive leaf extract is recommended by midwives at several states' universities for the treatment and prevention of flu and other similar maladies. I make my own elderberry syrup, and purchased my olive leave extract from Mountain Meadow Herbs, who actually give you the dosages for each group of people, including young children and babies.

Olive Leaf Extract (4 oz.)
 

Pinecone

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I also pored through my copy of "Herbal Antivirals," and was able to glean some useful information for myself. I am in a bit of a difficult situation right now as I am pregnant, and cannot take most of the recommended herbs. During pregnancy, elderberry and olive leaf extract is recommended by midwives at several states' universities for the treatment and prevention of flu and other similar maladies. I make my own elderberry syrup, and purchased my olive leave extract from Mountain Meadow Herbs, who actually give you the dosages for each group of people, including young children and babies.

Olive Leaf Extract (4 oz.)
Congratulations! May you and the baby have a peaceful, healthy pregnancy and delivery.
 

Samuel Adams

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Tea:
- 1 part each: yarrow, elderberry flowers (or berry - whichever you have), ginger, and licorice. 1/2 part each peppermint and rose hips.
I made this using a tablespoon each (1/2 tblsp of mint and rose) for a quart. Add boiling water and let steep at least 20 minutes (covered). Drink hot or cold. Hot will make you sweat more (due to the yarrow) or pee (again due to the yarrow) if cold. Licorice is not anise flavored. It is the root of the Glycyrrihiza glabra plant and really doesn't have a flavor at all, except sweet. This will taste like a sweet mint tea (although it does have that herby undertone). Licorice is a great immunomodulator and boosts your immune system very well. However, if you have high blood pressure, it can cause kidney issues. Do not use for more than 2 weeks without physician approval.

If you're feeling brave, add about 1/8 tsp cayenne to the tea. This will help it circulate a little faster.

If you have questions, please ask. I do work the next few days, so please like or somehow note this, so I remember to check this thread.
Thank you, Moldy !

This has been good, solid, hands-on stuff.

Do they call you Moldy because you are a walking, organic dose of penicillin for the soul ?
 

ainitfunny

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Tip: Make a NEW house RULE....NO toilet is to be flushed unless the TOILET LID IS DOWN or if there is no lid, stay seated on the toilet while flushing, to avoid the flush aerosolizing bodily liquids with any virus there present.
 

JMG91

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Tip: Make a NEW house RULE....NO toilet is to be flushed unless the TOILET LID IS DOWN or if there is no lid, stay seated on the toilet while flushing, to avoid the flush aerosolizing bodily liquids with any virus there present.
This is a good bit of advice, ainit. Thanks! I didn't even think about that.
 

JMG91

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Congratulations! May you and the baby have a peaceful, healthy pregnancy and delivery.
Thank you! I'm due to have a boy in early June. I hope this whole thing blows over by then. I don't like going to the hospital anyway--too many infections you can pick up there--this just adds another aspect to the problem. One more reason why it's so important to keep one's immune system up and know what you can take to ward off viruses.
 

ainitfunny

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I rather suspect that the cherry bark and similar remedies aren’t used for their vitamin content. I would like to see what Doc has to say about what it is in cherry bark and other herbs that help calm “the storm”.
HERE is an EXCELLENT PAGE TELLING ALL ABOUT MEDICINAL USE OF WILD CHERRY BARK (NOT CHOKECHERRY) (Beware, not too much, it contains cyanide! )

 

ainitfunny

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TIP: I just watched another Japanese medical research program on NHK Japanese Channel. It was a LONG show but it was amazing.

Japanese research physicians are getting unbelievable healing of all kinds of SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITIONS by simply raising the core body temperature by ONE DEGREE! It can be accomplished by putting whole body in 105.8 F bathtub for 10 minutes,

Or, if the patient can't get in tub just soak the feet as high up leg as possible
(in maybe a waste basket of 106F water placed in the tub while patient sits outside tub.) That done 2-3 times a day restored circulation to legs, reduced swelling and healed skin problems. They are relieving migraines, (used 106 degree water in plastic soda bottle which the patient rubs on sides and back of neck.) They put warm water bottle on lap to increase blood flow to thighs and relieved leg pain.

They had an elderly man with congestive heart failure who was so bad off he was put on a transplant list. They gave him the 106F baths (10 min) Or put patients in a DRY SAUNA heated to 106(105.8F) for only 10 min. After a few months of this the guy's heart REDUCED IN SIZE, STOPPED PUMPING BLOOD BACKWARDS AND HE recovered to the point of being able to go for walks!

Those warming sessions stimulated healing in Lupus patients, others began being able to sleep , others quit having leg pains, it helped so many patients they brought out that I WAS TOTALLY CONVINCED that is just what I NEED!

It was amazing to watch the difference in totally bedridden elderly whose legs were put into a warm water container up to the knee for 10 minutes while they lay in bed , those people became "alive" and all SMILED FROM EAR TO EAR, saying it felt "wonderful!" Their moods got better, helped depression, some who could not feel or easily move limbs started moving the limb. It helped stroke patients regain more function of limbs.

I can't even remember all the conditions they tried it on and found that it seemed to spur the healing again, even patients whose healing had hit a plateau, and healing had stopped before it was complete!

Looking back, I now know when I switched from baths to showers I did not notice (but should have) that my general health started to suffer.
 
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Samuel Adams

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HERE is an EXCELLENT PAGE TELLING ALL ABOUT MEDICINAL USE OF WILD CHERRY BARK (NOT CHOKECHERRY) (Beware, not too much, it contains cyanide! )

Thoroughly enjoyed that read, Ainit.

Several times I’ve come across information claiming that the cyanide in almond, apricot and cherry is anticarcinogenic.
The cherry sure has a lot more to go along with that.

Back when I was a kid, I had a shelf stocked with peanut butter jars full of the more common woodland herbs, roots, bark, etc. (I always cleaned the peanut butter out, first).
I did have cherry twigs in that mix, but I didn’t use them with the frequency of most of the others.
Such as pennyroyal, strawberry leaf, nettle, sassafras, blackberry leaves and Mullen flowers seemed to get a lot more attention.
Interesting that summer is the time to collect cherry bark.
Might have to bump that up here directly and hope for the best.........

Also enjoyed your piece on hot baths and hot water therapy.

Been using and encouraging that for years, around here.
Didn’t know such was quite so healing and therapeutic.......
 
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