CRIME Convenience Store Customer Kills Man Victim had reportedly been hitting, harassing him

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Why I think this is significant. They were interviewing people that witnessed this. The man that was killed was harassing customers. He ran one customer outside after yelling and hitting him. Then he went back into the store and started hitting a man that had a concealed carry. How many of us said it's just a matter of time until he picks on the wrong person.



One of the witnesses said "I came up and there was a fist fight going on, the WHITE man pulled a gun out and shot him. If he was a PO'lice officer that would be one thing but he wasn't so that was murder."


The witness didn't see any of the other interactions. From the reports I heard the guy was probably a loon on drugs and acting very erratically and it sounds like it was a justified shoot with the Castile doctrine but we probably need the camera review and a little more investigation of the facts.


I was appalled at how the Broadcast "News" station portrayed it against the White man. This is what we are going to face in present times of escalating violence, even justified shoots are going to be hard to defend against a liberal media that wants to ban weapons.

Convenience Store Customer Kills Man

Victim had reportedly been hitting, harassing his assailant

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Convenience-Store-Customer-Kills-Man-161549915.html


A customer at a Dallas convenience store shot and killed a man Thursday after that man slapped and hit him, police say.
The shooting was reported at the EZ Trip Food Store in the 9700-block of Forest Lane at about 4 a.m.
According to Sani Siddiq, the clerk inside of the store at the time of the incident, the man who was killed had attacked two customers prior to the shooting.
Siddiq told NBC 5 that the man began to hit and slap one customer and chased him out of the store.
When the man returned to the store, he apparently slapped a second customer, according to Sgt. Warren Mitchell, with the Dallas Police Department.
The second customer also retreated from the store while the man continued striking him, police said.
Once in the parking lot, the second customer pulled out a handgun and shot the man, Mitchell told NBC 5.
The victim, whose name has not yet been released, died at the scene.
The customer who pulled the trigger had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, Mitchell said. Police are working to determine the validity of the permit.
Investigators will now decide whether or not to file charges against the man who pulled the trigger, or if they believe he was acting in self-defense.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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One of the witnesses said "I came up and there was a fist fight going on, the WHITE man pulled a gun out and shot him. If he was a PO'lice officer that would be one thing but he wasn't so that was murder."

Perp musta been a GIBSMEDAT....
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
So what the Texas law on self defense? The man in question was armed he had two of them and was actively using them to assault innocent people.


About the someone saying it only a matter of time, it was me as I've been repeatedly saying it for the last year and a half.
 

drafter

Veteran Member
"If he was a PO'lice officer that would be one thing but he wasn't so that was murder."

And that right there shows how numb we've become to our rights to self defense. NO cop will ever go down for murdering you in the middle of the street in broad daylight for any reason. ALWAYS "justified", but if one of us "serfs" tries to save his own skin, it's murder. This country has become a pathetic mess.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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"If he was a PO'lice officer that would be one thing but he wasn't so that was murder."


SHUT UP AND TAKE YOUR BEATING CRACKER! WE BE RUNNIN TINGS NOW!!
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
Most state laws hold that the violence has to be on a level comparable to one another.

Simply slapping and hitting the guy doesn't amount to the level required for justifiable lethal force in retaliation. To use that level of force, you have to be in fear of dying.

There are levels and I don't think he met the requirement the law demands. The shooter's going to be nailed on this one.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
One of the witnesses said "I came up and there was a fist fight going on, the WHITE man pulled a gun out and shot him. If he was a PO'lice officer that would be one thing but he wasn't so that was murder."
Soooooo, cops get a free ride no matter the reason they kill someone, but anyone defending themselves must take what is dished out and like it. This guy has been brainwashed by the media, probably the recent circus surrounding the trayvon debacle.
The victim, whose name has not yet been released, died at the scene.
The victim??? WHAT VICTIM?? Boy, yellow journalism at it's finest.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Most state laws hold that the violence has to be on a level comparable to one another.

Simply slapping and hitting the guy doesn't amount to the level required for justifiable lethal force in retaliation. To use that level of force, you have to be in fear of dying.

There are levels and I don't think he met the requirement the law demands. The shooter's going to be nailed on this one.

In Texas you can shoot if you feel your life is threatened in any way. Particularly at night.
 
Most state laws hold that the violence has to be on a level comparable to one another.

Simply slapping and hitting the guy doesn't amount to the level required for justifiable lethal force in retaliation. To use that level of force, you have to be in fear of dying.

There are levels and I don't think he met the requirement the law demands. The shooter's going to be nailed on this one.


Agree.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Most state laws hold that the violence has to be on a level comparable to one another.

Simply slapping and hitting the guy doesn't amount to the level required for justifiable lethal force in retaliation. To use that level of force, you have to be in fear of dying.

There are levels and I don't think he met the requirement the law demands. The shooter's going to be nailed on this one.


Three or more or like these flash mob's would qualify using a force multiplier/equalizer.
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
In martial arts hands are considered lethal weapons. And there have been plenty of people die when only hands were used against them. This may be true with boxers as well.

Whoever this guy was he was hitting more than one person. And wouldn't stop.

These drug loons are often being called killers.
 

Chair Warmer

Membership Revoked
At first I thought he retaliated with lethal force over just getting hit a few times. Not equal force to justify it.

Then I reread the article:

The second customer also retreated from the store while the man continued striking him, police said.

Once in the parking lot, the second customer pulled out a handgun and shot the man, Mitchell told NBC 5.

And now I'm under the impression that the assailant was really pounding the $h!+ out of the man who defended himself, in a similar type of attack as to what Trayvon Martin did.

I'm thinking the level of violence perpetrated is what might determine if it was justifiable self defense, and perhaps the man did have a reasonable cause to be in fear of his life.

I don't feel there's enough information in the article to really know one way or the other. The article never said the man stopped pounding on the shooter before lethal force was used against him.
 

Thunderbird

Veteran Member
Originally Posted by Milk-maid

Most state laws hold that the violence has to be on a level comparable to one another.

Simply slapping and hitting the guy doesn't amount to the level required for justifiable lethal force in retaliation. To use that level of force, you have to be in fear of dying.

There are levels and I don't think he met the requirement the law demands. The shooter's going to be nailed on this one.
BBL:
Agree.

Nonsense. If a person is attacked, retreats and is attacked again they have every right to defend themselves in any manner. This is the way it should be, an ything else is surrender to the criminal element.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Originally Posted by Milk-maid

If a person is attacked, retreats and is attacked again they have every right to defend themselves in any manner. This is the way it should be, anything else is surrender to the criminal element.

Especially if it appears that customer is off-balance and not making sense and is attacking you, seems like you should be able to try and stop him anyway you can.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
"Simply slapping and hitting the guy doesn't amount to the level required for justifiable lethal force in retaliation. To use that level of force, you have to be in fear of dying."


I know that if it had been me...I'd be found to be justified in shooting him. Because of the type of operation I had on my neck, I cannot take any beating and survive it. And local Judge has agreed with me. He taught the CCL class I took.
 

Conrad Nimikos

Who is Henry Bowman
...No mention of how old the shooter is? I know that at 69 anyone hits me and I will be in fear of my life and will respond.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Most state laws hold that the violence has to be on a level comparable to one another.

Simply slapping and hitting the guy doesn't amount to the level required for justifiable lethal force in retaliation. To use that level of force, you have to be in fear of dying.

There are levels and I don't think he met the requirement the law demands. The shooter's going to be nailed on this one.

You start slapping and hitting me and I will ghost you. Period.

I've had a stroke got probs with my eyes and had a transplant. A punch in the wrong place could blind me, destroy my transplanted organ or possibly cause another stroke-possibly fatal.

You cannot casually look at me an asses these things as they are internal any more than one could asses what those individuals in the store might have suffered if they had similar issues.

So again, punch, slap or hit me and I will ghost you.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I'll just throw a bowl of olives at yer ass. I'll stand there laughing while you scream like a girl....

:lol: :dvl1:
 
In these times, if he was acting crazy, how do you know he won't try to eat your face? I'd have done the same - retreat outside and if persued and attacked again shoot him right tween the eyes. That's the most certain way for zombies.
 

DustMusher

Deceased
This shooting took place under the laws of TEXAS Other stat laws or what anyone thinks does not apply.

Righteous shoot under Texas laws as Dennis said. Retreating and the perp continuing the attack only strengthens the shooter's defense.

Welcome to Texas, a$$hole! You be dead.

DM
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
My statement was a generalization used by most states for justifiable lethal force.

There are always exceptions to any law...people's weakened medical conditions are one.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
This will be deemed a justifiable shoot in Texas.

I tend to agree. The only fly in the ointment is that it did occur in Dallas, where the progressives have undue influence.

The video will determine a lot along with the rational witnesses.

Jeff B.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I tend to agree. The only fly in the ointment is that it did occur in Dallas, where the progressives have undue influence.

The video will determine a lot along with the rational witnesses.

Jeff B.


They seem to have some irrational black witness that seem to think he should get a free pass because he is black.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I fully support the right and responsibility for armed people to kill crazy idiots who go around attacking people. If enough people actually did the responsible thing and put down the crazy monsters in our society that attack people, then we would have a safer society.
 

Secamp32

Veteran Member
This is why I try to carry OC spray. You can show that you tried a lower level of force before progressing to deadly physical force.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
I would say self defense. The gun owner left the store and was trying to get away peacefully, but was still pursued and was still getting assaulted.
 

American Rage

Inactive
from now on every self defense act will be considered murder for the purpose of getting rid of concealed carry and stand your ground
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
If you carry a gun, you simply cannot afford to engage in casual fisticuffs. The likelihood of your assailant discovering your concealed weapon and attempting to remove it from your control are too great.

ANY fight a concealed weapons carrier gets into is automatically a gunfight - because he or she brought a gun to the fight! That is why it is CRITICAL for concealed carry permit holders to avoid, de-escalate, disengage, escape and evade - if possible.

It sounds to me as if the true victim in this case did exactly that, until pursued and re-engaged by the assailant, who was then shot. If the facts proved this to be the case, and I was a member of the jury, my verdict would be NOT GUILTY.
 

Maverick

Membership Revoked
This is exactly what nature would do. If a monkey continues to annoy a lion or hippo, the monkey will most likely be killed. This is natures way of removing defective specimens.
I laugh when people are shocked while nature takes its course.
 
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