LEGAL Charges against Kyle Rittenhouse formally filed in Kenosha shootings

ExCop

Senior Member
No, I Absolutely DO NOT STIPULATE That Kyle Rittenhouse Shouldn’t Have Been In Kenosha
Link to Article
27 Aug 2020

BY Herschel Smith
3 days, 8 hours ago

It has become all the rage. That is, to partially defend Kyle’s actions as probable self defense, but then to raise the following stipulations. First up, Leon Wolf writing at The Blaze.
Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been patrolling the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, Tuesday night. Whatever failures might have existed on the part of state and local government (and there appear to have been many), the idea of a 17-year-old with a loaded rifle being dropped into that powder keg can only happen when some horribly bad judgment has occurred.
We’ll get to that in a minute. Next up, Steven Hayward writing at Powerline.
Let’s stipulate starting out that Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old from Antioch, Illinois, who has been arrested and charged with murder for shooting two people during the Kenosha riots two nights ago, should not have been present at the scene with a semi-auto rifle. That’s no place for a 17-year-old, even if he is a regular at the gun range. And resorting to vigilantism is a sure path to a breakdown in the rule of law and perhaps even open civil war.
Steven is massively naive. He raises two points – his age, and the resort to “vigilantism.” Let’s hold in abatement the issue of age for a moment. As for vigilantism, surely he isn’t thinking clearly or perhaps hasn’t admitted the truth to himself.
We’ve discussed this many times before, but the police are committed to their salary and benefits. They are under absolutely no legal obligation to defend life or property, or provide protection or safety for anyone. We know this from Castle Rock v. Gonzales and Warren v. D.C. They could wait until a murder has been fully and completely committed, while watching and eating doughnuts, and as long as they effect the arrest after the fact, most of them will have fully followed their department protocol.

The police are under the full control of the politicians, and the politicians are mostly Marxists. Thus, holding the police back redounds to the destruction of property, unsafe environment for residents, and even the loss of family wealth when entire businesses have been burned to the ground. Many families are not in a position to take a loss like that, regardless of the money Steven makes.

When left with no alternative, it’s obscene for Hayward to advocate the unrighteousness of defense of life and property. Furthermore, to imply that the “breakdown in the rule of law” is the fault of hopeless and hapless residents lacks compassion, understanding, and good analysis. And to say that this is what may lead to civil war is more ludicrous still. Hayward must surely know that we are in an escalating civil war as we speak. If he doesn’t, I would never hire him as my attorney. He lacks even the basic skills to understand the current milieu or the signs of the times.

As for Leon Wolf, his appeal to the youthful age as a reason that Kyle shouldn’t have been there is equally ridiculous and even bigoted. We send 18 year old men to fight our wars for us, and with approval, 17 year old men can do the same.
Let’s go one step further. In the battle of King’s Mountain, the British forces were essentially all loyalist fighters with the exception of the commander. This was to be General Cornwallis’ going-forward strategy for winning the campaign in the South.

Upon learning of the coming destruction, the “over-mountain men” left their homes in the area and also neighboring states to travel overnight, many nights, on horseback, to gather and fight the loyalists.

At the time of the battle, crops were being harvested and families couldn’t send the fathers. Men had to be in the fields in order to prepare for the coming winter. They did the only thing they could do, and entire families gathered in streets and sang hymns to their young fighters as they sent their sons riding off to war.

They won a decisive victory, destroying Cornwallis’ strategic plan. What most people do not know about the “over-mountain men” is that the vast majority of them were under the age of 18. You too can learn this if you study history, or perhaps come to the King’s Mountain military park and tour it, read the placards, and study the area.
But rather than hold older men accountable for their actions, like politicians and police, pundits are satisfied with turning on Kyle for being young and deciding to make a stand.

Back to Mr. Wolf. The thing that has gone wrong in America for Kyle Rittenhouse to have to do this is that men are no longer men, that they have allowed a Marxist revolution to steal the country, and that no one has the stomach left for having and keeping liberty. What has happened to the effete, cloistered, foppish, dainty men in America? Good Lord.
 

alpha

Veteran Member
We’ve discussed this many times before, but the police are committed to their salary and benefits. They are under absolutely no legal obligation to defend life or property, or provide protection or safety for anyone. We know this from Castle Rock v. Gonzales and Warren v. D.C. They could wait until a murder has been fully and completely committed, while watching and eating doughnuts, and as long as they effect the arrest after the fact, most of them will have fully followed their department protocol.
This... is the absolute truth! I sat in a Duncan Donuts coffee shop years ago with a friend who happened to be an on-duty police officer in Boston, MA. when his radio alerted him to an armed robbery taking place across the street from us. I was shocked and amazed that he didn't immediately respond to the call, so I asked him what he was going to do. He flatly stated that his job is to find and arrest the culprits afterward, not to stop the crime in process. :eek:
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This issue was discussed at length on the big thread. All 3 who attacked and were shot were felons, one of whom was illegally in possession of a handgun. Further, the video clearly shows they were in fact assaulting him. No jury would find for the attackers.

Remember a jury is made up out of people too dumb to get out out of jury duty , who have an agenda to defend or push in the attack, or are good honest folks who think the system still works,you know the people
lawyers politely call rubes or some other less polite names. As to civil suits, don't bet on it civil suits have a much lower bar of proof than criminal charges. Ask yourself why lots of folks who can afford it carry special liability policies in addition to criminal court legal defense policies.
 
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FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Remember a jury is made up out of people too dumb to get out out of jury duty , who have an agenda to defend or push in the attack, or are good honest folks who think the system still works,you know the people
lawyers politely call rubes or some other less polite names. As to civil suits, don't bet on it civil suits have a much lower bar of proof than criminal charges. Ask yourself why lots of folks who can afford it carry special liability policies in addition to criminal court legal defense policies.
Also consider that in a day of leaks, cancel culture, and violence, jury members may be too afraid to acquit, even if they wish to.
 

undead

Veteran Member
from a 'common sense' standpoint Kyle was best not to be in Kenosha, but this set of charges is about intimidating the average citizen from protecting any locality, including their own street they live on, from lawless mobs - they want the average citizen to feel so helpless and frightened they will submit to any demands made by the leftists and the government
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
from a 'common sense' standpoint Kyle was best not to be in Kenosha, but this set of charges is about intimidating the average citizen from protecting any locality, including their own street they live on, from lawless mobs - they want the average citizen to feel so helpless and frightened they will submit to any demands made by the leftists and the government
The same people who say Kyle shouldn't have been in Kenosha also have zero problem with rioters being brought into Kenosha.
 

20Gauge

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This... is the absolute truth! I sat in a Duncan Donuts coffee shop years ago with a friend who happened to be an on-duty police officer in Boston, MA. when his radio alerted him to an armed robbery taking place across the street from us. I was shocked and amazed that he didn't immediately respond to the call, so I asked him what he was going to do. He flatly stated that his job is to find and arrest the culprits afterward, not to stop the crime in process. :eek:
I am not sure they have an obligation to find and arrest the culprits. I believe it is more of a case of supporting the laws of the state as directed by the politicians.... it sure seems that way these days.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
Larry Correia
1d
All of the newly minted Internet Lawyers who just got their Use of Force Degree from the University of Facebook really should slow their roll and read the statement from the Kenosha kid's lawyers... Because holy shit.
And keep in mind this comes from MEGA LAWYER, who now has **** You Money courtesy of CNN and the WaPo.
As a guy who taught this stuff for a living, I rarely comment on actual shooting because most of the info available to the public is crap, and I've never once in my entire life seen the news get the facts even sort of accurate about a violent encounter.
However, in this case, I will comment, and that comment is daaaaaaaaamn. Some DA is about to get force fed a shit sandwich.
That wasn't a statement, that was a warning shot. That was very much a Dear ****face, we've got everything on video, all day, documented, in triplicate, and now we're going to make you choke on it. Good luck getting a Wisconsin jury to root for the wife-beating, pedophile, arsonists who just burned their town down because the local cops shot a rapist who wouldn't drop his knife...
VERSUS the local lifeguard. Who had such premeditated murderous intent that he's on video giving first aid to the protesters right before, but he suddenly morphed into a white supremacist when he extinguished the fire the "mostly peaceful" mostly imported hooliganry set to the place with the massive gas tanks.
Oh yeah, and his "fled the state" sounds like he ran for Mexico, but in reality it means that after the Kenosha PD told him to keep moving, he drove a shorter distance than it takes the average American to get to the grocery store to turn himself in to the cops there that same night. So either the kid is the worst fugitive ever, or your narrative is trash.
If this makes it to trial, that DA is going to experience whole new levels of rectal discomfort, the likes of which the world has never seen before.
And that's before the law suits begin.
This shit is complicated. I keep seeing morons posting their meme level hot takes about situations they know **** all about. No facts. No context. Just team sports.
As for the shooting which started it all, which has NFL players wearing the name of a sex offender on their helmets, the memes everybody is regurgitating thoughtlessly are that he was innocent and just minding his own business, unarmed! but got shot by the cops seven times! in the back! in front of his children! Why didn't the cops do something else! OUTRAGE!!! HURRY AND LOOT AND BURN THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!
Except... if the statement from the police union is even a tiny bit accurate, the memes are horseshit. He wasn't some innocent guy standing on the corner minding his own business. There was a 911 call, apparently from the woman he'd allegedly raped, how he was harassing her, had just stolen her car keys, and she thought he was going to steal her car. He wasn't unarmed. He had a knife. (and it was a karambit, which anybody who knows anything about knives can tell you, is designed to slash arteries and tendons, and can **** you up). He had a warrant anyway. He didn't comply with the cops at all. They tased him and it didn't work (because in real life tasers aren't magic). Apparently they wrestled him even and at one point he got a cop in a headlock(?) (I've not seen that myself, just going off the statement today). AND they finally shot him when he reached into his car, because they thought he was going for a gun, and up to this point the guy hadn't exactly demonstrated himself to be a calm and rational sort.
Seven shots sounds like a lot. It ain't. Handguns suck. And that's basically a second and a half of adrenalinized OH SHIT HE'S GOING FOR A GUN!
But that's cool. Hash tag METOO goes right out the window, whenever its convenient for leftist narratives. So just assume all cops are racist murderers and put the sex offender's name on your helmets, you ****ing heroes.
But what do I know? I'm not in the NFL or a movie star!
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
The DA is probably hoping some black guy will kill the kid while he is in jail before he is bailed out and hopefully that he will be bailed out real quick. If he is killed in jail problem solved and the communists and terrorists are happy.
They want him dead. They don't want to present evidence in court. They want to extradite him to kill him. Simple as that.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
well, you know, the third was a screw-ball. NOT in his wheelhouse and besides, even PROs miss 30% of the time. And yes, if he goes into a Kenosha jail I would fear for his life.
 

155 arty

Senior Member
No, I Absolutely DO NOT STIPULATE That Kyle Rittenhouse Shouldn’t Have Been In Kenosha
Link to Article
27 Aug 2020

BY Herschel Smith
3 days, 8 hours ago

It has become all the rage. That is, to partially defend Kyle’s actions as probable self defense, but then to raise the following stipulations. First up, Leon Wolf writing at The Blaze.

We’ll get to that in a minute. Next up, Steven Hayward writing at Powerline.

Steven is massively naive. He raises two points – his age, and the resort to “vigilantism.” Let’s hold in abatement the issue of age for a moment. As for vigilantism, surely he isn’t thinking clearly or perhaps hasn’t admitted the truth to himself.
We’ve discussed this many times before, but the police are committed to their salary and benefits. They are under absolutely no legal obligation to defend life or property, or provide protection or safety for anyone. We know this from Castle Rock v. Gonzales and Warren v. D.C. They could wait until a murder has been fully and completely committed, while watching and eating doughnuts, and as long as they effect the arrest after the fact, most of them will have fully followed their department protocol.

The police are under the full control of the politicians, and the politicians are mostly Marxists. Thus, holding the police back redounds to the destruction of property, unsafe environment for residents, and even the loss of family wealth when entire businesses have been burned to the ground. Many families are not in a position to take a loss like that, regardless of the money Steven makes.

When left with no alternative, it’s obscene for Hayward to advocate the unrighteousness of defense of life and property. Furthermore, to imply that the “breakdown in the rule of law” is the fault of hopeless and hapless residents lacks compassion, understanding, and good analysis. And to say that this is what may lead to civil war is more ludicrous still. Hayward must surely know that we are in an escalating civil war as we speak. If he doesn’t, I would never hire him as my attorney. He lacks even the basic skills to understand the current milieu or the signs of the times.

As for Leon Wolf, his appeal to the youthful age as a reason that Kyle shouldn’t have been there is equally ridiculous and even bigoted. We send 18 year old men to fight our wars for us, and with approval, 17 year old men can do the same.
Let’s go one step further. In the battle of King’s Mountain, the British forces were essentially all loyalist fighters with the exception of the commander. This was to be General Cornwallis’ going-forward strategy for winning the campaign in the South.

Upon learning of the coming destruction, the “over-mountain men” left their homes in the area and also neighboring states to travel overnight, many nights, on horseback, to gather and fight the loyalists.

At the time of the battle, crops were being harvested and families couldn’t send the fathers. Men had to be in the fields in order to prepare for the coming winter. They did the only thing they could do, and entire families gathered in streets and sang hymns to their young fighters as they sent their sons riding off to war.

They won a decisive victory, destroying Cornwallis’ strategic plan. What most people do not know about the “over-mountain men” is that the vast majority of them were under the age of 18. You too can learn this if you study history, or perhaps come to the King’s Mountain military park and tour it, read the placards, and study the area.
But rather than hold older men accountable for their actions, like politicians and police, pundits are satisfied with turning on Kyle for being young and deciding to make a stand.

Back to Mr. Wolf. The thing that has gone wrong in America for Kyle Rittenhouse to have to do this is that men are no longer men, that they have allowed a Marxist revolution to steal the country, and that no one has the stomach left for having and keeping liberty. What has happened to the effete, cloistered, foppish, dainty men in America? Good Lord.
I'm 56 years old I joined the marines at 17 what now?
 

155 arty

Senior Member
No, I Absolutely DO NOT STIPULATE That Kyle Rittenhouse Shouldn’t Have Been In Kenosha
Link to Article
27 Aug 2020

BY Herschel Smith
3 days, 8 hours ago

It has become all the rage. That is, to partially defend Kyle’s actions as probable self defense, but then to raise the following stipulations. First up, Leon Wolf writing at The Blaze.

We’ll get to that in a minute. Next up, Steven Hayward writing at Powerline.

Steven is massively naive. He raises two points – his age, and the resort to “vigilantism.” Let’s hold in abatement the issue of age for a moment. As for vigilantism, surely he isn’t thinking clearly or perhaps hasn’t admitted the truth to himself.
We’ve discussed this many times before, but the police are committed to their salary and benefits. They are under absolutely no legal obligation to defend life or property, or provide protection or safety for anyone. We know this from Castle Rock v. Gonzales and Warren v. D.C. They could wait until a murder has been fully and completely committed, while watching and eating doughnuts, and as long as they effect the arrest after the fact, most of them will have fully followed their department protocol.

The police are under the full control of the politicians, and the politicians are mostly Marxists. Thus, holding the police back redounds to the destruction of property, unsafe environment for residents, and even the loss of family wealth when entire businesses have been burned to the ground. Many families are not in a position to take a loss like that, regardless of the money Steven makes.

When left with no alternative, it’s obscene for Hayward to advocate the unrighteousness of defense of life and property. Furthermore, to imply that the “breakdown in the rule of law” is the fault of hopeless and hapless residents lacks compassion, understanding, and good analysis. And to say that this is what may lead to civil war is more ludicrous still. Hayward must surely know that we are in an escalating civil war as we speak. If he doesn’t, I would never hire him as my attorney. He lacks even the basic skills to understand the current milieu or the signs of the times.

As for Leon Wolf, his appeal to the youthful age as a reason that Kyle shouldn’t have been there is equally ridiculous and even bigoted. We send 18 year old men to fight our wars for us, and with approval, 17 year old men can do the same.
Let’s go one step further. In the battle of King’s Mountain, the British forces were essentially all loyalist fighters with the exception of the commander. This was to be General Cornwallis’ going-forward strategy for winning the campaign in the South.

Upon learning of the coming destruction, the “over-mountain men” left their homes in the area and also neighboring states to travel overnight, many nights, on horseback, to gather and fight the loyalists.

At the time of the battle, crops were being harvested and families couldn’t send the fathers. Men had to be in the fields in order to prepare for the coming winter. They did the only thing they could do, and entire families gathered in streets and sang hymns to their young fighters as they sent their sons riding off to war.

They won a decisive victory, destroying Cornwallis’ strategic plan. What most people do not know about the “over-mountain men” is that the vast majority of them were under the age of 18. You too can learn this if you study history, or perhaps come to the King’s Mountain military park and tour it, read the placards, and study the area.
But rather than hold older men accountable for their actions, like politicians and police, pundits are satisfied with turning on Kyle for being young and deciding to make a stand.

Back to Mr. Wolf. The thing that has gone wrong in America for Kyle Rittenhouse to have to do this is that men are no longer men, that they have allowed a Marxist revolution to steal the country, and that no one has the stomach left for having and keeping liberty. What has happened to the effete, cloistered, foppish, dainty men in America? Good Lord.
If Kyle didn't belong where he was ,how do the rioters belong there?
 

et2

Veteran Member
So is the felon with missing meat from his arm getting charged with attempted murder? Kyle would be dead if he didn’t blow the felons arm apart.
 
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