INTL China calls for Russia-Ukraine cease-fire, peace talks

[jward]

China calls for Russia-Ukraine cease-fire, peace talks​

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BEIJING (AP) — China has called for a cease-fire between Ukraine and Russia and the opening of peace talks as part of a 12-point proposal to end the conflict.


The plan issued Friday morning by the Foreign Ministry also urges the end of Western sanctions imposed on Russia, measures to ensure nuclear facilities, the establishment of humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of civilians and steps to ensure the export of grain, after disruptions caused global food prices to spike.
China has claimed to be neutral in the conflict, but it has a “no limits” relationship with Russia and has refused to criticize its invasion of Ukraine over even refer to it as such, while accusing the West of provoking the conflict and “fanning the flames” by providing Ukraine with defensive arms.


The peace proposal mainly elaborated on long-held Chinese positions, including referring to the need that all countries’ “sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity be effectively guaranteed.”
It also called an end to the “Cold War mentality” — it’s standard term for what it regards as U.S. hegemony and interference in other countries.


China abstained Thursday when the U.N. General Assembly approved a nonbinding resolution that calls for Russia to end hostilities in Ukraine and withdraw its forces.

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China calls for Russia-Ukraine cease-fire, peace talks

BEIJING (AP) — China has called for a cease-fire between Ukraine and Russia and the opening of peace talks as part of a 12-point proposal to end the conflict. The plan issued Friday morning by the Foreign Ministry also urges the end of Western sanctions imposed on Russia, measures to ensure...

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[33dInd]

And
So it begins

 

[Disciple]

Sounds like an excellent start! Go for it! Sure beats having your cities vaporized with tens of million casualties!

 

[Babs]

Well if China is for it, I'm sure that Brandon is also.

 

[Matt]

Not good and not unexpected... from the Saker earlier this week!

"It seems likely to me that in the coming weeks Russia’s ally, China, will offer a peace deal which freezes the Ukraine conflict within the current lines of contact, i.e. Ukraine conceding lost territory to Russia.

If the West rejects the offered peace, which seems fairly likely, then all of the conditions for a nuclear war will be in place. All it will take is a new provocation by NATO to trigger a first strike by Russia. Or worse, if both parties realize this is the case, both will have the incentive to strike first."

The Dire Significance of Putin’s Feb 21 Speech | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

 

[aznurse]

Whom the gods destroy they first make mad. Nuclear talk is madness. Just look at pictures of Heroshima. Not supporting peace talks is madness.

 

[jward]

Would like to see the source docs/actual presentation from China. I know China-Russia-Orange-Man-BAD but I also know what I watched with my own two eyes, which is our dot-guvs pizzin' gas on this conflict at every opportunity, and at every hint that peace might break out- and never ever even pretending to seek to deescalate the situation.

I also well recall Hillary's mad-on for RU, and clear signalling that she was planning to lead us into further conflict with them when she took her pre-ordained throne.
Oops.
Unfortunately that conflict seems merely to have been delayed, not denied.

 

[jward]

China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis​ ​ ​

2023-02-24 09:00​

1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected. 2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent. 3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire. 4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard. 5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones. 6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose. 7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities. 8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances. 9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis. 10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN Security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people. 11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery. 12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor. China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis

 

[Disciple]

I support the resolution.

 

[Cedar Lake]

I support the resolution.

I support the solution, it's clear, and straight forward talk.

 

[33dInd]

China making scene
Russia having a point
America being a bully
Ukraine being the little brother picking the fight
NATO going along to get along

I think I’m just gonna go talk to my chickens. They do need to get busy on the nest

 

[Cacheman]

 

[raven]

​ China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis​ ​ ​

2023-02-24 09:00​

1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected. 2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent. 3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire. 4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard. 5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones. 6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose. 7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities. 8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances. 9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis. 10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN Security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people. 11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery. 12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor. China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis

Peace and security
They will swoon over the opportunity

 

[Cacheman]

 

[Doughboy42]

"12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor."

But, but, but, if that happens, all those tens of billions won't flow into the arms industries.

 

[Dystonic]

​ China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis​ ​ ​

2023-02-24 09:00​

1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected. 2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent. 3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire. 4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard. 5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones. 6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose. 7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities. 8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances. 9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis. 10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN Security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people. 11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery. 12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor. China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis

I can't believe that is openly on the Chinese embassy site. The US is being told to step aside. They have the stronger allies, more resources, and they put Biden in as a mockery. Are we now the Soviet Union with its inferiorities?

 

[Ira]

China making sense
Russia having a point
America being a bully
Ukraine being the little brother picking the fight
NATO going along to get along

I think I’m just gonna go talk to my chickens. They do need to get busy on the nest

all we need is for Hell to freeze over........

 

[33dInd]

all we need is for Hell to freeze over........

Well today in central Oklahoma I do believe it has

 

[jward]

"12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor."

But, but, but, if that happens, all those tens of billions won't flow into the arms industries.

The (re)construction grift-graft game is almost as big o' part o' this wealth and power stealing scheme as is the M/mic

 

[jward]

Macron to visit China, seek Xi’s help to end Russia-Ukraine war​

Al Jazeera​

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French president’s announcement comes after China published a 12-point position paper calling for a truce, talks in Ukraine.

French President Emmanuel Macron has said he will visit China in April to seek the Chinese government’s help with ending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The announcement on Saturday came after China published a 12-point position paper that called for a ceasefire and a “political settlement” to end the year-long conflict.

Macron, speaking on the sidelines of an agricultural show in Paris, said he would visit China in “early April”.
“The fact that China is engaging in peace efforts is a good thing,” the French leader said, stressing that peace was only possible if “Russian aggression was halted, troops withdrawn, and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people was respected”.

“China must help us put pressure on Russia so that it never uses chemical or nuclear weapons … and that it stops its aggression as a precondition for talks,” he added.
Beijing has sought to position itself as a neutral party on the conflict, even as it has maintained close ties with Russia and helped scuttle a joint statement condemning the war at a G20 gathering in India.
The Chinese position paper, published on the anniversary of the conflict, said war benefits no one and urged all parties to “support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible”.
Released by the foreign ministry, the plan urges an end to Western sanctions against Russia, the establishment of humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of civilians and steps to ensure the export of grain after disruptions caused global food prices to spike last year.

It also made clear its opposition to the use and threat of deploying nuclear weapons after Russian President Vladimir Putin threatened to use Moscow’s atomic arsenal in the conflict.



Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy welcomed China’s efforts on Friday, saying Kyiv needed to cooperate with Beijing to put an end to the war.

Macron to visit China, seek Xi’s help to end Russia-Ukraine war

French president’s announcement comes after China published a 12-point position paper calling for a truce in Ukraine.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Hawkgirl_70]

Good! This war needs to end yesterday before it goes nuclear. Why wait until April? Go this week. So Sick of Z and the money laundring and his demands of the US people and hate KGB Putin and don’t trust him. I pray for the innocent Ukrainian people to finally get their lives back together, or whoever and whatever is left.

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

China's mistake is they are using the framework to prevent the west from interferring when they go after Taiwan later this year. All China has to do is team up with Russia with troops and decimate Ukraine military aid. China needs the military experience more than Russia does at this point. China has enough troops to decimate western Europe.

 

[Oreally]

just a publicity stunt.

there can be, and will not be, any cease fire without a withdrawal of the russians to the 1991 boundaries of ukraine.

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

just a publicity stunt.

there can be, and will not be, any cease fire without a withdrawal of the russians to the 1991 boundaries of ukraine.

Not just that. China is laying ground work to get off scott free when they invade Taiwan. Some of the other things I have read that the CCP said about things lead me to believe that they are trying to minimize all economic reprecussions from invasion ahead of time.

 

[Disciple]

Better for Ukraine to surrender the Donbass area which they were trying to destroy before Russia came in and which is basically Russian anyway than to find their entire country nothing but an ash heap.

Not to mention the hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives that would be saved on both sides. Or the millions which will be lost from the first day Nukes began to be used. Or the billions that will die in the aftermath of starvation, riot and murder.

 

[Hawkgirl_70]

Better for Ukraine to surrender the Donbass area which they were trying to destroy before Russia came in and which is basically Russian anyway than to find their entire country nothing but an ash heap.

Not to mention the hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives that would be saved on both sides. Or the millions which will be lost from the first day Nukes began to be used. Or the billions that will die in the aftermath of starvation, riot and murder.

Well said, Totally agree!

 

[Sweetwood]

Call me skeptical.

 

[raven]

Well today in central Oklahoma I do believe it has

Sorry to disagree. And it might sound strange coming from a born and bred Texan living in Oklahoma.
However,
A) Central Oklahoma isn't hell.
B) It is 48 degrees

 

[33dInd]

Sorry to disagree. And it might sound strange coming from a born and bred Texan living in Oklahoma.
However,
A) Central Oklahoma isn't hell.
B) It is 48 degrees

Well
Today yeah
But Friday it was bitchin cold
Strong north wind
Moisture
Chickens staying in the coop
And dawgs having to be tossed out side kickin and growling
So yeah

 

[33dInd]

Sorry to disagree. And it might sound strange coming from a born and bred Texan living in Oklahoma.
However,
A) Central Oklahoma isn't hell.
B) It is 48 degrees

No disagreement
It’s all just fun an people talking over coffee

 

[raven]

Well
Today yeah
But Friday it was bitchin cold
Strong north wind
Moisture
Chickens staying in the coop
And dawgs having to be tossed out side kickin and growling
So yeah

Well, it is a little colder than central Texas. And the electric bill is a little higher than Texas in winter but it is a little cooler here in the summer. I used a little less electric last month than last year.

But people here complain about the weather as much here as they do in Texas, so it evens out.

 

[33dInd]

But people here complain about the weather as much here as they do in Texas, so it evens out.

Now
I have lived in central Oklahoma since 1960
And in general I love our weather
Except for august. I despise august
And January
January gets an honest negative evaluation every year

 

[jward]

China should be judged by its actions, not words, German defence minister says​

2 minute read
February 26, 2023
6:31 AM CST
Last Updated 8 hours ago

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BERLIN, Feb 26 (Reuters) - German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius on Sunday reacted with scepticism to a Chinese ceasefire proposal for the war in Ukraine.
"When I hear reports - and I don't know whether they are true - according to which China may be planning to supply kamikaze drones to Russia while at the same time presenting a peace plan, then I suggest we judge China by its actions and not its words," he told German public broadcaster Deutschlandfunk in an interview.
Pistorius was echoing comments by NATO and the European Commission who both raised doubts on Friday about Beijing's credibility as a mediator after it published a ceasefire proposal.

​

Beijing offered the proposal on Friday, the first anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy welcomed some elements of the Chinese proposal but said only the country where a war is being fought should be the initiator of a peace plan.

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Pistorius underlined it was up to Kyiv to decide when and under what conditions to enter talks with Moscow, and he suggested the same was true for any decision on recapturing the Crimea peninsula that Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014.

"I am leaning towards saying, yes, Crimea is Ukrainian territory and it therefore has to be given back," he said in the interview. "But again: This is not a decision that's up to us to take."
Zelenskiy says his troops will eventually drive Russia from all the captured territory, including the Crimea peninsula.

China should be judged by its actions, not words, German defence minister says

German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius on Sunday reacted with scepticism to a Chinese ceasefire proposal for the war in Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

 

[jward]

Dionis Cenusa
@DionisCenusa

#Ukraine: Zelensky would dislike many points in the Chinese 12-point proposal for peace negotiations. However, he allegedly said that he is working on some points. This could be related to nuclear safety and obtaining the grain agreement. Meanwhile, the Chinese MFA has stressed

that Beijing has always maintained political dialogue with all parties. There is a high expectation from the West and Ukraine that China can contain the escalation of Russian threats. At the same time, the US continues to warn about China's readiness to support Russia

militarily. These claims were not yet supported by clear evidence. But the US is known to be using "signalling" to deter third countries from helping Russia circumvent sanctions.
5:47 AM · Feb 27, 2023
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China has always maintained contact with all sides, including Ukraine - foreign ministry​

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China has always maintained communication with all sides in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, including Kyiv.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said this at a briefing on Monday, commenting on the possibility of a meeting between Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky and Chinese leader Xi Jinping, according to Reuters.
"China's position on the Ukraine crisis is consistent and very clear," she said.

"The core is to call for peace and promote dialogue and promote a political solution to the crisis. We have always maintained communication with the sides involved including Ukraine," Mao said.
On February 24 at a press conference in Kyiv, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said he planned to meet with Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

On the first anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Chinese Foreign Ministry published its "position on the political settlement of the Ukraine crisis." The document consists of 12 points.
President Volodymyr Zelensky said he did not like all the points of China's peace plan, adding that "we can work" with some of them.

China has always maintained contact with all sides, including Ukraine - foreign ministry

China has always maintained communication with all sides in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, including Kyiv. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

 

[jward]

Kremlin says China's peace plans 'deserve attention'​

Men wearing military uniform walk along Red Square in front of St. Basil's Cathedral in central Moscow on February 13, 2023.
Alexander Nemenov | Afp | Getty Images

A peace plan put forward by China that it believes could resolve the Ukraine war should be given attention, the Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Monday.
"Any attempts to develop plans that will help transfer the conflict to a peaceful course deserve attention," Peskov told reporters, Russian news agency Ria Novosti said.

"We treat the plan of our Chinese friends with great attention. As for the details, of course, the details should be the subject of careful analysis, taking into account the interests of the parties," he added.
Russia counts China among the last of its powerful international allies, having burned bridges with much of the global community following its invasion of Ukraine a year ago.

On the first anniversary of the war last Friday, China called for a comprehensive ceasefire in Ukraine and promoted its own 12-point peace plan that called for a cessation of hostilities, the sovereignty of all countries to be respected, warned against the use of nuclear weapons, and called for nuclear power plants to be kept safe as well as calling for a Cold War mentality to be abandoned.
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he was open to considering parts of Beijing's proposed peace plan.
— Holly Ellyatt

Ukraine war live updates: Putin warns NATO’s nuclear capability can't be ignored; future world order is being decided, Russia says

Russia's Vladimir Putin said Moscow has to take into account NATO's nuclear capabilities as he again falsely claimed that the West wants to eliminate Russia.

www.cnbc.com

 

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Is China gonna get involved in the Ukraine war? A (short) thread. The short answer is no. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has been a complete pain for China. China had previously announced a friendship with ‘no limits’ with Russia, and felt that it got bounced into the Feb 2022 invasion - it wasn’t explicitly told it was going to happen. But there are two other important factors to consider. The Russian invasion has been a failure, and more than that it has unified the West and made the West realise that the world is not as benign as they were self-deluding themselves about. This, more than anything, makes Chinese designs on Taiwan much more difficult The Russia-Ukraine and China-Taiwan situations are pretty analogous, no matter what the Chinese government insists. The world is not that keen on invasions of sovereign countries, judging by the recent votes at the UN (141 countries condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine and demanded a withdrawal) And this sense of world outrage, coupled with the West being much more unified, is making the Chinese think much more carefully about Taiwan The second thing is China is taking a long hard look at its military. Russia and China have both been on similar military journeys over the last 20 years: They are both trying to move from manpower intensive militaries to technology-enabled ones (like the west has) that are able to fight short decisive wars. Look at the Russian attempt - they failed to gain air control, their armoured columns for bogged down, and now they are back to fighting an infantry / artillery war. Same as World War 2. It goes to show that you can buy all the kit you like, but if your army doesn’t train properly and - critically - fight wars, then you never know if it’s gonna work when it comes to the crunch. (One reason the US and the UK are military powers is that they fight a lot of wars. Practice makes perfect.) So the Chinese are reassessing how good their military is - especially in light of the fact that crossing 100 miles of Taiwan Strait (patrolled by enemy submarines) is a LOT more difficult that rolling over the border into a neighbouring country that has connected up railways. So where does all this analysis leave China now? They really don’t want Russia to lose. That would be embarrassing. But it is clear that Russia can’t win. And this is more probably true even if China floods them with weapons: the Russian military is too corrupt, to poorly trained, and with too low morale. And giving weapons to Russia means that China will destroy its relationship with the US and Europe - to whom it wants to sell all of its goods. So China isn’t going to give weapons to Russia. So China is trying to find a landing zone between its friendship with Russia, and its need to trade with the West. Hence it’s new peace plan. It’s trying to act like an honest broker. If I had to guess - the landing zone for any Chinese involvement will be diplomatic cover for Russian withdrawal, and further subjugation of Russia in the Russia China relationship, BUT critically - this keeps Putin in charge. This keeps the West happy: Russia withdraws Putin stays in power (the west is scared of what comes after Russia) It keeps China happy: Gets Russian resources on the cheap Keeps Putin happy - he stays in power. • • •