USA Civil War Is Coming. Can We Stop It in Time?

[Teeja]

Have very many here read the fictional novel "Unintended Consequences" authored by John Ross?

Long read, and a bit graphic with some foul language, but worth every page. For CW2, we'll need to act in similar fashion as Henry Bowman.

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Worth every penny.

 

[ainitfunny]

The Democrats want “peace and comprimise“ (read SUBMISSION ) to their evil plans and Marxist rule .They hope to install COMMUNISM across America, and the world, DESTROYING Capitalism. Rigging an election is childs play compared to actually getting 350 MILLION armed AMERICANS, MOST of whom REALLY voted for the candidate you illegally screwed, to just rollover and accept your COMMUNIST PLAN to destroy capitalism, rights, and freedoms here.
We have nothing in common, no basis for compromise with you.
YOU ARE THE ENEMY.
2 Corinthians 6

 

[Mary Contrary]

I stand corrected...oh, wait....

Hey. It's ok. I'm bad with numbers too. I got D's in math in school, but A's in English and writing. I'm very bad at numbers.

 

[Trouble]

At this point the question should be, should we stop it? Much cleaning is needed in this nation...

 

[Hawkgirl_70]

At this point the question should be, should we stop it? Much cleaning is needed in this nation...

If our country has to crash and burn maybe the Kommie’s will take out the spineless, ball-less RINO’s. Maybe on national media too for all to see.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

WE don't want it.

The Demoncrats do.

Not exactly. IMO, the Dim leadership and the most woke of their supporters want the RESULTS that would follow winning a decisive, crushing victory from a no-holds-barred fought-to-the-end actual civil war here. They unquestionably do NOT want a multiyear open struggle where people and property they care about get nastily killed and burned down to cracked foundations in vast numbers and amounts. Who here thinks "the Squad" of four (AOC, Omar, etc.) wants or expects a "victory" where two of them are killed, one is blind and in a wheelchair, and all four have all their immediate family DEAD (because the latter could be reached by vengeful patriot elements when the Squad itself could not?)

 

[Mr. Peabody]

I wonder if the conservative justices on the SC are thinking about this. They are the pinnacle of the "jury" box.
They could be thinking that if the system, the deep state, wins this fraudulent battle, then the tolerance of originalist/Constitutionalist sitting the bench will come to an abrupt end. No impeachment but expeditiously removed. The commies can not allow their type of dissension against their ideology to exist. I wonder if these SC justices are currently looking at their life expectancy under a Harris presidency. These justices will not make it to the days of using the cartridge box.
It's just not Trump and his close circle of anti-deep state loyalist that should fear the great purge.

 

[Hfcomms]

I wonder if the conservative justices on the SC are thinking about this. They are the pinnacle of the "jury" box.
They could be thinking that if the system, the deep state, wins this fraudulent battle, then the tolerance of originalist/Constitutionalist sitting the bench will come to an abrupt end.

That is it. It is a fight to the death and the members of the Supreme Court have to realize this. If Biden gets in and they stack the court with additional members [and you know they will] and with Biden being installed they know that rule of law is now gone in this country, the conservative justices are not going to be safe vis a vis their positions as USSC justices.

It's a catch-22 because if they do the right thing there is going to be widespread violence and rioting and a real possibility of CWII and they will be implored just to go along and not to 'disenfranchise' all the Biden voters. But if they don't take a stand it's going to be a lot worse as we are going to slide into a communist form of government.

Short term it would be easier for them just to let this slide and have Joe and Kommie get in but long term they have not only signed the death warrant for the constitutional republic but they have signed their own death warrants as well.....literally.

 

[Faroe]

Agree about the lack of organization on the Right, but, does it matter? I expect we'll see things breaking down at the local level...everywhere, with violence. Call that whatever you want. Citizens with something to protect will start considering how they can do so silently and Law Enforcement will start considering what they had better not try to enforce.

I don't imagine that will "win" anything. With the whole country disorganized and not working, China will have an opportunity to sweep in. Messy metaphor, but the reason why anarchy doesn't work is, nature abhors a vacuum. Probably the plan behind kung flu all along.

 

[cheyenneplateau]

"Can we stop it in time?"
Can we stop the socialist mentality in this country?
Can we stop the Deep State's Lust for power?
I believe that unless we keep pretending that we are going to be treated fairly by the other side, like we did with this election, then we are doomed to their slavery and control. We have to STOP playing by conservative rules. Its getting us NO WHERE FAST.

 

[SurvivalRing]

Yep and the Enemies trilogy by Matt Bracken.

Jeff B.

Love Matt’s books. Trilogy is great. For me, need to get unintended consequences...

 

[wvstuck]

Dang son! What kind of people do you hang around with?

You either need some self confidence, backbone, or a new set of ‘friends!’

Sadly though he is right, talk is cheap, but very few will follow through with any action. The people can't give up Facebook, Cable News and Sports and somehow you still believe they are going to live under bridges and run through the woods fighting a civil war. Sadly it's just a dream, there are some that will fight, some that will risk it all, but the majority will get in truck.

 

[Capt. Eddie]

Who is Henry Bowman?

 

[Rebel_Yell]

Who is Henry Bowman?

He is the protagonist in the novel.

 

[Capt. Eddie]

He is the protagonist in the novel.

I know, it's a mixed metaphor.

 

[2ndAmendican]

Back to what Dennis repeatedly tells us "They Want Us Dead!". We need to ensure that when the dust settles, there are no more animals that want us dead. If that's up to me to handle my street, or my neighborhood, so be it. Whether there is a good command structure or not, some individuals/small groups will take care of business in their immediate AO, the way they should. If all Patriots do the same, the numbers will eventually be in our favor.

 

[INVAR]

If all Patriots do the same, the numbers will eventually be in our favor.

How do you figure that? The hostile South-Of-The-Border aliens among us including tens of millions of Muslim/African "refugees" placed here strategically during Obama's reign, have been outbreeding us 13 to 1 - for almost 20 years if not better.

Math is not on our side. Especially when you add in all our own youth under 30 who have been trained to be good Socialists in public school and higher education.

 

[Squib]

Look gentlemen, I get the gravity of the situation, I really do.

But whining and giving up...how can you men even countenance such a thing?! It should be unthinkable to you...all of you.

Will it be difficult? Beyond what we can imagine.

Will most of us die? Sure, we all die. Either in a depends adult diaper in a state run old folks home, or fighting evil.

Is this generation soft? Sure, so’s mine and your’s, compared to previous ones.

But you either fight and die and by Gods mercy, this evil is vanquished...

Or bend over and eventually die anyway...but in unspeakable shame.

I can only hope and pray and do what I can...but, I can not surrender without a fight...

The life, freedom, country, and families God gave us are too priceless to just lay down and do nothing!

Again, I’ve not seen what many of you have, but I have seen evil and death face to face many times...it must be stopped.

Ive also seen what one, or a few motivated, trained, and resolute men can do when they have to...it can be glorious!

Go ahead and laugh behind your keyboards, but I know many of you have seen it...and much more...you know what I’m saying is true!

 

[vestige]

Look gentlemen, I get the gravity of the situation, I really do.

But whining and giving up...how can you men even countenance such a thing?! It should be unthinkable to you...all of you.

Will it be difficult? Beyond what we can imagine.

Will most of us die? Sure, we all die. Either in a depends adult diaper in a state run old folks home, or fighting evil.

Is this generation soft? Sure, so’s mine and your’s, compared to previous ones.

But you either fight and die and by Gods mercy, this evil is vanquished...

Or bend over and eventually die anyway...but in unspeakable shame.

I can only hope and pray and do what I can...but, I can not surrender without a fight...

The life, freedom, country, and families God gave us are too priceless to just lay down and do nothing!

Again, I’ve not seen what many of you have, but I have seen evil and death face to face many times...it must be stopped.

Ive also seen what one, or a few motivated, trained, and resolute men can do when they have to...it can be glorious!

Go ahead and laugh behind your keyboards, but I know many of you have seen it...and much more...you know what I’m saying is true!

Nice post.

 

[Dozdoats]

When all is said and done, there is a lot more said than done.

We are coming up on do or die time.

 

[night driver]

When all is said and done, there is a lot more said than done.

We are coming up on do or die time.

Literally.

 

[INVAR]

But whining and giving up...how can you men even countenance such a thing?

Giving up on our corrupted institutions and leaders to 'save us' is the only course that WILL save us from what is being planned for us.

TINVOWOOT

We have to have 'other plans' - because our enemies are telling us what theirs are, and they do not include you in their utopia. "Other plans" means we recognize, realize and acknowledge that there is no stopping what the lawless are going to do to us via civil means. There is no reasoning with them. No persuading them. No negotiating with them.

Only defeating them. We must not comply with ANYTHING they demand. No "laws" they pass. No 'Requirements" they mandate. We must not comply. An illegitimate tyranny only deserves to be seen and treated like one. Compliance gives them authority. We must deny them this - on every level.

Understanding the battlespace is vital to know. It will not serve endurance or survival to ignore the facts of what has been done to us and exactly where we find ourselves demographically, culturally and politically.

If we don't, shock and bewilderment is going to kill the vast majority via indecisiveness and inaction.

We are at the point of do or die time. There is not going to be some mythical "go signal". It is going to arrive differently for each individual at this point.

 

[Altura Ct.]

including tens of millions of Muslim/African "refugees" placed here strategically during Obama's reign, have been outbreeding us 13 to 1 - for almost 20 years if not better.

Math is not on our side. Especially when you add in all our own youth under 30 who have been trained to be good Socialists in public school and higher education.

Whites are now less than 50% under 30 and its accelerating. Add to that most whites have been successfully deracinated and you have a nation right for takeover. They have convinced many whites there is nothing worth protecting.

 

[Squib]

Giving up on our corrupted institutions and leaders to 'save us' is the only course that WILL save us from what is being planned for us...

We are at the point of do or die time. There is not going to be some mythical "go signal". It is going to arrive differently for each individual at this point.

Oh, I never said have faith in our leaders & corrupt institutions!

But I did say don’t give up the fight and lay down or bend over and wait for it...

Also, the civil means being passed time and the do not comply is spot on.

And your last sentence is correct as well.

Once a person comes to grips with, and accepts that, you're good to go.

 

[somewherepress]

How do you figure that? The hostile South-Of-The-Border aliens among us including tens of millions of Muslim/African "refugees" placed here strategically during Obama's reign, have been outbreeding us 13 to 1 - for almost 20 years if not better.

Math is not on our side. Especially when you add in all our own youth under 30 who have been trained to be good Socialists in public school and higher education.

You claim to be a realist and portray yourself as a warrior, sword at hand. But, Invar, virtually everything you say is fatalistic and defeatist. You've already given up, surrendered, and apparently want to convince everyone else to do the same. Attitudes like yours destroy the spirit of everyone around you and wars have never been won by people like you. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be in the same foxhole with you listening to your pathetic bleating and pessimistic, morale breaking whining about the battle being over, us being outnumbered, etc, ad nauseum. The reality is that Trump is still President and there are more battles remaining to be fought.

 

[INVAR]

You claim to be a realist and portray yourself as a warrior, sword at hand. But, Invar, virtually everything you say is fatalistic and defeatist. You've already given up, surrendered, and apparently want to convince everyone else to do the same. Attitudes like yours destroy the spirit of everyone around you and wars have never been won by people like you. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be in the same foxhole with you listening to your pathetic bleating and pessimistic, morale breaking whining about the battle being over, us being outnumbered, etc, ad nauseum. The reality is that Trump is still President and there are more battles remaining to be fought.

You aren't going to fight for jack shit.

Your mindset based on the post will continue to wait for other people and other 'institutions' in authority to save your ass, putting all your hope and faith in things dead and corrupted.

Good luck with that.

Whites are now less than 50% under 30 and its accelerating. Add to that most whites have been successfully deracinated and you have a nation right for takeover. They have convinced many whites there is nothing worth protecting.

And you have too many closing their eyes to this reality while denouncing anyone noting it as 'defeatist'.

Numbers do not lie - and neither do the facts that so many choose to close their eyes to because their culdesac or street is middle class white bread or a rural road with a single mailbox out front.

They do not want to hear the truth. They want to hear smooth and easy things.

 

[2dollarbill]

Cival War is coming, can we stop it? WHY?
I would think like the other side does. If you don't like something, burn it down. Maybe start with Harvard or Yale or Columbia. Isn't that what they do, burn it down. CNN/ABC/CBC/NBC, burn it down.

What about what loudmouth Maxine says, shout them out, don't give them a moments peace. How about showing up at their house a 3:00 AM with bullhorns and drums.

You get the idea, mess their lives up like they did to us for 4 years.

2db

 

[somewherepress]

You aren't going to fight for jack shit.

Your mindset based on the post will continue to wait for other people and other 'institutions' in authority to save your ass, putting all your hope and faith in things dead and corrupted.

Good luck with that.




And you have too many closing their eyes to this reality while denouncing anyone noting it as 'defeatist'.

Numbers do not lie - and neither do the facts that so many choose to close their eyes to.

They do not want to hear the truth. They want to hear smooth and easy things.

You are delusional or an ego maniac if you believe you have a monopoly on knowing the truth or what is real. My eyes are wide open and I don't see things in the cynical and negative way you do at all. So far as I can see, you've just given in to your fear and lack of faith.

I attended a Stop the Steal Rally in my city this weekend with many hundreds of other patriots openly offering our proud support and cheering on encouragement for our president. People from all over the state attended. I also have attended a number of other such gatherings in the past and am involved in other efforts to prevent the communists from stealing the election.

And what are you doing--other than blovating on an internet forum and actively discouraging others from fighting this travesty of justice before civil war becomes inevitable? Nobody in their right mind wants to see this country torn apart and the bloodshed that would result from a civil war. And it is the duty of all genuine patriots to do everything possible to prevent that from happening. But you seem to recklessly want to unleash the dogs of war before exhausting other options..

 

[Warm Wisconsin]

Let me sum up your post.

You attended a modernist version of “write your senators“

That makes your faith in the old institutions grandest

Even though those same institutions have let you down your entire life and brought nothing but incrementalism

However - Your post clearly shows you have faith in the old system..you claim your way will bring civil war eventuall? or just give up

Let me tell you- your position has been saying “keep the faith and be patient“ for longer than most have been alive

Yeah - Invar must be the “crazy” one. LOL

I bet you attended Tea Parties too, and preached to everyone how they were going to balance the budget

You are delusional or an ego maniac if you believe you have a monopoly on knowing the truth or what is real. My eyes are wide open and I don't see things in the cynical and negative way you do at all. So far as I can see, you've just given in to your fear and lack of faith.

I attended a Stop the Steal Rally in my city this weekend with many hundreds of other patriots openly offering our proud support and cheering on encouragement for our president. People from all over the state attended. I also have attended a number of other such gatherings in the past and am involved in other efforts to prevent the communists from stealing the election.

And what are you doing--other than blovating on an internet forum and actively discouraging others from fighting this travesty of justice before civil war becomes inevitable? Nobody in their right mind wants to see this country torn apart and the bloodshed that would result from a civil war. And it is the duty of all genuine patriots to do everything possible to prevent that from happening. But you seem to recklessly want to unleash the dogs of war before exhausting other options..

 

[INVAR]

My eyes are wide open and I don't see things in the cynical and negative way you do at all.

Then they are not open at all or you are not paying attention to what your enemies are saying and doing or the condition of the ground and environs you are standing on.

So far as I can see, you've just given in to your fear and lack of faith.

I have admitted this ad nauseum: I have ZERO faith - NONE, ZILCH, NADA or trust in corrupted peoples and institutions. This includes Trump. And that distrust is not out of any kind of fear whatsoever. It is out of contempt that I have for them based on observation.

I attended a Stop the Steal Rally in my city this weekend with many hundreds of other patriots openly offering our proud support and cheering on encouragement for our president.

You wasted your time except to make yourself feel better.

People from all over the state attended. I also have attended a number of other such gatherings in the past and am involved in other efforts to prevent the communists from stealing the election.

Candlelight vigils and marches with feel-good speeches are not going to do jack shit to stop what the Communists are already doing.

You remember this?

Did that even slow what their despotic leaders did anyway outside of the outright ban of semi-automatic rifles???

How about this?

Did that slow or stop the hijack of an entire election precisely the way Hillary and the Democrats were telling us for months was going to happen - exactly as they said it would????

No. None of those things did jack shit to dissuade what the Communist Oligarchs and Seditionists did and are doing and will do yet. Because they KNOW what they have achieved already. They are NOT afraid of us any more. Feel-good folks like yourself are in denial.

And what are you doing--other than blovating on an internet forum and actively discouraging others from fighting this travesty of justice before civil war becomes inevitable?

You are not fighting a damned thing except playing cheerleader to the choir. And if hard assed truth is going to hurt sensitive feelings and discourage people of what is about to come down on their heads - then they are as good as dead already and they are not going to survive what is coming.

Nobody in their right mind wants to see this country torn apart

It's already torn apart if you hand't noticed, right down to the marrow. Maybe your neighborhood isn't a burned out shell with a boarded up downtown yet. But those dot the landscape from one shining coast to the other as we type tonight - and the foot soldiers are gleefully telling us that you are next on their menu.

and the bloodshed that would result from a civil war.

Bloodshed and ruin is already happening in a low intensity Color Revolution waged all year long and about to get kicked into high gear. There is no preventing where this is getting taken unless you want to raise your fist and chant with the mobs - praying they save their arbitrary bloodlust for you for last.

And it is the duty of all genuine patriots to do everything possible to prevent that from happening.

No. Wrong. It was the duty of patriots to stand up for liberty when the cost was minimal. But since we listened to similar feel-good sentiments over the years like you are spouting now, refusing to see and call the enemy what they are because we put all our trust in corrupted men and institutions - the cost is going to be more than we can bear. Preventing war is not the job of the patriot. Safeguarding liberty is the job of the patriot. Jefferson noted a certain tree that needed watering, and you are telling us that we should do everything possible to avert that watering because it's too horrible to contemplate - even though your enemies are killing it outright in front of your face.

You seem to recklessly want to unleash the dogs of war.

War is upon us already. The dogs are out running free by the support and feeding of our very own government using your tax dollars to do it. They are telling us what they are going to do to you next.

But out of fear of the cost and the risk - you are going to let that war continue to be waged one sided - because you are afraid of what it is now going cost us if we dare allow ourselves to acknowledge where this has already gone. This is why you are busy waiting for some politician or court to save us. You do not want to let your minds to go there.

Well, your enemy's mind has already been there for quite some time - and now they have taken power. The outcome is not hard to figure out.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

You are delusional or an ego maniac if you believe you have a monopoly on knowing the truth or what is real. My eyes are wide open and I don't see things in the cynical and negative way you do at all. So far as I can see, you've just given in to your fear and lack of faith.

I attended a Stop the Steal Rally in my city this weekend with many hundreds of other patriots openly offering our proud support and cheering on encouragement for our president. People from all over the state attended. I also have attended a number of other such gatherings in the past and am involved in other efforts to prevent the communists from stealing the election.

And what are you doing--other than blovating on an internet forum and actively discouraging others from fighting this travesty of justice before civil war becomes inevitable? Nobody in their right mind wants to see this country torn apart and the bloodshed that would result from a civil war. And it is the duty of all genuine patriots to do everything possible to prevent that from happening. But you seem to recklessly want to unleash the dogs of war before exhausting other options..

Although Invar and myself have had our differences in the past....I have come to appreciate the TRUTHS that he has espoused here at timebomb2000. Tread lightly my friend.....we need to come together... not
tear each other apart.

 

[Mr. Peabody]

It is the duty for all US citizens to take part in some manner in the fight against any tyrant and terrorist inside this border. It is currently a choice on how to do this by using any form of political persuasion or if necessary, resorting to the 2A as a citizen rightfully should do.
Anyone that chooses not to be on the side of liberty should be considered the enemy of the state, just as they consider patriots as being the enemy of their ideology. They have left no middle ground. They have moved as far left as they can. The RHINOs have followed right along with them. The citizens were abandoned somewhere way over to the right. The first part of dealing with this new world is to accept there is an enemy that wants you DEAD. These two sides are not going to get along and co-exist. Period. It's just like France with the NAZIs. You either is one, or you aint. We did not choose to fundamentally change, they did. They splintered off from what this country stands for to become kommies. They chose to be part of the force that wants to destroy every fabric of who we are. We are left with only two choices, one being becoming a kommie, the other choice means doing what needs to be done, when it needs to be done. At this time in the fraudulent illegal election of all history, the more the patriots do to ensure the truth wins out peacefully, the less chance there will be of thousands of useful idiots meeting their maker by the hands of a cornered enemy that has absolutely nothing left to lose.

 

[DryCreek]

I just hope Trumps Team of Lawyers can save the day, If they riot at lest it will because of the truth.

I really don't see Trump's lawyers starting a riot.

But, you never know - it is 2020 after all.

 

[DryCreek]

How do you figure that? The hostile South-Of-The-Border aliens among us including tens of millions of Muslim/African "refugees" placed here strategically during Obama's reign, have been outbreeding us 13 to 1 - for almost 20 years if not better.

Do not discount the Mexican and South American's here - both legally and illegally. I talk to many, and they like Trump. Much more so that Biden. For one, there is the inexplicable ideal of "Machismo", and Trump exudes that. How many other politicians have you seen openly mock other politicians? How about the way he stares down the press and calls them out for their obvious bias? Telemundo actually does a decent job covering him. Also, they have done well. As America prospers, so do they and their families that are back at home. Sure, you think they hate him because he is going to cut off unfettered immigration. But, what you don't realize is that the ones here now see that as a way to keep their wages at least at or slightly above the minimum wage. As more are allowed to cross, their numbers are diluted and the large corporations take advantage of them. They aren't stupid.

 

[INVAR]

Do not discount the Mexican and South American's here - both legally and illegally.

Did Reconquinista and LaRaza suddenly decide to fold up tents and call it quits for Trump?

Did the Mexican Ambassador not recently call for more mass migration into the USA?

Whether Mexicans like Trump or not is actually irrelevant. Are they going to give up their Mexican citizenship and assimilate into becoming Americans and adopting our culture - or continuing to impose their own?

 

[DryCreek]

Did Reconquinista and LaRaza suddenly decide to fold up tents and call it quits for Trump?

Did the Mexican Ambassador not recently call for more mass migration into the USA?

Whether Mexicans like Trump or not is actually irrelevant. Are they going to give up their Mexican citizenship and assimilate into becoming Americans and adopting our culture - or continuing to impose their own?

Look, all I'm sayin' is that the brown-skinned people near me are not impressed with the election forkery they've seen. They know that if it plays out as it is currently heading, they're screwed.
LaRaza and the other leftist mouthpiece groups only represent a very small number of the hard working Latino's around my AO here in Central Texas. All they want is to work and feed their families here and "at home". Many of them own homes and property - they will not give that up without a fight. There are several I'd have on my "team", without reservations. They are strong, smart - and scary with a knife. I think they'd be really good at interrogation.

 

[Doomer Doug]

Invar just doesn't get it. It isn't about winning, it is about fighting. We ride to war, but not victory in the worse case. and so what? If the choice is to die a miserable death, or disease, starvation, malnutrition, beatings or whatever, or to give "them" a shotgun suppository. then I know what choice I make. And Invar it may be the American Republic, this glorious, mind altering, experiment, and lighthouse on the shore is kaput, and the people, or most of them, are UNWORTHY OF THEIR INHERITANCE. And you know what, I am good with that. If that is how it plays out, and you KNUCKLEHEADS WE WILL KNOW IN TWO MONTHS so chill out, out, out!!!!! If it ain't I will follow Trump and see how things play out, and if it is, I will do that which I have already determined to do in that situation. Until then, I will drink eggnog, listen to Christmas music and combat prep and wait the destiny God set for me. I will not die one nano second before God wants me to.

Sheesh, If I have to storm the commie bastions all by lonesome, I'm good with that and if not, I'm good with that too.

 

[ssbn642blue]

INVAR,

You have no idea about those who don't post on this board think, nor do you know what we've done, or will do in the future. Trust in others even though you may not trust yourself.

 

[INVAR]

Invar just doesn't get it. It isn't about winning, it is about fighting. We ride to war, but not victory in the worse case.

What makes you think I do not get that exact point Doug?

I simply warn that expecting to ride to any kind of victory via the corrupted institutions and peoples this nation has perverted - is a faith wholly misplaced and one that is going to end in crippling bewilderment.

Hell, if you read the Founders - you will come to recognize that their warnings about a people with a vitiated state of morals and lukewarm religion cannot and will not maintain or protect their liberty - and instead will trade it for the empty promises of devious men. Or, put another way paraphrasing William Penn: "A people who are not governed by God will be ruled by the tyranny of men".

 

[INVAR]

INVAR,

You have no idea about those who don't post on this board think, nor do you know what we've done, or will do in the future. Trust in others even though you may not trust yourself.

I will never trust other men in the state this nation is in, for they have given me no reason to trust them.

We surrendered and lost our own culture by leaving it's management to others to maintain and uphold. Why should any of us expect that we are going to do anything different for the Republic itself? A Republic cannot exist when the culture required to maintain a Constitutional Republic is no longer there. John Adams made that point clear - when he wrote about a moral and religious people being the ONLY people that the Constitution could apply.

As to what this people do in the future - the fruits of this present culture and generation do not speak to a future that any of us will call good.

We can all puff out our chests and make vicarious claims of bravado and soldiery - but our culture and this present miasma of corruption and coup we are simmering in BECAUSE of this culture we have lost, condemns us.