SOFT NEWS 'Bloodstained Men' claim circumcision is 'evil' as they protest outside Super Bowl

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On TikTok, an elderly man known as 'Brother K' sporting a gray beard, fedora and glasses proclaims it a 'fundamentally evil' act.

To others, it is the 'worst human rights violation of the 21st century'.

What is this despicable crime of which they speak? The slave labor camps of Xinjiang? The Rohingya genocide?

No, this is the circumcision of millions of American men.

Some have taken matters into their own hands. On another far flung corner of the internet, a 'restorationist' shares his painful journey to reclaim his manhood.

Methods range from rudimentary 'manual stretching', 'extension devices' such as weights and elastic straps, to full blown surgical reconstruction.

But the 'intactivists' - as they are known - are not just confined to the internet.

This week, the radical 'Bloodstained Men' - founded by Brother K - took to the streets of Las Vegas dressed in white overalls with red paint splashed over their genitalia as the eyes of America turned to the Super Bowl.

You may giggle, or dismiss their rhetoric as hyperbolic lunacy.

But with the national rate of circumcision on the decline in the US, might the intactivists actually be winning?

America Uncut​

'I can't understand why anybody wouldn't be angry about somebody forcibly removing part of their penis,' says Harry Guiremand, a spokesman for the Bloodstained Men.

The group has carried out more than 500 protests across the USA in every state bar Hawaii and Alaska.

It is targeting the Super Bowl for the simple reason that it draws attention. (It's not known if the NFL has a strong stance on the issue - no one has asked - or whether Travis Kelce has had the snip.)

But America has always been a cut above its western counterparts when it comes to the procedure.
You may think this extreme, but the Facebook forum to which he belongs boasts 2,800 circumcised members, all sharing advice on how to grow back their foreskins with a variety of medieval-looking contraptions.

Although the national rate of newborn circumcision declined from 64.5 per cent in 1979 to 58.3 per cent in 2010, it is still comfortably above the 32 percent in Canada and 10 per cent in the UK.

At various points over the 19th and 20th centuries, foreskin removal was touted as a cure for paralysis, masturbation, or most recently infection.

But the medical community is now somewhat circumspect.

In 2012, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) was slapped down by the European Medical Community after it said the 'benefits' of circumcision 'outweigh the risks'.

AAP guidelines have not changed, but they do say that the benefits are not enough to recommend universal circumcision and it should therefore be a parental decision.

Dr George Denniston, founder of Doctors Opposing Circumcision, based in Seattle, Washington, has previously described medical literature promoting foreskin removal as 'bulls***', adding that it violated the first rule for doctors: 'do no harm'.
Now, not only are fewer American babies getting their foreskins cut, but more men appear to be growing them back.

The National Organization of Restoring Men (NORM) helps circumcised men create new foreskins, with local support groups offering emotional and technical support.

Its website lists a variety of recommended products, including the PeckerPacker, TLC Tugger and the terrifyingly named Supercanister. More on those later.

But first, to the restorers themselves.

Sean Kearney, a NORM co-ordinator in Cambridge, Massachusetts, has been trying to grow his foreskin back for more than six years.

'It's a mostly solitary process,' he says, without explaining his use of the word 'mostly'.

It can take up to ten years to achieve the desired results, which is why the NORM community is vital for people like Sean.

'A lot of people give up,' he adds. 'Progress can be sluggish, glacial even.'

Before the pandemic, Sean, 32, used to attend monthly support meetings in New Hampshire, with around ten other restorers.

Now, virtual meetings are the norm, but there is no shortage of online groups on Reddit and Facebook offering moral support.

Understandably, there are a dizzying array of anatomical queries.

'I've been restoring by hand for the last year and the other day I noticed I'm getting a whole lot of extra skin underneath my penis is that normal?' asks one.

'Have any of you gotten an erection while you're wearing your device?' asks another. 'What happened with it? Did it pop off? Was there pain? Etc…'

Some simply vent frustration: 'We have been robbed and mutilated. I'm not having a good day about it today.'

Meanwhile, veteran restorers gee up the crowd with inspirational speeches: '18 years ago today I started this foreskin restoration journey all I knew I wanted my foreskin.

'Little did I know the great journey I was to endure, a lot of emotions, personal growth, feeling my circumcised comatose brain awaken to full wide awake mode as I grew my foreskin, I never dreamed how incredible I would feel mentally and physically as I grew my foreskin.

'The more skin I grew the better I felt about myself. Now restored I love to see all you men restoring. And see how much restoring is changing you men also. I have been fully covered now around 13 years and the sensitivity continues to come alive every day of my life.

'Thank you to all you men for the great group we have.

'As I always say love, hugs, tugs forever.

'Men never give up until you hit your personal goal.'

Is this going to hurt?​

To the question on everyone's mind - which products work best?

Devices have been in production for decades, with Dr James Haughey, who was featured in a 2006 BBC documentary 'Mischief: Circumcise Me?', credited with inventing one of the world's first tapeless restoration kits.

Dr Haugher, who spent two years in the Army Medical Corps and ran a private medical practice in Los Angeles for 15 years, died in 2009 and his device waned in popularity.

But others have stepped in its place.

The Supercanister, which claims 100,000 men are now restorers, claims its 'professional design' will help you avoid 'embarrassing 'equipment malfunctions', such as the device slipping off onto the floor and 'drawing unwanted attention'.

It adds: 'You can also stand at a urinal and pee and no-one will know.'

The 'advanced restoration kit' costs up to $185.25 - size dependent - and includes a 17 ounce 'torpedo tugging weight', an adhesive to hold the 'inner skin to the supercanister' a tape remover, and of course, the supercanister itself.

It is essentially a 'tugging device', which works by applying outward tension on the existing skin.

The TLC Tugger can come with a variety of accessories, including a 13.5 ounce set of hanging weights for $103.50, a foreskin restoration jock and safety lace.

Its creator - Ron Low - has become a minor celebrity within the field, a status that owes as much to his musical talents as it does his restoration kits.

Ron, from Chicago, Illinois, writes songs about circumcision, such as 'Grow It Back Again', which features the lyrics:

'I'm gonna tug and grow my foreskin back again

'No it's not TMI, I shared it 'cause we're friends

'My parents chose this road but I'll choose where it ends

'Don't I deserve it all? Gonna grow it back again.'

Sean says there is no one-size-fits-all approach to foreskin restoration and that in the absence of official medical guidance, it can 'very much be trial and error'.

'The challenge in all of these cases is that your penis is an object that you need to use for various purposes,' he adds, choosing his words carefully.

'Having it occluded by these devices for significant periods of time…you just can't do that, because it's…it's an object that you need to use.'

Sean says his technique is 'very passive'. He uses 'manual methods' when he showers and wears a retaining device to apply gentle tension on the foreskin for the rest of the day.

'The hands on time is pretty minimal,' he adds.

A few restorationists try to expedite the process through surgical reattachment.

This, however, costs up to $3,5000 and is not recommended by NORM due to the risks involved, which says that no 'safe, effective' procedure has been developed.

Scientists are now in the process of developing foreskin regeneration technology, which works by removing cells from a donor's foreskin and then growing the patient's cells over the top.

The newly-grown foreskin would then be surgically attached to the customer's penis.

The technique is being developed by Foregen, a biotech firm based in Lynnwood, Washington.

A poll by the company found that 40 per cent of men would pay to get their foreskin back, with one in ten saying they would stump up as much as $20,000.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater?​

Would it be worth it?

As much as the benefits of circumcision are hotly debated, so are the rewards of restoration.

Anti-circumcisionists point to the sexual function of the foreskin. A Danish study did find circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties.

But estimates of the number of nerve endings it has vary from 20,000 to 100,000.

For the Bloodstained Men, it is a point of principle.

'We're all for restoration, but it's not our primary focus,' says group spokesman Guiremand.

'We want to stop the mutilation from happening in the first place.

'We focus on human rights, because I think that's the strongest case that everyone has the right to their own body.

'It's a violent attack. It's completely bizarre. It's comparable to female genital mutilation.'
This sort of talk has drawn criticism from parts of the medical community, including Brian Morris, a long-time advocate for circumcision and professor of molecular medical sciences at the University of Sydney, who has said some anti-circumcision activists have a 'cult-like devotion' to their cause.

Other medics say the backlash against some of the unscientific claims of the first half of the 20th century may have gone too far, causing people to ignore modern data that suggests circumcision could reduce penile cancer and HIV transmission.

Urologist Dr. Jack Lapides has said 'the analogy of throwing out the baby with the bath water has never been more applicable'.

Whatever your thoughts, maybe it's time to stop the puerile puns and take the matter seriously.

All sorts of bizarre pics at link
 

wobble

Veteran Member
Hmmmm..
I am getting a sigh-keek message that says this wont get much traction until the FTM's begin joining this protesting with those pants on.
 

RB Martin

Veteran Member
Another revolt against the Judaeo-Christian God who actually reigns in the heavens and on this earth. He owns their bodies not them. God commanded it for health reasons in the Old Testament. Get over it!

ETA: He did NOT command it for women. That muslim addition is wicked and unnecessary unless you are trying to subjugate and humiliate women.
 

Blue 5

Veteran Member
More people with too much time on their hands for navel... on in the case, pecker...gazing. Lord give me strength.

I sincerely hope that this is the most traumatic thing that ever happens to these "protestors", because if they had this done when they were babies they won't remember it.

The rest of us have much, much bigger concerns to deal with.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Before the pandemic, Sean, 32, used to attend monthly support meetings in New Hampshire, with around ten other restorers.


Some simply vent frustration: 'We have been robbed and mutilated. I'm not having a good day about it today.'

Dead men walking. These snowflakes are simply not going to survive the years ahead if they have to see therapists and attend support meeting because they were circumcised when they were infants.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
20 odd years ago I was making good money selling single use circumcision kits and gomco circumcision clamps to the activists from the Nocirc group. One guy's email was even wantitback@ nocirc.net

Another one told me that I could not imagine the good I was doing for the world by providing these things to them so they could set up displays at county fairs etc.

The circ kits just happened to be a decent collection of useful tools for wound repair, and that's what I was selling them for. They found them on my website at the time and started buying them for their activist activities and sharing the news with their fellow activists. I was laughing all the way to the bank.

RR
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Take it up with your parents. It was a choice THEY made. Wasn't forced on them.

And if this is the biggest issue you can come up with to champion in your life, you are truly blessed. There are real, challenging, way-of-life threatening issues going on for people in this country.
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I wasn't going to circumcise my son. My ex insisted. So I insisted on pain killers for him. I doubt they used a sufficient amount for the whole time,, but my son did not experience pain during the procedure. In my son's specific case, it has probably been a good thing for health reasons.

Parents make the best decision they can. There is still a surprising amount of pressure surrounding this decision.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
This is a little-understood issue. It is not a 'woke meme'. Circumcision causes significant nervous system damage as well as various psychological and emotional traumas. Do some research if you really want to know.

ETA: If you do the research, you will then be faced with the question, as kyrsyan pointed-out, re why there is so much pressure on parents to perform this procedure. This is a deep rabbit hole.
 
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Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Some individuals have to be victims to make themselves feel better to decry their stance. Another mental problem added to the long list of mental problems for those that need to moan about something.

Been circumcised for 73 years with no life problems.

Texican....
 
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Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
I have heard from friends who should know that adult circumcision, at least, reduces sexual pleasure. So, I am generally opposed to such for infants.
 

Creedmoor

Tempus Fugit
“I have heard from friends who should know that adult circumcision, at least, reduces sexual pleasure. So, I am generally opposed to such for infants.”

Don’t know of any infants into sexual pleasure.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
I have heard from friends who should know that adult circumcision, at least, reduces sexual pleasure. So, I am generally opposed to such for infants.

Many health sites provide the info that this is not necessarily true.

Circumcised vs. Uncircumcised​

An uncircumcised penis has a foreskin covering its head, while on a circumcised penis, the head is exposed. Research has shown there are no differences in how an uncircumcised penis and a circumcised penis respond to touch stimulation and orgasm. Similarly, circumcision doesn’t affect sexual function or fertility.
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Circumcision might have various health benefits, including:
  • Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. However, boys with uncircumcised penises can be taught to wash regularly beneath the foreskin.
  • Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later.
  • Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.
  • Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.
  • Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.
The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis.

Circumcision doesn't affect fertility, nor is circumcision generally thought to enhance or detract from sexual pleasure for men or their partners.

Texican....
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Although the national rate of newborn circumcision declined from 64.5 per cent in 1979 to 58.3 per cent in 2010, it is still comfortably above the 32 percent in Canada and 10 per cent in the UK.

My son was born in 1975 and was circumcised the following day. I was TOLD he was going to be circumcised, I was not ASKED. I did not get any information about the procedure nor did I sign any consent. I just thought this was normal for all male babies. Today, I find out ^^ that only 64% of male babies were circumcised in 1979!

Fast forward to 1989 - I was in the middle of my pediatrics rotation in nursing school and observing a newborn male circumcision. I was absolutely horrified at the restraints used, as well as the procedure, which took less than a minute.

Not sure how I feel about this now.
 

Sportsman

Veteran Member
Ask the opinion of a hospital or nursing home nurse that has to clean up old men in their later stages of life. You know, the men with bladder leakage, dribbling, and such that can’t or won’t practice decent hygiene.

Most I know are strongly in favor of it.
 

Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
... Circumcision doesn't affect fertility, nor is circumcision generally thought to enhance or detract from sexual pleasure for men or their partners.

Texican....
Well, I have heard that the difference is like the difference between dreaming in technicolor and dreaming in black-and-white. After all, the removed portion does have lots of really great sensory nerve enidngs that are lost forever upon circumcision.

Most adults I know who underwent the procedure said they did it for their SO, and it did indeed help extend their endurance. YMMV
 

Dreamer

Veteran Member
Infant circumcision is a billed procedure, covered by Medicaid in about a third of states.

And the foreskins become the property of the hospital, and they can sell them.

Lots of $$$ that can complicate the process.

I know of several boys who had to have reconstructive surgery after problems with their circumcision.

Perhaps worse, the academic work on transgenderism in children and raising a child in the opposite gender was due to a twin who lost his penis in a circumcision gone wrong. His parents were told to raise him as a girl. The psychiatrist they saw wrote it all up as a huge success story, even though the twins were young when they refused to continue seeing him due to his sexual abuse. The intact twin died of a drug overdose and the castrated twin committed suicide. Hardly the success they still claim…
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Circumcision isn't practiced among the men of our family. I think mainly because many of our family were born at home and didn't want a midwife attempting something like this (along with the risk of infection in home births at the time).
It's a personal choice for the parents of their male children. Our family chose not to. I'll be 60 this year and with no problems.

This group of whiny little victims are just trying to attract attention to what is effectively a personal choice and their perceived victim status. There's more important things in the world to worry about than cut or uncut willies.
 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
Anyone that will be making this decision will hopefully be motivated to find the research that shows that circumcision is not a good idea. Circumcision has a profound effect on the ability of sexual partners to forge a deeper bond.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
FWIW, I was clipped as an infant. As far as I know, it created no physical or psychological problems and I've had no complaints.

When my son was born I insisted that he was not to be clipped. I got some push-back from the hospital staff, but I was adamant and he did no go through the procedure.

It struck me then (and now) as an unnecessary mutilation of an innocent, infant boy. Ironically, when he was an adult and in the Army he elected to have it done. Obviously, I had no say so in the matter, but I had no objections. He was a grown man and had agency over his own body.

I still believe that it's a form of mutilation and - dare I say - child abuse and I am opposed to doing it on infant children.

Best
Doc
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
In junior high a friend said he was bickering with his sister about who was more expensive, boys or girls. His mother settled it, boys are, $10 more because you have to circumcise them.

Shadow
 
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