PREP Civil Defense Manual: Store Food NOW!

Sicario

The Executor
Store Food NOW!
How To Kill An Opponent With Rice, Beans Or Meat


You place the rice, beans or meat… canned meat preferably… in a heavy nylon cotton blend knit sock dropping it down to the closed end. Then take the open end of the sock and tie a knot in it to keep it from slipping out of your hand. Gripping it in your hand by the knot, let the weighted end dangle, and with a swinging motion aim for your opponent’s head and…

No folks… not that kind of weapon. Food… or the lack thereof. Food is a weapon that can destroy people, movements, groups, nations… and those with enough power to control food and use it as a weapon… don’t have to lift a finger, fire one bullet or even engage their enemy.
All they have to do is sit back and wait for your emaciated and starved carcass to start rotting. Then what will come true is what Charles Heston said at an NRA Convention… “You can have my rifle… but you’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands!” That’s what those who use food as a weapon will do… wait until you’re dead and cold. And as an added bonus… they have that fine firearm you were going to defend your lifestyle with.

The vast majority of Preparedness and Survival people I’ve talked to think firearms and ammunition are the overwhelming primary issue of Preparedness. They have tons of ammunition… and firearms safes almost bursting with firearms. Firearms are important, but I put it percentage wise at about 10 percent of the total Preparedness and Survival equation that I lay out in the Civil Defense Manual. You won’t survive without food and water no matter how many firearms… and how much ammunition you have. Let’s concentrate here on food…

“Roger… I Read You Four By Four…”

I know a crackerjack of a radio guy in my area who could communicate with earth orbiting space stations. He’s a great communications man. I could probably pay for a good portion of my house with what he’s invested in radio equipment.

When my Friend Dan D. asked him what he had for firearms, how much ammunition, how much water and food stored… he said very little food or water… but he has a box of 50 rounds of 9mm for his pistol. No holster. No spare magazines. No rifle. No shotgun. But he said… “I have all the communication equipment a group would ever need!” …and he turned his coke bottle lens eyeglasses back to the attention of his radio equipment.

The hunger ‘disease’ of the Poles, starved by the ‘other Collectivists,’ the Nazi pukes, during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

He’ll most likely spend his time on the radio comparing his weight loss and hunger pangs with others starving like him. For as long as he has the energy to talk on the radio, he’ll be sharing stories of starvation and misery, when the proverbial Shite Hits The Fan scenario happens.
The use for firearms moves up the ladder… especially if A Collapse of Society occurs. But the point is… without water and food… you’re screwed. Too many I know have plenty of ordinance, but little food to sustain themselves. Unbalanced. Deadly. Worse than your worse adversary. This type of person has killed themselves before the problems even start.

Like a story my helicopter flight instructor told me about a guy who took off to fly over the Rocky Mountains in an overloaded helicopter for holiday. He crashed and burned, unable to maneuver because of the much higher elevation thin air and his hyper-burdened helicopter. My instructor went on to make his point… “They didn’t die in the mountains… they were dead when they left the airport!”

His point was… the guy didn’t do what’s called ‘weight and balance’ calculations before he started his journey nor did he calculate the change in his flight envelope and how his machine would maneuver poorly in it. So, he really didn’t prepare for his flight… and he killed himself and his family. Horrible way to go into the afterlife with that guilt.

Like the starvation of the Polish People involved in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1942 by the Nazis. The Nazis simply surrounded this area and waited. This starvation led to the Nazis crushing the valiant fighters. While Germans ate abundantly, the Poles across the border died by the thousands from starvation. Like the baby in the horrendous photo above which I hope shocks you into getting off your duff and buying food. Why? Because food is a weapon!

Assist The Globalists In Killing You And Your Family…

Many Preparedness and Survival people are dead before a Catastrophic Event occurs… just like the helicopter pilot in the above story because they rely too heavily on weapons and ammunition.

If you think the term ‘Globalist’ is coming from under my ‘tin foil hat,’ quit reading this. But they’re out there in one form or another, and don’t for one second, think that they can’t control food production in this country. You can defeat them with a CDM Neighborhood Protection PlanTM (NPP) and the information in the Civil Defense Manual.

Alongside the rifle, shotgun, pistol and other direct force and security survival items in the in the Preparedness arsenal… food ranks about on an equal, along with water. Food and Water are two of the most important of the Critical Life Supplies and Services outlined in the book the “Civil Defense Manual.”

Food is a passive-indirect weapon that has been used throughout history to defeat large and superior conventional and guerilla armies by denying food to them… used to kill off entire populations rebellious to a controlling government by denial of it… used to control populations and force surrender through the cordon and ‘siege’ of fortified and segregated areas of those who don’t have it. I’m not talking just Medieval times… recently, many times over the last decades. Think SELCO. Look him up if you’re new to Preparedness. SHTF School – Real Life Survival Experiences
I’ve seen this in Africa… where the tribe in power, in this case the Communist Frelimo in Mozambique, surrounded rival tribal areas and starved their tribal enemies in to the hereafter. Genocide along tribal lines because of their millennia of hatreds. Why? Because food is a weapon!

The Holodomor

Preceded by the starvation of the Polish inhabitants during the Warsaw Uprising, and that few people are aware of, was the Soviet Union’s cordon off and blockade of the rich, sought-after Ukraine farming area called the Holodomor of 1932-1933. Translated from the Ukrainian Language, Holodomor literally means “Murder by Starvation.”

During this period, the entire area was surrounded and occupied by Soviet troops and police, who in addition to keeping any Ukrainians from leaving the area… forcibly confiscated all food… going door to door ransacking homes to ensure they got it all.

Ripping up gardens in the process and shipping all livestock and feed to other areas of the Soviet Union, controlled by that disgustingly evil subhuman ‘thing’ Joseph Stalin, in his Communist ‘Utopia.’

Within months, millions died. The Soviets purposely left the rebellious Ukrainians with nothing because they wouldn’t submit to Communism. The dead were left laying where they departed this world. In houses, on city streets and fields… where they dropped over dead from starvation and began the rotting process. Other inhabitants were too weak to bury them. Somewhere between 4,000,000 and 12,500,000 people starved to death.

I’m betting on the latter figure of 12,500,000 dead from starvation… because of Leftist denial that this even happened was purposely cov
27 Horrifying Photos Of Holodomor, The Ukrainian Famine That Killed Millions

The dead lay where they depart this world. Dead from starvation… the living are too weak to bury them.

ered up by the New York Times and other Leftist controlled news media. The Leftists actually gave a scumbag named Walter Duranty the Pulitzer Prize for his role in keeping this from the world’s attention. Failing that, because the truth eventually got out, they began interference with listing the number of dead. That is still going on to this day… as it has been for almost 90 years. Why? Because food is a weapon!

A ‘Good Communist’
will argue these deaths weren’t that bad because these were ‘Kulaks,’ or landowners, who were wanted nothing to do with Communism, so what’s eight and a half million people plus or minus anyway to their way of thinking? Got to get to that Communist Utopia one way or another. Communist equals Liar. Communism is the equal sharing of misery by all… except for the leaders.

The point is: Ukrainians were disarmed first and their inability to defend themselves or to stop what was happening led to their being starved to death. Americans are armed… but most have no food stored. The globalists won’t need the army and police… Americans are preparing themselves for this starvation disaster… as if they’re eagerly participating in the Globalist’s plans.

From Zero To 14 Days… Starvation

The Americans standing in line of the above photo are hungry and unable to buy food. Not because there wasn’t any… but because they had no money to buy it with. Food is being provided to them… thus the quite orderly line… not a riot and fighting between them.
The 1930s. Different now.

Use our free food and water calculator to calculate out what you have in your home for food now… then however much you have… go out and buy more. Get food… while the gettin’s good! You can survive on rice and beans, which provides both needed calories and protein. $300 will provide enough for one year for a family of four. Read the section the Chapter “Food, cooking and storage” in the Civil Defense Manual.
Money is not the problem of the past. That’s not the issue. But I would bet despite that, most Americans still don’t have enough food in their household to feed themselves for more than 14 days after grocery stores are empty and food is not available anywhere. Realistically, that’s probably 4 to 7 days more food than most have. Grocery and ‘big box’ stores are full of food. God awful CHEAP. It sits there.

Americans are not disarmed… to the contrary. Hunters alone in America together surpass the largest armies in the world combined. We have the means to defend ourselves against marauding soldiers who want to take our food. But you have to have something to take.
How long could you sustain you and your family on what you have in your house. Oh yeah, I forgot… ‘the grocery store is just down the street.”

I’ll answer that question… the stored food that the average American family has in their homes would leave them starving in two weeks. That’s counting the refrigerated and frozen foods, that after some Catastrophic Events would spoil before it could be consumed or cooked, if the means to cook it was available.

Think no natural or propane gas, no electricity… so, no microwave or stove or oven… and the gas grill tank that you should have filled last week, and should have gotten a couple of spares full, but didn’t have time to… running empty. Just like that gas grill propane tank. You thought about buying and stocking water and Emergency Foods… ‘but didn’t have time.’

Our Complex Food Supply System

In addition to taking clean, drinkable potable water for granted, America’s Normal Civility has become increasingly fragile because of one item on the ‘most necessary list’ of Critical Life Supplies and Services… food. Americans and most Industrialized Nations today have moved almost entirely away from the ‘Garden to Table’ existence of past generations… more than ever before in history.

America and the Industrialized World now rely on a food system that is extremely complex and fragile. A ‘Garden to Table’ existence is how families used to live, like the next diagram shows. Families and local farmers grew much of what was consumed and it was locally processed. In the past, food was widely produced by many people on a low-level technical and localized basis.

Food was fresh and immediately available. The food went literally from ‘the garden to their table’ making most people Self-Dependent regarding food. In addition, food stocks were ‘canned’ and stored to live on as a result of bad growing seasons, difficult financial times and for the off-growing seasons. During hard times one winter, our family of eleven ate all our meals from these reserves. My Mother had enough stored food to feed a small army.

America and the Industrialized World’s present food supply system is, for the most part, a result of the past and continuing ‘Age of Abundance’ and our comfortable lifestyle. One benefit of this is that it has allowed us the luxury to eat cuisine from all over the world. This extravagance occurs right at our dinner table, wherever people live in America and most of the world… after only a simple trip to the store.
Unfortunately, as a side effect, food is less fresh, is adulterated with chemicals and has far from the nutritional content it used to have. Experiment by buying some ‘farmer’s market home grown organic tomatoes’…and then compare the taste of these home-grown tomatoes to those from the store.


The Pictorial Diagram Comparison of the Industrialized World’s Past and Present Food Supply Systems

Midwesterners ate copious amounts of pork, chicken and beef… rarely seafood… but seafood was the abundant principal food type for coastal people, and they ate less pork, chicken and beef.

Regardless of this luxury… the growing and processing of almost ALL food items is now dependent, not only on transportation and proper storage… but each item is dependent upon processing, packaging, chemicals, and preservatives. These items are usually produced hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles away from the processing facilities. Without the ability to transport these processing items… the food production line comes to a standstill.

If you live next door to a chicken farmer, hog farmer, or cattle feeder… the chicken, pork or beef from these producers that you put on your table will most likely have made a meandering trip of thousands of miles to get back to your dinner table after weeks of processing, storage, and transportation.

This, even though the farmer you live next to could have thrown it over the fence to you.

It is necessary that food in this system be processed with chemicals and treated with preservatives because of this time-intensive delay through remote and centralized processing, storage, and transportation systems. Ahhh! America and the Industrialized world!

Each item you put on your table endures weeks of transportation. To processing facilities, through processing, transportation to storage and distribution warehouses… then is distributed by truck to your grocery store. An average 1400-mile trip to get to your table.

A note here… most Third World Countries still provide food for themselves as we did in our past and will not greatly be affected by most Catastrophic Events.


This movement away from the ‘Garden to Table’ existence is compounded further by our reliance on electricity and an electronic digital infrastructure that virtually controls every facet of our food production line, yet is susceptible to interruption and in some cases even protracted disruption or destruction.

Even though people eat foods now that in the past would have been a great delicacy and food is readily available… few people now stockpile food reserves as in the past. People live a ‘hand to mouth’ existence now because the grocery store is… ‘just down the street.’
This electrical and electronic digital infrastructure system is the caretaker of virtually everything we use or consume today… but most critically our food supply. The growing, processing, storage and distribution of it. It is also the caretaker of another critical element of food production… the water supply. Read the Chapter “Emanuelson on preparing for an EMP attack or a Solar Storm” in the Civil Defense Manual and you will see the fragile state of our existence and how we could go back to ‘the Stone Age’ by these Catastrophic Events.

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Sicario

The Executor
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The 1973 Toilet Paper Panic Buying
Through numerous people I communicate with in the know…
the food production and distribution systems are already strained. This comes from months ago panic buying and the pandemic affecting everything from raw food production, on through to transportation and getting it onto the shelves of stores. Covid-19. Simple working people shortages and new and time consuming Covid-19 restrictions and rules manufacturers have to work by.

Behind the stocked shelves of the stores… the American supply system is creaking. You can’t hear it… you can’t see it… you can’t smell it… you can’t taste it… you can’t feel it… but it is strained. Partly from panic buying 4 and 5 months ago… and partly from Covid-19 procedures and ‘sick people’ that have hindered production of normal supplies.

For an understanding of an anomaly that occurs with the supply chain for food and everything else you buy, I give this example. The 1973 toilet paper panic buying. For the necessity to use toilet paper… food has to go in the other end first. But forget about that. This is about that as an example of the stress that can occur to the American supply system.

The 1973 toilet paper shortage all started as a joke on the Johnny Carson Show. There was no shortage, but that joke set in motion a chain of events that became real. At the beginning of the Coronavirus… the same thing happened again… all because of a report that there was no toilet paper in Hawaii.

But the point is… an issue of a shortage in anything produced is that it takes months for production to provide sufficient supply. No matter how hard they work, how many shifts they run, how committed they are to production increase.

In 1973, this shortage of one non-life-critical item, taken for granted, took months to catch up production and delivery to the point normal supplies were again available. Demand just overwhelms production and transportation capability.

Shortages take months to catch up. In the case of food, by the time production catches up with demand, if there is a production effort … many will be dead.
What’s Around You… And Alternatives…

Learn what edibles are around you in the wild.
For one, a person can just about survive off the Hickory tree… aka Pecan tree. The roots of this tree also have abundant amounts of salt when processed correctly. To identify the Hickory, go to www.Wikihow.com and search ‘13 steps in identifying the Hickory Tree.’

Nomad View 1G M-sized Cook Camping Stove SKU 910207
Desert John’s Choice… the Winnerwell Stove
Do this now-now and locate Hickory and Pecan trees close to your CDM Neighborhood Protection Plan™ for salt, food and a source of wood for tool handles, weapons… and fire, if necessary. NPP Group Members should process the salt from a Hickory tree’s roots before a Catastrophic Event occurs so it’s not a last-minute learning experience.

Get To Know Your Area Farmers And Gardeners!
Learn to fish. Learn to hunt. Buy a book and learn to gather wild edibles where you live… but more than anything… I was surprised with what is in the desert that I could survive on.

Look at some of the old methods for food sources, processing and storage… websites like TimberCreekFarmer.com and especially Claude Davis’s book “The Lost Ways” at The Lost Ways Survival Book - Claude Davis Special 40% Off!

Find other ways of cooking… imagining your wonder custom-built kitchen has no electricity and is being used as additional bedroom space for the family members seeking refuge with you. For cooking stoves, go to… www.winnerwell.com or for Solar to… 6 Best Solar Ovens | 2020 Rankings & Reviews (All Season, Sunflair)

Buy a few stainless steel and cast iron cooking pots. Something that won’t melt over an open fire.
Buy ‘the all you need to survive on’ Native American food source… pemmican at Pemmican Bars & Pails for Sale | US Wellness Meats or learn to make it in the CivilDefenseManual.com

all season solar cooker camper

The All Season Solar Cooker Camper

I am a believer in fuel availability, after a Prolonged Crisis, being extremely plentiful. Read the Chapter “Alternative power” for my reasoning. What fuel or source do you use for your NPP cooking when it is a Grid Down Situation?

The perfect answer is the ‘H45 U.S. Army Tent Stove,’ at least for a few years until you establish fully sustainable prolonged use cooking and heating sources.


The venerable M45 Tent heater and cook stove (Courtesy of SportsmansGuide.com)

American soldiers loved this little wonder… and no wonder why. Consider soldiering in subzero temperatures where the shelter you’re in is almost like being outside. It keeps no heat in but only the wind out. Then along came the M45 stove. Ahhhh!
This stove burns about every kind of fossil petroleum fuel made and listed by the Draft International Standard (DIS)…
…diesel (DF) DF#1, DF#2, DF#4, DMB Marine Diesel Oil and DMA, DMZ grades of Marine Gas Oil, #1 furnace fuel oil, gasoline as well as paraffin based JP4, JP5 and JP8 jet fuels.

No electricity is required, and it will crank out 45,000 BTUs for heating and cooking. You can buy these on the internet new and used from $100 to about $400 excluding shipping, which can be expensive.

But in the long run, these stoves are worth every penny spent on them. See the Chapter “Alternative power” for more information on cooking fuel sources. Get one at www.SportsmansGuide.com

Go to PeggyLayton.net… she’s forgotten more than most people know about food growing, preparation and storage.

…Freaking Buy Food NOW… It’s Cheap.
Buy Food NOW, NOW, NOW, NOW!


Report: Leafy greens with listeria sold at Costco, Whole Foods - AOL Lifestyle

Costco… bags of beans and rice… cheap

I’m putting my tin foil hat back on. I believe that the same people provoking unrest and intent on twisting the election results by fraud of mail-in votes, intend to create a man-made famine Catastrophic Event at some point whether they win or not. My logic… Citizens are armed to the teeth in America… and they’re failing in their attempt to disarm us. America is the last obstacle to these people gaining control over everyone on this planet.


Rice… you should have this much stored in your Emergency Foods

They will do something. Start another war, create an EMP event, or maybe just simple starvation of their opposition. This is exactly the path taken in the Ukraine. Americans can be defeated by Globalist forces that control food if they’re unprepared. If you think that is ‘tin foil hat’ paranoia… you can think long term about my ‘tin foil hat’ statement while you’re starving… and I’m eating.

I am not LDS or Mormon, but I stumbled on to them in Utah… and their “Bishop’s Storehouse.” Impressive to say the least. The LDS store just about everything in number #10 cans, which last for 30 years when it’s not knocked around and kept at normal room temperature but above freezing. Rice, beans, sugar… they have the whole kit-and-caboodle.

Proteins and carbohydrates. Some of the storehouses will help non-LDS members process and ‘can’ your own foods for storage. The LDS advise how to can and pack… and you do the work. I obtained a large amount of my Emergency Foods from them. Generally, pretty nice people too! I have food for my family and the members of my CDM Neighborhood Protection PlanTM that will keep us fed for over a year… maybe longer.

Mostly for cooking, I keep four gallons of rice bran oil on hand at all times. A heart surgeon friend turned me on to this as it’s made from rice kernel hulls and is chock-full of anti-oxidants. Loaded! We cook with rice oil and prefer the taste of it over olive oil. I drink a shot glass of this and even give my dogs a snort of it every day. It has a longer shelf life in its plastic container and is full of anti-oxidants.

Use our free food and water calculator to calculate out what you have in your home for food now… then however much you have… go out and buy more.

We’re Experiencing Issues On A Level In America That We Have Never Before Seen…
  • Fake fraudulent and fabricated lies and daily omission of the truth has become news,
  • The Covid-19 ‘pandemic’ and Individual Rights violations on a huge scale by government officials eager to enforce draconian laws,
  • Mass rioting
  • An ongoing attempt at election fraud by ‘Americans’ who hate this country,
  • An enormous effort to disarm Americans
  • American corporations donating massive amounts of money to anti-American organizations,
  • The inability to have a civil discussion of politics or ideology without it turning to violence even in families,
  • White people actively advocating the genocide of their own race and acting as the majority race members of a ‘Black Lives Matter’ organization,
  • The militant wing of the Communists ANTIFA becoming more and more violent,
Did I cover them all?…what’s next?
Don’t be a willing participant in you, your family and neighbor’s deaths.
Don’t be a willing participant of Globalist plans.
If you want to keep this country’s Constitution and Individual Liberties, freaking buy food NOW… it’s cheap.
Buy Extra For People You Know Can’t Afford To.

LINK -
Store Food NOW! - Civil Defense Manual
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Execution by Hunger is a survivors account of the Soviet starvation of the Ukrainian peasants. Powerful story. And very frightening. Everyone should read it.

I love the get to know your local farmer or gardener. What is that going to do? Chances are his crops and livestock are going to be stripped by the starving masses. As for hunting and foraging you had best do it right away because there wont be much left in a month.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
When you are TRULY starving, you don't do a lot of things with others. You don't cooperate much. And your ability to aim reasonably well is GONE by then. 3-4-5 days of not eating will screw you up more than you can imagine if you are as wealthy as the street people you see (but DON'T see) every day. Americans have NO CLUE how wealthy even the poorest of us are.

There is NO SUCH THING (today) as HUNGER in America. Wouldn't take all that much (with a bit of patience) to make that untrue.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
Here is the link to the online LDS Food Storage Calculator. It is the best one I've found to use to calculate the specifics for your individual situations.


The LDS also has an online store where you can purchase canned staples.


They operate what used to be called food canneries that are now called LDS Home Storage Centers where anyone can go and purchase pre-canned bulk foods as well.

 
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xtreme_right

Veteran Member
I believe that the same people provoking unrest and intent on twisting the election results by fraud of mail-in votes, intend to create a man-made famine Catastrophic Event at some point whether they win or not. My logic… Citizens are armed to the teeth in America… and they’re failing in their attempt to disarm us. America is the last obstacle to these people gaining control over everyone on this planet.
This makes a lot of sense.

I have a spreadsheet of what to buy each trip to the store between now and the elections. I wish I hadn’t backed off a few months this summer.
 

Sicario

The Executor
This makes a lot of sense.

I have a spreadsheet of what to buy each trip to the store between now and the elections. I wish I hadn’t backed off a few months this summer.
Unfortunately, it looks like the U.S. is going to be called upon once again to save the free world. I hope we're up the the task again this time. :shk:
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Here is the link to the online LDS Food Storage Calculator. It is the best one I've found to use to calculate the specifics for your individual situations.


The LDS also has an online store where you can purchase canned staples.


They operate what used to be called food canneries that are now called LDS Home Storage Centers where anyone can go and purchase pre-canned bulk foods as well.

If you go to an LDS Cannery call ahead as they may be low or out of stock on what you are looking for. I have bought a lot of stuff from them in the past and it is good stuff.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
I thought I had more food than I did until I checked against one of these food calculators. Food takes a lot of room to store!
These calculators are an eye opener for a lot of people. We don't realize how much food we consume in a year until it is all sitting in buckets/boxes in the basement. One thing to remember is that these are based on a standard calorie count so if you are doing a lot of hard work the food wont last as long. Also as families change numbers need to be adjusted. Toddlers turn into teenagers who are bottomless pits.
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
Years ago, someone on another discussion forum posted a link to the LDS Food Calculator. I went to the link, since I was just starting out prepping. After looking at it, I thought that I could never reach that much food in storage. It was just too much for a year's supply, and I only have a small house. We made up our minds to do it, though.

No, a lot of people just don't realize how much food it takes for a year's supply.
 
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Blacknarwhal

TB Fanatic
Even BLM can't loot food from empty store shelves.
Oh, I know THAT, but obviously, the people who want to use food as a weapon against people have food. They can't not, if they expect to use it as a weapon. It's like me saying I mean to use this death ray as a weapon against you. We both know I don't have a death ray, so the threat is empty.

So the people who want to use food as a weapon must have food. And if they mean to use food as a weapon to take our guns away, then clearly, we have guns and they have food. So why don't we simply use our guns to take their food? It's immoral, certainly, but then so is trying to enslave people with food. So we stop immorality that way, even if we're doing something immoral in doing so.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
If it gets down to relying on these foods there will be lots of folks who think you should share your food, and some of those folks might outright demand it.
Think about it maybe.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
So the people who want to use food as a weapon must have food. And if they mean to use food as a weapon to take our guns away, then clearly, we have guns and they have food. So why don't we simply use our guns to take their food? It's immoral, certainly, but then so is trying to enslave people with food. So we stop immorality that way, even if we're doing something immoral in doing so.
If you did take the food how would you distribute it?
 

Blacknarwhal

TB Fanatic
If you did take the food how would you distribute it?
I figure you'd have to do it first-come-first-serve, which isn't the best option, but it does beat slavery.

And honestly, I'm not out to take other people's food at gunpoint. I wanted to point out how unlikely it would be that people could be "enslaved through food" when there are guns.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I figure you'd have to do it first-come-first-serve, which isn't the best option, but it does beat slavery.
I just meant we need to think beyond the basics. We can't just say we would shoot someone who wants to take our food or we could just take the food from ?? A business? A trucker? I believe the time has come to think and plan several levels now not just on the surface. Every individuals situation is different so there is no one size fits all solutions. But it's time to actually think through several levels. It's like I hear a countdown clock ticking.. louder each day now
Hope that makes sense.
 

Blacknarwhal

TB Fanatic
I just meant we need to think beyond the basics. We can't just say we would shoot someone who wants to take our food or we could just take the food from ?? A business? A trucker? I believe the time has come to think and plan several levels now not just on the surface. Every individuals situation is different so there is no one size fits all solutions. But it's time to actually think through several levels. It's like I hear a countdown clock ticking.. louder each day now
Hope that makes sense.
Sounds reasonable. About all we're going to be able to do is build what stocks we can and hope they last long enough.
 

Old Gray Mare

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And, nobody has ever seen, or can begin to fully grasp, how very vicious
they'll all become when they don't know if/when/where they will next find
something to eat.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Great Grandmother made it out of Norway three weeks before Quisling handed the country over to the NAZI's. Real NAZIs not the ones that only exist in the fedit dreams of blue city leftists.

I grew up with family stories of WWII, the Great Depression and ratioing. Those events are almost out of living memory. Those events happened. They affected the US. They can happen again.

There have been several threads lately urging people to stock up food because now "it's cheap!". Well anyone not suffering from some form of dementia can see that even in the last few months increases in food prices and availability issues have become issues.

I'm stocking up now because it's cheap insurance and we get to eat the premium. I try to buy what we eat and rotate foods so it doesn't go to waste. I also look at it like an investment. I buy the food, prices go up and I've made money on my investment. Anyone think prices are magically going to decrease?
 

Old Gray Mare

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have been wondering lately if the next crisis will be a tainted food and/or water supply. It's been nagging at me.
May have already happened with dog food? You think that maybe was a test? A test of the US's ability to identify the problem, deal with the tainted food so that the potential harm is mitigated, find alternatives and see what the US response would be?
 

Cyclonemom

Veteran Member
3-4-5 days of not eating will screw you up more than you can imagine if you are as wealthy as the street people you see (but DON'T see) every day.

Just a quick note here. I frequently do 5-7 day fasts. Water, coffee, and SALT only.

I strongly recommend everyone practice fasting. Start with a day. Next time do 2. Then more. Learn how your body reacts, and how you respond. That way if you do have to go periods without food, you know what to expect.

Unless you are on insulin or metformin ir similar diabetic meds, your blood sugar will not go too low. But your sodium might. My first symptom is light-headedness, so I take a quick 1/8ish tsp of salt (I prefer Real Salt from Utah), and make sure I keep up the fluid intake.

However, by about day 4, I usually have greater clarity of mind. And very little hunger at all.

Have salt on hand for periods of no food!

Even keep an emergency stash in your BOB For an emergency if nothing else.

If you are interested in the effects of Fasting, read The Diabetic Code or The Complete Guide to Fasting by Jason Fung.
 

Bps1691

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If it gets down to relying on these foods there will be lots of folks who think you should share your food, and some of those folks might outright demand it.
Think about it maybe.
This 100%!

You will hear the "it isn't fair that you have it and I don't" from just about anybody when they are really hungry and they know you have food.

Your neighbors, the local little town officials, or anyone else who finds out that you have it will justify taking from you who scrimped and work hard to look ahead and build up your stores, because "it isn't fair".

There are thousands of examples of this throughout Paw Fiction and from actual history. If you face the truth about humans (yourself included), you would justify taking the food of someone else to feed your children or yourself because it is instinct. Wars have started over food resources, history is rife with Human cannibalism both in ancient and in recent times. People get hungry enough they will do about anything for food.

Food is a wonderfully useful weapon when used by the State. Read about the Holodomor in Ukraine when Stalin after setting up his communist "collectives" which totally failed, sent troupes in and forcibly took all the food from the remaining farmers to send back to mother Russia and starved 4 million people.

Those that control the "state" will always have the most and best of any food that is available, they'll see to that. Even if it means the majority of people will starve.
 
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xtreme_right

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These calculators are an eye opener for a lot of people. We don't realize how much food we consume in a year until it is all sitting in buckets/boxes in the basement.
I used the calculators years ago for y2k but reduced my food storage after several cross country moves. I got back to Texas and started building it back up but never referred back to the calculators.
I’m being OCD in trying to track it all with spreadsheets because I’ll be damned if I let stored food go bad. I’m also trying to make sure I have roughly the same percentages stored. I don’t want 2 years of rice but only 3 months of sugar, for example.
 

summerthyme

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These calculators are an eye opener for a lot of people. We don't realize how much food we consume in a year until it is all sitting in buckets/boxes in the basement. One thing to remember is that these are based on a standard calorie count so if you are doing a lot of hard work the food wont last as long. Also as families change numbers need to be adjusted. Toddlers turn into teenagers who are bottomless pits.
That is why I always recommend "Making The Best of Basics" by James Talmage Stevens. It is the most comprehensive and detailed book on prepping and food storage I've found. And it has charts of food needs, categorized by age and sex. Teenage boys essentially count as two average people!

And yes, if you aren't used to doing hard physical work, the amount of food it will take will shock you. I've posted it before, but when we were first married, I was stunned at how much hubby ate every day... easily 5,000 calories, and he's not a big man. When we has 4 teenagers in the house, l started supper preparations by peeling 10# of potatoes. Occasionally, we'd even have enough leftover for hash browns the next day... but not often!

Summerthyme
 

Bps1691

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If you go to an LDS Cannery call ahead as they may be low or out of stock on what you are looking for. I have bought a lot of stuff from them in the past and it is good stuff.
The closest one to me is in INDIANAPOLIS and I've never gone there. I've always used the online store and had it shipped to me. The prices and products are as good or better than most of the LTS foods I've bought from the other suppliers.

I've bought staples, but I've had no issues with them at all. They have out of stocks a lot more in the last six months than in the past when I've ordered, but what I have ordered has been processed and shipped in short order.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I strongly recommend everyone practice fasting. Start with a day. Next time do 2. Then more. Learn how your body reacts, and how you respond. That way if you do have to go periods without food, you know what to expect.

Unless you are on insulin or metformin ir similar diabetic meds, your blood sugar will not go too low. But your sodium might. My first symptom is light-headedness, so I take a quick 1/8ish tsp of salt (I prefer Real Salt from Utah), and make sure I keep up the fluid intake.
I should be so lucky.

I miss 2 meals in a row, or one when I'm working and my sugar level heads for the 40's real damn fast. Incoherence and inability to control movements shows up right behind.

Fasting ain't for everyone. One should TRY it, sure. But have a glucometer and CHECK your sugar level fairly regularly throughout the experiment.
40's and you NEED to intervene with food (preferably carbs followed by proteins. Yes, carbs FIRST, They provide the initial energy for your body to process proteins. Like kindling for a fire.)
 

tm1439m

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When I was younger, less than 40 I averaged 6000 to 8000 calories a day and 300 to 400 grams of fat. And I was not fat, just a very hard working fool. 12 to 14 hours a day 7 days a week doing construction for months at a time was nothing for me. I have slowed down a lot since those days but still have a very healthy appetite.
 

rob0126

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That is why I always recommend "Making The Best of Basics" by James Talmage Stevens. It is the most comprehensive and detailed book on prepping and food storage I've found. And it has charts of food needs, categorized by age and sex. Teenage boys essentially count as two average people!

And yes, if you aren't used to doing hard physical work, the amount of food it will take will shock you. I've posted it before, but when we were first married, I was stunned at how much hubby ate every day... easily 5,000 calories, and he's not a big man. When we has 4 teenagers in the house, l started supper preparations by peeling 10# of potatoes. Occasionally, we'd even have enough leftover for hash browns the next day... but not often!

Summerthyme
Thanks for pouring that big bucket of cold reality on us.
I think it is needed now.
 
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