GOV/MIL Child found misplaced Capitol Police gun in Boehner's bathroom

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May 01, 2015, 09:44 am
Child found misplaced Capitol Police gun in Boehner's bathroom

By Ben Kamisar
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Capitol Police officers misplaced their loaded guns in plain sight on at least three separate occasions, including once when a small child found the weapon, according to a Roll Call analysis of a Capitol Police Board report.

One officer assigned to protect Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) left his gun in a toilet seat cover holder in a bathroom stall in the Capitol Visitor Center in January, according to the paper.

Another assigned to the detail of Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) left a firearm in the bathroom of the Speaker’s suite, where a 7- or 8-year-old visiting child discovered the gun. The Glock pistol left by Boehner’s detail does not have a traditional locking mechanism and could still be fired when left out, Roll Call reported.
A janitor found the third pistol out in the Capitol Police headquarters, according to the paper.

The report on the January incident reportedly shows that police brass recommended a six-day suspension without pay for the officer from McConnell’s detail as punishment, but Roll Call reports that the other two incidents are still under investigation.

Boehner spokesman Michael Steel declined to comment on the incidents, referring questions to Capitol Police.

“The Department takes very seriously all breaches of Department rules and has established policies that address such matters,” Lt. Kimberly Schneider, a Capitol Police spokeswoman, told Roll Call in an email.

“Each disciplinary matter is thoroughly investigated and reviewed, employees are held accountable for their conduct, and they are provided due process in adjudicating these matters. Depending on the nature and seriousness of the violation, an employee’s record, and other ýrequired considerations, an appropriate penalty is applied, up to and including termination of employment. As a matter of policy, the Department does not routinely discuss internal personnel matters, in order to maintain the integrity of the Department.”

The offices of McConnell and Boehner did not issue a comment to the paper.

Capitol Police Chief Kim Dine submitted a letter of resignation earlier this month, according to multiple media reports. But the Capitol Police Board has not publicly said whether it would accept the letter, according to Roll Call.

Dine received a grilling on Capitol Hill Wednesday during a House Oversight and Government Reform hearing over a man flying a gyrocopter landing outside the capitol building earlier this month.
 

MtnGal

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How does anyone forget where they left a gun? They must have been preoccupied with all the pictures on their smartphone.
 

2Trish

Veteran Member
Sorry but anyone in that high profile position should quit, resign or get fired. That is not a simple, "I lost my keys or I lost my car in a parking lot" situation. If they can't focus on keeping track of their own property then they probably can't focus on other issues that could actually get someone killed. Some positions should have no do-overs, like surgeons, pilots, etc.
 

Dafodil

Veteran Member
I call BS! Does anyone really think TPTB actually use the 'visitors' bathroom?? Really. And was or he 7 or 8??? and WTH is a 7 or 8 yr old doing in the speaker's 'suite?'
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

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I call BS! Does anyone really think TPTB actually use the 'visitors' bathroom?? Really. And was or he 7 or 8??? and WTH is a 7 or 8 yr old doing in the speaker's 'suite?'

I agree.
There are very troubling possibilities for so many and so obvious failures.
Loaded and lost guns and small children wandering about the Capitol is a recipe for a tragedy. The odd incidents about the guns raises real questions about the security for the Capitol, not just individuals but also a flawed or abused system.
Does someone have a plan that involves guns and the US Capitol?
Situational awareness is great at the individual level, but cannot compensate for poor or malicious organization practices.
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Doc1

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As someone who carried daily for years and still does frequently, I can tell you that forgetting a weapon does happen and you don't need any conspiracy theories to explain it. I have never misplaced a firearm while carrying, but I have misplaced them around my house...always to be found immediately thereafter. I have seen folks forget duty and personal CCW weapons. For those who've never carried on a regular basis, it really is like losing your car keys or wallet. I'm not saying this as an excuse, mind you...only as an explanation. We humans are fallible. Mechanics lose sockets, doctors sometimes forget surgical tools inside patients and there is even a story that once the presidential nuclear "football" was lost.

Once we humans become perfect, there will never be any lost guns, but at that point there should be little need for them. I'm not holding my breath!

Best regards
Doc
 

Satanta

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As someone who carried daily for years and still does frequently, I can tell you that forgetting a weapon does happen and you don't need any conspiracy theories to explain it. I have never misplaced a firearm while carrying, but I have misplaced them around my house...always to be found immediately thereafter. I have seen folks forget duty and personal CCW weapons. For those who've never carried on a regular basis, it really is like losing your car keys or wallet. I'm not saying this as an excuse, mind you...only as an explanation. We humans are fallible. Mechanics lose sockets, doctors sometimes forget surgical tools inside patients and there is even a story that once the presidential nuclear "football" was lost.

Once we humans become perfect, there will never be any lost guns, but at that point there should be little need for them. I'm not holding my breath!

Best regards
Doc

Pretty much. Busy day, in a hurry, gotta crap so you set your gun aside to dump your load, someone beating on the door, wipe, flush and run and forget your gun. Shit happens.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
It's easy for forget where you laid a gun down, so it's important to cultivate habits that don't let you do that. As for the child in the inner suite, that's someone getting a tour as a treat, brings the kid along, kid needs a bathroom, do the math.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
How does anyone forget where they left a gun? They must have been preoccupied with all the pictures on their smartphone.
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they need a bungee cord safety mechanism to crack them one when they step too far away from their firearm.

This would make a great movie plot for an assassination.
 

Maverick

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I've many times in my life when I sit down to do "nature's calling" and there's something about the pocket positioning that caused my wallet to fall out on several occasions.

I could sort'a - kind'a see it happening easily with a firearm of sorts. I'd be embarrased - but a wallet is no different from any other object prone to falling.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Pretty much. Busy day, in a hurry, gotta crap so you set your gun aside to dump your load, someone beating on the door, wipe, flush and run and forget your gun. Shit happens.

Pun intended, I assume. And, to be sure it happens under controlled conditions one heads for the can.

OTOH, if any of us lost our weapon in the military, there would be strong disciplinary action, unless it was lost while we were being shot.
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

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Pun intended, I assume. And, to be sure it happens under controlled conditions one heads for the can.

OTOH, if any of us lost our weapon in the military, there would be strong disciplinary action, unless it was lost while we were being shot.

A wallet is not a pistol lost by LEO(capitol police, secret service) in the rarefied atmosphere of the White House or Capitol.
In the past, misplaced or forgotten or deliberately hidden guns in the White House will end someones career, after a lengthy interrogation.
It is naive to minimize the seriousness of these possible mistakes.
If you are in the White House or Capitol, and lose, misplace, forget a loaded gun, you should consider a career change, Mayberry RFD might be a better fit.
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