LEGAL College kicks disabled vet, dog off campus

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
College kicks disabled vet, dog off campus
February 26, 2014




Bill Smith, a 100 percent disabled retired Green Beret colonel, survived the Sept. 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon, several deployments to war zones and ailments seen and unseen as a result.

But when two St. Petersburg College police officers approached him on the evening of Feb. 17 while he was sitting at the Hard Drive Cafe with his service dog Lucky and told him to remove the animal from the Clearwater campus, he was “flabbergasted” that they acted “in violation of federal law.”

Smith says he was asked to remove the dog from campus despite offering to show a letter of proof and later asked to provide medical information about his condition before he could return with the dog, which would be a violation of federal law. College officials say Smith failed to previously provide required information about the dog and that they acted in accordance with the law.

“I was incredulous,” says Smith, 63, who was medically retired from the Army in 2011 after 42 years of service, about the incident.

Smith says he offered to show the officers paperwork from Southeastern Guide Dogs proving that the 2-year-old yellow Labrador at his feet, on a leash and wearing a bright blue vest emblazoned with the words “Veteran's Service Dog” was a registered service dog given to a disabled veteran. But the officers, he says, still demanded he leave.

“I offered them the documentation,” says Smith. “They refused. I was flabbergasted, I didn't know what to do, I didn't know how to react,”

After calling the Clearwater Police, Smith says he decided to leave the campus, and skip his 7 p.m. class before they could arrive. Clearwater police confirmed that Smith was gone by the time they arrived to answer his call.

“I walked out like I was in a coma,” he says. “I was powerless. There is a reason why I have a service dog. This is exactly the treatment I don't expect from university I been attending for the last four years trying get back into the work force.”

A surveillance video of the incident provided by SPC shows Smith and Lucky enter the cafe at 6:13 p.m. and sit down. Four minutes later, police came in and started talking to Smith as Lucky remained on the floor. A few minutes later Smith headed for the exit and returned, took some papers out of a bag and appeared to make a phone call. By 6:26 p.m. he left. Neither Smith nor police seemed agitated and during the entire encounter, no one at surrounding tables appeared to pay much attention.

The next morning, Smith says he began calling college officials, to no avail. Frustrated, he says he then went to the campus Americans with Disabilities Act office, with whom he says he already registered as a disabled veteran, to complain in person.

Smith says officials there told him that before Lucky would be allowed back on campus, “I would have to get a letter signed by my doctor with identification of my medical malady requiring the service dog and how the service dog is trained to mitigate the symptoms of that specific malady.”

That information, says Smith, “is extremely sensitive and protected” by federal medical privacy law.

It's also against federal law to ask those with a service dog for such information.

Under the federal ADA law for service dogs that went into affect in March 2011, those with such an animal can only be asked two questions.

Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? And what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?

“Staff cannot ask about the person's disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task,” according to the law.

However, before Lucky would be allowed back on campus, Smith says he had to email the college a copy of his Veterans Affairs disability ratings document, which contained the medical reasons — including the post traumatic stress disorder for which he has the dog — why he was rated 100 percent disabled.

After that, Lucky was allowed back on campus.

Smith was asked to leave with his dog because he had not previously provided the required information that he had been asked for in the past, says SPC spokeswoman Wilma Norton.

“After that, he did provide the documentation and was allowed to return to campus with his service dog,” she says. “It is never our intent for our procedure to hinder our students' efforts and that certainly was not the intent in this case. We regret if it was perceived that way.”

Norton, who would not address the specifics of Smith's allegations citing student privacy concerns, says “we believe the situation has been resolved satisfactorily.”

Smith says he is anything but satisfied, and that he has filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Pinellas County Office of Human Rights.

Southeastern Guide Dogs, a Palmetto organization that provides service dogs to disabled veterans through its Paws For Patriots program, says Smith and Lucky graduated from its training program last year. When hearing complaints like Smith's, Southeastern Guide Dogs' “first assumption is that the organization denying the service simply needs education about the rights and responsibilities of people with legitimate service dogs, and how to better identify a true service dog versus a pet,” says spokeswoman Leslie Rowe. “There are also responsibilities on the part of the dog's handler. The dog must be on leash; it must not pose any safety issues; and it must be quietly well behaved. If the dog is a legitimate, trained service dog and is behaving properly, then business and organizations are required to provide access.”
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Betty_Rose

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College faculty, staff and students have collectively lost their mind. I recently returned from one week vacation in a small midwestern town, and much of my time was spent on the campus of a liberal arts college.

It truly is a bastion of liberal ideologies, with no place reserved for any other kind of "thinking."
 

windsail

"Montani Semper Liberi"
That kind of news angers me beyond decent words..the colonel showed dignity and more restraint than I might have..I hope he makes the college administration bow down and lick his combat boots......This sickness of "liberalism" and disregard for standing law has to end and soon.....I feel a righteous wave building and it's gonna' come ashore with a vengeance.....windsail.....
 

Garryowen

Deceased
“It is never our intent for our procedure to hinder our students' efforts and that certainly was not the intent in this case. We regret if it was perceived that way.”

Interesting way of putting it. "We didn't mean for you to perceive what we did as what we did."

Are those people on the public payroll?
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
To borrow a line from the (thankfully) now defunct show "C.H. A.O.S." (with apologies) "Dear lady you have absolutely NO IDEA what kinds of hell this man can rain down on you without even thinking hard about it."
 

anna43

Veteran Member
The totally liberal bend on virtually every college campus in the USA has me very worried about the future of our country. There is a reason Obama did most of his campaign speeches on one college campus or another throughout the country. What is even more unfortunate is the indoctrination starts in kindergarton or perhaps even in pre-school. Added to the liberal bend is the total lack of proper education regarding our countries history or the Constitution.
 

DustMusher

Deceased
Lawsuit. ADA complaint. Media.

Exactly and there should be provisions to come down on fake service dogs, i.e. pets being passed as service dogs, like God's avenging angels at least if not more equal to the penalties imposed on those who deny legit service dogs.

DM
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Exactly and there should be provisions to come down on fake service dogs, i.e. pets being passed as service dogs, like God's avenging angels at least if not more equal to the penalties imposed on those who deny legit service dogs.

DM

Actually, a lot of states do have regulations regarding fake service dogs. And you can get nailed for even more depending on where you are discovered with the dog. But also realize that some places will allow dogs, it's just that they don't announce the policy. So you may not be seeing a fake service dog, but instead a dog with someone who has asked/learned about a business' policy. A lot of non food places have become very generous with their policies if the animal is well trained and does not cause issues.

And I wouldn't bet on the vet getting any money. But he most likely will be able to force them to rewrite their "policy" and retrain their folks. The law changed a couple of years ago and there are a lot of schools and other places that haven't realized that those changes affected them drastically. But, from experience, there is rarely money involved in winning these cases.
 

buff

Deceased
Why does this surprise anyone...until the common sense crowd steps up and calls BS this crap will continue to happen. And most of us in that crowd are too afraid to rock the boat..
 

naturallysweet

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I'd rather ignore 100 fake service dogs, than kick out one person with a real one. What are these idiots thinking?
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
What the college did was 100% ILLEGAL.

PERIOD.

The man needs to get himself a good lawyer and go to town.

He'll be set for life.

Period.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
The totally liberal bend on virtually every college campus in the USA has me very worried about the future of our country. There is a reason Obama did most of his campaign speeches on one college campus or another throughout the country. What is even more unfortunate is the indoctrination starts in kindergarton or perhaps even in pre-school. Added to the liberal bend is the total lack of proper education regarding our countries history or the Constitution.

The Communist Takeover of America: 45 Declared Goals (Congressional Record, 1963)
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1561529/posts

To please Muslim-rights groups, more and more colleges are hiring Muslim chaplains, only to watch them radicalize students
http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...haplains-al-qaida-hamas-background-checks.htm

Classic pincher movement with our young people caught in the middle...

The college broke the ADA laws and HIPPA ( by asking for medical information ), the Colonel is preparing a lawsuit.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
Welcome to the future of America folks. I'm seeing more and more "service" dogs that clearly aren't service dogs. Service animals, which are now just defined as dogs and miniature horses, have to actually do a specific task. From what I read here, the dog is for PTSD. OK, what exactly does the dog do in this case that is protected? Does the dog keep the guy from grabbing a gun and killing people? Most of these folks claim they need the dog for comfort. Well, that isn't covered under the ADA:

http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

They specifically write: "Some State and local laws also define service animal more broadly than the ADA does. Information about such laws can be obtained from the State attorney general’s office."

We are moving towards a state level system where real service animals are going to have to be documented with official papers issued. It is too easy for people to just go on-line and buy bogus stuff and claim their pet is a service animal.

Actually, a lot of states do have regulations regarding fake service dogs. And you can get nailed for even more depending on where you are discovered with the dog.

The problem is, no one is allowed to ask any questions about the dog, so it would be very hard to obtain any sort of evidence to enforce any such law about faking a service animal. The only thing the property owner or agent could do is ask the owner to leave if the animal isn't remaining quite and calm, or causes other issues. If the cops are called, the person is just going to claim the animal is a service animal because the bulk of these people truly look upon their pet as a human with the same rights as humans. The fakers are just going to make it that much harder on the people who are truly in need in the future.

I'd rather ignore 100 fake service dogs, than kick out one person with a real one. What are these idiots thinking?

How can you tell? Don't worry, because eventually you will see fifty dogs in a McDonalds, most likely in control, until an animal becomes an animal and gets out-of-control. Not really a surprise of what our future will look like given we are heading. Our future:

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This is exactly what the future will hold if the government doesn't establish clear laws on the issue. Most trial attorneys are democrats, so don't expect them to make things anymore clear. Look for Democrats to expand the list to include chickens, monkeys, cats, etc.. They already threw in miniature horses, I'm sure full grown horses and donkeys can't be that far down the road. All designed to generate lawsuits for their ambulance chasing political donation crowd.
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
PTSD dogs have a good and valid use. There are very few companies that train them and most do it in conjuction with the military or vet organizations.

As far as what they do. It depends but typically when they sense an episode they remain between the person and any other folks. They guide them off to a private area or back to their vehicle. They provide a nonthreatening reminder that the person is safe. Some of them are trained to alert the person if they sense an attack coming on so that the person can remove themselves. On the flip side, they are also trained to know what things are triggers (when they are known) so that they can act if they sense an external trigger. For some of the folks the dog can do specific things which enables them to "snap out of it" at least temporarily. There are more things but I'm not as familiar with those since most of them are person specific. Honestly, these PTSD dogs work hard for the vets but at the same time they protect the public by keeping well meaning fools from putting themselves into a dangerous situation.

My son's service dog does many of those same functions. And a few others. It is amazing how much that has helped my son over the years. My son now spends much more time in "reality" than in his own little world. And his sensory issues have settled a great deal, allowing us to be picky about when/where we take his dog into public. Which is a stress reliever for me because you wouldn't believe how many people think that a service dog is a big pet that they should be allowed to pet and play with while he's trying to work.
 

NC Susan

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Exactly and there should be provisions to come down on fake service dogs, i.e. pets being passed as service dogs, like God's avenging angels at least if not more equal to the penalties imposed on those who deny legit service dogs. DM


you are wrong.
according to federal law, any animal deemed a therapy dog by the owner IS a THERAPY animal. You can not discriminate, question, interrogate, demand papers nor hinder a therapy animal, same as you can not hinder a person with a wooden leg, pair of glasses or wearing a hearing aid without violation of federal code and statutes.
Same as renting a home to a person with a therapy dog as you can not charge fines, fees or "pet" deposits for a therapy dog without incurring the wrath of the Feds.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
you are wrong.
according to federal law, any animal deemed a therapy dog by the owner IS a THERAPY animal. You can not discriminate, question, interrogate, demand papers nor hinder a therapy animal, same as you can not hinder a person with a wooden leg, pair of glasses or wearing a hearing aid without violation of federal code and statutes.
Same as renting a home to a person with a therapy dog as you can not charge fines, fees or "pet" deposits for a therapy dog without incurring the wrath of the Feds.

I would LOVE to see a quote of the regs, or at least a cite, as this is NOT my memory of the relevant statutes(which memory COULD be outdated).
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I think the regs get updated pretty regularly Chuck. That being said, speaking strictly for myself, I'm very old school. A service dog to me is a seeing eye dog, or one that assists a paralyzed person with daily tasks. Or even one that alerts for an impending seizure. OTOH, "emotional support" dogs to me are pets. Sorry, but I'm simply too rigid to feel that "touchy-feely" dogs should be classed as service dogs.
 

TerryK

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you are wrong.
according to federal law, any animal deemed a therapy dog by the owner IS a THERAPY animal. You can not discriminate, question, interrogate, demand papers nor hinder a therapy animal, same as you can not hinder a person with a wooden leg, pair of glasses or wearing a hearing aid without violation of federal code and statutes.
Same as renting a home to a person with a therapy dog as you can not charge fines, fees or "pet" deposits for a therapy dog without incurring the wrath of the Feds.

I think the regs get updated pretty regularly Chuck. That being said, speaking strictly for myself, I'm very old school. A service dog to me is a seeing eye dog, or one that assists a paralyzed person with daily tasks. Or even one that alerts for an impending seizure. OTOH, "emotional support" dogs to me are pets. Sorry, but I'm simply too rigid to feel that "touchy-feely" dogs should be classed as service dogs.

I agree with Dennis on this.
If we allow anyone to declare their pet a therapy animal, that is exactly what will happen.
Every pet will be a therapy pet, because in a way, every pet provides emotional comfort to their owner.

Get rid of the touchy feely pet "therapy" animals so you don't destroy the whole pet therapy program for those with real physical disabilities such as blindness, paralysis or seizures.
This will soon be a case of the touchy feely people ruining a valuable program that helps those who are truly disabled.
Oh well, such is the American way. Political correctness carried to the point of absurdity.

If someone has PTSD to the extent that they go off in public and present a real danger to other people, perhaps they shouldn't be out in public instead of hoping an animal "might" prevent them from attacking someone.

I'm still waiting for people to start walking around carrying their goldfish bowl because it's a fact that watching fish in an aquarium will lower your blood pressure. :shk:
 

homepark

Resist
Most of the other Vets I know with PTSD, don't 'go off' in public. They usually have panic attacks and don't go out at all. I know of one who has a service dog. He goes out to the VA for treatment. That is it. Again, I just don't see a problem wrt 'fake' service dogs. Of course, I don't get out very much, so maybe there is something to the story and I just am not out often enough to see it.
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
you are wrong.
according to federal law, any animal deemed a therapy dog by the owner IS a THERAPY animal. You can not discriminate, question, interrogate, demand papers nor hinder a therapy animal, same as you can not hinder a person with a wooden leg, pair of glasses or wearing a hearing aid without violation of federal code and statutes.
Same as renting a home to a person with a therapy dog as you can not charge fines, fees or "pet" deposits for a therapy dog without incurring the wrath of the Feds.

From experience and the knowledge from others who have ended up in court. In theory you are correct. When it hits the court, the court will demand to know 3 specific tasks that the dog is trained to do for its human. And they must be tasks not just normal behavior. Or perhaps better worded, if it's a normal behavior it should be performed on command as necessary for the human.

An example would be that my son's dog is trained to stick his head & upper body in my son's lap to distract him from self harming behaviors. He actually now does this automatically for the behaviors that he knows. But he can also be commanded to do it when a new behavior pops up.
 

big_sarge

Membership Revoked
NC Susan,

We live in a society. A society that needs rules. If you want to see what happens when people run amok with fake therapy dogs come to visit Portland...it is horrible here. People take dogs everywhere....even the street kids who have dogs that are obviously not vaccinated or having shots...

So in all actuality...you are wrong. We need rules to prevent chaos. That's what society is all about.
 

Flashyzipp

Veteran Member
NC Susan,

We live in a society. A society that needs rules. If you want to see what happens when people run amok with fake therapy dogs come to visit Portland...it is horrible here. People take dogs everywhere....even the street kids who have dogs that are obviously not vaccinated or having shots...

So in all actuality...you are wrong. We need rules to prevent chaos. That's what society is all about.

Yes we do. I am attemding a local university and see no problem with what I am being taught. I just got done studying Karl Marx and the Professor was very good about stating some people believe this yada yada yada. They have all been great about letting us share any opinions we have.
 

DustMusher

Deceased
When my husband was alive, our pet crossed the line from just pet to service dog - she trained herself to alert him (a brittle diabetic) when his blood sugar dropped (something often missed by the diabetic) and also to find me, or someone else to alert them if he was unconscious. How would you get her to do that on command? Yes we did reinforce the action and yes, she did understand when she was working, when he would put her vest on her and take her to work the days he did not feel good.

Most of the time she was just a pet and did not need the vest to alert while we were at home, and no, we did not take her if I was with him, but she would lay under his desk all day, except for potty breaks, and not do anything but monitor him when working. The City of San Antonio and the Police Dept where he worked as a civilian, OKed her presence. Was questioned only once by a Deputy Chief and within the limits, DH did go beyond what was required and told him what she did and how, but after that the DC gave instructions if anyone questioned her presence, to call HIM.

There were six times she found me and alerted me when he was in a diabetic coma saving his life. Sooo yes, I am kind of touchy on the subject of fake service dogs.

DM
 

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NC Susan

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Yes we do. I am attending a local university and see no problem with what I am being taught. I just got done studying Karl Marx and the Professor was very good about stating some people believe this yada yada yada. They have all been great about letting us share any opinions we have.

We have new laws for our new society. Dont think you can fight the Feds on discriminating against Service Animals unless you want to loose your business or your property.
Portland and its Progressive liars and cheats may be what we all become as a godless government controlling every aspect in our society instead of how most of us Baby Boomers were raised as old time Judeah Christian Conservative God Fearing and Church attending, but as for me, if one person needs that animal under the table in a restaurant or a movie theater, or to lead thru a grocery store, it is not going to bother me at all.
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
I agree about the "fake" service dogs. It's not a good idea at all.

Yesterday I was coming out of a drug store and a man who appeared to be blind was coming in with his service dog - a standard poodle. The dog must have been new as he delivered a crotch shot to me as he went by. LOL. The man's wife was telling the dog that he didn't need to be worried about some dogs across the street. Dog will probably lead him out into the street at some future date. I know poodles are supposed to be smart, but that's not what I would choose to lead me around. Please Lord if I need a service dog, make sure it's a GS.
 

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federal and state laws that they be allowed. They do not have to wear any specific
identifying gear, including vests. Many Service Dog users choose to dress their
dogs in a vest or other identifying apparel in order to make access easier, as it
avoids many questions and confrontations. This is a personal choice, and is NOT
REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW. It is illegal to ask for any special identification
from Service Dog partners. Some carry ID cards, and may present them voluntarily,
but this also is not required, and should not be expected. You may NOT ask for
"proof" or certification of the dog's training as a condition of entry into your
business.

If a Service Dog misbehaves and places someone in danger, you as a business
owner have the right to ask the partner to get control of the animal, or please leave.
This should be only an isolated incident, and can not be used to determine future
access based upon what "might" happen or has happened in the past. A person
with a Service Dog cannot be refused entry based on the actions of another Service
animal. Example: You cannot say "Oh, that last Service Dog team that was in here
left a mess, so I'm not letting any Service Dogs into my store anymore." This is
discrimination and can be punishable by law. Remember, too, that Service Dogs are
just that, DOGS, and they can have bad days just like people can. They are not
robots, and cannot be expected to act perfectly all the time.

American With Disabilities Act website
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/adahom1.htm

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vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Lawsuit. ADA complaint. Media.

As an aside since my coffee hasn't kicked in yet, a little story...

Yep, and knowing the law about it being illegal to even question a disabled person about their service animal, being against the law according to the DOJ and ADA, allowed my husband's business friend's Ho-bag wife who feels she is above the law, to bring her little designer purse pup on flights on Alaska Airlines direct flights to and from Seattle to Lihue', Kauai when Alaska Airlines strictly forbade animals in the cabin.

They knew that when they would go up to the ticket counter that they would not be challenged and are expert at 'gaming the system'. She even has a tiny service vest for her dog to make it appear legit.

You flight attendants on that route and reading this know exactly who I'm talking about. V
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
We have new laws for our new society. Dont think you can fight the Feds on discriminating against Service Animals unless you want to loose your business or your property.

Another reason why it just isn't worth having your own business anymore. Sounds like Portland will be the test case for how far we let this go. You can't kick the homeless guys dog with fleas out, and that causes the one service dog and ten pet dogs being passed off as service dogs to get fleas. With our sue happy society, I'm sure the owner will be sued for that. Of course we will eventually have the lawsuit of people who are allergic and demanding non-service animal/fake service pet areas.

Portland and its Progressive liars and cheats may be what we all become as a godless government controlling every aspect in our society .....

Plenty would say that the government mandating private property owners allow animals onto their property is "government controlling every aspect in our society."

Why anyone wants to deal with opening something like a food service business, etc. is beyond me. Too many rules and regulations. People around here complain of the national chains constantly opening new stores and such. They are likely the only ones who can afford to deal with all the lawsuits, health department regs, etc..
 
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