BRKG CDC BANS RENTAL EVICTIONS TILL 12-31-20

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Zero Hedge is reporting the CDC center for disease control is banning ALL rental evictions to year's end. Do you all remember when I predicted back in March this rental forebearance and eviction bans would take on a life of their own.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Listen, I understand that many people have lost jobs but they have unemployment and that bonus money also. In most cases people can still pay rent. Sorry but This is INSANE! What are landlords supposed to do? Are they banning mortgage payments for landlords also?

Luckily I don't have a mortgage on my properties but if I did, and I didn't have too much equity in a property... I would absolutely stop paying the mortgage now.

This will have unintended consequences bad consequences. Or am I missing the point and the consequences are exactly as planned? Either way not good.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Never my first, second or third choice for balanced news, this one was worth bringing over...

Here's the money quote. ( Barely decipherable...)
As for those asking just why on earth a decision to halt evictions is being made by the CDC and not say... Congress, an official said "the CDC director has authority to take measures that he's reasonably necessary to mitigate the spread of communicable disease."

Fair Use
In Unprecedented Move, CDC Halts Most Rental Evictions Until End Of 2020
Profile picture for user Tyler Durden by Tyler Durden Tue, 09/01/2020 - 20:30


In an unprecedented move on Tuesday, with Congress unable to reach a common ground on virtually any stimulus extension, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unveiled today it would temporarily - at least through the end of 2020 - suspend most rental evictions for Americans struggling to pay rent due to the pandemic, in a step which CNN dubbed was "broader than eviction protections already in place." The move comes as negotiations on further coronavirus aid have been stalled as Republicans and Democrats refuse to budge on topline numbers for what a new relief package would cost.

In a phone call with reporters, officials said the order will apply to Americans who qualified for direct payments under the CARES Act.
To be sure there are some hurdles: renters will have to prove that they’ve taken "best efforts possible to seek government assistance to make their rental payments," and will have to "declare that they are unable to pay rent due to Covid financial hardship," and must show they "will likely become homeless or move into congregate housing settings if they are evicted", but that should not be a problem for anyone willing to live rent free indefinitely.
Renters will also have to fill out several forms, found on the CDC’s website, and give them directly to their landlords to qualify for the program.

"This will be a declaration presented to the landlord, if that landlord approaches a tenant with an intent to evict,” an official said. Because the move is federally mandated, it “would become a criminal offence” if the landlord chose to ignore the declaration. But it could still end up in courts, possibly leading to legal actions that could show up on background checks or credit reports.
And while landlords are being effectively stripped of most if not all of their rights with this extraordinary intervention, they will still be able to remove tenants for "committing criminal acts, threatening the health and safety of other residents, damaging property or other health and safety considerations," an official added although good luck getting through to the local police station and reporting a crime in a country where defunding the local law enforcement is seen as the pinnacle of progressive thought.

"To the extent that there is a dispute between the landlord and the renter about whether or not an eviction protection is in place here, it can be filed, and that would be for the local courts, which are not federal to adjudicate,” an official said, without clarifying how long before defunding the local courts becomes the next progressive ideal. On the other hand, in places like Portland they won't even have to do that: after all, everyone arrested for rioting is released the next day with the blessing of the judicial branch so they can resume rioting post haste.
Under the CARES Act, only renters in federally-backed rental units were protected from eviction. “This covers any rental unit in United States, so long as the renter meets those requirements, where they've demonstrated that they are at risk of becoming evicted,” an official said. There’s also currently a moratorium on evictions for federally-backed, single family home mortgages.
Realizing that this was nothing short of an invitation to stop paying rent, a CDC official said pointblank this "is not an invitation to stop paying rent." It was unclear how many in the audience laughed. "The order makes clear that a renter who cannot pay his or her full rent should pay an amount that is not unduly burdensome, and as close to payment as possible."
The landlords are surely holding their breath (their best and only recourse... although if they hold it long enough they will surely get a Fed bailout too).
As for those asking just why on earth a decision to halt evictions is being made by the CDC and not say... Congress, an official said "the CDC director has authority to take measures that he's reasonably necessary to mitigate the spread of communicable disease."
“Congress has delegated broad authority to HHS, the Surgeon General and CDC, to take reasonable efforts to combat the spread of communicable diseases, and frankly I think it makes sense for those authorities abroad because we don't know for any given situation or scenario what steps will be needed to stop the spread,” an administration official said. “I think, in this particular order, the CDC has made a very compelling case that it is quite problematic at this particular time. It's focused on this particular pandemic, which is obviously the uniquely powerful grasp in the nation's entire history in terms of the effect it's had that for a bunch of reasons in particular, that the home has been sort of the focal point of people social distancing and building, sort of a safe space themselves over the past few months, and also the fact that if people get kicked out, they may end up in overcrowded congregated living facilities or homeless shelters, and that is a potential recipe for a big spread of COVID-19.”
Asked why that authority wasn’t being used to enact a federal mask mandate, officials refused to answer because the question didn’t "have to do with the call at hand."

Finally, confirming the political nature of the decision, deputy press secretary Brian Morgenstern said the action “means that people struggling to pay rent due to the coronavirus will not have to worry about being evicted and risk further spreading of or exposure to the disease due to economic hardship,” and attacked Democrats on the hill.
Officials did not answer questions about how that legal action could impact credit or future housing options.
And with that, we now wait for the CDC to start sending unemployment benefits and buying Apple bonds.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
I heard a similar report on fox this morning. On hand-held now. Can't add anymore corroboration. Looks like several hoops are attached that must be jumped through.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Zero Hedge is reporting the CDC center for disease control is banning ALL rental evictions to year's end. Do you all remember when I predicted back in March this rental forebearance and eviction bans would take on a life of their own.

CDC doesn't have that legal power, it is a state right granted (or not) in the state's constitution. Unfortunately even republican governors are doing it. DeSantis - don't even get me started with what my husband calls him - is destroying Florida by leaps and bounds by extending the eviction moratorium until Oct 1. There are some exceptions but try getting a Sheriff to execute the Writ of Possession.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Landlords will not put any money into upkeep of properties either . Will not pay properly taxes. This has real ramifications for the future.

1. CDC does not have the legal authority to do this.
2. Landlords are still held to the letter of the law on maintenance of the properties.
3. We are considering withholding property taxes for one year and I know other landlords are considering doing the same, or being forced to do the same. In Florida you have 1 to 2 years before they can put the property up for tax certificates and even then the owner has a fair amount of time to redeem the property.
4. If the utilities don't get paid then the tenant will either have to get the utilities in their name on their own (requires a good security deposit) or just go without. Too bad too sad for them. Only a few of our units do we pay for water that is included in the lease agreement. Hubby and I are sending notices this month that we will no longer help tenants by having the utilities in our name ... time for them to pull up their big boy and girl panties and do it on their ownsome if they do not pay their rent in full and on time as well as whatever utilities we are carrying on their behalf as a favor.
5. We are already "in talks" with the tax collector's office and the property appraiser to let them know exactly what their failure to protect property owners in this county is going to cost them and the State. They didn't stand up for us - oh ye who pay their bills - so they can just suck it and start laying off people and downsizing their wants like the rest of the country.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Election and election aftermath are what's behind this. Note that Inaug Day isn't anywhere soon enough after the last day of this moratorium to get people evicted in numbers. Enough people are going to go nuts enough with the election that we DON'T need millions of first- time homeless added to Antifa ranks...
 

raven

TB Fanatic
this is going to create massive inflation.
average rent in the US is $1000/month.
that is an extra $1000 in disposable income.
over 4 months, $4000 that will come due on Jan 1 plus another $1000 for January.
people who can't pay their rent for the next 4 months are not going to have $5000 to pay rent on January 1.

now factor in the last 3 months they haven't paid rent.

and you know, the government will figure out a way to forgive that payment.
 

BornFree

Came This Far
This is an unconstitutional grab of a persons right to their property. As much as I like Trump for a lot of the things he has done- Then we have things like this. Trump will let this happen. Probably wants it to happen. He will not try and stop it. And that scares the crap out of me when it comes to Trump. Because he aligns with the far left when he allows this stuff.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Days after the CDC comes clean and states only 9210 people have died directly from covid. All the rest had co morbidity issues? And likely in the process of dieing due to old age.

I've also noticed the media is totally ignoring the ramifications due to the inflated lies of dieing with not from covid.

This action is another direct attack on the citizens, the middle class, property owners.

In your face totalitarianism. Coming from the same CDC that bused sick people all over the US from Mexico. End result, third world diseases running rampant in many areas.

Would not want to work for them, knowing how retribution works.
 

Sicario

The Executor
this is going to create massive inflation.
average rent in the US is $1000/month.
that is an extra $1000 in disposable income.
over 4 months, $4000 that will come due on Jan 1 plus another $1000 for January.
people who can't pay their rent for the next 4 months are not going to have $5000 to pay rent on January 1.

now factor in the last 3 months they haven't paid rent.

and you know, the government will figure out a way to forgive that payment.
The only answer will be a global Jubilee.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
this is going to create massive inflation.
average rent in the US is $1000/month.
that is an extra $1000 in disposable income.
over 4 months, $4000 that will come due on Jan 1 plus another $1000 for January.
people who can't pay their rent for the next 4 months are not going to have $5000 to pay rent on January 1.

now factor in the last 3 months they haven't paid rent.

and you know, the government will figure out a way to forgive that payment.
Except, over 100 million people have MASSIVELY lower income since February. I figure that the inflationary effect will be under half of what you described.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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this is going to create massive inflation.
average rent in the US is $1000/month.
that is an extra $1000 in disposable income.
over 4 months, $4000 that will come due on Jan 1 plus another $1000 for January.
people who can't pay their rent for the next 4 months are not going to have $5000 to pay rent on January 1.

now factor in the last 3 months they haven't paid rent.

and you know, the government will figure out a way to forgive that payment.

The problem is most people are still finding a way to pay their rent/mortgage, that makes those who don't/can't suspect. I know for a fact those that are not paying on time now (of our tenants) are tenants that have had the same issue prior to covid. I know for a fact, those of our tenants that received the federal stimulation checks did not use them to pay rent due. I know for a fact, that those of our tenants that received unemployment did not use it to pay their rent because some of them were double dipping.

Our Sep and Oct are going to ludicrously busy working move outs and move ins. I'm going to post a sign on our trucks that says Insanity Reigns.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Landlords will not put any money into upkeep of properties either . Will not pay properly taxes. This has real ramifications for the future.

was it Cardinal or Mountain that said awhile back . . . "MORE MORE MORE; FASTER and FASTER" . . . I'm joining that - jumping on the bandwagon. lets get on with the complete and utter devastation of our constitution, economy, nation and individual responsibilities so we can be plantation salves for the likes of Gates, Soros and the Rothschild scum
 

John Deere Girl

Veteran Member
We have a friend and also a family member who own a substantial amount of rentals, and they have nice places they rent. This will impact them and their families significantly. This sucks, because very few people really lost income. It's not that they can't pay, it's they won't because they blew their money on crap. How does the CDC have the power to even mandate this? Pretty sure they don't.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
My 82 year old father lives in a 4 plex - he rents 3 of them out and lives in the 4th.

The rent is his income...

All the near dead beats need to hear is this from the CDC, and I doubt most of my dad’s tenets would pay their rent!

So, what should he do?

Well, in the past, landlords hired big, mean, violent men to collect their rent or the dead beat suffered.

You may think that’s not kind, and I’m not saying anyone should, but I’m just saying...

Look to the mob...you don’t borrow their money and not pay it back in some way!
 

Teeja

On the Beach
Real simple. If local law enforcement refuses to enforce a legal eviction notice, then landlords with an AR team should step into the gap and take action. That would essentially be a WROL situation, whereupon armed citizens are the only ones left to enforce the laws.

It's all part of CW2.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
So the CDC has the authority do do this? Just doesn’t seem right. What about mortgages?
Since the 1940s, I think this particular one goes back to Polio but I'm not sure the reasoning (but a US-based broadcast just mentioned I this particular one was 1940s).

I did mention off an on for the last 20 years I've been on the board that Americans were going to be "shocked" the next time there was an epidemic contagious disease when they found out just how much power the County, State, and Federal health agencies have under the old laws; some of which date back as far as the late 19th/early 20th century.

I can't even remember all of them, but I remember being shocked in the late 1970s helping my then best friend study for her degree in "public health."

The problem is that after Polio, most epidemic diseases were forgotten as "life-style, environmental and genetic" diseases took center sage when vaccinations, clean water, and even other basic hygiene put aside most of the great killers of the past, at least in most situations in the USA.

That helped lead to seeing disease and illness as "blame the victim, something our ancestors who saw disease as something that came "as a thief in the night" would have found fairly insane - yes they knew that being stupid could get your hurt or killed but most diseases were something poorly understood, could come on quickly and kill off family members in a matter of hours when plagues came to town.

They understood that drastic measures often had to be taken immediately if not sooner, to try to stop their spread - not everything they did worked, but quarantines, shutdowns, masks, soap, and water, closing schools-theaters-churches-shops pretty much everything was pretty common.

So was rounding up sick people and hauling them off to tent "hospitals" or "TB" centers, people who didn't comply could be essentially taken anyway or even locked up for life (think Typhoid Mary).

Perhaps this time when everything is "over" the laws will be reviewed instead of just being left on the books for the next government to use in a real, imagined, or even trumped-up health crisis?

We can hope so, but I have a hard time seeing these laws being revoked without a massive public backlash, they are simply too useful to any government local, State or Federal that wants to clamp down on something.
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
CDC doesn't have that legal power, it is a state right granted (or not) in the state's constitution. Unfortunately even republican governors are doing it. DeSantis - don't even get me started with what my husband calls him - is destroying Florida by leaps and bounds by extending the eviction moratorium until Oct 1. There are some exceptions but try getting a Sheriff to execute the Writ of Possession.
Yes, DeSantis is not doing landlords, or mortgage institutions any favors by kicking this can down the road. This, plus the way tenants like to destroy what is not theirs, is why I do Airbnb with my units.
 
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