OT/MISC Burn Your Mask Day’ Erupts Nationwide

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People Are Tired of the Scamdemic
Patrick Howley
by PATRICK HOWLEY

September 15, 2020


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‘Burn Your Mask Day’ Erupts Nationwide

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“Burn Your Mask Day” proved to be a smash hit on Tuesday September 15, with good-hearted citizens torching their government or corporate-mandated face diapers in a show of defiance against the Coronavirus “Scamdemic” threatening the freedom and future of humanity. NATIONAL FILE’s Patrick Howley devoted his Tuesday episode to the “Burn Your Mask” phenomenon.

Burn Your Mask Day Festivities Begin Nationwide Patrick Howley @HowleyReporter


— Patrick Howley (@HowleyReporter) September 15, 2020

The “No More Masks” movement has been spreading covertly.


Vaccine oligarch Bill Gates expressed apathy in a CBS interview about the fact that his Moderna Coronavirus vaccine, which National Institutes of Health (NIH) has a financial stake in, is testing horribly in vaccine trials, with at least 80 percent of trial subjects reportedly suffering side effects. This news comes on the heels of a major protest in Africa against Coronavirus vaccines being tested on black people on the continent.

Military insurer Tricare admitted that it wrongly told more than 600,000 U.S. military members that they had the virus. Hospitals in Florida are showing massive problems with testing accuracy, with Orlando Health admitting that its 98 percent positive rate was actually 9.4 percent. The CDC admitted that it is mixing antibody and viral test results to derive its case numbers and you can test positive on an antibody test if you have antibodies from a family of viruses that cause the common cold. Here is Gates responding to vaccine side effects:


Even CBS pressures Bill Gates on the topic that almost everyone had side effects. He doesn’t seem to care.
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— An0maly (@LegendaryEnergy) July 26, 2020

No wonder people in Africa are protesting the vaccine tests.

National Institutes of Health (NIH) own a financial stake in the Bill Gates-funded Moderna Coronavirus vaccine, raising big questions about the supposed impartiality of the federal government’s policy decisions during the Coronavirus outbreak. NIAID director Dr. Anthony Fauci, a financial ally of Bill Gates whose institute partnered on the Moderna vaccine and is part of NIH, has been critical of Hydroxychloroquine and the FBI even raided a health spa serving intravenous vitamin C, which are competitors to a vaccine.

“We do have some particular stake in the intellectual property” for the Moderna vaccine stated Francis Collins, the director of NIH, in a revelatory recent Economic Club panel discussion. “One of the vaccines– the one that’s furthest along– what started, actually, at the federal government in our own Vaccine Research Center at NIH– then worked with a biotechnology company called Moderna to get to where we are now, with very impressive Phase I results and getting ready to go into a large-scale trial as early as July. That one, of course, we do have some particular stake in the intellectual property. Others, though, come from companies who’ve invested their efforts into getting them to the point where they might now be ready for a trial,” Collins stated.

Newly published documents from Public Citizen have massive implications. Public Citizen states:
“The U.S. government may jointly own a potential coronavirus vaccine. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has played a critical role in coronavirus research for years. Building off this work, federal scientists have helped design and test mRNA-1273—a vaccine candidate developed in partnership with Moderna.[2] The federal government has filed multiple patents covering mRNA-1273. In this report, we describe two patent applications that list federal scientists as co-inventors.[3] If the government successfully pursued its patent filings, the resulting patents would likely confer significant rights. We also review recently disclosed contracts between NIH and Moderna. The agreements suggest that NIH has not transferred its rights, but instead maintains a joint stake.”

Eight members of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) expert COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel disclosed recent financial relationships with Gilead, the drugmaker that is introducing an expensive Coronavirus competitor to Hydroxychloroquine, the inexpensive anti-malarial drug that President Trump has promoted which many people claim has helped them. This financial relationship between NIH experts and Gilead is especially concerning in light of revelations that NIH has a financial stake in the Bill Gates-funded Moderna vaccine, another competitor to Hydroxychloroquine. Chloroquine critic Dr. Anthony Fauci’s NIAID, which funded the Bat Coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology believed to be the source of the outbreak, is part of NIH.

HERE IS THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE LIST FOR THE NIH EXPERT CORONAVIRUS TREATMENT PANEL. The experts with disclosed ties to Gilead include consultants, people who provided Gilead research support, and honoraria. Members of the panel also disclosed ties to Merck and INOVIO Pharmaceuticals, which took $9 million from a Gates-backed company to develop a Coronavirus vaccine.
Gilead is driving up their prices from what was previously expected (as the company has done in the past, sparking bipartisan condemnation from Senators Grassley and Wyden). No wonder, then, VA study.
President Donald Trump is now officially vindicated with facts on his support for the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine.

“Treatment with hydroxychloroquine cut the death rate significantly in sick patients hospitalized with COVID-19 – and without heart-related side-effects, according to a new study published by Henry Ford Health System. In a large-scale retrospective analysis…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 6, 2020

“What we’re finding clinically with our patients is that it really only works in conjunction with Zinc,” stated Los Angeles emergency room specialist Dr. Anthony Cardillo. “So the hydroxychloroquine opens a zinc channel, zinc goes into the cell, it then blocks the replication of the cellular machinery….Every patient I’ve prescribed it to has been very very ill and within 8 to 12 hours they were basically symptom free.”
 

etdeb

Veteran Member
Mask or not, its a choice. I mask at a business that request as respect for their property and livelihood. If the unmask person give my employee COVID then its my pocket that is hit to pay that employee to stay home, and if they make the family sick its my pocket that takes the hit to pay while they stay home to care for family.
Mask or not mask, I can say my nephew was exposed directly 8 days ago when a person on rig site was in need of medical care so the person and him both had on mask for the ride to ER in his pickup and the person tested positive and today my nephew got his negative test results from his test Monday.
He has stayed away from family and business until the test was back.
 

Seeker22

Veteran Member
All those pretty cotton masks could be made into a nice patchwork quilt. Why aren't we burning Commies that started the scamdemic instead?

If they would have just been adults and focused on curing the illness, I'd have been happy to comply. Turn it into this nightmare and wreck the economy in the process, and my compliance goes to zero.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
i was reading where people marched thru stores like target and other places without masks making a statement for their 'freedom/ that is pure bullshit.

if a store wants customers to wear a mask to go inside to do business, wear the mask or shop somewhere else.

dont punish the stores - thats as stupid as the lefties blaming trump for climate change

you want to make a statement? march on and protest the mayor or governors office-THEY are the ones making the damn rules for the citry or state the stores must comply with by law.

it is fake, phony protest. i hate the mask as much as anyone else. focus on the policy makers not those that have to follow the policy. their blaming the wrong people. stores arent going to do any more than they have to do. they dont want to piss off shoppers but if the law says wear the mask, wear the damn mask OR WORK TO CHANGE THE LAW.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie
I was working from home today, but had I been out, I would've worn a mask in Aldi, which requires them. The local Menard's has quit enforcing their mask mandate, at least during the week.
 

To-late

Senior Member
i was reading where people marched thru stores like target and other places without masks making a statement for their 'freedom/ that is pure bullshit.

if a store wants customers to wear a mask to go inside to do business, wear the mask or shop somewhere else.

dont punish the stores - thats as stupid as the lefties blaming trump for climate change

you want to make a statement? march on and protest the mayor or governors office-THEY are the ones making the damn rules for the citry or state the stores must comply with by law.

it is fake, phony protest. i hate the mask as much as anyone else. focus on the policy makers not those that have to follow the policy. their blaming the wrong people. stores arent going to do any more than they have to do. they dont want to piss off shoppers but if the law says wear the mask, wear the damn mask OR WORK TO CHANGE THE LAW".
"focus on the policy makers not those that have to follow the policy. their blaming the wrong people.

^^^This,,,^^^ is the correct answer!
 

Mary Contrary

Veteran Member
I was working from home today, but had I been out, I would've worn a mask in Aldi, which requires them. The local Menard's has quit enforcing their mask mandate, at least during the week.
I do wear the cloth mask in the stores, but i always wear it below the nose. I don't cough thro my nose! If they make me cover my nose i will leave the store without buying anything. I do see a fair amount of people wearing the mask below their nose. Even the workers/cashiers.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Personally, I partly blame the mix-messages from both the CDC and the Administration early on - first for claiming masks don't work (because they didn't have enough of them) then telling people not to get the only masks that do serious work to prevent the wearer from being infection aka N95s because well- health professionals KNOW they work and that they WILL be exposed.

If all the doctors and nurses become ill, then a lot more people die by default, especially in a virgin outbreak like New York or Italy.

So by the time they decided to switch from "masks don't work" to "we'll actually they won't protect you but they may protect other people," to "wear as cloth mask all the time, even when driving your car," people realized it was getting kind of silly.

What I really-really-really hate and find amazingly stupid is the politicization of this topic! Wearing or not wearing masks and/or requiring/not requiring masks should have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POLITICAL CANDIDATE! It is a medical decision, not a political one!


And yes, I'm shouting because this has to be the stupidest, most insane, connection of a topic that concerns public health (pro or con) that got somehow connected to something totally unrelated that I have seen in many years of interest in the role pandemics play in history and being a volunteer during the HIV epidemic.

The only thing that comes close was the Reagan Administration's refusal for years to even mention the word "AIDs" (as if that would make it go away) followed by Barbara Bush being FORCED at the Republican convention to take off her red-ribbon before giving a speech on behalf of her husband.

I don't mean to just blast Republicans - Democrats have as much blame for playing this up like any other party - but the Administration has a responsibility to provide leadership and as far as I can tell they have done nothing but try and raise the topic to ever-higher levels of politicking.

As opposed to the Honest, Blunt, Truth - A Cloth Masks probably doesn't help the wearer very much but there are studies that show that mass wearing of them by most people, can slow the spread from person to person because you are protecting them.

But the pretty "fashion" masks don't really do all that much, to get any real protection you need the sort of masks that are hot, uncomfortable and some States have even tried to ban the public from using because yeah, that respirator thingy does, in fact, spread virus AWAY from the wearer and back into the airspace.


Also, unless those N95 and higher masks are worn correctly, they do no good at all and even medical students in Europe take several hour-long class on doing it properly and have to pass a hand's on the exam.

However, also TRUE, a good cotton mask with a face shield (you can make them from large water bottles) and googles do provide some real protection for the wearer but they are uncomfortable to wear for hours (especially the googles), and not all jobs can be done while wearing all that plastic and material on the face.
 

glennb6

Contributing Member
I do wear the cloth mask in the stores, but i always wear it below the nose. I don't cough thro my nose! If they make me cover my nose i will leave the store without buying anything. I do see a fair amount of people wearing the mask below their nose. Even the workers/cashiers.
hehehe, I'm an expat but the mask think is world wide. First the govt said wear a mask and govt told all the big retail stores to run with that rule. they did. no mask no shopping, except for some mom-pop small stores thankfully. now, lots of people still wearing the face diaper albeit loosely and often on the chin. Sort of objecting, sort of saying they think the mask is pointless but peer pressure says to wear it - hence the chin diaper. Ridiculously funny.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
i was reading where people marched thru stores like target and other places without masks making a statement for their 'freedom/ that is pure bullshit.

if a store wants customers to wear a mask to go inside to do business, wear the mask or shop somewhere else.

dont punish the stores - thats as stupid as the lefties blaming trump for climate change

you want to make a statement? march on and protest the mayor or governors office-THEY are the ones making the damn rules for the citry or state the stores must comply with by law.

it is fake, phony protest. i hate the mask as much as anyone else. focus on the policy makers not those that have to follow the policy. their blaming the wrong people. stores arent going to do any more than they have to do. they dont want to piss off shoppers but if the law says wear the mask, wear the damn mask OR WORK TO CHANGE THE LAW.

i absolutely agree with everything except the very last part of the last sentence. that is only because it isn't a law.

but the heart of what you are saying? yes, i agree. i really hate it. the businesses are not the ones who are making the public do this, it is the governors and mayors in each state. it should be very loud and very pointed at THEM.
 

glennb6

Contributing Member
Personally, I partly blame the mix-messages from both the CDC and the Administration early on - first for claiming masks don't work (because they didn't have enough of them) then telling people not to get the only masks that do serious work to prevent the wearer from being infection aka N95s because well- health professionals KNOW they work and that they WILL be exposed.

If all the doctors and nurses become ill, then a lot more people die by default, especially in a virgin outbreak like New York or Italy.

So by the time they decided to switch from "masks don't work" to "we'll actually they won't protect you but they may protect other people," to "wear as cloth mask all the time, even when driving your car," people realized it was getting kind of silly.

What I really-really-really hate and find amazingly stupid is the politicization of this topic! Wearing or not wearing masks and/or requiring/not requiring masks should have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POLITICAL CANDIDATE! It is a medical decision, not a political one!

And yes, I'm shouting because this has to be the stupidest, most insane, connection of a topic that concerns public health (pro or con) that got somehow connected to something totally unrelated that I have seen in many years of interest in the role pandemics play in history and being a volunteer during the HIV epidemic.

The only thing that comes close was the Reagan Administration's refusal for years to even mention the word "AIDs" (as if that would make it go away) followed by Barbara Bush being FORCED at the Republican convention to take off her red-ribbon before giving a speech on behalf of her husband.

I don't mean to just blast Republicans - Democrats have as much blame for playing this up like any other party - but the Administration has a responsibility to provide leadership and as far as I can tell they have done nothing but try and raise the topic to ever-higher levels of politicking.

As opposed to the Honest, Blunt, Truth - A Cloth Masks probably doesn't help the wearer very much but there are studies that show that mass wearing of them by most people, can slow the spread from person to person because you are protecting them.

But the pretty "fashion" masks don't really do all that much, to get any real protection you need the sort of masks that are hot, uncomfortable and some States have even tried to ban the public from using because yeah, that respirator thingy does, in fact, spread virus AWAY from the wearer and back into the airspace.


Also, unless those N95 and higher masks are worn correctly, they do no good at all and even medical students in Europe take several hour-long class on doing it properly and have to pass a hand's on the exam.

However, also TRUE, a good cotton mask with a face shield (you can make them from large water bottles) and googles do provide some real protection for the wearer but they are uncomfortable to wear for hours (especially the googles), and not all jobs can be done while wearing all that plastic and material on the face.
Once you realize the farce and absurdity from a medical point of view, the next question is "why is it done?" Don't think that the pols D&R don't know or haven't heard that masks wouldn't do squat and are BS medically. They know the score, but choose to ignore it.

The mask think along with socialist condition-distancing and stay home, bla bla bla, was NEVER really about health or medical safety. It was just supposed to SOUND like it was. This is about power and control and gobs of money, and changing society. There are plenty of written articles and YT vids that point towards a very very high level planned and executed game plan of which CV was but part of the whole. Even Martin Armstrong, who usually poopooed most talk of conspiracies in favor of random chaos, has been showing proofs of a world level conspiracy all leading up to The Great Reset.

What scares me is that this plandemic charade, which started in Event 201 and but a few months later went live, happened in a combined and coordinated way with virtually every country on the planet. Who has the means, the power, and the ability to do that?!

It's far bigger than the Ds trying to remove the Rs and the DJT politics. It's much bigger than ussa politics (but certainly includes it).

Thanks !
 

Catnip

Senior Member
i absolutely agree with everything except the very last part of the last sentence. that is only because it isn't a law.

but the heart of what you are saying? yes, i agree. i really hate it. the businesses are not the ones who are making the public do this, it is the governors and mayors in each state. it should be very loud and very pointed at THEM.
I agree. The mask is not about public safety, it's about control. The powers that be scared us enough to comply but people are now beginning to see through to the control. What virus has ever lasted 7 or 8 months? 7 or 8 days, sure, but many months?
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
The only time I wear a mask is to go into a store and then sometimes it slips my mind to put one on until someone gives me the stink-eye. :lol: No one has ever said anything to me. I wear a mask below my nose, otherwise, I can't see - my glasses fog up. I have noticed that upon approaching a store, most people wait til the last second to put on a mask upon entering and snatch it off immediately upon stepping back outside.

There appears to be a lot of quiet civil disobedience going on around here. In recent days, we have spent quality time with family and friends, attended a tractor show, gone camping at a state park, bought apples at an orchard, and participated in the Fair on the Square. Mask wearing by everyone we saw was nearly non-existent in all cases. We recently had our fireplace and chimney cleaned, furnace inspected, and also some repair work done around the house - no masks worn, with our permission. This week, we resumed our pre-COVID routine of weekly dining-in with friends at a local Mexican restaurant. We wore masks for the 30 seconds it took to walk from the door to our table. The place was nearly full, as it was senior night, and no one at tables wore masks, only servers. Since we don't watch TV news, life feels closer to normal for us.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This is probably my last comment on this thread, but it simply isn't true that "all medical studies" show that masks are "useless" just like it isn't true that "all medical studies" show they work wonders (except for the heavy N95s to 100s when combined with face shields and hazmat suits for level four protection).

What I have noticed over the last two or three months is that these days, many people (including many I like and respect on both "sides" of what shouldn't be a side issue at all) are only reading or quoting the studies, outcomes, information that supports their point of view.

My father-in-law a very well-known doctor in his field who got a serious award (I think it was the Presidential Medal for Freedom) from a Republican Administration in his 80s, who went to medical school and studied under some of the doctors who treated Kennedy (and who always knew the official story was a lie because the medical evidence didn't support it) believes that masks are useful for the general public, especially in public and crowded situations.

The reason is that in his 60 plus years of medical work, he is convinced that to some degree if most people are wearing them they can help limit infection - but you don't want to trust them to totally protect you and there isn't any reason to wear them at home or alone in the car.

If you have an infected family member you are directly caring for an N95 mask is probably a good idea if you can wear it (I can't my face breaks out) but both my father-in-law and Nightwolf have said that in reality a good face shield and googles may do more good than a homemade cotton mask.

Although adding the mask may provide another layer of protection especially for other people but protecting the eyes seems to be very important with this disease.

Nightwolf agrees on the masks on their own (cotton ones or surgical) don't do much for the individual wearing them, but he takes them with him when going to the store and puts them on before going inside - but then we live in a very rural area and he's unlikely to ever meet anyone walking to the village that isn't riding a tractor or easily able to stay 6 feet away.

So no - the "science" isn't totally clear, the "studies" and "doctors" do NOT ALL AGREE, and there are fairly good medical arguments in both directions - for MEDICAL reasons.

Those medical reasons have unfortunately been adopted by whichever political viewpoint finds one or another conclusion useful making it much harder for epidemiologists and medical researchers to actually figure out what actually is the BEST PRACTICE when it comes to THIS PARTICULAR virus.

Plus it is already known that some groups of people, like infants, should not wear masks at all, and even need special types of protection/hazmat suits if one is worried about nuclear fallout or biological attacks because they can't wear coverings that block their breathing, ditto people with severe asthma.

Finally, if masks did no good at all ever, doctors/nurses and hospitals wouldn't use them and cancer patients or others with compromised immune systems wouldn't be advised to wear them as a matter of routine when working the wards or going out in public with lowered biological defenses due to chemo or other issues.
 

Faroe

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They should also add a "wash your dirty germy mask day" as well as "pick your nasty used mask up off the ground and properly dispose of it " day
Just by observation, masks are a good way to spread Covid (plus every other flu and cold variety). People are constantly adjusting those damp, gross coverings, and then touching surfaces. I strongly suspect the puppeteers wanted this pandemic to be far worse than it has been.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie
Just by observation, masks are a good way to spread Covid (plus every other flu and cold variety).
Agreed. I don't wear one in HyVee (suggested but not required). I have a list. I go at an off-time and get in and get out. Not being there at rush hour is hugely helpful, I think. I also only have one shopping day (today), which keeps me away from the out-of-towners who come in on weekends.
 

Night Breeze

Senior Member
My mask may not do a thing for China virus (jury still out) but the next thing to go will be washing hands and social distancing. I still have not seen any reason to get up close and personal in public but I still haven't shown any symptoms of China flu. Call it luck if you will but I'm still going to be careful and hope for the vaccine. I think even CDC said if people wore masks in public washed hands and tried to avoid public contact the flu would not be so much of a pandemic.
 

glennb6

Contributing Member
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Finally, if masks did no good at all ever, doctors/nurses and hospitals wouldn't use them and cancer patients or others with compromised immune systems wouldn't be advised to wear them as a matter of routine when working the wards or going out in public with lowered biological defenses due to chemo or other issues.
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I don't dispute your right to wear a mask if you believe it will of benefit. Your personal decision and up to you.

I can find articles that dispute > (Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures)
< the efficacy of masks which contradict your presumption that 'drs/nurses wear them therefore they work.' Denninger recently found a 40 yr old clinical study that proved they did the opposite and infections in fact went down when they were not worn in the OR.

It is the govt and business following in lock-step all saying MUST WEAR that I object strongly to. You've probably seen some of the vids from Austrailia and NZealand of police agressively and very physically restrained and arrested for wearing a mask "improperly". It's not about the health and welfare of the public, never really was and isn't now.

That's a very different thing than your right to wear one, or wear pink on Tuesdays, or put mayo on your french fries.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
I would like to see more non-compliance in the town I live close to.
I stopped wearing a mask about a month ago. What a feeling of freedom! I wish that other people would wake up to the idiocy of this whole plandemic charade. Maybe some people will notice a non-mask wearer and get inspired to do the same.
 

To-late

Senior Member

People Are Tired of the Scamdemic
Patrick Howley
by PATRICK HOWLEY

September 15, 2020


13
‘Burn Your Mask Day’ Erupts Nationwide

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“Burn Your Mask Day” proved to be a smash hit on Tuesday September 15, with good-hearted citizens torching their government or corporate-mandated face diapers in a show of defiance against the Coronavirus “Scamdemic” threatening the freedom and future of humanity. NATIONAL FILE’s Patrick Howley devoted his Tuesday episode to the “Burn Your Mask” phenomenon.




The “No More Masks” movement has been spreading covertly.


Vaccine oligarch Bill Gates expressed apathy in a CBS interview about the fact that his Moderna Coronavirus vaccine, which National Institutes of Health (NIH) has a financial stake in, is testing horribly in vaccine trials, with at least 80 percent of trial subjects reportedly suffering side effects. This news comes on the heels of a major protest in Africa against Coronavirus vaccines being tested on black people on the continent.

Military insurer Tricare admitted that it wrongly told more than 600,000 U.S. military members that they had the virus. Hospitals in Florida are showing massive problems with testing accuracy, with Orlando Health admitting that its 98 percent positive rate was actually 9.4 percent. The CDC admitted that it is mixing antibody and viral test results to derive its case numbers and you can test positive on an antibody test if you have antibodies from a family of viruses that cause the common cold. Here is Gates responding to vaccine side effects:





No wonder people in Africa are protesting the vaccine tests.

National Institutes of Health (NIH) own a financial stake in the Bill Gates-funded Moderna Coronavirus vaccine, raising big questions about the supposed impartiality of the federal government’s policy decisions during the Coronavirus outbreak. NIAID director Dr. Anthony Fauci, a financial ally of Bill Gates whose institute partnered on the Moderna vaccine and is part of NIH, has been critical of Hydroxychloroquine and the FBI even raided a health spa serving intravenous vitamin C, which are competitors to a vaccine.

“We do have some particular stake in the intellectual property” for the Moderna vaccine stated Francis Collins, the director of NIH, in a revelatory recent Economic Club panel discussion. “One of the vaccines– the one that’s furthest along– what started, actually, at the federal government in our own Vaccine Research Center at NIH– then worked with a biotechnology company called Moderna to get to where we are now, with very impressive Phase I results and getting ready to go into a large-scale trial as early as July. That one, of course, we do have some particular stake in the intellectual property. Others, though, come from companies who’ve invested their efforts into getting them to the point where they might now be ready for a trial,” Collins stated.

Newly published documents from Public Citizen have massive implications. Public Citizen states:
“The U.S. government may jointly own a potential coronavirus vaccine. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has played a critical role in coronavirus research for years. Building off this work, federal scientists have helped design and test mRNA-1273—a vaccine candidate developed in partnership with Moderna.[2] The federal government has filed multiple patents covering mRNA-1273. In this report, we describe two patent applications that list federal scientists as co-inventors.[3] If the government successfully pursued its patent filings, the resulting patents would likely confer significant rights. We also review recently disclosed contracts between NIH and Moderna. The agreements suggest that NIH has not transferred its rights, but instead maintains a joint stake.”

Eight members of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) expert COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel disclosed recent financial relationships with Gilead, the drugmaker that is introducing an expensive Coronavirus competitor to Hydroxychloroquine, the inexpensive anti-malarial drug that President Trump has promoted which many people claim has helped them. This financial relationship between NIH experts and Gilead is especially concerning in light of revelations that NIH has a financial stake in the Bill Gates-funded Moderna vaccine, another competitor to Hydroxychloroquine. Chloroquine critic Dr. Anthony Fauci’s NIAID, which funded the Bat Coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology believed to be the source of the outbreak, is part of NIH.

HERE IS THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE LIST FOR THE NIH EXPERT CORONAVIRUS TREATMENT PANEL. The experts with disclosed ties to Gilead include consultants, people who provided Gilead research support, and honoraria. Members of the panel also disclosed ties to Merck and INOVIO Pharmaceuticals, which took $9 million from a Gates-backed company to develop a Coronavirus vaccine.
Gilead is driving up their prices from what was previously expected (as the company has done in the past, sparking bipartisan condemnation from Senators Grassley and Wyden). No wonder, then, VA study.
President Donald Trump is now officially vindicated with facts on his support for the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine.




“What we’re finding clinically with our patients is that it really only works in conjunction with Zinc,” stated Los Angeles emergency room specialist Dr. Anthony Cardillo. “So the hydroxychloroquine opens a zinc channel, zinc goes into the cell, it then blocks the replication of the cellular machinery….Every patient I’ve prescribed it to has been very very ill and within 8 to 12 hours they were basically symptom free.”
Oh crap. I'm to late again.
 

Mary Contrary

Veteran Member
hehehe, I'm an expat but the mask think is world wide. First the govt said wear a mask and govt told all the big retail stores to run with that rule. they did. no mask no shopping, except for some mom-pop small stores thankfully. now, lots of people still wearing the face diaper albeit loosely and often on the chin. Sort of objecting, sort of saying they think the mask is pointless but peer pressure says to wear it - hence the chin diaper. Ridiculously funny.
I saw two people walk in Aldies today wearing their mask below their nose. The one guy told me it's all "bullsh*t" about the virus and wearing masks. I told him i wear mine below my nose becuz i don't cough thro my nose. I see more and more people wearing it IN the stores with it being below their nose.
 
i was reading where people marched thru stores like target and other places without masks making a statement for their 'freedom/ that is pure bullshit.

if a store wants customers to wear a mask to go inside to do business, wear the mask or shop somewhere else.

dont punish the stores - thats as stupid as the lefties blaming trump for climate change

you want to make a statement? march on and protest the mayor or governors office-THEY are the ones making the damn rules for the citry or state the stores must comply with by law.

it is fake, phony protest. i hate the mask as much as anyone else. focus on the policy makers not those that have to follow the policy. their blaming the wrong people. stores arent going to do any more than they have to do. they dont want to piss off shoppers but if the law says wear the mask, wear the damn mask OR WORK TO CHANGE THE LAW.
Per bolded - WHAT law?

Which state legislators have codified into law that masks must be worn?

The real pressure on some major retailers is coming from the national retailers association, and from their liability carriers - essentially from the "lawyers" (activist lawfare) **suggesting** that the retailers do NOT want to be on the payout end of a customer lawsuit claiming that the customer was infected with COVID-19 at the retailer's location - total malarky - (try proving THAT in a court of law) - CLEARLY a nationally guided political operation using fear and threat tactics to force all parties into compliance - but, no black letter law to back it up.


intothegoodnight
 
"focus on the policy makers not those that have to follow the policy. their blaming the wrong people.

^^^This,,,^^^ is the correct answer!
Incorrect - the retailers are to blame, too - for allowing themselves to become the state governor's de facto shock troops, whose "job" is to force this wholly illegal mask-wearing EO/mandate scheme onto the public, without black-letter law, and without ANY science behind it all.


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glennb6

Contributing Member
Incorrect - the retailers are to blame, too - for allowing themselves to become the state governor's de facto shock troops, whose "job" is to force this wholly illegal mask-wearing EO/mandate scheme onto the public, without black-letter law, and without ANY science behind it all.


intothegoodnight
I agree with this 100%. They're playing for the wrong team so to speak. And to follow through with your previous post about no law - correct again. The govt is using the big retailers to enforce socialist-conditioning under the premise that private businesses are allowed to set and enforce rules for their own private stores - rules that govt cannot legitimately make or enforce. Pretty sneaky.

What concerns me is that many of the huge globo-corps and their PR departments are fully behind the scam and they are on board with the WEF Great Reset (see the WEF website). We cannot vote the top execs of these one world order out of their positions. We cannot vote out the huge shareholders of same. And same for the WHO, UN, WEF, and dozens of other psuedo private organizations that are pushing the scam.
 

Kathy in FL

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It is very hard to believe the hype when facts such as the following roll out nearly every day:

Military insurer Tricare admitted that it wrongly told more than 600,000 U.S. military members that they had the virus. Hospitals in Florida are showing massive problems with testing accuracy, with Orlando Health admitting that its 98 percent positive rate was actually 9.4 percent. The CDC admitted that it is mixing antibody and viral test results to derive its case numbers and you can test positive on an antibody test if you have antibodies from a family of viruses that cause the common cold.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This is on insurance, so I felt I'd add a tiny bit more - I suspect that To-late is correct because the way the current business system is set up in both the USA and most of Europe is that a company simply can't operate without insurance.

In some cases, this is a legal requirement and in other cases, it is simply a practical one, but much of the time it is a legal requirement.

This gives insurance companies enormous power and influence because they can "demand" just about anything and since they pose as private companies (even in areas where insurance is required, like to drive a car) they can always just threaten to cancel an individual's/business's insurance and/or just pull everything out of the State or Country.

I've mentioned numerous times how one year when I was living in Colorado, medical insurance companies did this in Wyoming. The Cost of malpractice suits had gone up for OBGYNs, so every company that wrote insurance for this simply told the State: "Pass a law lowering payouts or we will leave the State."

The State legislature wasn't fast enough, and ALL the medical insurance companies that covered OBGYN insurance simply quite providing it.

For about one year, women had to go to Colorado to give birth or have their babies on the road trying to get there - this also had a knock-on effect for pregnancy and health care for women in Colorado.

So if your business or the mortgage on your small business requires certain types of insurance and you get a note from your insurance company strongly suggesting you will lose coverage or not be covered if you don't force all your customers and employees to wear masks; then the business owner has two choices: either make customers wear and employees wear masks or close down.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
I know 4 people now who either died from SARS Cov-2 directly or from complications associated with it's mechanism of attack on the body. I also have a friend who knows of 4 in his circle of friends. Currently there are 2 that are in the high probability of dying also. Go ahead and burn your mask.
 

Macgyver

Veteran Member
No shoes no shirt no service.
Its not a a law almost anywhere (a few cities have it buried in health code books and usually related to restaurants). But upheld with a trespass charge if it comes down to it.

Protesting masks in a private business is useless.
If you want to protest it go swarm your state house.

And yes I realize that a cloth face mask is only remotely effective of catching a virus laden sneeze not the virus itself.
 

To-late

Senior Member
Incorrect - the retailers are to blame, too - for allowing themselves to become the state governor's de facto shock troops, whose "job" is to force this wholly illegal mask-wearing EO/mandate scheme onto the public, without black-letter law, and without ANY science behind it all.


intothegoodnight
No,,,,,the retailers have to have a government license to operate. If they dont follow orders they can be shut down. It's easy to blame business owners because you can reach them. But the truth is that they are controled by government edicts as much as anyone else.
They have to be licened to operate, those licenses come from the government. So they follow government orders just like you do.
Sure its their business. They should decide how it will be run, wrong....
The city tells them how large a building thay can build or have, and where it can and canot be operated.
And charges them to operate it by licenses and fees.
The fire marshal tells them how many people can be inside their building. And how many fire escape doors they must have.
The government decides for a grocery store or bar or resturant whether or not they can sell liquor beverages. Or foods.
It goes on and on. License this, license that.
Business are under the heavy government hand worse than anyone. So if they are mandated that their customers must wear a mask they post signs.
Dont for one second think that businesses are operating freely.
 
No,,,,,the retailers have to have a government license to operate. If they dont follow orders they can be shut down. It's easy to blame business owners because you can reach them. But the truth is that they are controled by government edicts as much as anyone else.
They have to be licened to operate, those licenses come from the government. So they follow government orders just like you do.
Correct, via the state health department. Thanks for this reminder.

I was referring to a conversation had, recently, with a couple of different upper-level management from national retailers.

Sure its their business. They should decide how it will be run, wrong....
The city tells them how large a building thay can build or have, and where it can and canot be operated.
And charges them to operate it by licenses and fees.

The fire marshal tells them how many people can be inside their building. And how many fire escape doors they must have.

The government decides for a grocery store or bar or resturant whether or not they can sell liquor beverages. Or foods.
It goes on and on. License this, license that.

Business are under the heavy government hand worse than anyone. So if they are mandated that their customers must wear a mask they post signs.

Don't for one second think that businesses are operating freely.
All correct. Thanks for bringing this to the discussion.

The national retailers have the legal wherewithal to challenge these state-issued masking EOs - though, as far as I know, none have done so - the customer optics of such were not favorable at the time of the initial mask edicts - may be better, now, though customer perspectives on masks are still in flux.

There is much legal and political counter-pressure - state and local - that could be brought to bear, but is not being utilized/applied - how many large retailers do we know of, who have put their collective shoulders to the task of driving any sort of organized counter-narrative? Instead, they chose/choose to "run for the hills."

The (unelected) CDC and the state health departments officials are still running this show.

November state elections likely will provide some level relief on this matter - depending upon the amount of vote-rigging/cheating that occurs.


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Orion Commander

Veteran Member
Does it matter that a business is a large national chain? They still have to operate on a local level subject to all codes any mom and pop business is subject to.
 
Does it matter that a business is a large national chain? They still have to operate on a local level subject to all codes any mom and pop business is subject to.
It matters that a national retail chain has very deep legal pockets and in-house attornies, as well as much more effective state and local political leverage - both of which are simply out of reach of individual mom-and-pop retail operations.


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Orion Commander

Veteran Member
It matters that a national retail chain has very deep legal pockets and in-house attornies, as well as much more effective state and local political leverage - both of which are simply out of reach of individual mom-and-pop retail operations.


intothegoodnight
So because national chains have deep pockets they get to ignore local laws and codes. My local community will disagree with your premiss. We have lots of national chains here. They do what the code says or they don't do business here.
 
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So because national chains have deep pockets they get to ignore local laws and codes. My local community will disagree with your premiss. We have lots of national chains here. They do what the code says or they don't do business here.
Remember, in the end, politics usually boils down to who has the money - the local elected officials, or, others?

Business folks - be they national or local, also have the right to lobby, cajole, sue, cut a deal, etc., as they see fit for their business adventures - hostile business environments that are the purposefully created domains (kingdoms) of local or state communist politicians are viewed dimly by most business folks, in general.

The point that should be clear in THIS discussion - using state governor/local issued EOs as an (unconstitutional) cudgel upon the citizenry, while tying the corporate interests over a compliance barrel via brown shirt licensing/health department oversight - "or else" - is flat-out communist. You should know this, but apparently have forgotten. The governors and local folks issuing these highly politicized COVID-19/mask EOs KNOW that they cannot demand this level of compliance DIRECTLY from J6P - rather, must DISHONESTLY employ a communist round-about way of controlling the citizenry - THAT is the issue, here, with everything COVID-19.

Liars, cheats and thieves - employing marxist lawfare tactics.

Is that the sort of world we should strive to live in?


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