CRIME Bombshell: Fauci Said Risk of Manipulating Bat Viruses Was Worth a Potential Pandemic

Cacheman

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Bombshell: Fauci Said Risk of Manipulating Bat Viruses Was Worth a Potential Pandemic by Katie Pavlich
Katie Pavlich

3 minutes

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Things keep getting worse for NIH Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, who continues to say during testimony on Capitol Hill that he didn't fund Frankenstein gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

According to The Weekend Australian, Fauci wrote in 2012 that continuing dangerous gain-of-function research was worth the risk of a pandemic.
In previously unreported remarks, Dr Fauci supported the contentious gain-of-function experiments that some now fear might have led to an escape from a Wuhan laboratory causing the Covid-19 pandemic, calling them “important work”.

An investigation by The Weekend Australian has also confirmed Dr Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, did not alert senior White House officials before lifting the ban on gain-of-function research in 2017.

Writing in the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012, Dr Fauci acknowledged the controversial scientific research could spark a pandemic.

“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?” he wrote. “Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
“Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.

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After telling Republican Senator Rand Paul two weeks ago that he "never" approved grant funding through the NIH for gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Fauci changed his tune this week and said he simply told Chinese Communist Party controlled scientists not to conduct the research.

From Fauci's exchange with Republican Senator John Kennedy:

Kennedy: “Here’s where I’m getting at: You gave them money, and you said, ‘Don’t do gain-of-function research.’”
Fauci: “Correct.”

Kennedy: “And they said, ‘We won’t.’”
Fauci: “Correct.”

Kennedy: “And you have no way of knowing whether they did or not, except you trust them. Is that right?”
Fauci: “Well, we generally always trust the grantee to do what they say, and you look at the results—”

Kennedy: “Have you ever had a grantee lie to you?”
Fauci: “I cannot guarantee that a grantee has not lied to us because you never know.”
RT 5:52
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
When did this article come out?
Who/Where published this article?
What link can I use to go directly to this article?

You're supposed to read deep into the article to find the barely visable, on any of my devices anyway, dark blue text that links to an article out of Australia.
 

robolast

Senior Member
Bombshell: Fauci Said Risk of Manipulating Bat Viruses Was Worth a Potential Pandemic by Katie Pavlich
Katie Pavlich

3 minutes

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Things keep getting worse for NIH Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, who continues to say during testimony on Capitol Hill that he didn't fund Frankenstein gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

According to The Weekend Australian, Fauci wrote in 2012 that continuing dangerous gain-of-function research was worth the risk of a pandemic.









View attachment 268749

After telling Republican Senator Rand Paul two weeks ago that he "never" approved grant funding through the NIH for gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Fauci changed his tune this week and said he simply told Chinese Communist Party controlled scientists not to conduct the research.

From Fauci's exchange with Republican Senator John Kennedy:








RT 5:52
Seriously - there is no reason for our country to be messing with bat viruses. This is so stupid
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
Cacheman - OP's source URL is missing - kindly reveal.


intothegoodnight
Took a bit of time but I think this is what's being referred to in the link...





mbio.asm.org

Research on Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus: The Way Forward
Anthony S. Fauci

7-9 minutes


DOI: 10.1128/mBio.00359-12

ABSTRACT
The voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should continue, pending the resolution of critical policy questions concerning the rationale for performing such experiments and how best to report their results. The potential benefits and risks of these experiments must be discussed and understood by multiple stakeholders, including the general public, and all decisions regarding such research must be made in a transparent manner.

The views expressed in this Commentary do not necessarily reflect the views of the journal or of ASM.

Commentary
The influenza virus research community is to be commended for implementing a voluntary moratorium on “gain-of-function” experiments related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus (1). As a key funder of influenza virus research, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a component of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, strongly supports the continuation of this moratorium pending the resolution of critical policy issues related to the rationale for performing and reporting such experiments. We need to be certain that the fundamental purposes of this work, together with its risks and benefits, are understood by multiple stakeholders, including the general public, and that decisions are made in a transparent manner.

It is clear that the scientists who conducted the experiments that triggered this debate (2, 3), and who are among those who voluntarily signed onto the moratorium, have conducted their research properly and under the safest and most secure conditions. However, the issue that has been intensely debated is whether knowledge obtained from these experiments could inadvertently affect public health in an adverse way, even in nations multiple time zones away. Putting aside the specter of bioterrorism for the moment, consider this hypothetical scenario: an important gain-of-function experiment involving a virus with serious pandemic potential is performed in a well-regulated, world-class laboratory by experienced investigators, but the information from the experiment is then used by another scientist who does not have the same training and facilities and is not subject to the same regulations. In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario—however remote—should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

Scientists working in this field might say—as indeed I have said—that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.
It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky. However, we must respect that there are genuine and legitimate concerns about this type of research, both domestically and globally. We cannot expect those who have these concerns to simply take us, the scientific community, at our word that the benefits of this work outweigh the risks, nor can we ignore their calls for greater transparency, their concerns about conflicts of interest, and their efforts to engage in a dialog about whether these experiments should have been performed in the first place. Those of us in the scientific community who believe in the merits of this work have the responsibility to address these concerns thoughtfully and respectfully.

Granted, the time it takes to engage in such a dialog could potentially delay or even immobilize the conduct of certain important experiments and the publication of valuable information that could move the field forward for the good of public health. Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern. However, although influenza virus scientists are the best-informed individuals about influenza virus science, and possibly even about the true level of risk to public health, the influenza virus research community can no longer be the only player in the discussion of whether certain experiments should be done. Public opinion (domestic and global) and the judgments of independent biosafety and biosecurity experts are also critical. If we want to continue this important work, we collectively need to do a better job of articulating the scientific rationale for such experiments well before they are performed and provide discussion about the potential risk to public health, however remote. We must also not rule out the possibility that in the course of these discussions, a broad consensus might be reached that certain experiments actually should not be conducted or reported.

In this regard, as part of an interagency process, the U.S. Government is planning to augment current policy guidance related to life sciences dual-use research of concern (DURC) (4) by developing a framework for strengthening regular institutional review and oversight of certain life sciences research with high-consequence pathogens and toxins in order to identify potential DURC and mitigate risks where appropriate. This policy implementation proposal will go well beyond H5N1 influenza virus to include 15 pathogens and likely will be modified to include additional examples of DURC. It will delineate the procedures for the oversight of DURC and the responsibilities of investigators, research institutions, and the U.S. Government. Ultimately, there will also be a companion guide to help institutions identify, assess, manage, and responsibly communicate to the public about DURC.

With regard to the specific question of whether certain gain-of-function experiments related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should be conducted at all, which addresses directly the issue of the moratorium, the U.S. Government is planning to host an international workshop before the end of 2012 with important input from the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity and with global representation, including those with biosafety and biosecurity expertise, influenza virus and non-influenza virus scientists, and representatives of the domestic and global public. The meeting participants will consider general principles concerning the rationale for and risks and benefits of such experiments and what lines might be drawn in their conduct and/or reporting.

The game has changed for influenza virus scientists and the agencies that support them. As researchers, we must realize that we are critical players in the process of policy and decision making related to DURC, but we are not the only players. Before embarking on certain types of research, we must ask ourselves critical questions about whether there are alternative ways to answer the research questions at hand. When no reasonable alternatives exist, we must take the scientific approach to making the argument for conducting such experiments before they are performed. The voluntary moratorium on the controversial issue of gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus is providing us the time and space we all need to work together and get this right, and it should be continued until we do so (5).
  • Copyright © 2012 Fauci.
This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license, which permits unrestricted noncommercial use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited.

REFERENCES
  1. 1.
    1. Fouchier RA,
    2. et al
  2. . 2012. Pause on avian flu transmission research. Science 335:400–401. doi: 10.1126/science.1219412.
    FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar
  3. 2.
    1. Herfst S,
    2. et al
  4. . 2012. Airborne transmission of influenza A/H5N1 virus between ferrets. Science 336:1534–1541.
    Abstract/FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar
  5. 3.
    1. Imai M,
    2. et al
  6. . 2012. Experimental adaptation of an influenza H5 HA confers respiratory droplet transmission to a reassortant H5 HA/H1N1 virus in ferrets. Nature 486:420–428.
    CrossRefPubMedWeb of ScienceGoogle Scholar
  7. 4.
    1. NIH
  8. . 2012. United States Government policy for oversight of life sciences dual use research of concern. NIH, Bethesda, MD. http://oba.od.nih.gov/oba/biosecurity/PDF/United_States_Government_Policy_for_Oversight_of_DURC_FINAL_version_032812.pdf.
    Google Scholar
  9. 5.
    1. Fauci A. S.
  10. 31 July 2012. The way forward in influenza research: a dialogue with the NIAID Director. Audio of presentation from the Sixth Annual Meeting of the Centers for Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance (CEIRS), New York, NY. The page you’re looking for isn’t available | NIH: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
    Google Scholar
 
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Double_A

TB Fanatic
You're supposed to read deep into the article to find the barely visable, on any of my devices anyway, dark blue text that links to an article out of Australia.

That's unacceptable

1) Author's Name
2) Publication date
3) Where/Who published
4) Direct Link to article

All required. Some of these articles are extremely important. People I share them with (Family) are super critical and dismiss them outright if above is not front and center. So they can see/read article for themselves. Those article that don't provide that info are suspect to many.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
so, the reward of manipulating bat virus was worth shutting down the world economy?
over $ 4 trillion in the US alone?

Show me the MONEY!!
 

dberszerker

Veteran Member
The new Darth Vader of the moment. Crappy little actor never thought he'd be this popular, now off to New Zealand with you...lol
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Took a bit of time but I think this is what's being referred to in the link...





mbio.asm.org

Research on Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus: The Way Forward
Anthony S. Fauci

7-9 minutes


DOI: 10.1128/mBio.00359-12

ABSTRACT
The voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should continue, pending the resolution of critical policy questions concerning the rationale for performing such experiments and how best to report their results. The potential benefits and risks of these experiments must be discussed and understood by multiple stakeholders, including the general public, and all decisions regarding such research must be made in a transparent manner.

The views expressed in this Commentary do not necessarily reflect the views of the journal or of ASM.

Commentary
The influenza virus research community is to be commended for implementing a voluntary moratorium on “gain-of-function” experiments related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus (1). As a key funder of influenza virus research, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a component of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, strongly supports the continuation of this moratorium pending the resolution of critical policy issues related to the rationale for performing and reporting such experiments. We need to be certain that the fundamental purposes of this work, together with its risks and benefits, are understood by multiple stakeholders, including the general public, and that decisions are made in a transparent manner.

It is clear that the scientists who conducted the experiments that triggered this debate (2, 3), and who are among those who voluntarily signed onto the moratorium, have conducted their research properly and under the safest and most secure conditions. However, the issue that has been intensely debated is whether knowledge obtained from these experiments could inadvertently affect public health in an adverse way, even in nations multiple time zones away. Putting aside the specter of bioterrorism for the moment, consider this hypothetical scenario: an important gain-of-function experiment involving a virus with serious pandemic potential is performed in a well-regulated, world-class laboratory by experienced investigators, but the information from the experiment is then used by another scientist who does not have the same training and facilities and is not subject to the same regulations. In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario—however remote—should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

Scientists working in this field might say—as indeed I have said—that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.
It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky. However, we must respect that there are genuine and legitimate concerns about this type of research, both domestically and globally. We cannot expect those who have these concerns to simply take us, the scientific community, at our word that the benefits of this work outweigh the risks, nor can we ignore their calls for greater transparency, their concerns about conflicts of interest, and their efforts to engage in a dialog about whether these experiments should have been performed in the first place. Those of us in the scientific community who believe in the merits of this work have the responsibility to address these concerns thoughtfully and respectfully.

Granted, the time it takes to engage in such a dialog could potentially delay or even immobilize the conduct of certain important experiments and the publication of valuable information that could move the field forward for the good of public health. Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern. However, although influenza virus scientists are the best-informed individuals about influenza virus science, and possibly even about the true level of risk to public health, the influenza virus research community can no longer be the only player in the discussion of whether certain experiments should be done. Public opinion (domestic and global) and the judgments of independent biosafety and biosecurity experts are also critical. If we want to continue this important work, we collectively need to do a better job of articulating the scientific rationale for such experiments well before they are performed and provide discussion about the potential risk to public health, however remote. We must also not rule out the possibility that in the course of these discussions, a broad consensus might be reached that certain experiments actually should not be conducted or reported.

In this regard, as part of an interagency process, the U.S. Government is planning to augment current policy guidance related to life sciences dual-use research of concern (DURC) (4) by developing a framework for strengthening regular institutional review and oversight of certain life sciences research with high-consequence pathogens and toxins in order to identify potential DURC and mitigate risks where appropriate. This policy implementation proposal will go well beyond H5N1 influenza virus to include 15 pathogens and likely will be modified to include additional examples of DURC. It will delineate the procedures for the oversight of DURC and the responsibilities of investigators, research institutions, and the U.S. Government. Ultimately, there will also be a companion guide to help institutions identify, assess, manage, and responsibly communicate to the public about DURC.

With regard to the specific question of whether certain gain-of-function experiments related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should be conducted at all, which addresses directly the issue of the moratorium, the U.S. Government is planning to host an international workshop before the end of 2012 with important input from the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity and with global representation, including those with biosafety and biosecurity expertise, influenza virus and non-influenza virus scientists, and representatives of the domestic and global public. The meeting participants will consider general principles concerning the rationale for and risks and benefits of such experiments and what lines might be drawn in their conduct and/or reporting.

The game has changed for influenza virus scientists and the agencies that support them. As researchers, we must realize that we are critical players in the process of policy and decision making related to DURC, but we are not the only players. Before embarking on certain types of research, we must ask ourselves critical questions about whether there are alternative ways to answer the research questions at hand. When no reasonable alternatives exist, we must take the scientific approach to making the argument for conducting such experiments before they are performed. The voluntary moratorium on the controversial issue of gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus is providing us the time and space we all need to work together and get this right, and it should be continued until we do so (5).
  • Copyright © 2012 Fauci.
This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license, which permits unrestricted noncommercial use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited.

REFERENCES
  1. 1.
    1. Fouchier RA,
    2. et al
  2. . 2012. Pause on avian flu transmission research. Science 335:400–401. doi: 10.1126/science.1219412.
    FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar
  3. 2.
    1. Herfst S,
    2. et al
  4. . 2012. Airborne transmission of influenza A/H5N1 virus between ferrets. Science 336:1534–1541.
    Abstract/FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar
  5. 3.
    1. Imai M,
    2. et al
  6. . 2012. Experimental adaptation of an influenza H5 HA confers respiratory droplet transmission to a reassortant H5 HA/H1N1 virus in ferrets. Nature 486:420–428.
    CrossRefPubMedWeb of ScienceGoogle Scholar
  7. 4.
    1. NIH
  8. . 2012. United States Government policy for oversight of life sciences dual use research of concern. NIH, Bethesda, MD. http://oba.od.nih.gov/oba/biosecurity/PDF/United_States_Government_Policy_for_Oversight_of_DURC_FINAL_version_032812.pdf.
    Google Scholar
  9. 5.
    1. Fauci A. S.
  10. 31 July 2012. The way forward in influenza research: a dialogue with the NIAID Director. Audio of presentation from the Sixth Annual Meeting of the Centers for Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance (CEIRS), New York, NY. The page you’re looking for isn’t available | NIH: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
    Google Scholar

A big THANK YOU!
I appreciate it.
The citations help immensely.

Without that info, many, maybe even a majority would think an article is just Click-bait.
 

Mprepared

Veteran Member
Someday the word scientist and science might be as bad a word as anti-COVID vaccine or the other word even worse, antivaccine or worse, anti-gooberment.
 
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Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
Feed the bastard alive to a million starving bats...




BREAKING: House Republicans Launch Investigation Into Taxpayer Funding of Wuhan Lab, Fauci's Reputation In Question


4-5 minutes




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On Friday, House Republicans launched an investigation into funding granted by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to EcoHealth Alliance, claiming they sent taxpayer money to fund the Wuhan Institute of Virology to see how coronaviruses could be transmitted to humans.

“House Oversight Committee Ranking Member James Comer, R-Ky., and Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, wrote that there has been ‘mounting evidence the COVID-19 pandemic started in the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Chinese Communist Party covered it up,’” Fox News reported.

“In a letter, exclusively obtained by Fox News, written to Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the NIH, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Comer and Jordan raised concerns that EcoHealth Alliance knew of the Chinese Communist Party’s attempts to cover-up the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic and failed to act or to inform the U.S. government,” Fox News continued.

“If U.S. taxpayer money was used to develop COVID-19, conduct gain of function research, or assist in any sort of cover-up, EcoHealth Alliance must be held accountable,” Comer and Jordan explained. “It is incumbent upon grant recipients to ensure their work is performed within the scope of the grant, advances our national interest, and protects our national security.”

EcoAlliance sent out almost $600,000 of the grant money to the lab over a period of six years according to FactCheck.org, to study “the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats”:

In 2014, the NIH awarded a grant to the U.S.-based EcoHealth Alliance to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. In 2019, the project was renewed for another five years, but it was canceled in April 2020 — three months after the first case of the coronavirus was confirmed in the U.S. EcoHealth ultimately received $3.7 million over six years from the NIH and distributed nearly $600,000 of that total to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, a collaborator on the project, pre-approved by NIH.

Dr. Fauci is currently in the hot seat is clearly trying to cover his tracks. During a Senate hearing on Wednesday, Fauci told Sen. John Kennedy that he couldn’t “guarantee” American tax payer dollars didn’t fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab.


“There’s no way of guaranteeing that, but in our experience with grantees, including Chinese grantees, which we have had interactions with for a very long period of time, they are very competent, trustworthy scientists,” Fauci said.
Fauci and Kennedy also had the following exchange:

Kennedy: “Here’s where I’m getting at: You gave them money, and you said, ‘Don’t do gain-of-function research.’”
Kennedy: “And they said, ‘We won’t.’”
Fauci: “Correct.”

Kennedy: “And you have no way of knowing whether they did or not, except you trust them. Is that right?”
Fauci: “Well, we generally always trust the grantee to do what they say, and you look at the results—”

Kennedy: “Have you ever had a grantee lie to you?”
Fauci: “I cannot guarantee that a grantee has not lied to us because you never know.”

Kennedy: “Can we agree that if you took President Xi Jinping and turned him upside down and shook him, the World Health Organization would fall out of his pocket?”
Fauci: “I don’t think I can answer that question, sir. I’m sorry.”
 

ohiohippie

Veteran Member
If somebody tarred and feathered him, hung him by his balls (if he even has any) then field gutted him it wouldn’t be enough!
EVIL SOULLESS REPROBATE FUGLY TREASONIST MAD SCIENTIST!
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I find peace knowing the real vengeance lasts throughout all eternity, and it is hell on em.

I find peace, knowing, due To the Prophecys that pertain to the end times laying it all out for us. Keep up the good fight folks, but rest in the truths we know so well To be absolute. There is hell to pay for those we have come to see as enemy’s of humanity. Criminals, perverts and so on and so forth.

There days are numbered. Don’t let the righteous hate get you down, do your best to be ready for the evil days ahead........some will get the opportunity to send some on their way to hell....maybe fortune will fall here.

I’m as pissed as anyone as the evil..........don’t get me wrong. I’d toast y’all, but I did the ivermectin and will follow with second round soon.....so staying off the bourbon.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
Boy he must of really po'd some big wig for them to let this information finally loose on flippy. They've kept his ties to the initial funding for the Bio-weapon lab for well over a year but all of a sudden they've turned off his protection in the media and it is slowly being released.

It should be interesting watching him try to twist his way out of this if they've pulled his covering and sicced their media arm on him.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Boy he must of really po'd some big wig for them to let this information finally loose on flippy. They've kept his ties to the initial funding for the Bio-weapon lab for well over a year but all of a sudden they've turned off his protection in the media and it is slowly being released.

It should be interesting watching him try to twist his way out of this if they've pulled his covering and sicced their media arm on him.

Have a look at this.
Sent to me in pm by one of our more
shady members......

IIRC, 50 minutes +\- ?

 

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

Veteran Member
This worthless rodent should be put in front of a judge and then charged with multiple counts of crimes against humanity. Well, actually now that I think of it, he will one day face a Judge, won't he.
 

mrrk1562

Veteran Member
So he does not give a crap
.and that means they do care about us .......when they become this brazing. Well you come to your own conclusions
 
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