GOV/MIL Congressional failures just forced the Marines to raid a museum for aircraft parts

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Congressional failures just forced the Marines to raid a museum for aircraft parts

Leo Shane III, Military Times 7:04 p.m. EDT March 30, 2016
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Marine aviation squadrons are salvaging aircraft parts from museums in order to keep planes flying, according to anecdotes from a key congressional leader.

During a recent trip to several Southern U.S. military bases, Marines told House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, that they've been paying for their units' supplies like pens and paper towels, and were forced to raid decommissioned aircraft for parts.

“I have heard firsthand from service members who have looked me in the eye and told of trying to cannibalize parts from a museum aircraft … getting aircraft that were sent to the boneyard in Arizona back and ready to fly missions, pilots flying well below the minimum number of hours required for minimal proficiency,” Thornberry said.

Lawmakers are livid about the fiscal shortfalls, even if their budget infighting in Congress is partly to blame.

At issue are military readiness accounts stretched thin by more than a decade of war and four years of defense penny pinching. Earlier this month, chiefs from each of the four services told lawmakers that those two stressors have led to belt-tightening headaches for units across the military, in some cases deferring long-term needs in favor of short-term solutions.

Thornberry would not identify which Marine air station had the parts shortage, and Marine Corps officials at the locations he visited would not confirm the stories.

But Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford did not dispute and seemed to confirm the incidents when confronted with the anecdotes at a March 22 hearing.

“What you saw in the Marine Corps I think reflects in some part what you'll see in all the services, perhaps not to the same degree as Marine aviation,” he told the chairman. “But that same dynamic exists in each one of the services.”

The Marine Corps has about 180 F/A-18A-Ds, said Marine Corps spokesman Maj. Clark Carpenter. Typically, 43 F/A-18s from deployable squadrons and nine from training squadrons are in depot for maintenance at any given time. That leaves only about 60 percent of the deployable aircraft in flyable, “fight tonight” status.”

Lt. Gen. Glen Walters, the Corps’ deputy commandant for programs and resources, told lawmakers earlier this month that budget cuts have left the entire service “under-resourced” for spare parts.


MARINE CORPS TIMES
Marine Corps has major problems with its planes and helicopters


The Marine Corps has requested $460 million from Congress in fiscal 2017, some of which would buy spare parts for aircraft, but aviation readiness is not expected to fully recover until at least 2020.

Thornberry said the museum salvage attempt he learned about didn’t work, and the Marines were forced to find another fix to get the aircraft ready for an overseas mission.

“The part they took off the museum aircraft did not fit the aircraft they were trying to keep flying,” he said. “But they’re looking for whatever they can do to keep these things up in the air. It’s just amazing.”

Earlier this month, Marine Commandant Gen. Robert Neller blamed some of the maintenance and repair woes on the continued high tempo of operations.

“The fight in ISIL continues to put stress on equipment, particularly aviation,” he told lawmakers, using an acronym for the Islamic State group. “We're in the process of resetting our equipment and then you're trying to maintain legacy gear, and at the same time modernize every model type series of aircraft.”

Other service officials have echoed similar problems. Dunford and Defense Secretary Ash Carter point to Congress’ defense spending caps, which have limited maintenance and investment accounts in recent years, and begged for relief in upcoming budgets.

But committee members have questioned the Pentagon leaders’ assessments that the White House’s fiscal 2017 budget request is truly enough to fix the deep-seated problems, criticizing their promises that next year’s spending caps will be enough to right the force.


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Non-deployed Marine units ill-prepared to go to war


Thornberry said that several service members have told him they’ve started buying “basic supplies” like pens and cleaning products “because otherwise it would take three to four months to get them if they could get them at all.”

“I’d say my concern level was very high when I hear [anecdotes] like that. You have folks out there doing their job and they can’t get a pen from the federal government procurement system.

“It just makes you think ‘my gosh, can’t we do better than this?’”

Reporter Jeff Schogol contributed to this story.


Leo Shane III covers Congress, Veterans Affairs and the White House for Military Times. He can be reached at lshane@militarytimes.com.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
Yet plenty of cash for the ******s to go on vacation, party at the White House, supply his Muslim terrorist friends, and ship in refugees and give them everything they need.
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
I think that 558 billion or 54% of last years budget is more the enough for war. The Marines have always been short changed by the budget and always will be.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
And the Pentagon has trillions of dollars over the last 20 years that it can't account for. The U.S. still spends far more on the military annually than Russia and China put together. Cut out the waste, outright fraud and abuse of the defense contractors and contract systems [not to mention all the off budget black projects that never see an accounting] and there would be more than enough money to run and fund the equipment and personnel budgets. This malfeasance is a simply ploy to extort yet more money out of the taxpayers by telling them that the military is being stripped. No, I don't doubt that they are stripping parts off of museum aircraft or even people having to pay for their own gear but it's not because Congress hasn't appropriate enough money for it.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I think that 558 billion or 54% of last years budget is more the enough for war. The Marines have always been short changed by the budget and always will be.

It isn't just the Marines.

I have a friend whose husband is in the Air Force---and she has told me of their having to "stagger" flights so that one aircraft can go to one destination, then a PART that is needed is TAKEN OFF that craft and put on ANOTHER craft that needs it so that that second craft can head out to ITS destination---"parts-sharing" between the aircraft just to keep them flying...


It is INFURIATING what they are doing to our military......
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Yet plenty of cash for the ******s to go on vacation, party at the White House, supply his Muslim terrorist friends, and ship in refugees and give them everything they need.

Y'all need a remedial course in line item budgeting, I suspect.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Heard from one young green eyeshade and sleeve garter type (no, he doesn't have a kid named Tiny Tim) greensuiter who has a full time job moving money around from unit to unit just before the bills come due to keep checks from actually bouncing. That way everyone looks as if they have funds when anyone checks, when no one is checking the money goes somewhere someone IS checking.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Yet plenty of cash for the ******s to go on vacation, party at the White House, supply his Muslim terrorist friends, and ship in refugees and give them everything they need.

And now the commiepukes in deecee want to give criminals in certain cities $1000 a month not to murder anyone "by gun". I guess another grand will have to be forked over for not killing with knives, another grand for not killing by stomping, etc.
 

Be Well

may all be well
And the Pentagon has trillions of dollars over the last 20 years that it can't account for. The U.S. still spends far more on the military annually than Russia and China put together. Cut out the waste, outright fraud and abuse of the defense contractors and contract systems [not to mention all the off budget black projects that never see an accounting] and there would be more than enough money to run and fund the equipment and personnel budgets. This malfeasance is a simply ploy to extort yet more money out of the taxpayers by telling them that the military is being stripped. No, I don't doubt that they are stripping parts off of museum aircraft or even people having to pay for their own gear but it's not because Congress hasn't appropriate enough money for it.

Trump has mentioned the bolded part many times.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There are two main issues at play here: The first is the black budget items which mysteriously cause funds to disappear. Some of this is legitimate, but only a world-class idiot would believe that lots of pockets aren't being lined along the way. The other is the real shortcomings of military budgeting.

There is absolutely no excuse for the second phenomenon and it amazes me that Trump or Cruz hasn't raised unholy hell over this issue. It's a real, no-lose, campaign winner and even the most junior political operative could make hay out of it. On a related note, the American public has a deep-seated affection for old weapons systems that are still effective; think the Browning .50 M2 or the Warthog close air support planes. Instant campaign booster! Show Trump or Cruz palling around with the aircrews, show 'em firing an M2 and demanding that our guys get the hardware they need! Blame the Dem's wasteful social spending, blame the "Jenny has two mommies" educational spending, blame Obama's lavish vacation spending, etc., etc., etc.

I hope the GOP jumps on this one quickly.

Best regards
Doc
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
And the Pentagon has trillions of dollars over the last 20 years that it can't account for. The U.S. still spends far more on the military annually than Russia and China put together. Cut out the waste, outright fraud and abuse of the defense contractors and contract systems [not to mention all the off budget black projects that never see an accounting] and there would be more than enough money to run and fund the equipment and personnel budgets. This malfeasance is a simply ploy to extort yet more money out of the taxpayers by telling them that the military is being stripped. No, I don't doubt that they are stripping parts off of museum aircraft or even people having to pay for their own gear but it's not because Congress hasn't appropriate enough money for it.

It's all Rumsfeld's fault...........
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
There are two main issues at play here: The first is the black budget items which mysteriously cause funds to disappear. Some of this is legitimate, but only a world-class idiot would believe that lots of pockets aren't being lined along the way. The other is the real shortcomings of military budgeting.

There is absolutely no excuse for the second phenomenon and it amazes me that Trump or Cruz hasn't raised unholy hell over this issue. It's a real, no-lose, campaign winner and even the most junior political operative could make hay out of it. On a related note, the American public has a deep-seated affection for old weapons systems that are still effective; think the Browning .50 M2 or the Warthog close air support planes. Instant campaign booster! Show Trump or Cruz palling around with the aircrews, show 'em firing an M2 and demanding that our guys get the hardware they need! Blame the Dem's wasteful social spending, blame the "Jenny has two mommies" educational spending, blame Obama's lavish vacation spending, etc., etc., etc.

I hope the GOP jumps on this one quickly.

Best regards
Doc

The fact is that military spending in the US has been unfocussed and out of control for decades under every government.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
I think that 558 billion or 54% of last years budget is more the enough for war. The Marines have always been short changed by the budget and always will be.

In the 2015 budget, military spending totaled $598.49 billion, or 53.71% of discretionary budget spending totaling $1.11 trillion.

However, please be advised that discretionary spending represents only 29.34% of the total budget of $3.789 trillion, of which the remaining 70.66%, or $2.677 trillion, is non-discretionary spending (entitlements, interest on the national debt, etc.)

Military spending for the budget year 2015 represented 15.789% of the entire U. S. budget.

Merely furnishing the actual figures so as to provide the proper context. :)

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
 

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