ECON Cameron Warns Britons of 'Decades of Austerity'

Nuthatch

Membership Revoked
NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/world/europe/08britain.html?hp

Excerpt:

LONDON — Prime Minister David Cameron said Monday that Britain’s financial situation was “even worse than we thought” and that the country would have to make savage spending cuts to bring its swelling deficit under control.

Prime Minister David Cameron spoke at The Open University accompanied by Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander, right, in Milton Keynes, England on Monday.

Stern and grim-faced in a speech in Milton Keynes, just north of London, Mr. Cameron said, “How we deal with these things will affect our economy, our society — indeed our whole way of life.”

“The decisions we make will affect every single person in our country,” he said. “And the effects of those decisions will stay with us for years, perhaps decades, to come.” ....................
 

Nuthatch

Membership Revoked
In May, Spain announced their austerity plan...

The Spanish government has approved a 15bn-euro ($19bn; £13bn) austerity plan to rein in the public deficit and ease fears of a Greek-style debt crisis.
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10134734.stm

Germany has also announced an austerity plan:
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has won the backing of her coalition cabinet for a fiscal austerity programme.

Berlin will cut the budget deficit by a record 80bn euros ($96bn; £66bn) by 2014.
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10257902.stm


Austerity is now popular.
 

LONEWOLF

Deceased
Austerity is good to dabble in until the masses squeal, just make sure as sunshine those TARP funds keep coming, and don't forget Industry bailouts should continue to be all the fashion too. The austerity doesn't 'trickle up'....
 

Moon

Veteran Member
British Trade Unions have saved a war chest of over 25 million to fight these cuts.......the cuts run up by the wealthy and aimed at the poorest in society. Cameron states we will all feel the pain......i doubt that somehow the poorest i think will feel that pain much more than his multi millionaire friends and family.

A summer of rage may well be on the cards. However war is a great distraction isnt it.......gets everyone focused.......ummmm
 

undead

Veteran Member
British Trade Unions have saved a war chest of over 25 million to fight these cuts.......the cuts run up by the wealthy and aimed at the poorest in society. Cameron states we will all feel the pain......i doubt that somehow the poorest i think will feel that pain much more than his multi millionaire friends and family.

A summer of rage may well be on the cards. However war is a great distraction isnt it.......gets everyone focused.......ummmm



I suggest the British Trade Unions identify alternative cuts if they're so bummed about economic reality.


Let's see if they can do it without falling back to demanding tax hikes.

:whistle:
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Another active World War is coming.

The people of the world are going to be furious at their governments.

As was said on this thread the only thing that could focus attention away from them is a War.

Someone else becomes the enemy and it becomes patriotic to
a) hold your objections to the government that caused the problems and
b) make due with less for the war effort.

It's been called the "Central Bank & War model"

The best way to break the cycle, Be discerning against false Flag incidents, know when you are being manipulated.

Refuse to participate, sit down and do nothing. People hold the power, know it, refuse to be used as a tool.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Austerity is very different from country to county. Here in China teachers get paid a lot more than their counter parts in Russia.

In China wages are often in line with the local economy. So a city teacher might be on twice as much as a countryside teacher even though they live quite close to each other.

Factory workers are very often very poorly paid. Most factory jobs start as low as $100 US a month.


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Richard

TB Fanatic
British Trade Unions have saved a war chest of over 25 million to fight these cuts.......the cuts run up by the wealthy and aimed at the poorest in society. Cameron states we will all feel the pain......i doubt that somehow the poorest i think will feel that pain much more than his multi millionaire friends and family.

A summer of rage may well be on the cards. However war is a great distraction isnt it.......gets everyone focused.......ummmm

These cuts are entirely due to the profligate spending by Labour and its economic failure over 13 years of misrule.
 

Nuthatch

Membership Revoked
From a BBC blog [Gavin Hewitt] about Europe's austerity measures:

"Others have warned of the dangers to growth of so many countries cutting spending together. That is the unknown risk: will these cutbacks choke off a fragile recovery in Europe where growth is currently running at an anaemic 0.2%? Economists disagree on what impact these measures will have. Some even fear that in reducing public spending Europe is repeating the mistakes of the 1930s. "

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/
 

econjon33

Contributing Member
NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/world/europe/08britain.html?hp

Excerpt:

LONDON — Prime Minister David Cameron said Monday that Britain’s financial situation was “even worse than we thought” and that the country would have to make savage spending cuts to bring its swelling deficit under control.

Prime Minister David Cameron spoke at The Open University accompanied by Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander, right, in Milton Keynes, England on Monday.

Stern and grim-faced in a speech in Milton Keynes, just north of London, Mr. Cameron said, “How we deal with these things will affect our economy, our society — indeed our whole way of life.”

“The decisions we make will affect every single person in our country,” he said. “And the effects of those decisions will stay with us for years, perhaps decades, to come.” ....................


ironic: 2 names at least partially responsible for the mess itself...
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
Austerity is good to dabble in until the masses squeal, just make sure as sunshine those TARP funds keep coming, and don't forget Industry bailouts should continue to be all the fashion too. The austerity doesn't 'trickle up'....

Ain't that the truth! Wishing I was "too big to fail".
 

BoatGuy

Inactive
It seems that just about every country is touting an austerity program... except the US. We're just going on like we have been, taxing and spending. I truly believe that the US Government thinks that they can spend their way out of this mess. It's the new math. The old math says that we can't recover, if we go on this way, and that the eventual recovery that will be forced upon us, will be that much more painful.

Here's Germany's plan, btw...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/w...n8.nytimes.com/pages/world/europe/index.jsonp


Merkel Unveils Austerity Package for Germany
By JUDY DEMPSEY
Published: June 7, 2010

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BERLIN — Chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday unveiled a major austerity package aimed at finding savings of more than €85 billion by 2014, but it was immediately criticized by the opposition and trade unions, which pledged that they would unite to fight cutbacks they claimed would undermine the country’s generous social welfare system.
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Opel workers demonstrated Monday at the stock exchange in Frankfurt. Unions fear job losses and say the proposed cuts would weaken the social welfare system.
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“The savings offer no perspective whatsoever,” said Michael Sommer, leader of the German Federation of Trade Unions.

Speaking after two days of intense talks in the Chancellery, Mrs. Merkel said the savings program — the largest in the country’s postwar history — was the only way for Germany to “stand on its legs.”

She said the cuts were designed to bring the budget deficit under control and, more important, comply with a legal ruling whereby Germany is bound by the “Schuldenbremse,” or debt-brake, which the German Parliament passed into law last year. The law stipulates that the government has to limit its debts to a maximum of 0.35 percent of gross domestic product by 2016, which puts immense pressure on the government to find savings between now and then. Net borrowing, which soared to €85.8 billion, or $125 billion, this year, about €48 billion more than 2009, was the largest figure since World War II.

Justifying the savings, Mrs. Merkel insisted they would make the German economy more efficient and more competitive. “I am optimistic about our goal,” she said.

But it is not a view shared by many economists — and certainly not by those at the U.S. Treasury — who argue that trimming spending is not the road to economic recovery.

Timothy F. Geithner, the U.S. Treasury secretary, over the weekend urged “stronger domestic demand growth” in European countries, especially in Germany, Europe’s largest economy, which has a large trade surplus.

Opinion polls published Monday indicated that Germans were not willing to spend and instead would save because of the fear of losing their jobs. This is despite the fact that the unemployment rate in Germany fell for the 11th month running in May, a rare exception among euro-zone countries.

The decline pushed the adjusted jobless rate down to 7.7 percent in May from 7.8 percent in the previous month, according to the Federal Labor Office.

A combination of wage restraint and more flexible labor contracts has helped to make the German economy more efficient and encourage companies to begin hiring again, according to Deutsche Bank Research. But Germans have been very cautious about spending.

Mrs. Merkel said savings for next year would amount to €11.1 billion, rising to €17.1 billion in 2012, €25.7 billion in 2013 and €32.4 billion in 2014.

She said the savings will include cutting 10,000 jobs in the federal administration, reducing special parental allowances for the unemployed and trimming the armed forces.

Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg had wanted to introduce radical cutbacks by reducing the number of soldiers to 150,000 from 250,000 and even abolishing conscription, which will already be reduced next month to six months from nine months. It became clear during the past two days that Mrs. Merkel’s conservative bloc was so divided over abolishing conscription that she had agreed instead to establish a special commission to consider how the armed forces can be modernized.

“Everything is up for discussion,” Mrs. Merkel said.

Whatever the outcome of that commission, the armed forces, which have a budget of €30 billion for 2010, will make cuts of €4 billion between 2013 and 2014.

At the same time, certain subsidies for the energy sector will be abolished and a special environmental surcharge will be imposed on airline passengers.

None of the savings are to be financed by an increase in the value-added tax, sales tax or any other taxes, said Guido Westerwelle, foreign minister and leader of the pro-business Free Democratic Party. His party, which is committed to a major tax reform and tax cuts, fought tooth and nail during the negotiations to prevent any tax increases.

Mrs. Merkel will present her proposals in the coming weeks to the Bundestag, the lower house of Parliament, where she is expected to be receive a very tough reception from the opposition.

The opposition, consisting of the Social Democrats, Greens and Left Party, are in a combative mood, capitalizing on Mrs. Merkel’s political woes.

Her own popularity and that of her conservative bloc have been falling, even more after Horst Köhler resigned as president last week and a leading conservative premier, Roland Koch, quit, saying that he had had enough of politics.

Even more worrying for Mrs. Merkel is the surge of public support for Joachim Gauck, an Eastern German and former head of the special committee overseeing the secret police files of the former East Germany. Mr. Gauck was nominated Monday by the Social Democrats and the Greens as their presidential candidate. The Left has yet to decide whom to nominate.

Mr. Gauck, 70, could pose a formidable challenge to Christian Wulff, the conservative premier of Lower Saxony, who was selected by regional party leaders as presidential candidate over Mrs. Merkel’s preferred candidate, the labor minister, Ursula von der Leyen.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
My answer is the same as it was for the European"spending cuts" thread.

You notice they never discuss exactly WHAT "austerity measures" they intend or put into place?? We actually heard little of the suffering the IMF and World bank put on the Argentinian people. For a long time they limited people to $200 a week withdrawal from their bank account regardless of how much they had or was direct deposited by their employer.

THERE ARE DAMNED GOOD REASONS THE PEOPLE ARE RIOTING. They know what is coming, we have no clue.

"Austerity measures" are always exacted against the needs and services to the common people, never against the banking, stock traders, investors, speculators, commodity and currency traders who caused the mess.

Austerity for the common working man will steal his entire discretionary income leaving him with nothing after buying what he and his family must have just to continue living at all, not at the same standard of living. Nothing left for saving, entertainment, children, no traveling, no money for education, no money for retirement, less money to pay for increasingly expensive food, gas, clothes, electric, water, taxes, and everything else. It means drastically less food and meat, giving up the car, selling things to just meet basic expenses, rationing electric use, water use, heat use, borrowing, not buying books and magazines, giving up bars, restaurants, movies, hairdressers, no coffee out, no internet, no cell phones, no cable tv, living a life of self and family denial. For the wealthy it will merely mean an insignificantly less, to them, amount of money to speculate, invest, and for luxuries and to play with.

When our leaders talk "AUSTERITY" it scares me, it should scare you too, unless you are filthy rich.
 
My answer is the same as it was for the European"spending cuts" thread.

You notice they never discuss exactly WHAT "austerity measures" they intend or put into place?? We actually heard little of the suffering the IMF and World bank put on the Argentinian people. For a long time they limited people to $200 a week withdrawal from their bank account regardless of how much they had or was direct deposited by their employer.

THERE ARE DAMNED GOOD REASONS THE PEOPLE ARE RIOTING. They know what is coming, we have no clue.

"Austerity measures" are always exacted against the needs and services to the common people, never against the banking, stock traders, investors, speculators, commodity and currency traders who caused the mess.

Austerity for the common working man will steal his entire discretionary income leaving him with nothing after buying what he and his family must have just to continue living at all, not at the same standard of living. Nothing left for saving, entertainment, children, no traveling, no money for education, no money for retirement, less money to pay for increasingly expensive food, gas, clothes, electric, water, taxes, and everything else. It means drastically less food and meat, giving up the car, selling things to just meet basic expenses, rationing electric use, water use, heat use, borrowing, not buying books and magazines, giving up bars, restaurants, movies, hairdressers, no coffee out, no internet, no cell phones, no cable tv, living a life of self and family denial.
For the wealthy it will merely mean an insignificantly less, to them, amount of money to speculate, invest, and for luxuries and to play with.

When our leaders talk "AUSTERITY" it scares me, it should scare you too, unless you are filthy rich.

we don't have fare to fall around here.:lol:
 
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