CORP/BIZ Companies claim there’s a labor shortage. Their solution? Prisoners

Melodi

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Note: this is a USA story but is published in the UK press...
Companies claim there’s a labor shortage. Their solution? Prisoners

Worker advocates say prison labor programs exploit workers with few options as bosses refuse to raise wages to attract employees

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The construction industry hires formerly incarcerated workers, often at low pay and with no benefits.

The construction industry hires formerly incarcerated workers, often at low pay and with no benefits. Photograph: Michael Reynolds/EPA
Michael Sainato
Tue 20 Jul 2021 10.00 BST

Some employers around the US are responding to perceived worker shortages in their industries by pursuing cheap sources of labor, such as people currently or formerly in prison.

During a recent industry conference, a Waste Management Services executive discussed hiring immigrants to fill commercial driver’s license positions, and other executives suggested using prison or work release programs to address perceived labor shortages in the sanitation, waste and recycling industry.


Campaigners say the move would be exploitative and reflects a refusal to simply raise wages to attract employees.

“The talk about immigrant labor, prison labor, it’s all about exploitation, nothing else,” said Chuck Stiles, director of the Teamsters solid waste and recycling division, which represents about 32,000 workers in the private waste industry. “There is no driver shortage. There is a huge wage and benefits shortage that these waste companies refuse to give up anything on the bottom line.”

Stiles said several prison work release programs targeted by the waste industry fail to provide decent wages and benefits in an industry where workers face significant safety risks, poor weather conditions, long hours and scarce time off for holidays.

Employers and industry groups have claimed labor shortages were stifling recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic, with the US Chamber of Commerce and Republican governors blaming unemployment benefits. Some 26 states have canceled federal extended unemployment benefits early, though economists have noted the available jobs recovery data shows there is no economy-wide labor shortage.

That hasn’t stopped employers and business groups from using perceived labor shortages as a pretext to seek out cheap labor sources; are hiring teenagers to fill open jobs, automating some job roles to avoid raising wages, lobbying Congress to double the cap on work immigration visas and expanding the use of prison labor.
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The restaurant industry in Michigan, Texas, Ohio and Delaware recently announced a prison work release program for the food service and hospitality industry.

In April, Russell Stover candy production facilities in Iola and Abilene, Kansas, began using prison labor through the Topeka correctional facility in response to staffing issues disrupting production lines.

About 150 prisoners work at the plant, making $14 an hour with no benefits or paid time off, while other workers start at higher wages with benefits and paid time off. Kansas also deducts 25% of prisoners’ pay for room and board, and another 5% goes toward a victim’s fund. The prisoners also must pay for gas for the nearly two-hour bus ride to and from the plant.


Brandilynn Parks, president of the Kansas Coalition for Sentence and Prison Reform, said these programs can be beneficial for prisoners, but often are a way for employers and the prison system to take advantage of a vulnerable population, while driving down wages and taking jobs from other workers in the community.

She noted many private companies that hire prison workers will not employ them after they are released and will not hire job applicants with criminal records. She added that these programs perpetuate mass incarceration.

“Whenever we have private industries coming into the Kansas department of corrections, they sign a contract guaranteeing a certain number of people will be working there,” said Parks. “That means there has to be a certain number of people incarcerated,
so we’re not working to lower the prison population, but instead building the prison industrial complex as a working machine where people become numbers – and we need a certain amount of numbers to keep them employed to uphold the contracts.”

Parks argued employers refusing to pay living wages is the primary factor driving perceived labor shortages, and that the expansion of prison workforce programs are not good faith efforts to solve the problem.

Hiring people “who are at their lowest in life and then throwing them crumbs is despicable,” Parks said. “The contract guaranteeing this amount of people makes it difficult to release people because they’re making the department of corrections money. So the DOC and private industry wins and they try to make it appear as though the incarcerated win, when really they’re being taken advantage of.”

Even before the pandemic, the construction industry targeted prison labor sources amid what employers have claimed is a severe construction labor shortage that has only worsened under Covid-19. Construction is also one of the industries where significant numbers of formerly incarcerated people find work.

In New York City, construction industry employers recruit recently released prisoners who must seek and maintain employment as a condition of their release from prison.

Thousands of workers in New York City are siphoned from prison into low-paying construction jobs with no benefits, no health insurance and unsafe working conditions. These job sites, known as “body shops”, use subcontractors so that employers can offload risk insurance liability. The practice has been spreading, but the New York city council is considering legislation to regulate these employers.

“Throughout the pandemic, body shop laborers left their homes and took trains and buses to crowded job sites, building the NYC skyline. They did this without health insurance, without an economic safety net and with the constant threat of re-imprisonment if they refused to continue to work,’’ said Chaz Rynkiewicz, vice-president and director of organizing for Construction and General Building Laborers Local 79. “While other workers were called heroes for working during the pandemic, body shop workers are told that their criminal justice history sentences them to a lifetime of hard labor with negligible reward.”
 

NCGirl

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Used to have the local jail prisoners come mow and weedwack the yard. I remember they were really cheap, like $15 for the 3 acre lot. Unfortunately too many pansyassbleedingheartliberaldamnyankeeswhomoved-in complained about how horrible it was taking advantage of the poor prisoners and the stopped doing it.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Quit paying the lazy one's not to work. Cut off their stay at home money and see how fast people line up to work when they can't buy their food, beer, pizza, cable TV.
Yeah but a lot of companies still won't hire or won't find workers under the conditions they offer - especially the places with highly dangerous jobs that "contract out" with low pay, no benefits, no sick leave and the real employer isn't responsible for injuries.

Some of that was even going on in the 1980s when I worked for the Worker's Compensation oversight board.

And it was around 1992 when my accountant housemade quit his high-paying accountancy job for a local winery when he was told one afternoon, "your new duties including making illegal workers look legal on paper, Americans simply cost too much to employe anymore."
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
In April, Russell Stover candy production facilities in Iola and Abilene, Kansas, began using prison labor through the Topeka correctional facility in response to staffing issues disrupting production lines.

About 150 prisoners work at the plant, making $14 an hour with no benefits or paid time off, while other workers start at higher wages with benefits and paid time off. Kansas also deducts 25% of prisoners’ pay for room and board, and another 5% goes toward a victim’s fund. The prisoners also must pay for gas for the nearly two-hour bus ride to and from the plant.


This is how you get unions. Rightfully in my opinion.

The problem is this. The government has decided to participate in the labor market by sending checks out. This will force the companies to eliminate jobs / automate / close / pay higher wages or a combination of the three.

If a company refuses to pay the new prevailing wage, they will eventually go out of business. If that is right or wrong is not my concern. You either adapt to changing parameters or you go under.

What really bothers me is the idea of using prisoners. If they are able to work a normal job with minimal supervision, then why are they in jail? I know the answer, it is money and the money that can be extracted by having more prisoners. Yet, if you start allowing this, what is the incentive to keep people out of jail? It is gone!!!!

In fact, there is an incentive to find people and make them prisoners. Want to expand your company? Call the local Sheriff and tell them how many you need and before you know it, there are a whole bunch of people arrested and jailed.

This is not good.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Used to have the local jail prisoners come mow and weedwack the yard. I remember they were really cheap, like $15 for the 3 acre lot. Unfortunately too many pansyassbleedingheartliberaldamnyankeeswhomoved-in complained about how horrible it was taking advantage of the poor prisoners and the stopped doing it.
Yard work is one thing, replacing factory and construction workers with still prisoners, especially in companies that fire them after they get out of prison for "having a record" is encouraging mass incarceration.

I realize being The Guardian Paper (Left of Lenin is the local joke) that there was a bit of over-bleeding heart in the article but the basic problem is real and getting worse.

These companies don't WANT to pay Americans they want prisoners or illegal aliens (or workers on "special visas" that essentially make them slaves to whoever brings them in and employs them).

Now if these jobs really were a stepping stone towards work release and full employment (based on a former prisoner's work record) that might be something really useful and praiseworthy.

But most of these "employers" don't want them, they just want slaves that cost about the same (in the long run) as using a factory in Bangladesh.
 

20Gauge

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Yard work is one thing, replacing factory and construction workers with still prisoners, especially in companies that fire them after they get out of prison for "having a record" is encouraging mass incarceration.

I realize being The Guardian Paper (Left of Lenin is the local joke) that there was a bit of over-bleeding heart in the article but the basic problem is real and getting worse.

These companies don't WANT to pay Americans they want prisoners or illegal aliens (or workers on "special visas" that essentially make them slaves to whoever brings them in and employs them).

Now if these jobs really were a stepping stone towards work release and full employment (based on a former prisoner's work record) that might be something really useful and praiseworthy.

But most of these "employers" don't want them, they just want slaves that cost about the same (in the long run) as using a factory in Bangladesh.
I agree. One of the more basic things that bothers me is the wages. Yes, I see no issue with higher wages. It can be inflationary, but we have held them down for far far too long. It will be extremely painful to correct this.

Yet, using prisoners / illegals / visas to cut wages is immoral and should not happen. Our failure to correct for this is going to destroy us.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Sorry, they are in prison, they didn't get there by being upstanding citizens. Make them work for free. When they get out maybe they won't want to be prisoners anymore.

I have seen many people who are willing to give felons a chance after they get out. Most go back to their previous habits but some do manage to turn their life around.
 

20Gauge

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Sorry, they are in prison, they didn't get there by being upstanding citizens. Make them work for free. When they get out maybe they won't want to be prisoners anymore.

I have seen many people who are willing to give felons a chance after they get out. Most go back to their previous habits but some do manage to turn their life around.
I understand what you are saying. IF they are not to be trusted, Kill them or keep them there forever. DO NOT use them as labor to help a company grow.

I strongly believe in execution for certain crimes or people who are habitual. We should have several hundred or thousand per day. IT would be a great incentive to obey the basic rules of humanity. Don't rape / Don't kill, etc.

This is reason #4 for me not being KING of the day. Too many would die.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Sorry, they are in prison, they didn't get there by being upstanding citizens. Make them work for free. When they get out maybe they won't want to be prisoners anymore.

I have seen many people who are willing to give felons a chance after they get out. Most go back to their previous habits but some do manage to turn their life around.
Big money in the prison system, and we don't execute people for the really bad stuff, because rope is cheap, and there is no money in that. I don't feel sorry for your average thief, or wife beater. This isn't about that. The country is run by the CCP and global corporatists. This labor practice is incentivizing some nasty developments that will affect all of us, even those who manage to stay out of jail/work camps/quarantine camps.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Our failure to correct for this is going to destroy us.

BWAHAHAHA. That boat left the dock long, long ago. This prisoner thing is just a minor clue as to what they have in mind.


The modus works for Communist China.

Only they bring it a step further and they're known as "slaves."

The democrats are literally drooling at the thought of emulating the chicom model.

It's a subject of wet dreams for them.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Sorry, they are in prison, they didn't get there by being upstanding citizens. Make them work for free. When they get out maybe they won't want to be prisoners anymore.

I have seen many people who are willing to give felons a chance after they get out. Most go back to their previous habits but some do manage to turn their life around.
I disagree. These people were not sentenced to slavery.
They should not be sold into it.
 

greysage

On The Level
Local USPS is hiring. Apparently carriers are getting a lot of OT due to lack of employees. Can felons deliver the mail?
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Local trash company (in pa) has a billboard on rt 95.
If I remember correctly they were advertising 5k sign on bonus for cdl drivers.
 

Redleg

Veteran Member
Back in the early 80's, I worked for the city in the cemetery dept. in the summer months while in school. Was paid minimum wage back then around $2.50/hr no benefits. Did that for about 2 years until city used jail birds to do the work for free. So its nothing new that's for sure.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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It sounds to me as though they have a choice to work and they are paid. This is not slavery. Am I reading it wrong?
The article did not go into detail about their "choice', but frequently they have none.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Ties in with my comment on the Shortages thread.

Cripple industry, then use that as an excuse to nationalise them.

Commie 101.

At that point, everybody will be prisoners...in all reality.

View: https://twitter.com/Corelulos65/status/1417082836918616067?s=19


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From what's been stated.

"You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy."

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The modus works for Communist China.

Only they bring it a step further and they're known as "slaves."
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Ping Jockey

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If you want an idea of what happens when prison labor is used, particularly by democrats, research the “Coal Creek Wars”.

Democrat Tennessee guvnuh allowed democrat mine owners to use prison labor to work the mines at the expense of the local miners income and keeping their families fed.

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subnet

Boot
I disagree. These people were not sentenced to slavery.
They should not be sold into it.
They are not sold into it, its part of a work program, just like they can go to school ect
At 14 an hour even, thats much higher than the .50 an hour my lead porter was paid (not that they do much)and they are learning a skill.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Sorry, they are in prison, they didn't get there by being upstanding citizens.

Harvey Silverglate, a civil libertarian, has noted that with the broad laws on the books, especially those relating to technology, most Americans commit three felonies a day.

 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
The article did not go into detail about their "choice', but frequently they have none.
OK, I've never known anyone personally who has gone to jail except one guy who worked here at my house for awhile. But, if people are in jail they deserve to be punished and good hard labor isn't a bad thing in my opinion and if they are being paid more than minimum wage they are doing a-ok. Jail isn't supposed to be pleasant.

If they start putting people in jail who don't deserve it then that a whole nother thing.

Perhaps I am missing the point ~wooosh~ right over my head. Not the first time...
 

subnet

Boot
The article did not go into detail about their "choice', but frequently they have none.
Usually, they have to pick school or work program, they can't just sit on their asses and do what they please.
You would be amazed at what some inmates get, car shows , concerts, Boars Head brand meats at meals, its not a chain gang
 

Cardinal

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Usually, they have to pick school or work program, they can't just sit on their asses and do what they please.
You would be amazed at what some inmates get, car shows , concerts, Boars Head brand meats at meals, its not a chain gang
And now it depends on what "level" of inmate we are talkin about.
 

20Gauge

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OK, I've never known anyone personally who has gone to jail except one guy who worked here at my house for awhile. But, if people are in jail they deserve to be punished and good hard labor isn't a bad thing in my opinion and if they are being paid more than minimum wage they are doing a-ok. Jail isn't supposed to be pleasant.

If they start putting people in jail who don't deserve it then that a whole nother thing.

Perhaps I am missing the point ~wooosh~ right over my head. Not the first time...
Hard labor? Sure, but not at the expense of private industry. That is the problem. Not the hard labor. They want to replace private workers with prisoners....
 

sssarawolf

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There is nothing wrong with the work release program. It isn't afforded to hard core men and women, no murderers, rapists, etc. etc. Several worked under my husband for the City and they were happy to have something to do. Some even learned a new thing or 2 that helped them when they got out. Lots of them already had talent and knowledge.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Not only that but you do have to question when inmates are paying for bus fare (is this a private bus or public transportation?) and working beside some paid employees, just why are they in jail?

Again I have no problems with some in-house prison labor programs and work-release that leads to EMPLOYMENT afterward but a lot of this is just exploration and a refusal to use paid labor.

There used to be (decades ago) laws that specified the sort of work State prisoners could do (in the house) in certain states, I don't know about Federal Prisons. For example, they could make license plates for California, but they couldn't be hired by the local what-it factory to make what-itzs.

Today, I gather a lot of "phone sales" and "customer service" may be handled by inmates, which again if part of a training program would be one thing - but as a way to save money and frustrate consumers again it is basically union and employment busting.
 

Kathy in FL

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Used to have the local jail prisoners come mow and weedwack the yard. I remember they were really cheap, like $15 for the 3 acre lot. Unfortunately too many pansyassbleedingheartliberaldamnyankeeswhomoved-in complained about how horrible it was taking advantage of the poor prisoners and the stopped doing it.

Prison labor built many of the roads in this country.

I say put those nice illegal aliens to work ... hard labor to pay for their room and board. No pay to them 'cause things are expensive y'all.

Once word gets out there won't be near so damned many coming across for "economic freedom."

And yeah, I get it is a slippery slope. But if we are going to go all slicky slide, lets try and get a little of our own back while we are at it.
 

Weps

Veteran Member
Let's be real here, this isn't about work release programs or giving inmates the trade tools to build a successful life after incarceration, so let's not even conflate those two with this.

This is corporations looking to replace their reduced workforce with cheap prison labor; it's at the intersection of a corporate wet dream and a Marxist wet dream;

The Corporations get cheap labor that is cared for and housed by the State that they don't have to provide benefits for, pay workers comp on, ect.... and the Marxists get their "social contracts, restorative justice, and transformative justice". (Prison abolition movement - Wikipedia)

Please, don't deluded yourself into thinking only "safe prisoners" will be brought in to work; that is simply normalcy bias...New York, Chicago, California, ect... have released violent offenders due to COVID, have instituted "bail reform" that has only worsened the already skyrocketing violent crime rates...do you really think government is going to care if the guy picking up your trash or recycling is a currently incarcerated pedophile, rapist, or murderer?

Who's going to watch over the prisoners? You really think Corrections Officers are going to climb down into the sewers to keep watch on prisoners filling sanitation job roles? They going to have a Corrections Officer ride along on every garbage or recycling truck?

We're in a Brave New World where every institution no longer conducts itself based on the Rule-Of-Law, but on the Rule-Of-Wokeness, where Government and Corporation are quickly becoming one, and where outcomes or apparent failures, even if they result in deaths be damned, the agenda must be fulfilled.

NEVER forget, we are on our own.
 
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biere

Veteran Member
I admit I have not read whole thread.

If no one has pointed out how this allows more inmates to "earn" their way out of prison then consider how prisons have been letting the lowest risk inmates out.

Work lines are done in levels. Some have direct supervision and don't leave prison property then you get some just get checked on every half hour or so and are off state property and the stuff talked about in here is the one used for the lowest risk inmates.

Each time the lowest risk inmates are let loose each "line" somewhat shifts. Now in some cases an inmate has been on prison property working for a year outside the fence and proven himself. And then comes a year or three with more freedom but not a ton.

This game of companies hiring inmates like this is speeding things up so inmates who used to never get outside the fence are now outside the fence some and basically each line has a bit riskier inmate in it in many cases.

I remember about 20 years ago or so kentucky let a bunch of inmates loose, took a few years but eventually they had stats that showed crime increased.

There is a big push to get inmates out of prisons cause of over crowding issues as well as cost issues. It costs way less to have an inmate on probation or parole vs housing em in the prison 24/7.

Getting an inmate out working helps reduce costs cause a lot of that money goes to the prison to pay for housing and food and stuff.

I don't pretend to have the answer but if you can't trust em with a gun then why you let em walk on the same sidewalk the elderly use? They are usually strong enough to mug and/or kill an elderly person if they want to do so bare handed.

Then we get into the game of a gallon of gas and some glass bottles.
 
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