POL Buy or Steal the election? Or both?

dstraito

TB Fanatic
I guess first you outspend your opponent nearly 3 to 1. Then if you are still worried that a half Billion dollars invested to get ONE man into the White House isn't enough, I guess you can try to cement your lopsided funding and supplement it with voter Fraud.

And this is what the American Public is wanting to lead the United States?

Banking on Becoming President

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php

For the first time ever in U.S. history, the candidates for president have raised more than $1 billion. To find out where all this money is coming from, click on the candidates' names below and explore the options to the left. The candidates now file campaign finance reports monthly. The reports for September are due October 20th.

Barack Obama (D)
Senator from Illinois
2008 boosted Obama into the position of the most successful presidential fundraiser ever, in addition to the Democratic nominee. From the start he's had no problem bringing in the money or appealing to new donors, and has relied on small online donors and bigger donors nearly equally. After becoming the nominee, he opted out of the public financing system, making him the first major-party candidate since the system was created to decline taxpayers' money for the general election.
Source of Funds


Individual contributions $426,902,991 94%

John McCain (R)
Senator from Arizona
McCain's campaign did a 180-degree turn this election cycle, going from nearly broke after last fall to emerging as the Republican nominee. Unlike his opponent, the Arizona senator has opted into the public financing system, limiting what he can spend to $84 million. He can, however, collect contributions to pay for the legal and accounting expenses necessary to comply with the public financing system and his party can spend its money on his behalf.
Source of Funds


Individual contributions $184,758,250 77%

Another source:

http://www.fec.gov/press/presssummary.pdf

And from http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/us/politics/20donate.html?ref=us

Senator Barack Obama’s announcement on Sunday of his record-shattering $150 million fund-raising total for September underscored just how much his campaign has upended standards for raising money in presidential campaigns

His campaign has now raised more than $600 million, almost equaling what all the candidates from both major parties collected in private donations in 2004.
It is a remarkable ascent to previously unimagined financial heights — Mr. Obama’s September total more than doubled the record $66 million he collected in August — that has been cheered by some and decried by others concerned about the influence of money in politics. The impact on the way presidential campaigns are financed is likely to be profound, potentially providing an epitaph on the tombstone of the existing public finance system.
Stealing an Election
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjFjNDAzZDRkYzQyM2IwZDA5MWFlNTM3YTE1OTYyYzM=

Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign is complaining to the Justice Department about the attention being focused on the determined effort by ACORN, Obama’s wholly owned vote-fraud division, to steal the 2008 election. Adding ignorance to gall, the campaign demands that what it calls a “Special Prosecutor” must investigate not ACORN but — you guessed it — the McCain campaign and the Bush administration.

ACORN, the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, is essentially a Marxist shakedown outfit. One of its main rackets is election fraud — but it can also be very helpful if you happen to be a Leftist activist who finds himself needing, say, to foment a riot, vandalize public property, shut down legislative hearings or opposition conferences, harass the families of elected officials, extort leave-us-alone pay-offs from banks, promote illegal immigration, or the like.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189

The Acorn Indictments
A union-backed outfit faces charges of election fraud.
Friday, November 3, 2006 12:01 A.M. EST
So, less than a week before the midterm elections, four workers from Acorn, the liberal activist group that has registered millions of voters, have been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election board. But hey, who needs voter ID laws?
We wish this were an aberration, but allegations of fraud have tainted Acorn voter drives across the country. Acorn workers have been convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations are still under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/09/15/more-acorn-vote-fraud-attempts/

By Warner Todd Huston
The union supporting, Democratic Party pushing, extreme leftist Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has been caught trying to jerry-rig voter applications in Michigan. It is looking like fraud on a massive scale in Detroit as ACORN tries to fill the Democrat voter rolls with fake Democrat voters.
ACORN is being investigated after several Municipal Clerks discovered fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/2...gistration-fraud-in-washington-state-history/

ACORN falls again: The worst case of voter-registration fraud in Washington state history Plus: John Edwards & ACORN, perfect together
Guess which left-wing group is at the center of the worst case of voter-registration fraud in Washington state history? Yep, you guessed it: ACORN. The same ACORN tied to massive voter fraud in Missouri. And Ohio. And 12 other states.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/story/700310.html

TALLAHASSEE -- Two suspicious Seminole County voter registration cards became a flash point Wednesday in the Republican effort to suggest the community group ACORN is committing fraud in its historic Florida get-out-the vote efforts.
An ACORN spokesman said the group spotted what appeared to be forged registration cards weeks ago and fired a worker over them. Seminole's election chief, Mike Ertel, said he was still "tremendously concerned," but stopped well short of calling the incident "fraud." The Republican National Committee, though, levelled the accusation and blasted the housing and wage advocacy group in a nationwide conference call with reporters, saying this wasn't an isolated incident.
In Orange County, ACORN staffers submitted multiple, duplicate registrations on behalf of six separate voters this summer. One individual had 21 duplicate applications. Election Supervisor Bill Cowles and his staff protested, noting in a June memo that ACORN had been submitting sloppy forms as well.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...n-washington-have-been-avoided-with-photo-id/

Two years ago ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms, but there was a problem. The names were made up -- all but six of the 1,800 submissions were fakes. Reed said he was appalled.
"There is nothing more fundamental to a democratic republic and to a citizen of the United States than participating in selecting your public officials. For people to undermine that and try to perpetuate fraud on the system is an outrage," he said.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

Nevada state authorities seized records and computers Tuesday from the Las Vegas office of an organization that tries to get low-income people registered to vote, after fielding complaints of voter fraud.
Bob Walsh, spokesman for the Nevada secretary of state's office, told FOXNews.com the raid was prompted by ongoing complaints about "erroneous" registration information being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.
The group was submitting the information through a voter sign-up drive known as Project Vote.
"Some of them used nonexistent names, some of them used false addresses and some of them were duplicates of previously filed applications," Walsh said, describing the complaints, which largely came from the registrar in Clark County, Nev.

http://theamericansentinel.com/2008/10/09/obamas-acorn-election-fraud-must-be-stopped/

Given rogue organization ACORN’s widespread voter fraud — it’s up to 12 or so states now – the time’s come for Obama’s rotten nuts to be gathered and legally roasted then hammered, before they steal this election. It’s also time McCain confronts Obama on this.
Said Ken Blackwell, Republican and former Ohio secretary of state, on Fox News’ Greta van Sustern’s show Friday, Oct. 10: “I think it’s outrageous that someone would suggest that there is not enough evidence to be highly suspicious of a rogue organization like ACORN. . . This is an organization that has a history of voter fraud. This is an ogranization that in at least 12 states are [sic] under investigation.”
For example, the voter registrar for Jackson County, Missouri, said last week on Fox News’ Greta van Sustern show that were at least 1,000 fraudulent voter registrations she’d found. One person registered 11 times in one day! She indicated she was turning this over to the FBI. ACORN appears to be at the bottom of this.
Last Friday, a 19-year-old black male from Ohio said he’d been bribed by ACORN over the past 18 months to register 72 times.
On and on it goes. Nevada. Pennsylvania. Other battleground states.
Unless there is massive, immediate, nationwide FBI intervention, it appears that Obama, via ACORN and super-biased Democrat secretaries of state in states — can you spell O-H-I-O and Jennifer Brunner? — will steal this election.
Given rogue organization ACORN’s widespread voter fraud — it’s up to 12 or so states now – the time’s come for Obama’s rotten nuts to be gathered and legally roasted then hammered, before they steal this election. It’s also time McCain confronts Obama on this.
Said Ken Blackwell, Republican and former Ohio secretary of state, on Fox News’ Greta van Sustern’s show Friday, Oct. 10: “I think it’s outrageous that someone would suggest that there is not enough evidence to be highly suspicious of a rogue organization like ACORN. . . This is an organization that has a history of voter fraud. This is an ogranization that in at least 12 states are [sic] under investigation.”
For example, the voter registrar for Jackson County, Missouri, said last week on Fox News’ Greta van Sustern show that were at least 1,000 fraudulent voter registrations she’d found. One person registered 11 times in one day! She indicated she was turning this over to the FBI. ACORN appears to be at the bottom of this.
Last Friday, a 19-year-old black male from Ohio said he’d been bribed by ACORN over the past 18 months to register 72 times.
On and on it goes. Nevada. Pennsylvania. Other battleground states.
Unless there is massive, immediate, nationwide FBI intervention, it appears that Obama, via ACORN and super-biased Democrat secretaries of state in states — can you spell O-H-I-O and Jennifer Brunner? — will steal this election.


CLEVELAND - Election officials in swing state Ohio’s most populous county asked a prosecutor Monday to investigate alleged voter-registration fraud, including 73 registrations obtained from one man by an advocacy group under fire in other states.
The bipartisan Cuyahoga County Board of Elections voted unanimously to ask county Prosecutor Bill Mason to investigate multiple registrations by four people who signed forms at the behest of a community organizing group, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN.
One of the new voters, Freddie Johnson, 19, of Cleveland, said he signed 73 voter registration forms over a five-month period. In return, ACORN canvassers gave him cigarettes or cash, about $20 in all, he told WEWS-TV in Cleveland.
Johnson said he was trying to help paid ACORN solicitors collect signed registrations but he didn’t intend to vote more than once.
Two subpoenaed witnesses didn’t show up at the elections board hearing.
The fourth, Christopher Barkley of Cleveland, said he was badgered into signing registrations, even when he told canvassers that he had done so. He said some of the 13 registrations in his name had been signed by him, but not all.
ACORN’s state director, Katy Gall, watched the board’s discussion and said later that ACORN had cooperated with the investigation and would fire anyone soliciting duplicate registrations. She said the organization was proud of its work registering new voters.
The group says it has signed up 1.3 million poor and working-class voters in a mass registration drive in 18 states this year. Some of those registration cards have become the focus of fraud investigations in Nevada, Connecticut, Missouri and other states.
Johnson, who said he didn’t understand voter-registration procedures, was one of four people who were subpoenaed to testify over duplicate registrations. Johnson said after the board meeting that he had been assured by the sheriff’s department that the investigation was aimed at ACORN solicitors and he wouldn’t face criminal charges.
Johnson told the board that he sometimes would get approached by six or seven ACORN voter-registration solicitors while waiting for a bus. Other canvassers stood 10 feet away while a solicitor approached him, Johnson said.
"They never told me I couldn’t stop signing them," said Johnson, who works selling cell phones. Johnson said he was surprised by the attention his multiple registrations had attracted.
Members of the board, split 2-2 by law between Democrats and Republicans, sent the matter to Mason for investigation. One member, Democrat Inajo Davis Chappell, said the board’s referral shouldn’t be limited to the four new voters in question.
Mason, a Democrat running for re-election in the Nov. 4 election in heavily Democratic Cleveland and Cuyahoga County, will review the matter and consider presenting it to a grand jury, which could return charges in an indictment, said his spokesman, Ryan Miday. There is no time frame for a grand jury presentation, he said.
Gall said ACORN canvassers are paid hourly, not for each signed registration they obtain. If canvassers kept going back to the same person to sign a registration card, "It sounds like people were being lazy," she said.
Any ACORN canvasser who fails to meet the organization’s training standards is fired, she said.
Nevada state investigators last week raided ACORN’s Las Vegas headquarters, seizing documents and computer data as part of a probe into scores of fabricated registration forms, including those signed in the names of Dallas professional football players
 

Kalliope

Inactive
Do you have any idea how much it makes the Republican's appear to be whiney titty babies about how much money Obama has raised? Do you want to know WHY he raised so much money from small donors like me?

Because Sarah Palin's Christian Taliban Theocracy Scared The Ever Lovin' Shit Out Of Us! Evidently from 3 million new donors too.

Republican's have been so used to being the cash cows for decades, and now that the tables are turned, they don't like it? Well, tough titty.

If you remember last winter's escapades, first McCain went for public financing, then pulled out of it, then HAD to go back. Just because he cut his own throat over public financing, Obama is suppose to commit financial hari-kari along with him?

RE ACORN:

Just because some makes an accusation doesn't make it true. Listening to a Republican & Democrat about this supposed voter fraud and guess what - the only person who has been indicted is a Republican in Calif. Yep, a Republican changing people's registrations.

Acorn has not been found to have committed voter fraud, individuals have.

Sorry, you can't steal the votes again Republican's - we are on to the shady games that ya'll have played since 2000. (Actually since Nixon)

Next we've got to change these stupid registration laws and just let an adult go in and vote.
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
If a candidate is the overwhelming savior and is going to win by such a landslide - why is it necessary for him to buy or steal the election by voter fraud?
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That $800 million could have done a lot of good somewhere to help people. Guess though, Obama is using his $600 million to help people see he is the messiah. Talk about waste, right down the toilet.
 

Wiley

Membership Revoked
I'll never understand spending $600 million dollars for a 400 thousand dollar-a-year job.

Shows clearly that politicians are horrible at handling money.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"I'll never understand spending $600 million dollars for a 400 thousand dollar-a-year job.

Shows clearly that politicians are horrible at handling money."
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It's not about the salary, it's about the power.
 

crossbowboy

Certifiable
Kalliope,

Quote:
Just because some makes an accusation doesn't make it true. Listening to a Republican & Democrat about this supposed voter fraud and guess what - the only person who has been indicted is a Republican in Calif. Yep, a Republican changing people's registrations.

Rebuttal:
Just because you would like to pretend that these are nasty Republican lies does not make them so. One Republican indicted as opposed to dozens of Acornuts who are about to be doesn't help much either.

Please be wary of touting socialism around here, it is not exactly a popular ideology . . .
 

NC Susan

Deceased
Do you have any idea how much it makes the Republican's appear to be whiney titty babies about how much money Obama has raised? Do you want to know WHY he raised so much money from small donors like me?Because Sarah Palin's Christian Taliban Theocracy Scared The Ever Lovin' Shit Out Of Us! Evidently from 3 million new donors too.Republican's have been so used to being the cash cows for decades, and now that the tables are turned, they don't like it? Well, tough titty.
If you remember last winter's escapades, first McCain went for public financing, then pulled out of it, then HAD to go back. Just because he cut his own throat over public financing, Obama is suppose to commit financial hari-kari along with him? RE ACORN:Just because some makes an accusation doesn't make it true. Listening to a Republican & Democrat about this supposed voter fraud and guess what - the only person who has been indicted is a Republican in Calif. Yep, a Republican changing people's registrations.Acorn has not been found to have committed voter fraud, individuals have.Sorry, you can't steal the votes again Republican's - we are on to the shady games that ya'll have played since 2000. (Actually since Nixon)Next we've got to change these stupid registration laws and just let an adult go in and vote.


I soooo pity you as one of the most innocent non thinkers I have ever read or seen posted or listened to or talked with on 3 continents or the 44 States I have lived in or traveled thru.
 

CelticRose

Membership Revoked
Firstly ...... Thanks for the thead, dstraito !!!



If a candidate is the overwhelming savior and is going to win by such a landslide - why is it necessary for him to buy or steal the election by voter fraud?

Because 'Bama-man Hussian is a product of social-Marxism indoctrination AND the corrupt Chicago system of politics. He's only doing what he know best: Cheat, Lie, Steal, Obfuscate and Obliterate to get what he wants ...........

That $800 million could have done a lot of good somewhere to help people. Guess though, Obama is using his $600 million to help people see he is the messiah. Talk about waste, right down the toilet.

Yes, funny how when it's liberal blowing money, it's always for the public good' and out of the pureness of their hearts. When conservatives do the same thing, the liberals screech about the wasteful gluttony of it..........

ACORN should be prosecuted under the RICO laws.

That's been my thoughts from the very onset. ACORN is a de facto tool of the extreme Democratic / socialist machine.......
 

Chartreuse

Yellow Solar Sun
Do you have any idea how much it makes the Republican's appear to be whiney titty babies about how much money Obama has raised? Do you want to know WHY he raised so much money from small donors like me?

Because Sarah Palin's Christian Taliban Theocracy Scared The Ever Lovin' Shit Out Of Us! Evidently from 3 million new donors too.

Republican's have been so used to being the cash cows for decades, and now that the tables are turned, they don't like it? Well, tough titty.

Yep...it's almost surreal to hear the Republicans complaining about one candidate outspending another.

Tell you what, anytime you folks want to support publicly financed elections that bar contributions by ANY person or corporation, let me know.
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
Didn't McCain go with publicly supported election funds - and Obama break his pledge to do the same? How quickly we forget!
 

Grantbo

Membership Revoked
I'll never understand spending $600 million dollars for a 400 thousand dollar-a-year job.


Let me 'splain' it to you; POWER, control over others, changing how an entire society operates. Get it now?

If I had the $, I'd spend a billion $ or $10 billion or whatever it took so gain the power so that I could change the way this county is moving, based upon my views and beliefs.
 
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