FOOD Coffee beans from the Stone Age

cyberiot

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
If you are a high-end coffee fanatic, read no further--blood will shoot out of your eyes.

At my house, caffeine is a food group. Nothing happens until I have had my morning quart of joe. I am a mid-range fanatic--I measure my (tap) water, weigh my (Costco) beans, use a conical burr grinder, and have four different ways to brew--automatic drip, French press, stovetop percolator and pour-over. Five, if you count instant. All that said, I'd drink motor oil in a pinch if it had enough caffeine.

So. I find, buried in the preps, a 2.5-lb. bag of Starbucks French Roast from 2009. The bag seal was intact and the beans, although not especially fragrant, had not gone rancid. What to do? The high-end fanatic would say nuke it from outer space if it came out of the roaster more than five minutes ago. My mileage apparently varies.

Brewed a pot of 100% Stone Age in the drip coffee maker using the Golden Ratio--60 grams of coffee to 1 liter of water. A little bitter, but nothing that a sprinkle of kosher salt couldn't fix. Then tried a 50-50 blend of Stone Age and fresh San Francisco Bay French Roast in the French press. Bitter again, so salt again. Still drinkable.

Just wanted to share data with my fellow addicts . . . er . . . coffee enthusiasts.

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ShadowMan

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Once roasted coffee beans will lose A LOT of their significant volatile flavor oils within days....to a week at the most. Hence the "Bitterness" that is left. It's drinkable, but has lost a lot of it's "tasty" flavors.

Now if the beans are green (UNroasted) there are some that actually age like a fine wine over time. They have to be kept in a cool, dark, dry place, but will roast up just fine even after years of storage and for some time will actually improve the flavors. Not all beans, but a good many varieties will stand the test of time. YMMV
 
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Yogizorch

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've got a conical burr grinder too, a Capresso I think. It works well and I just grind the beans on 6 for a pot. I usually use Sam's Columbian Supremo in the red bag which is fine for me. I decided to try some Tim Horton's and Copper Moon from Sam's and they were really good. The Tim Horton's especially was mighty tasty. I only wish I could have some Tim Horton's doughnuts to go with it.
 
Jeff B.

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
Not sure about “high end”, but I like Community Coffee. Their Breakfast Blend (Blue Label) is usually my first two cups, followed by their Cafe Special (Yellow Label) and on occasion I’ll have some of their coffee with chickory.

I’m “down” to about four cups (OK, mugs) a day, as I’m trying to pay heed to the Urologist who said that caffeine (coffee and black tea) were causative agents for the formation of the crystals that begin kidney stones. My one experience was enough to get my attention.

Jeff B.
 
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Yogizorch

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yogizorch said:
I've got a conical burr grinder too, a Capresso I think. It works well and I just grind the beans on 6 for a pot. I usually use Sam's Columbian Supremo in the red bag which is fine for me. I decided to try some Tim Horton's and Copper Moon from Sam's and they were really good. The Tim Horton's especially was mighty tasty. I only wish I could have some Tim Horton's doughnuts to go with it.
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Sam's has the Tim Horton's for something like $11.88 for 2 lbs. Quite a bargain I'd say.
 
bbbuddy

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
Alaskan_Leatherhead said:
To nuts with all that liberal Starbucks coffee, enter black rifle coffee cause It’s MERICA. :sh2:
I’d recommend beyond black, the baddest, darkerst, blackest roast they have.

Black Rifle Coffee Company | Veteran Founded

Black Rifle Coffee Company is a SOF veteran-owned coffee company, serving premium coffee and culture to people who love America.
www.blackriflecoffee.com www.blackriflecoffee.com
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Nope. They went woke. Nope.
 
Mtsilverback

Mtsilverback

Veteran Member
Have not tried them yet, but, if it puts the coffee into the food storage pantry, well, just have to give em a try.

Emergency Survival Coffee

Emergency Survival Coffee ~ In an emergency, only those who've prepared can enjoy the real perks of preparedness with coffee.Your survival chances are higher with coffee because it can help you stay alert, feel more full, improve water quality and more.
www.happypreppers.com
 
bbbuddy

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
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Alaskan_Leatherhead

Alaskan_Leatherhead

Contributing Member
bbbuddy said:
Nope. They went woke. Nope.
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Theres a lot of hear say, gossip, false clams going around about black rifle coffee regarding Kyle Rittenhouse. BRC didn’t end their relationship with the blaze. They don’t want to profit because of what happened by coming out either way. Elijah Schaffer works for the blaze not BRC, and had no right to speak for the coffee Company.

here’s a link to what black rifle coffee has to say about it. I wouldn’t trust what random two bit online gossip pages and liberal newspapers say about it as far as I can through them. There trying to divide us. And as far as I’m concerned their still a good company and a lot more conservative than gun hating gay starbucks
I think it’s a pretty petty reason to abandon a good coffee company, but hey what ever floats your boat is no skin off my nose. But remember what was said about world war II.

“Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.”
 
bbbuddy

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
Alaskan_Leatherhead said:
Theres a lot of hear say, gossip, false clams going around about black rifle coffee regarding Kyle Rittenhouse. BRC didn’t end their relationship with the blaze. They don’t want to profit because of what happened by coming out either way. Elijah Schaffer works for the blaze not BRC, and had no right to speak for the coffee Company.

here’s a link to what black rifle coffee has to say about it. I wouldn’t trust what random two bit online gossip pages and liberal newspapers say about it as far as I can through them. There trying to divide us. And as far as I’m concerned their still a good company and a lot more conservative than gun hating gay starbucks
I think it’s a pretty petty reason to abandon a good coffee company, but hey what ever floats your boat is no skin off my nose. But remember what was said about world war II.

“Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.”
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Yeah yeah, I didn't mention that the founder and CEO of BRCC donated to the Obananation, and for that effen traitor John McCain.
What TRUE 2nd Amendment supporter would do that?? Nuff said. Going easy, giving a pass, that's how we got here. Stop.
 
artichoke

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
ShadowMan said:
Once roasted coffee beans will lose A LOT of their significant volatile flavor oils within days....to a week at the most. Hence the "Bitterness" that is left. It's drinkable, but has lost a lot of it's "tasty" flavors.

Now if the beans are green (UNroasted) there are some that actually age like a fine wine over time. They have to be kept in a cool, dark, dry place, but will roast up just fine even after years of storage and for some time will actually improve the flavors. Not all beans, but a good many varieties will stand the test of time. YMMV
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I tried roasting for a little while. Gave that up quick. But what I remember from it is that "fresh roasted" isn't good for coffee beans, like it is for roast beef, or fresh baked bread. It's sort of nasty.

About a week to age and degas, and it's good then. You can drink what you want, maybe you want those gases. I didn't, and that seemed to be the consensus.

Ground coffee goes rancid and nasty very fast. Whole beans keep at least moderately well, for years my experience at least in the freezer which is where I keep opened coffee beans. They may go a bit flat but they don't get nasty.
 
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savurselvs

Veteran Member
Yogizorch said:
I've got a conical burr grinder too, a Capresso I think. It works well and I just grind the beans on 6 for a pot. I usually use Sam's Columbian Supremo in the red bag which is fine for me. I decided to try some Tim Horton's and Copper Moon from Sam's and they were really good. The Tim Horton's especially was mighty tasty. I only wish I could have some Tim Horton's doughnuts to go with it.
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Tim Hortons was really good til I bought some coffee from Braums. I actually was up north in17 and honestly the donuts were disappointing.
 
db cooper

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Years ago when we lived off-grid on weekends I'd put water and grounds in a pot, set it on the wood stove all day long, occasionally taking a cup to drink. By the end of the day the coffee had the viscosity of 30w motor oil. But man! What a caffeine high!

Someone mentioned the bitter taste, it's what I go for. The bitterness, coffee flavor and the caffeine.
 
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Mercury3

Veteran Member
db cooper said:
Years ago when we lived off-grid on weekends I'd put water and grounds in a pot, set it on the wood stove all day long, occasionally taking a cup to drink. By the end of the day the coffee had the viscosity of 30w motor oil. But man! What a caffeine high!

Someone mentioned the bitter taste, it's what I go for. The bitterness, coffee flavor and the caffeine.
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I like it a little bitter too. I even eat the 100 percent dark chocolate.
 
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Mercury3

Veteran Member
I agree with most of what the op has to say. Caffeine for me is an essential nutrient. I have to say no to Starbucks though. Unless you get the "blonde" roast or a breakfast blend most of the others are burnt. Over roasted which also burns off much of the caffeine content. That's one reason breakfast blends have more caffeine because they are roasted lighter. Some people think if it tastes bold it has more caffeine but it's really the opposite.

Some roasters add a little bit of robusta to their arabica to boost caffeine content and that works if done right. Robusta doesn't taste as good as Arabica but contains approx. three times more caffeine.
 
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Mercury3

Veteran Member
artichoke said:
I tried roasting for a little while. Gave that up quick. But what I remember from it is that "fresh roasted" isn't good for coffee beans, like it is for roast beef, or fresh baked bread. It's sort of nasty.
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I been roasting coffee for dang near 30 years and it is a bit of an art to get it right. I'd have to say you were doing something wrong. Freshness really is key to good coffee. Every single coffee roaster I know would disagree with your statement above.
 
artichoke

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
Mercury3 said:
I been roasting coffee for dang near 30 years and it is a bit of an art to get it right. I'd have to say you were doing something wrong. Freshness really is key to good coffee. Every single coffee roaster I know would disagree with your statement above.
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Well you're certainly correct, I was doing it wrong. I was using an old Orville Redenbacher air popcorn popper and I did not have a thermometer. Before I worked out which compromises I would make to set up a better rig, I found a source of good and inexpensive roasted beans.

I can only say that the consensus on a couple internet forums was that beans should have a few days after roasting to de-gas. But maybe those people sucked almost as bad as I did!

Speaking of dark chocolate, there was a time when some local store, maybe it was Fairway Market where I also got the coffee for a while, had about 80% Criollo for $10 a pound. That ended after a while. Less wonderful varieties of chocolate are a little tough for me to eat at such high percents.
 
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Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When I go to the local Friar Tucks, the manager knows the drill.

Most of what I carry out has dust on the bottle caps and is labeled some version of “European Import”.

You have to shake well before drinking, though the label makes no such claim…..
 
All-in

All-in

Contributing Member
ShadowMan said:
Once roasted coffee beans will lose A LOT of their significant volatile flavor oils within days....to a week at the most. Hence the "Bitterness" that is left. It's drinkable, but has lost a lot of it's "tasty" flavors.

Now if the beans are green (UNroasted) there are some that actually age like a fine wine over time. They have to be kept in a cool, dark, dry place, but will roast up just fine even after years of storage and for some time will actually improve the flavors. Not all beans, but a good many varieties will stand the test of time. YMMV
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I need my coffee too and learned to roast my own as part of my prep plan. Figured I'd enjoy having my joe during an apocalypse and could barter with it. As Shadowman said green beans store longer also much cheaper and taste amazing. I typically just use pre-roasted for my EDC (every day cup), but will roast a batch every so often if I want something special.


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subnet

subnet

Boot
Alaskan_Leatherhead said:
Theres a lot of hear say, gossip, false clams going around about black rifle coffee regarding Kyle Rittenhouse. BRC didn’t end their relationship with the blaze. They don’t want to profit because of what happened by coming out either way. Elijah Schaffer works for the blaze not BRC, and had no right to speak for the coffee Company.

here’s a link to what black rifle coffee has to say about it. I wouldn’t trust what random two bit online gossip pages and liberal newspapers say about it as far as I can through them. There trying to divide us. And as far as I’m concerned their still a good company and a lot more conservative than gun hating gay starbucks
I think it’s a pretty petty reason to abandon a good coffee company, but hey what ever floats your boat is no skin off my nose. But remember what was said about world war II.

“Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.”
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There is far more to the story than just the Rittenhouse issue, which was bad enough imo.
 
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