jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
ok, so it appears to me we have a President-elect who may well be actually an illegal alien. where do we sign a petition to demand that he prove his natural born citizenship?
can we demand Obama prove his citizenship?
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Worrier King
Deceased
What do you base it on that Obama isn't qualified? 
bobfall2005
Veteran Member
Go ahead. It is not going to matter.
Its over,,,
bob
Worrier King
Deceased
I say there is no requirement. Under the dem/repub party, the constitution is irrelevant.
Worrier King
Deceased
I'd posted the following a couple time, but the partisans were to busy foaming at the mouth to pay attention:
"THIS WAS THEIR FIRST STEP
In April of this year, a number of Obama's congressional supporters - including Gov. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Senator Patrick Leahy (D- VT), Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and Sen. James Webb (D-VA) -proposed and passed a Resolution (S.Res.511) entitled: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen; {5 Democrats & 2 Republicans to insure that McCain could run as a natural-born American?}.
This was the Resolution:
· Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;
· Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
· Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;
· Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';
· Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders
· Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
· Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
· Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United Calendar No. 715110th CONGRESS2d Session S. RES. 511RESOLUTIONRecognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. April 24, 2008. Reported without amendment States.
Just how dumb do McCaskill and Obama & Co. think the American people are? Here they attempt to create a blanket Resolution that says ALL foreign-born candidates are eligible for the U.S. presidency, when in fact McCain did not need this Resolution and neither did Bill Richardson when he ran for president this year. In fact, to my knowledge no presidential nominee in American history has ever needed a Resolution of this kind until Obama - who has still not produced a valid birth certificate! - entered the race.
So why this weird Resolution? Clearly so Obama could circumvent the Constitution he finds so distasteful." (1)
Never has the evidence of a Duopoly been so clearly shown and at such a key moment in time; in order to insure that Obama would not be troubled by something as potentially lethal as Section One of Article Two of the US Constitution.
Why would four Democrats, plus Obama, want to insure that McCain was a natural-born citizen, when in theory his candidacy was something that they ought to have opposed? Hillary Clinton, Patrick Leahy, James Webb, Gov. Claire McCaskill and Barack Obama of all people wanted to insure that John McCain would be eligible to run?
What is now clearer than ever before is that the most powerful enemies of this country are in the government of this nation: and are not lurking somewhere in the mountains of some distant foreign land. If this "loophole" is cited as Obama's excuse for not producing his birth certificate then this Gang-of-Five plus One must all face indictments for this bit of blatant treachery that was obviously done to throw the presidential selection to Obama!
kirwanstudios@sbcglobal.net
"THIS WAS THEIR FIRST STEP
In April of this year, a number of Obama's congressional supporters - including Gov. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Senator Patrick Leahy (D- VT), Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and Sen. James Webb (D-VA) -proposed and passed a Resolution (S.Res.511) entitled: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen; {5 Democrats & 2 Republicans to insure that McCain could run as a natural-born American?}.
This was the Resolution:
· Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;
· Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
· Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;
· Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';
· Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders
· Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
· Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
· Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United Calendar No. 715110th CONGRESS2d Session S. RES. 511RESOLUTIONRecognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. April 24, 2008. Reported without amendment States.
Just how dumb do McCaskill and Obama & Co. think the American people are? Here they attempt to create a blanket Resolution that says ALL foreign-born candidates are eligible for the U.S. presidency, when in fact McCain did not need this Resolution and neither did Bill Richardson when he ran for president this year. In fact, to my knowledge no presidential nominee in American history has ever needed a Resolution of this kind until Obama - who has still not produced a valid birth certificate! - entered the race.
So why this weird Resolution? Clearly so Obama could circumvent the Constitution he finds so distasteful." (1)
Never has the evidence of a Duopoly been so clearly shown and at such a key moment in time; in order to insure that Obama would not be troubled by something as potentially lethal as Section One of Article Two of the US Constitution.
Why would four Democrats, plus Obama, want to insure that McCain was a natural-born citizen, when in theory his candidacy was something that they ought to have opposed? Hillary Clinton, Patrick Leahy, James Webb, Gov. Claire McCaskill and Barack Obama of all people wanted to insure that John McCain would be eligible to run?
What is now clearer than ever before is that the most powerful enemies of this country are in the government of this nation: and are not lurking somewhere in the mountains of some distant foreign land. If this "loophole" is cited as Obama's excuse for not producing his birth certificate then this Gang-of-Five plus One must all face indictments for this bit of blatant treachery that was obviously done to throw the presidential selection to Obama!
kirwanstudios@sbcglobal.net
mzkitty
I give up.
I was reading elsewhere this morning that the Supreme Court has given him until December 1 to respond to the lawsuit Berg brought. I believe I read that at TOL, but I'm at work and don't have time to go get it for you.
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Dex
Constitutional Patriot
O is not a US citizen, he was born in Kenya and registered in Hawaii and did not spend the required amount of years physically present in the US to qualify as a naturalized citizen and not only that but is a citizen of Indonesia which disqualifies him for any US citizenship. He can't be president because he is not an American. That is why he won't reveal his certificate because it say's born in Kenya on it.
That isn't going to matter because this whole thing was a setup and the communists have won. Welcome to the Peoples Republik of Amerika. McCarthy was right and Amerika has been taken over by a trojan. Wait and see. One of the first things he will do is reinstitute the draft.
That isn't going to matter because this whole thing was a setup and the communists have won. Welcome to the Peoples Republik of Amerika. McCarthy was right and Amerika has been taken over by a trojan. Wait and see. One of the first things he will do is reinstitute the draft.
Worrier King
Deceased
Worrier King
Deceased
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
An Open Letter to Barack Obama
found this posted tonite on freepers:
An Open Letter to Barack Obama
Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY
WTP Foundation ^
Posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 11:16:05 PM by Smokeyblue
An Open Letter to Barack Obama: (Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY the week of November 10, 2008)
Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?
Are you legally qualified to hold the Office of President?
Dear Mr. Obama:
On October 24, 2008, a federal judge granted your request to dismiss a lawsuit by Citizen Philip Berg, who challenged your qualifications under the “Natural Born Citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution to legally hold the office of President of the United States of America.
Mr. Berg presented factual evidence to the Court in support of his claim that you are either a citizen of your father’s native Kenya by birth, or that you became a citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing your prior citizenship when you moved there with your mother in 1967.
In your response to the lawsuit, you neither denied Mr. Berg’s claims nor submitted any evidence which would refute his assertions. Instead, you argued that the Court lacked the jurisdiction to determine the question of your legal eligibility because Mr. Berg lacked “standing.”
Astonishingly, the judge agreed, simply saying, “[Mr. Berg] would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary [sic] in living memory.”
Unfortunately, your response to the legal claim was clearly evasive and strikingly out of character, suggesting you may, in fact, lack a critical Constitutional qualification necessary to assume the Office of President: i.e., that you are not a “natural born” citizen of the United States or one who has relinquished his American citizenship.
Before you can exercise any of the powers of the United States, you must prove that you have fully satisfied each and every eligibility requirement that the Constitution mandates for any individual’s exercise of those powers.
Regardless of the tactics chosen in defending yourself against the Berg lawsuit, significant questions regarding your legal capacity to hold this nation’s highest office have been put forth publicly, and you have failed to directly refute them with documentary evidence that is routinely available to any bona fide, natural born U.S. Citizen.
As one who has ventured into the fray of public service of his own volition, seeking to possess the vast powers of the Office of President, it is not unreasonable to demand that you produce evidence of your citizenship to answer the questions and allay the concerns of the People. Indeed, as the one seeking the office, you are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence to establish your qualifications as explicitly mandated by Article II of the Constitution.
Should you proceed to assume the office of the President of the United States as anything but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States that has not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national disaster, placing our Republic at great risk from untold consequences. For example:
· Neither the Electoral College on December 15, nor the House of Representatives on January 6 would be able to elect you, except as a poseur - a usurper;
· As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” of office on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible for the Office of the President you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States;
· Your every act in the usurped Office of the President would be a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling you to no obedience whatsoever from the People;
· as a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;
· No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;
· Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;
· Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID;
· As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.
As an attorney and sitting U.S. Senator, I’m sure you agree that our Constitution is the cornerstone of our system of governance. It is the very foundation of our system of Law and Order – indeed, it is the supreme law of the land. I’m sure you also agree that its precise language was no accident and cannot be ignored if Individual, unalienable, natural Rights, Freedoms and Liberties are to be protected and preserved.
As our next potential President, you have a high-order obligation to the Constitution (and to those who have fought and died for our Freedom) that extends far beyond that of securing a majority of the votes of the Electoral College. No matter your promises of change and prosperity, your heartfelt intent or the widespread support you have garnered in seeking the highest Office of the Land, the integrity of the Republic and Rule of Law cannot, -- must not -- be put at risk, by allowing a constitutionally unqualified person to sit, as a usurper, in the Office of the President.
No matter the level of practical difficulty, embarrassment or disruption of the nation’s business, we must -- above all -- honor and protect the Constitution and the divine, unalienable, Individual Rights it guarantees, including the Right to a President who is a natural born citizen of the United States of America that has not relinquished his American citizenship. Our nation has endured similar disruptions in the past, and will weather this crisis as well. Indeed, it is both yours and the People’s mutual respect for, and commitment to, the Constitution and Rule of Law that insures the perpetuation of Liberty.
As a long time defender of my state and federal Constitutions, and in consideration of the lack of sufficient evidence needed to establish your credentials as President, I am compelled to lodge this Petition for Redress of Grievances and public challenge to you.
Make no mistake: This issue IS a Constitutional crisis. Although it will not be easy for you, your family or our Republic, you have it within your ability to halt this escalating crisis by either producing the certified documents establishing beyond question your qualifications to hold the Office of President, or by immediately withdrawing yourself from the Electoral College process.
With due respect, I hereby request that you deliver the following documents to Mr. Berg and myself at the National Press Club in Washington, DC at noon on Monday, November 17, 2008:
(a) a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate; (b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham; (c) a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship; (d) a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity; (e) certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and (f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro.
In the alternative, in defense of the Constitution, and in honor of the Republic and that for which it stands, please announce before such time your withdrawal from the 2008 Presidential election process.
“In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 469-471.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
Robert L. Schulz, Founder and Chairman, We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.
found this posted tonite on freepers:
An Open Letter to Barack Obama
Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAYWTP Foundation ^
Posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 11:16:05 PM by Smokeyblue
An Open Letter to Barack Obama: (Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY the week of November 10, 2008)
Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?
Are you legally qualified to hold the Office of President?
Dear Mr. Obama:
On October 24, 2008, a federal judge granted your request to dismiss a lawsuit by Citizen Philip Berg, who challenged your qualifications under the “Natural Born Citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution to legally hold the office of President of the United States of America.
Mr. Berg presented factual evidence to the Court in support of his claim that you are either a citizen of your father’s native Kenya by birth, or that you became a citizen of Indonesia, relinquishing your prior citizenship when you moved there with your mother in 1967.
In your response to the lawsuit, you neither denied Mr. Berg’s claims nor submitted any evidence which would refute his assertions. Instead, you argued that the Court lacked the jurisdiction to determine the question of your legal eligibility because Mr. Berg lacked “standing.”
Astonishingly, the judge agreed, simply saying, “[Mr. Berg] would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary [sic] in living memory.”
Unfortunately, your response to the legal claim was clearly evasive and strikingly out of character, suggesting you may, in fact, lack a critical Constitutional qualification necessary to assume the Office of President: i.e., that you are not a “natural born” citizen of the United States or one who has relinquished his American citizenship.
Before you can exercise any of the powers of the United States, you must prove that you have fully satisfied each and every eligibility requirement that the Constitution mandates for any individual’s exercise of those powers.
Regardless of the tactics chosen in defending yourself against the Berg lawsuit, significant questions regarding your legal capacity to hold this nation’s highest office have been put forth publicly, and you have failed to directly refute them with documentary evidence that is routinely available to any bona fide, natural born U.S. Citizen.
As one who has ventured into the fray of public service of his own volition, seeking to possess the vast powers of the Office of President, it is not unreasonable to demand that you produce evidence of your citizenship to answer the questions and allay the concerns of the People. Indeed, as the one seeking the office, you are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence to establish your qualifications as explicitly mandated by Article II of the Constitution.
Should you proceed to assume the office of the President of the United States as anything but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States that has not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national disaster, placing our Republic at great risk from untold consequences. For example:
· Neither the Electoral College on December 15, nor the House of Representatives on January 6 would be able to elect you, except as a poseur - a usurper;
· As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” of office on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible for the Office of the President you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States;
· Your every act in the usurped Office of the President would be a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling you to no obedience whatsoever from the People;
· as a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;
· No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;
· Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;
· Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID;
· As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.
As an attorney and sitting U.S. Senator, I’m sure you agree that our Constitution is the cornerstone of our system of governance. It is the very foundation of our system of Law and Order – indeed, it is the supreme law of the land. I’m sure you also agree that its precise language was no accident and cannot be ignored if Individual, unalienable, natural Rights, Freedoms and Liberties are to be protected and preserved.
As our next potential President, you have a high-order obligation to the Constitution (and to those who have fought and died for our Freedom) that extends far beyond that of securing a majority of the votes of the Electoral College. No matter your promises of change and prosperity, your heartfelt intent or the widespread support you have garnered in seeking the highest Office of the Land, the integrity of the Republic and Rule of Law cannot, -- must not -- be put at risk, by allowing a constitutionally unqualified person to sit, as a usurper, in the Office of the President.
No matter the level of practical difficulty, embarrassment or disruption of the nation’s business, we must -- above all -- honor and protect the Constitution and the divine, unalienable, Individual Rights it guarantees, including the Right to a President who is a natural born citizen of the United States of America that has not relinquished his American citizenship. Our nation has endured similar disruptions in the past, and will weather this crisis as well. Indeed, it is both yours and the People’s mutual respect for, and commitment to, the Constitution and Rule of Law that insures the perpetuation of Liberty.
As a long time defender of my state and federal Constitutions, and in consideration of the lack of sufficient evidence needed to establish your credentials as President, I am compelled to lodge this Petition for Redress of Grievances and public challenge to you.
Make no mistake: This issue IS a Constitutional crisis. Although it will not be easy for you, your family or our Republic, you have it within your ability to halt this escalating crisis by either producing the certified documents establishing beyond question your qualifications to hold the Office of President, or by immediately withdrawing yourself from the Electoral College process.
With due respect, I hereby request that you deliver the following documents to Mr. Berg and myself at the National Press Club in Washington, DC at noon on Monday, November 17, 2008:
(a) a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate; (b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham; (c) a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship; (d) a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity; (e) certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and (f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro.
In the alternative, in defense of the Constitution, and in honor of the Republic and that for which it stands, please announce before such time your withdrawal from the 2008 Presidential election process.
“In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 469-471.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.
Sincerely,
Robert L. Schulz, Founder and Chairman, We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.
Cabal
Pissed off Patriot
ummm Congress can't simply vote and change Constitutional requirements....
Now heres the conundrum and all to many of us don't trust our government any more. How about 24 citizens picked randomly that have no connections to DC's inner circle political system, given unfettered accesses to prove to disprove with what ever they find.
CelticRose
Membership Revoked
An Open Letter to Barack Obama: (Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY the week of November 10, 2008)
Will USA Today run the ad?
I'd like to think they would but ...... In todays' climate, it wouln't surprise me that they'd decide otherwise.
Imagine the response, not only in the MSM but also the streets.......
IMO November 4th, 2008 may well be viewed by historians as the day th USA was sold to the highest bidders. Namely those hwo have cultivated, groomed and lavishly funded not only obama, but those who made sure all those pesky problems regarding statements he made on college applications and such, have been sealed away ...... forever.
Remember this ...... Not one person from his time in prep school in Hawaii nor anyone from his college days, have stepped forward to say anything. Nada. Not so much as boo.
Strange, sin't it, when you cnsider every other presidential candidate and / or pres.-elect, has had every little detail of their lives drug into / through the spotlight.........
Will USA Today run the ad?
I'd like to think they would but ...... In todays' climate, it wouln't surprise me that they'd decide otherwise.
Imagine the response, not only in the MSM but also the streets.......
IMO November 4th, 2008 may well be viewed by historians as the day th USA was sold to the highest bidders. Namely those hwo have cultivated, groomed and lavishly funded not only obama, but those who made sure all those pesky problems regarding statements he made on college applications and such, have been sealed away ...... forever.
Remember this ...... Not one person from his time in prep school in Hawaii nor anyone from his college days, have stepped forward to say anything. Nada. Not so much as boo.
Strange, sin't it, when you cnsider every other presidential candidate and / or pres.-elect, has had every little detail of their lives drug into / through the spotlight.........
I just want to see Obama's draft registration.
If he is going to be CIC of my son, and son in law, 2 nephews and one niece, and many many neighbors, then I want to know Obama made an honest attempt to serve this country with registration for military service.
Not that he did or did not serve, but that he made the honest attempt to at least go to the US Post Office on his 18th birthday and register for the draft.
His college records are also sealed.
Did Obama attend Harvard as a foreign exchange student?
If he is going to be CIC of my son, and son in law, 2 nephews and one niece, and many many neighbors, then I want to know Obama made an honest attempt to serve this country with registration for military service.
Not that he did or did not serve, but that he made the honest attempt to at least go to the US Post Office on his 18th birthday and register for the draft.
His college records are also sealed.
Did Obama attend Harvard as a foreign exchange student?
CelticRose
Membership Revoked
Exactly.
Any changes / additional amendments would need to be ratified. A long process at best. Recall the Equal Rights Amendment? Took years and failed to be ratified.
Navydad
Inactive
Not only do I agree Susan, but let's also put to rest the McCain thing. His qualifications were questioned because he was born outside the United States. A U.S. Military base, just like a U.S. embassy are considered to be the soil of the United States of America where-ever they are in the world.
that is a
dead horse some here are beating. The O question is totally separate but it would literally take the U.S. Congress to put forth the question. Think they will? 
NoPlugsNM
Deceased
As I see it, Congress is just as responsible to EQUALLY vet Obama's eligibility in the same manner they vetted McCain. The same applies to the final conclusion of the Electorial College in THIER certification of him being elected.
ALL those who do not engage in the steps to get this situation straightened out who have full knowledge of this possible discrepancy would effectively be TRAITORS, and should be prosecuted accordingly.
I hope that the Supreme Courts mandated of ALL his records actually plays out, Obama might argure that the birth record is sufficient. One would think all the other factors play the greater role in determining his citizenship at this time.
What should be happening is that everyone should be e-mailing and faxing ALL the house and senate members ASKING these questions and also asking why there is no actions being taken simialr to that of what was taken with McCain???
Obama should be called on the carpet NOW by everyone. This should not be allowed to just fade away.
NP
ALL those who do not engage in the steps to get this situation straightened out who have full knowledge of this possible discrepancy would effectively be TRAITORS, and should be prosecuted accordingly.
I hope that the Supreme Courts mandated of ALL his records actually plays out, Obama might argure that the birth record is sufficient. One would think all the other factors play the greater role in determining his citizenship at this time.
What should be happening is that everyone should be e-mailing and faxing ALL the house and senate members ASKING these questions and also asking why there is no actions being taken simialr to that of what was taken with McCain???
Obama should be called on the carpet NOW by everyone. This should not be allowed to just fade away.
NP
Navydad
Inactive
I am not being sarcastic NP but empower me or someone. I would step forward.
But, as I understand it only Congress or The Electoral College have the proper standing in the courts and we know who controls them.
I totally agree with you that this should not just be allowed to go away. I wish I could be more optimistic but what can we really do?
But, as I understand it only Congress or The Electoral College have the proper standing in the courts and we know who controls them.
I totally agree with you that this should not just be allowed to go away. I wish I could be more optimistic but what can we really do?
look at this flash video link please. TOP OF PAGE!
almost Scares me into believing in reincarnation
Is Malcom X Obama's daddy?
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of
Is Obama the secret son of Malcolm X?
If Barack Hussein Obama II is Malcolm X's biological son and ideological heir, it would uniquely explain the mystery of why he was so generously helped by so many Arab and communist "friends in high places" long before he was a "somebody."
Malcolm ensured his secret son would learn the ways of Islam, of revolution, tutored by the finest socialist ideologues of his time, and the future, funded by Saudi and Syrian financiers. He would be groomed for leadership, educated and trained to organize the community called the United States of America.
Morph of Barack O to Malcolm X courtesy Polarik.
almost Scares me into believing in reincarnation
Is Malcom X Obama's daddy?
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of
Is Obama the secret son of Malcolm X?
- Posted by Israel Insider on November 4, 2008 at 1:00am
If Barack Hussein Obama II is Malcolm X's biological son and ideological heir, it would uniquely explain the mystery of why he was so generously helped by so many Arab and communist "friends in high places" long before he was a "somebody."
Malcolm ensured his secret son would learn the ways of Islam, of revolution, tutored by the finest socialist ideologues of his time, and the future, funded by Saudi and Syrian financiers. He would be groomed for leadership, educated and trained to organize the community called the United States of America.
Morph of Barack O to Malcolm X courtesy Polarik.
Hold On!
Do you guys ever read Devvy Kidd? She is awesome, and gives the whole story of the lawsuits about BO's birth records and citizenship.
All is not lost, as there are still two lawsuits out there regarding this. Devvy has sent four requests via the Freedom of Information Act, and you need to read more about it....
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd411.htm
The article is entitled 'Comrade Obama Is Not America's Next President'
Do you guys ever read Devvy Kidd? She is awesome, and gives the whole story of the lawsuits about BO's birth records and citizenship.
All is not lost, as there are still two lawsuits out there regarding this. Devvy has sent four requests via the Freedom of Information Act, and you need to read more about it....
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd411.htm
The article is entitled 'Comrade Obama Is Not America's Next President'
Phil Ca
Inactive
Whhen I returned from Vietnam and a bit later applied for a federal job, I hadto fill out lots of paperwork so Icould qualify. I was working onthe various locations that I had been for the past ten years intthe military. During one PCS move I was on a two week vacation an neglected to include my "Intransit Status". the agency taskedwith checking my background stopped and wrote me aletter and asked me to account for the missing time. My entry into the federal service hinged upon my reply and was delayed until I updated my peperwork and they could verify its veracity.
Later when I was in a position to hire employeees for sensitive positions I relied on these same background investigations to vet the applicants fo the positions offered. One time I was informed several months into a new hires employment that he had lied about being fired, rather than he justquit a previous temporary job. he had claimed it was a disagrement over workschedules. He actually got into a physical confrontation and decked his sipervisor.
He was a good employee and I did not like having to lethim go but my chief in DC said it was not an option, so i had to cut him loose.
Now yo would cetainly think that someone that was applying to bcome the POTUS would want to have all the proper vetting that could be done to assure his proper place in this country's history wouldn't you? but we know le abot the current POTUS Elect than we do "Joe-the-Plumber" thta wasput -upon by the MSM and DNC> Both groups waged an all-out assault on his personal life and dredged up all sorts of information. Why could not the MSM do as good ajoob on BHO as they did on "Joe" and lets not forget what the MSM and DNC did to Sarah Palin!
We will probably never know about BHO's life story, except waht he deigns to show us and onlyin his good time.
And Stormy, you are right about Devey Kidd,she is on top of things.
All of the negative stuff about BHO that we have seen on Youtube and elsewhere may soon be gone as well. I checked one item in the afternoon and it was removed with no explanation.
Later when I was in a position to hire employeees for sensitive positions I relied on these same background investigations to vet the applicants fo the positions offered. One time I was informed several months into a new hires employment that he had lied about being fired, rather than he justquit a previous temporary job. he had claimed it was a disagrement over workschedules. He actually got into a physical confrontation and decked his sipervisor.
He was a good employee and I did not like having to lethim go but my chief in DC said it was not an option, so i had to cut him loose.
Now yo would cetainly think that someone that was applying to bcome the POTUS would want to have all the proper vetting that could be done to assure his proper place in this country's history wouldn't you? but we know le abot the current POTUS Elect than we do "Joe-the-Plumber" thta wasput -upon by the MSM and DNC> Both groups waged an all-out assault on his personal life and dredged up all sorts of information. Why could not the MSM do as good ajoob on BHO as they did on "Joe" and lets not forget what the MSM and DNC did to Sarah Palin!
We will probably never know about BHO's life story, except waht he deigns to show us and onlyin his good time.
And Stormy, you are right about Devey Kidd,she is on top of things.
All of the negative stuff about BHO that we have seen on Youtube and elsewhere may soon be gone as well. I checked one item in the afternoon and it was removed with no explanation.
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
thanks for all the replies. i HAD to supply a certified copy of my birth certificate here in Maine just to get married.
why the hell don't political candidates have to jump through the same hoop, particularly since it is required by the frigging CONSTITUTION to be a native son or daughter in order to be President?
i also am not happy that this was removed from the main board. i understand the overarching need to put all the political stuff behind us, but this is fundamental to the Law being upheld.
basically we have an Outlaw illegal alien, backed by mobsters, communists, foreigners, and muslims ready to take over the reigns of OUR government. this is soooo bullshit.
why the hell don't political candidates have to jump through the same hoop, particularly since it is required by the frigging CONSTITUTION to be a native son or daughter in order to be President?
i also am not happy that this was removed from the main board. i understand the overarching need to put all the political stuff behind us, but this is fundamental to the Law being upheld.
basically we have an Outlaw illegal alien, backed by mobsters, communists, foreigners, and muslims ready to take over the reigns of OUR government. this is soooo bullshit.
BL225128
Inactive
I think that the strategy was to help enable McCrank to stay in the race during the primaries and not get beaten out over phony questions regarding his eligibilty for the Presidency. Thus keeping one more "moderate" in the race and keeping the party form getting behind a conservative. As far as the resolution goes, I believe that Juan was considered natural born under a law dating from the 1950s, IIRC. I think at the time Hillary! was considered the front-runner and ol'Blue Lips was simply an exotic socialist shakedown artist from the Chicago Machine.
I suppose that, if the whereabouts of the Kenyanesian's birth in Mombasa become known, there might be a move in the congress to "declare" him a natural born citizen.