Freeholder
This too shall pass.
Susan, how much house lot do you have? Because even a small balcony or patio can grow quite a bit of food (mostly greens, to supplement stored staples such as rice and beans).
Kathleen
EBOLA Can you AFFORD to Shelter In Place? (Mortgage/rent/bills etc.)
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Susan, how much house lot do you have? Because even a small balcony or patio can grow quite a bit of food (mostly greens, to supplement stored staples such as rice and beans).
Kathleen
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
That's what I'm thinking, also, that this is likely to turn into a long-term problem. The wild card here is the government -- what are they going to do along the way? They can easily turn a survivable issue into a Pol Pot scenario or a Holodomor.
Kathleen
We're set everything is paid for even the cars and seeing how we do the mini farm thing and grow our own food and living with the ability to take a steep back to late 19 century living we could hold out for some time without ever leaving the property.
The wife and her job is the biggest problem we're facing and with working in a hospital she could find her self being told she cannot go home (lock down and quarantined) but must stay on the job site until further notice and with this Ebola thing that could be months and maybe even a year before we see her again.
The wife and her job is the biggest problem we're facing and with working in a hospital she could find her self being told she cannot go home (lock down and quarantined) but must stay on the job site until further notice and with this Ebola thing that could be months and maybe even a year before we see her again.
ssbn sailor
Senior Member
Couldn't agree more! I still have teenagers in the house, and one that can eat eat enough to rival a hippopotamus. I just hope that somewhere, someone in the Gov exhibits a little common sense, but I dont think that is going to happen. I figure my best helping hand is right at the end of my arm..LOL
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
No, but at least there isn't a mortgage on the family farm. I have plenty of student loans an unsecured debt (ie credit cards - new septic system, tractor repair, etc.) that I will have no way of paying. But my credit score isn't worth my life.
I think I can eak out enough to keep the lights on and the internet going through the winter without working in public schools like I usually do. Thank goodness there is plenty of food and firewood here already.
I think I can eak out enough to keep the lights on and the internet going through the winter without working in public schools like I usually do. Thank goodness there is plenty of food and firewood here already.
hardrock
Veteran Member
Did pretty much the same thing. It started for me in 1994 when I made a lot of money. Now, I too am in the lower income bracket, and have more money to spend than I ever had before.
Michigan Majik
FreeSpirit, with attitude
Yes if it was just myself, SO, and the dogs. My only bills are utilities and internet. Taxes are paid up at least a year in advance. We have preps and savings...
However.... As part of my job I provide staffing and care for four disabled people. If staff didn't show up it would be up to me.
I agonize over this....
However.... As part of my job I provide staffing and care for four disabled people. If staff didn't show up it would be up to me.
I agonize over this....
Gen4 Texan
Member
Yes. This may be the event/scenario that we have prepared for since the Y2K drill.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not really. If get gig again (could happen as soon as this week), on the road living in an apartment where they are paying for it AND my salary, IF I am working every day...
Trainman-2
Membership Revoked
It all depends on the reason for the "Shelter In Place!"
If it is for a pandemic and all normal government functions continue then we will be fine.
If it is a SHTF scenario, and government functions cease (payment of retirements, social security, welfare, etc.) then I expect everything to grind to a halt.
The Post Office will shut down so banks cannot send out bills and debtors cannot mail in checks then the banks will be overwhelmed with non payments they will not be able to do anything about. Telephones will go down and the internet will go down and those nasty bill collectors will be out of a job.
States, Counties, and Cities will not be able to pay Police or Fire personnel. Government personnel at all levels will stop going to work. Government services such as water & sewer will cease.
Electric service will go down, Gas stations will close, supermarkets will close, hospitals will close.
We will all be truly "on our own!"
If it is for a pandemic and all normal government functions continue then we will be fine.
If it is a SHTF scenario, and government functions cease (payment of retirements, social security, welfare, etc.) then I expect everything to grind to a halt.
The Post Office will shut down so banks cannot send out bills and debtors cannot mail in checks then the banks will be overwhelmed with non payments they will not be able to do anything about. Telephones will go down and the internet will go down and those nasty bill collectors will be out of a job.
States, Counties, and Cities will not be able to pay Police or Fire personnel. Government personnel at all levels will stop going to work. Government services such as water & sewer will cease.
Electric service will go down, Gas stations will close, supermarkets will close, hospitals will close.
We will all be truly "on our own!"
Milk-maid
Girls with Guns Member
We could.
At some point they will probably come take the SUV that has a loan on it, but everything else is totally paid off.
We have other cars that we own outright so I'm not worried...besides where am I going when I'm self-quarantining?
The house is paid off and we have needed supplies and have no reason to go out save a major accident or heart attack.
If after 6 months the chickens run out of feed, then I will have to go out and get more...however, I am considering getting more feed in the next week or so.
I'll always have fresh eggs. With 5 new young hens this season, I will have eggs all winter.
they can cut the electric for non-payment, but I have other means to keep the lights on indefinitely... as well as heat the house.
I feel like we've done just about everything we can do short of moving to a self-sufficient island.
Tennessee gal
Veteran Member
I sure wish our county and city property taxes could be paid several years in advance.
Depending on how long, we could last a considerable amount of time before we had to venture out to find food. We are not prepped to the gills like some folks, but we do have the skills and knowledge to make what we have work.
I don't see the whole SHTF total collapse anytime soon because of Ebola. It very well may happen but not next week or next month.
What worries me more in the short term is if the Grand Jury releases a No Bill for the indictment of Darren Wilson. I would not want to be any where near a city of any size when that happens.
I don't see the whole SHTF total collapse anytime soon because of Ebola. It very well may happen but not next week or next month.
What worries me more in the short term is if the Grand Jury releases a No Bill for the indictment of Darren Wilson. I would not want to be any where near a city of any size when that happens.
Yes.
Been working on being debt free and disconnected from a need for income as much as possible for most of my life. My wife kept us broke for many years then I finally got her on board.
We started living off of her income (the smaller of our incomes) only and paying things off with my income about 15 years ago. That way if one of us were to be disabled we still had a chance to keep things together by being used to only living off one income. Got things paid off and still live only off her income. She does work from home on the computer so as long as things are somewhat normal we can stay home and do just fine. So yes we can make it here under the right circumstances. Even without her work at home income she has a reasonable retirement income from a state job she worked. It would cover our bills even if she had no work with her work at home job.
We are by no means rich. I know that sounds crazy of me to say. Let me explain. We started with nothing. She blew every dime either of us made for 15 years and had us deep in debt. When she finally saw the light and started living life my way we made huge strides in no time. We both worked many many long days and weeks to get here.
Most could be in better shape if they just learn to live by their means.
In addition my son and his wife would be moving in with us if things get bad. They have a good bit of preps and she has many old time skills like canning, cooking from scratch (excellent meals) and many other things. we all get along very well and spend most of our off work hours together already. If it can be done I think we are set as anyone to make it.
We all have the ability to defend ourselves as well. We all spend time weekly working out to keep in good shape.
ETA: of course if the financial system crashes then its anybodies guess what could happen and all the resources in the world may not be able to save you.
Been working on being debt free and disconnected from a need for income as much as possible for most of my life. My wife kept us broke for many years then I finally got her on board.
We started living off of her income (the smaller of our incomes) only and paying things off with my income about 15 years ago. That way if one of us were to be disabled we still had a chance to keep things together by being used to only living off one income. Got things paid off and still live only off her income. She does work from home on the computer so as long as things are somewhat normal we can stay home and do just fine. So yes we can make it here under the right circumstances. Even without her work at home income she has a reasonable retirement income from a state job she worked. It would cover our bills even if she had no work with her work at home job.
We are by no means rich. I know that sounds crazy of me to say. Let me explain. We started with nothing. She blew every dime either of us made for 15 years and had us deep in debt. When she finally saw the light and started living life my way we made huge strides in no time. We both worked many many long days and weeks to get here.
Most could be in better shape if they just learn to live by their means.
In addition my son and his wife would be moving in with us if things get bad. They have a good bit of preps and she has many old time skills like canning, cooking from scratch (excellent meals) and many other things. we all get along very well and spend most of our off work hours together already. If it can be done I think we are set as anyone to make it.
We all have the ability to defend ourselves as well. We all spend time weekly working out to keep in good shape.
ETA: of course if the financial system crashes then its anybodies guess what could happen and all the resources in the world may not be able to save you.
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Put your mind at ease over this. Most people don't even know Ebola is in the US. I know that seems weird to us, but half our country actively avoids news like that.. or any news. My husband went in for a procedure the other day and it took a few hours. He chatted with nurses, and his doctor. Not one of them knew it was here, and they didn't care. The doctor said, 'oh yeah, that african disease'. But none of them had any interest in the ebola news. If this spreads like crazy, they will stay at their jobs because truly, they cannot handle the truth.
Milk-maid
Girls with Guns Member
But they are the ones who will present the danger because they are not going to go the extra step to be cautious.
they'll spread it around.
dimensiondancer
Inactive
Yes, no maybe... How long?
Will banks, gov.. soc. sec., city still be in working order, will my retirement funds still be ok, stock market, water dept. electric?
Small questions. If you have these answers then let's talk. Then it's no. Otherwise, yes.
Will banks, gov.. soc. sec., city still be in working order, will my retirement funds still be ok, stock market, water dept. electric?
Small questions. If you have these answers then let's talk. Then it's no. Otherwise, yes.
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
We are very blessed that DH & I both work from home, so I think we'd be ok for awhile.
- you run out of water / water gets turned off
In Florida if you did down a few feet you will find water. I have a spring fed lake 1 mile from my home. I have a couple of water barrels, some 7 gallon aquatainers, a Big Berkey and a couple of portable filters. Get some kind of large storage container at home so you don't need to go get water every day. A few 7 gallon containers will allow you to go to any public water source such as a spring, a lake or even a faucet in a park to get water.
- you run out of consumable food
With rice and beans and wheat , sugar and salt, and other basic long term storage foods being so cheap, there is no reason why even folks on a very limited budget can't have a years worth of food stored at home.
- you run out of heat / heat gets turned off
Living in Florida there are many years when my heat is never turned on. In southern areas of the US one can get by with only occasional heat in the winter. Small wood stove or other heat source is usually sufficient. Up North, wood can work, but it's hard work and if you can't do it you are screwed. A small rocket stove that burns twigs, even a home built one, will allow you to boil water and cook without electricity.
- you get forcibly evicted
If you own your own home this isn't a worry.
If you don't, people are still unlikely to get evicted if SHTF truly happens. With little or no prospects of selling or renting an empty home and high prospects of getting it vandalized, a lot of landlords would prefer to keep the house occupied instead of empty.
- you get raided by zombies / looters
Not a lot of gangs running around if everybody is afraid of getting Ebola from everybody else.
Ferfal talked about economic collapse in Argentina. Home invasions by gangs was mainly a problem out in the isolated country where nobody could help the people attacked. The problem in cities was robbery on the street and kidnapping for ransom. You aren't going to travel around town with a rifle or shotgun because the police or military will stop you, but nobody sees a pistol.
Besides, in real shtf, most people aren't going to be running around. They will be at home unless they are fortunate to still have a job or there is a damn good reason for going out.
Terry: Diabetics can't eat rice, beans, wheat, and sugar.
With 33% of the population either Type 2 or pre-diabetic, I think this is an important point to keep in mind.
Artie.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
Is the perfect storm brewing...? It could be. The perpetuated invitation through intercontinental air travel allowing a virus a free gratis pass into CON-US has little (((pings))) going through the markets. It's still too early for con$eritive thinking markets to panic. Instead we will notice consecutive shudders as the [SQUARING WAVES OF INFECTION] become evident abroad. Level IV facilities are all that can turn it around. There are how many beds here rated that high? Level II facilities are nothing more than a vector to a incorporated Petri dish with multiple host going in-patient out-patient.
Initial fear is a healthy stimulation to market consumption and is predictable. At the point where the fear turns to a panic... Well that is unpredictable, and results in first loss of man power, and then potentially infrastructure degradation. (((This is what panics markets))).
To answer the question:
I'm trimming the sails, lashing down what I have and trimming the hull for stability of any uncertain market. My One to two year plan will be flexible in my favor the best I can. I've stepped into this commitment within the last couple months.
Initial fear is a healthy stimulation to market consumption and is predictable. At the point where the fear turns to a panic... Well that is unpredictable, and results in first loss of man power, and then potentially infrastructure degradation. (((This is what panics markets))).
To answer the question:
I'm trimming the sails, lashing down what I have and trimming the hull for stability of any uncertain market. My One to two year plan will be flexible in my favor the best I can. I've stepped into this commitment within the last couple months.
Be Well
may all be well
I think you're being just a tad extreme there...
eXe
Techno Junkie
Pretty much the same thing here. I work part time in a gun shop, so that would have to fall by the wayside, but it would not kill us at all..
The upside is that my bank now has free check deposit by phone, so now for the clients that send us checks, we can put them in the bank without even leaving home.
For those of you worried sick over mortgage and utilities I hope this helps. When our lives were destroyed by multiple hurricanes the federal government very strongly suggested that mortgage lenders defer 3 months of mortgages, interest free, which would be applied to the loan at the end. They all did and this was a tremendous relief to many people in our area. Utilities were NOT allowed to be cut off for any reason and past due balances on utilities were divided up over a 6 month period IIRC, payable with each normal monthly payment to help people out. The only one that did not offer any help was Bell South Telephone and to this day 80% of this area will not do business with them. People like me who had no home for months were being asked to put up a new deposit as a new customer although I'd been with them for 27 years with an excellent payment history. They claimed that any time service is disconnected for 30 days or more you had to start over as a new customer. Well I don't think that their choices of screwing people worked out so well for them. BTW, my lender was BOA so yes, even the big kids played nice during our time of need. I would suggest that you have food, meds and cleaning supplies to take care of yourself and your family first and foremost. The damned bills will be there when this is over I PROMISE.
Dimensiondancer, I think we have to plan on there being no help at all from outside sources. No government checks, no food, no meds, no water, electricity or... anything. All we'll have is what we've stored in our basements and between our ears.
If we plan for that then we're covered, even if the situation doesn't become dire.
Personally, I don't think the Ebola virus is going to 'run' this kind of course, but it could, so in light of that fact we need to be as prepared as possible. Do you have the knowledge and skill to build a rudimentary shelter 'out in the boonies'? Can you fish, hunt, dry and store meat, and process animal skins etc.?
There are many books available to teach you survival skills, but just buying an SAS book will walk you through most of the biggies.
What happened to the Scotch Broth Mix that people used to store? I remember that from rollover because we bought some of it too - and it's good - and it's cheap. 'Course, we can't eat that now that we're diabetic, but I'm pretty sure the recipe would be in the archives here somewhere. (Dennis, Kris, - remember that???)
I'm expecting to co-exist with Ebola on the N. American continent for at least three years. If I die during that time, it'll be because I don't have the meds I need, but other than that, I know how to live in the wilderness, as do many here who don't have a lot of money.
Hope this helps.
Artie.
I am a type II diabetic and yes I can eat rice and beans to the cows come home
It's not the best thing for you, but who in the hell expects an optimum diet if shtf??
By the way perhaps you should store up some protein powder. No carbs, pure protein and stores for at least 5 years.
I have a couple of cases stored and I use it regularly as a meal substitute for one meal a day and will use it come shtf.
Also, canned chicken and tuna last for at least 5 years also and again have 0 carbs. Both readily available now.
Jeesh it seems like you are looking for reasons why you can't survive instead of obvious solutions to how you can.
Artie:
Most serious survivalists discount the theory of people taking to the woods to survive.
For most it is just a dream and would be impossible for any extended length of time.
Another factor they bring up is that it wouldn't just be you in the woods. It would likely be several million others trying to make a go of it.
Basically going out for a week or two is not the same as surviving in the wild permanently.
Oh and here is your recipe for Scotch Broth, but I thought you were concerned about being diabetic. Anyway, It is a very simple way to put together a years supply at minimal expense. Most people I know that did it for Y2K made smaller batches. You can change the proportions of the various ingredients to suit your taste or dietary requirements.
http://baconandeggs-scifichick.blogspot.com/2011/03/one-year-supply-of-food-storage-under.html
One Year Supply of Food Storage Under $300
A years worth of food storage for under $300! Yes, you read that right. How does expanding your food storage with literally hundreds of meals for around $300 sound? I think I may have found one of the best kept secrets around for pumping your food storage up REAL FAST and REAL CHEAP.
Scotch Broth is is a combination of grains and legumes and it provides a balanced and nutritious meal on the cheap! "This particular combination is said to provide a balance of ALL of the appropriate amino acids required for a person."
This is really easy recipe to "change" in countless ways.By adding left over meats or vegetables or adding dried vegetables to the mix you could totally change it up. It wouldn't have to be "the same ol' thing either!
The following is an excerpt from the forums at Timebomb2k. This recipe has been floating around the internet for several years but I don't think it has gotten nearly enough attention.
This is what you will need
4 x 22lb (or 10kg) rice. (Any kind will do).
2 x 11lb (or 5kg) kidney beans
2 x 11lb (or 5kg) barley
2 x 11lb (or 5kg) lentils (yellow)
1 x 5.5lb (or 2.5kg) green split peas
1 x 5.5lb (or2.5 kg) chick peas (garbanzo beans)"
( You will also need a total of 30 pounds of bouillon. You will add it to each batch as you cook it. I think I will store both chicken AND beef bouillon. I added this into the cost and it IS reflected in the $300.)
"Method:
Put the rice in a mixing container.Then add each of the other ingredients 5kg at a time, mixing as you go. (Use surgical gloves or you'll have no nails left, LOL!).
When you have all the other ingredients mixed in with the first two bags of rice, add the last two bags of rice and *REALLY* mix well or you'll get all rice on the bottom of your mixture."
"MAKING SOUP.
Take 16oz of the dry mixture and put in about 6-7 quarts of water (with a nut of butter or a tsp. of olive oil to prevent soup boiling over) and add 3 tablespoons (or to taste) of powdered soup stock. We like to use chicken stock.
Then add any veggies, meat, & seasoning you like (if available). (We like to also put in lots of garlic) (DO NOT USE ONIONS - they'll spoil the mixture).
Bring to a boil and let simmer for two hours and you have enough soup for two days for 4 people.
On the second day you'll need to add some more water (it thickens in the fridge overnight) and another tablespoon of stock. Make sure to boil for at least 10 minutes the second day to kill off any potential bacteria, - especially if you are not storing in fridge, but just in a root cellar or like that in the event of no electricity in summer.
We make our own bread and have a thick slice fer dunkin' with a large bowl of this delicious soup and it serves as a main meal. You are FULL after just one (large size) bowl of this stuff.
Kids will usually only be able to eat half a bowl w/bread, or a small bowl, whichever you prefer. Adults will likely want a nice big bowl.
If there is any mixture left on the third day, just add the new mixture to it. You will need less of course, but you'll get to know how to gauge things as you go along catering to the requirements of your own little family."
"ONIONS>>>Re: onions... They ferment too quickly, and cut down the amount of time you can safely store already cooked soup.
Assuming there are no refrigerators etc., it's best to err on the side of caution and not use them in the soup. If you want to waste fuel and make your soup daily, then onions aren't a problem.
We LOVE onions in our house, and cook them by wrapping them in tinfoil, and putting them in the ever-burning wood stove for an hour. We put in some potatoes too usually, and have a meal of tatties & onions. They taste wonderful prepared in this way, particularly if you add a little butter or olive oil and some herbs when you take them out of the fire. This and some greens is all you need to exist except for vitamin B12.
The recipe calls for the following ingredients by weight
88 pound(s) or 40 kilogram(s) rice
22 pound(s) or 10 kilogram(s) kidney beans
22 pound(s) or 10 kilogram(s) barley
22 pound(s) or 10 kilogram(s) lentils, yellow
5.50 pound(s) or 05 kilogram(s) green split peas
5.50 pound(s) or 05 kilogram(s) chick peas
165 pound(s) or 80 kilogram(s) Total weight
These parts are converted (by weight) as follows to arrive at one pound of broth.
08 ounce(s) rice
02 ounce(s) red kidney beans
02 ounce(s) pearl barley
02 ounce(s) lentils (yellow)
01 ounce(s) green split peas
01 ounce(s) chick peas (Garbanzos)
16 ounce(s) Total Food"
Along with the basic recipe there are also other suggestions to make this truly an excellent source for your long term food storage. One thought that I had was that this would be a good way to have some "charitable" foods on hand. You could package it into smaller containers (1 or 2 pounds) and have a few meals on hand for the less fortunate. Another idea would be to make up a batch and dehydrate it. You would have a fast and tasty "Instant Soup".
If you were to do this over 12 pay-days, and if you are paid weekly, - you would have a10-year food supply in just 3 months. What a super way to "pump up" your food storage!
Most serious survivalists discount the theory of people taking to the woods to survive.
For most it is just a dream and would be impossible for any extended length of time.
Another factor they bring up is that it wouldn't just be you in the woods. It would likely be several million others trying to make a go of it.
Basically going out for a week or two is not the same as surviving in the wild permanently.
Oh and here is your recipe for Scotch Broth, but I thought you were concerned about being diabetic. Anyway, It is a very simple way to put together a years supply at minimal expense. Most people I know that did it for Y2K made smaller batches. You can change the proportions of the various ingredients to suit your taste or dietary requirements.
http://baconandeggs-scifichick.blogspot.com/2011/03/one-year-supply-of-food-storage-under.html
One Year Supply of Food Storage Under $300
A years worth of food storage for under $300! Yes, you read that right. How does expanding your food storage with literally hundreds of meals for around $300 sound? I think I may have found one of the best kept secrets around for pumping your food storage up REAL FAST and REAL CHEAP.
Scotch Broth is is a combination of grains and legumes and it provides a balanced and nutritious meal on the cheap! "This particular combination is said to provide a balance of ALL of the appropriate amino acids required for a person."
This is really easy recipe to "change" in countless ways.By adding left over meats or vegetables or adding dried vegetables to the mix you could totally change it up. It wouldn't have to be "the same ol' thing either!
The following is an excerpt from the forums at Timebomb2k. This recipe has been floating around the internet for several years but I don't think it has gotten nearly enough attention.
This is what you will need
4 x 22lb (or 10kg) rice. (Any kind will do).
2 x 11lb (or 5kg) kidney beans
2 x 11lb (or 5kg) barley
2 x 11lb (or 5kg) lentils (yellow)
1 x 5.5lb (or 2.5kg) green split peas
1 x 5.5lb (or2.5 kg) chick peas (garbanzo beans)"
( You will also need a total of 30 pounds of bouillon. You will add it to each batch as you cook it. I think I will store both chicken AND beef bouillon. I added this into the cost and it IS reflected in the $300.)
"Method:
Put the rice in a mixing container.Then add each of the other ingredients 5kg at a time, mixing as you go. (Use surgical gloves or you'll have no nails left, LOL!).
When you have all the other ingredients mixed in with the first two bags of rice, add the last two bags of rice and *REALLY* mix well or you'll get all rice on the bottom of your mixture."
"MAKING SOUP.
Take 16oz of the dry mixture and put in about 6-7 quarts of water (with a nut of butter or a tsp. of olive oil to prevent soup boiling over) and add 3 tablespoons (or to taste) of powdered soup stock. We like to use chicken stock.
Then add any veggies, meat, & seasoning you like (if available). (We like to also put in lots of garlic) (DO NOT USE ONIONS - they'll spoil the mixture).
Bring to a boil and let simmer for two hours and you have enough soup for two days for 4 people.
On the second day you'll need to add some more water (it thickens in the fridge overnight) and another tablespoon of stock. Make sure to boil for at least 10 minutes the second day to kill off any potential bacteria, - especially if you are not storing in fridge, but just in a root cellar or like that in the event of no electricity in summer.
We make our own bread and have a thick slice fer dunkin' with a large bowl of this delicious soup and it serves as a main meal. You are FULL after just one (large size) bowl of this stuff.
Kids will usually only be able to eat half a bowl w/bread, or a small bowl, whichever you prefer. Adults will likely want a nice big bowl.
If there is any mixture left on the third day, just add the new mixture to it. You will need less of course, but you'll get to know how to gauge things as you go along catering to the requirements of your own little family."
"ONIONS>>>Re: onions... They ferment too quickly, and cut down the amount of time you can safely store already cooked soup.
Assuming there are no refrigerators etc., it's best to err on the side of caution and not use them in the soup. If you want to waste fuel and make your soup daily, then onions aren't a problem.
We LOVE onions in our house, and cook them by wrapping them in tinfoil, and putting them in the ever-burning wood stove for an hour. We put in some potatoes too usually, and have a meal of tatties & onions. They taste wonderful prepared in this way, particularly if you add a little butter or olive oil and some herbs when you take them out of the fire. This and some greens is all you need to exist except for vitamin B12.
The recipe calls for the following ingredients by weight
88 pound(s) or 40 kilogram(s) rice
22 pound(s) or 10 kilogram(s) kidney beans
22 pound(s) or 10 kilogram(s) barley
22 pound(s) or 10 kilogram(s) lentils, yellow
5.50 pound(s) or 05 kilogram(s) green split peas
5.50 pound(s) or 05 kilogram(s) chick peas
165 pound(s) or 80 kilogram(s) Total weight
These parts are converted (by weight) as follows to arrive at one pound of broth.
08 ounce(s) rice
02 ounce(s) red kidney beans
02 ounce(s) pearl barley
02 ounce(s) lentils (yellow)
01 ounce(s) green split peas
01 ounce(s) chick peas (Garbanzos)
16 ounce(s) Total Food"
Along with the basic recipe there are also other suggestions to make this truly an excellent source for your long term food storage. One thought that I had was that this would be a good way to have some "charitable" foods on hand. You could package it into smaller containers (1 or 2 pounds) and have a few meals on hand for the less fortunate. Another idea would be to make up a batch and dehydrate it. You would have a fast and tasty "Instant Soup".
If you were to do this over 12 pay-days, and if you are paid weekly, - you would have a10-year food supply in just 3 months. What a super way to "pump up" your food storage!
PyratePrincess
Deceased
Very informative thread, thank you. My short answer would be yes, for about a year if things continue more or less the same as they are now.
One thing I'll throw out there for consideration: You never know when life can throw a series of game changers at you that you couldn't possibly prepare for. In 2007 I owned my own business (having worked in a highly paid corp position for 21 years) had my home and 2nd home paid for, strong income coming in from multiple streams, almost 500k in the bank, a high 700 credit score, married, kiddos grown, not too old (hadn't hit 50, lol) happy and healthy.
That ALL went away (except the happy and the kids) in just 12 months.
Cancer, the market collapse of 2008 and a husband who couldn't deal with his wife who was labeled "terminal" (he may have baled a little early, lol) took almost everything. Just. Like. That.
So, 7 years later, I'm starting over...a little shell shocked no doubt...but the lesson I got (and am still getting) is that I think the very BEST prep we can work towards is
flexibility.
We take what precautions are prudent to stay out of harms way, but we also have to recognize that sometimes, despite our best plans....stuff happens. I'm looking for ideas on work I can do largely from home to rebuild (and anyone out there with ideas feel FREE to send 'em my way!!) ..but recognize that sometimes it's not a storm you're facing-it's a 100 foot high tsunami, and the only thing you can do is try to get out of the way and figure out how to adapt later.
One thing I'll throw out there for consideration: You never know when life can throw a series of game changers at you that you couldn't possibly prepare for. In 2007 I owned my own business (having worked in a highly paid corp position for 21 years) had my home and 2nd home paid for, strong income coming in from multiple streams, almost 500k in the bank, a high 700 credit score, married, kiddos grown, not too old (hadn't hit 50, lol) happy and healthy.
That ALL went away (except the happy and the kids) in just 12 months.
Cancer, the market collapse of 2008 and a husband who couldn't deal with his wife who was labeled "terminal" (he may have baled a little early, lol) took almost everything. Just. Like. That.
So, 7 years later, I'm starting over...a little shell shocked no doubt...but the lesson I got (and am still getting) is that I think the very BEST prep we can work towards is
flexibility.
We take what precautions are prudent to stay out of harms way, but we also have to recognize that sometimes, despite our best plans....stuff happens. I'm looking for ideas on work I can do largely from home to rebuild (and anyone out there with ideas feel FREE to send 'em my way!!) ..but recognize that sometimes it's not a storm you're facing-it's a 100 foot high tsunami, and the only thing you can do is try to get out of the way and figure out how to adapt later.
Yes, and no. Depends on the timeframe, and the scenario.
This disease seems likely to be more of a LONG slow burn. I think we will be living with this (possible hoax?) for years, if not decades, and that leaves plenty of time for more scares like resistant TB, MRSA, chikimunga (spell?), SuperFlu, and maybe monster mutant bed bugs. I'm actually not all that worried about catching Ebola.
Rather than a crisis, we may have just entered The Age of Pestillance. Pandemic "whatever" is a much better excuse for mass roundups and mass disappearances and kicking your door down, than mere political dissadence. Maybe, expect a long and dreary Soviet-like existence.
This disease seems likely to be more of a LONG slow burn. I think we will be living with this (possible hoax?) for years, if not decades, and that leaves plenty of time for more scares like resistant TB, MRSA, chikimunga (spell?), SuperFlu, and maybe monster mutant bed bugs. I'm actually not all that worried about catching Ebola.
Rather than a crisis, we may have just entered The Age of Pestillance. Pandemic "whatever" is a much better excuse for mass roundups and mass disappearances and kicking your door down, than mere political dissadence. Maybe, expect a long and dreary Soviet-like existence.
John Green
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Yes could probably shelter in place for about 90 days but beyond that it would be a struggle. The scary part is most others out there have probably never even thought about it.
Your right about most not having a clue but resent reports seem to indicate there is an uptick in people catching on and stock up while they can.
I and wife had a short discussion last nigh when she got home from work and I brought up this topic and we seem to agree we have enough and the supplies to keep going for some time, but the big worry is her work place and possibly being lock in it for weeks, months or a whole year before they would allow her to go home.
John Green
Veteran Member
This is true about more people becoming aware but I still think a large majority are not prepared and could not get $500 together in an emergency. Those are the one's who will cause trouble for us preppers.
There is an old saying from another generation of survivalists. I think the $700 dollar figure needs to be revised upwards a bit, but it sure is a catchy poem.
"There ain't many problems a man can't fix, with 700 dollars and a thirty ought six."
"Grandpa's Lesson."
Pappy took to drinkin' back when I was barely three.
Ma got pretty quiet. She was frettin', you could see.
So I was sent to Grandpa and he raised me up real good.
He taught me what I oughta and he taught me what I should.
I learned a heap 'o lessons from the yarns he liked to tell.
There's one I won't forget because I learned it 'speshly well.
There jist ain't many folk who live a peaceful, carefree life.
Along with all the good times there'll be lotsa grief and strife.
But there ain't many troubles that a man caint fix
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
Grandpa courted Grandma near the town of old Cheyenne.
Her daddy was cantankerous - a very greedy man.
He wouldn't give permission for a fancy wedding day
'Til grandpa paid a dowry - biggest ever people say.
Her daddy softened up when Grandpa said that he could fix
Him up with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six.
Grandpa herded cattle down around Jalisco way.
Ended up behind some iron bars one dusty day.
Seems the local jefe craved my Grandpa's pinto mare.
Grandpa wouldn't sell her so he lit on out of there.
Didn't take much doin' 'cept a couple special tricks
Plus seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six.
Then there was that Faro game near San Francisco Bay.
Grandpa's cards was smokin' hot and he took all one day.
He woke up nearly naked in a ditch next early morn'.
With nothin' but his flannel shirt, and it was ripped and torn.
Those others were professionals and they don't play for kicks.
He lost seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six.
He begged some woolen trousers off the local storekeep there
Who loaned him both a pony and a rifle on a dare.
He caught those thievin' cardsharks at another Faro game.
He got back all his property and also his good name.
He left one bleedin' badly and another mostly lame.
My Grandpa's trusty rifle shoots just where you choose to aim.
Grandpa's slowin' down a bit and just the other night
He handed me his rifle and a box sealed up real tight.
He fixed me with them pale grey eyes and this is what he said,
"You're awful young but steady too and I will soon be dead.
I'll bet this here old rifle and this honest money too
Will come in mighty handy just as readily for you.
There jist ain't many folk who lead a carefree peaceful life.
Along with times of happiness, there's always woe and strife.
But.....ain't many troubles that a man caint fix
with seven hundred dollars and his thirty ought six."
Lindy Cooper Wisdom
John Green
Veteran Member
Excellent !