OT/MISC Bigamy is no longer a felony in Utah

lonestar09

Veteran Member


Bigamy is no longer a felony in Utah
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/harmeet-kaur
Updated 5:03 PM ET, Tue May 12, 2020

A group of pro-polygamy protesters rally at the Utah state Capitol on February 10, 2017.


A group of pro-polygamy protesters rally at the Utah state Capitol on February 10, 2017.
(CNN)A law effectively decriminalizing bigamy, when two people marry while at least one of them is already legally married, is now in effect in Utah.

For decades, bigamy was a third-degree felony, legally punishable by up to five years in prison and up to a $5,000 fine. The new law makes it an infraction, putting the offense on par with getting a traffic ticket.

The bill was signed into law by Gov. Gary Herbert in March and took effect on Tuesday.

Polygamy has been practiced in Utah by certain religious groups since before it became a state and continues to persist to this day.
Though the practice has long been illegal under state and federal law, the Utah attorney general's office has declined to prosecute the offense, except when it's committed along with other crimes.

The new law makes the attorney general's policy official. Supporters of the law say that reducing the penalty for bigamy removes barriers that previously prevented potential abuse victims from coming forward for fear of prosecution.

Bill's sponsor called previous law unenforceable

The bill passed the Legislature in February with overwhelming support, though it faced some opposition from advocacy groups who argued it normalized what they called an inherently oppressive practice and enabled the abuse of women and children.

Republican state Sen. Deidre Henderson, the bill's lead sponsor, called Utah's previous law unenforceable, saying that it didn't prevent people from engaging in polygamy, but instead isolated polygamous communities and prevented potential victims from reporting abuse.
"Vigorous enforcement of the law during the mid-twentieth century did not deter the practice of plural marriage," she wrote in an email to CNN in February.

"Instead, these government actions drove polygamous families underground into a shadow society where the vulnerable make easy prey. Branding all polygamists as felons has facilitated abuse, not eliminated polygamy."

Henderson wrote in an op-ed for The Salt Lake Tribune in February that some current and former polygamists had shared with her that they had been abused, but had faced pressure from their families to keep it a secret for fear of the potential consequences they could face in reporting to law enforcement.

"The history of raids and family separations, combined with the blanket ban on an entire lifestyle, leads to the fear that an investigation might break up an entire family, removing the children and incarcerating the parents," Henderson wrote. "That's a high hurdle, and so abuse is kept quiet."

Henderson added that she was not looking to legalize polygamy or the issuing of multiple marriage licenses, but was trying to "address the human rights crisis our law has created."

The new law codifies the Utah attorney general's policy of generally not prosecuting the crime of bigamy, except when committed along with other crimes, such as child abuse or sexual assault, or under false pretenses. It increases penalties in such cases.

"The intent of the bill is to eliminate the fear of arrest, imprisonment and having children removed into state custody in order to encourage more reporting, make investigating abuse easier, and lower the high barrier to community integration," Henderson told CNN in February.

Opponents say the bill normalizes polygamy

The Sound Choices Coalition, a nonprofit organization opposed to polygamy, condemned the decriminalization of bigamy when the bill was passed in February.

"This is abhorrent to us, many polygamist victims and other Utahn's who recognize that religious polygamy, as practiced in Utah and around the country, is responsible for many serious human rights violations," the organization said in a news release.

"Most who are living in these fundamentalist polygamous groups and families, are treated as property, forced to work without pay, traded as daughters, coerced into having unwanted sex, and into giving birth to numerous children they can not care for."

The organization called the bill a step toward legalizing the practice of polygamy and said it was concerned that the legislation would allow polygamy to grow.
 

Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Once when Mark Twain was lecturing in Utah, a Mormon acquaintance argued with him on the subject of polygamy.

After a long and rather heated debate, the Mormon finally said, "Can you find for me a single passage of Scripture which forbids polygamy?"

"Certainly," replied Twain. "'No man can serve two masters."


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Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is long over due! In a nation that allows homosexual marriage - which is anti-Biblical - there is no excuse to forbid polygamy, which (like it or not) is Biblical! There's nothing the law can do by way of punishment to any man that suffering through multiple wives and mothers-in-law could equal ;-)

Best
Doc
 

jward

passin' thru
For a prepping site many of you sound a wee bit short sighted.
...what happened to the sage wisdom "Two is one and one is NONE"?


I remain constant in my thoughts and feelings. I did not care b4, and
I continue to not care, what two or more mentally competent people
agree to amongst themselves. Then again, I do not want to support
some man's family because legally they're not family, so there are qualifiers.

The biggest one is of course: Do Not Break Your Babies. If you're tribe is
mentally spiritually and emotionally healthy enough to avoid that, then do as you wish.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
But...but...Jacob married both Rachel AND Leah! Surely that's all right!

...meanwhile, are you wearing tassels? And that better not be a cotton / poly blend or you are an abomination unto the Lord, somehow!
 

Scotto

Set Apart
But...but...Jacob married both Rachel AND Leah! Surely that's all right!

Actually the children of Jacob came from FOUR women. His two wives AND their hand maidens. These 12 kids of course multiplied into the 12 tribes of Israel.

...meanwhile, are you wearing tassels? And that better not be a cotton / poly blend or you are an abomination unto the Lord, somehow!

I wear tassels, and the command is not to mix linen and wool. Polyester is a type of plastic IIRC.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Actually the children of Jacob came from FOUR women. His two wives AND their hand maidens. These 12 kids of course multiplied into the 12 tribes of Israel.



I wear tassels, and the command is not to mix linen and wool. Polyester is a type of plastic IIRC.

...how in the world do you wear tassels? Are you going around ROBED? Trying to get tassels on a T-shirt and jeans sounds ludicrous.

And as it turns out, you're right about the linen / wool variation. That got dialed down to "two fabrics" in later translations. I apologize for the error.
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
I have no serious issue with polygamy. It's not and never could be for me, but it may work fine for others. The only issue I have with it (other than possible abuse issues, which may or may not exist) is financial. It is biblical, yes. BUT it's predicated on the ability of one man and his resources to adequately support multiple wives and their children. I have to wonder if this law might be a way to actually reduce polygamy, since it could possibly bar government benefits currently being handed out to 2nd & 3rd wives and their children. Probably, since I don't see any government being that smart.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I suspect that one major reason Utah is doing this is financial, both because it is a waste of time and resources to go after people doing something that legally (on paper) most of them are not doing anyway (only one paper marriage is usual in a family).

However, the other issue was hinted at by Willow Lady, and this that a large number of the small "sects" that head to the hills to practice polygamy (often with very young girls as wives) also directly encourage and life off "sister-wives" apply for welfare as "single-mothers."

This abuse of the system has gone on at least as long as there has been welfare for single Moms and it comes up in just about every "tell-all" book from members born into the group and/or joined one as adults and later left.

When polygamy was a felony, families would not only go to great lengths to officially hide it but the government had to "prove" the women weren't "single," in real terms.

Now that may be a bit easier - as, for me, I think legal contracts all around would be better; secular and not religious ones, but contracts that would spell out that Billy Bob is married to four women and those four women can't get welfare support unless they are legally separated (or the entire family qualifies).

But that's just me.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I support polygamy by CONSENTING ADULTS. I do NOT support fraudulently applying for government benefits. Ever.

Polygamy should be legal. Same sex marriage, not so much. (I had always supported same sex marriage - again between consenting adults - it was the "militant gay agenda" that I loathed. However, once homosexuals got the right to marry, the "agenda" didn't stop. On the contrary, it got worse. Because of that, I can no longer support homosexual marriage.)
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
If a husband is married to several women, the women won't be able to claim child support/welfare from any .gov agency. It is up to the husband to support them all.

If he doesn't, then the Courts can go after him for support. Should save the taxpayers some money.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
This is long over due! In a nation that allows homosexual marriage - which is anti-Biblical - there is no excuse to forbid polygamy, which (like it or not) is Biblical! There's nothing the law can do by way of punishment to any man that suffering through multiple wives and mothers-in-law could equal ;-)

Best
Doc
True. It won't technically be the Law which takes away peace and prosperity, as even moderately common polygamy does in societies. It will be the predictable utter and complete alienation into nihilism of the majority of the men there that does it.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
One question: What happened to the "marriage is between one man and one woman" that I used to hear all the time on TB2K?
I guess it's all relative

Anyway, many here haven't even been able to make it work with just one wife, let alone several.
My wife of almost 46 years is enough for me.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The issue TerryK is there are two different things that get lumped into one thing:

1. Marriage - usually viewed as a religious or spiritual commitment between (usually) two individuals that are blessed or performed in a religious context.

2. Secular Contracts/marriage "licenses" - the secular, mundane contract between individuals that spells out their legal rights and responsibilities after signing them in front of a judge, witnesses, or religious officiant.

Personally I would have preferred that the US (and Ireland) copy the idea from the old Nepolionic Codes that "marriage" or the "secular contract" is ONLY legal when done mundanely (in my countries like France or large parts of South America nearly everyone has two weddings, one at City Hall and the other at the Church).

Basically then anyone (or group) of ADULTS could sign a secular contract that has the same rights and responsibilities towards the other contractors as marriage does now.

Marriage would NOT be a secular issue, but up to Churches, Temples, Groves, Mosques, Whatever to perform as they saw or did not see fit.

Both Ireland and the US simply choose to extend the idea of secular "marriage" to any two not already married adults.

That's fine with me but it does open up these other cans of worms....

I don't want to see anyone forced to perform a marriage that violates their personal religious beliefs but I see no reason why ADULTS shouldn't be free to have variations on a legal theme if they wish to do so.

That includes ADULT polygamy or Polylandry, with the caveat that declaring oneself "single" for the purposes of welfare fraud is illegal and that people living together (in some circumstances) can be deemed "common-law" for purposes of things like welfare and some support payments.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
One more quick observation, few people realize it but one of the main reasons governments even tend to care about "marriage" is the property and custody issues that come up when it either hasn't or can't occur.

This was becoming such a huge problem in the UK that a few years ago a labor government seriously looked into just declaring "all" "cohabiting" couples of more than a few years (I think five) as being "common law married" for the purposes of custody laws and property.

This had such a monumental backlash (from lawyers, judges, human rights folks, etc) that it was quickly dropped like the hot potato that it would have turned into.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
The article stated that polygamy is NOT legal - it's just not a felony. You can still get arrested and charged for practicing it. And, the major reason they changed it to a lessor crime is in order for those in polygamist relationships who are being abused to be able to come forward and get help without fear of being charged with a felony.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I have no serious issue with polygamy. It's not and never could be for me, but it may work fine for others. The only issue I have with it (other than possible abuse issues, which may or may not exist) is financial. It is biblical, yes. BUT it's predicated on the ability of one man and his resources to adequately support multiple wives and their children. I have to wonder if this law might be a way to actually reduce polygamy, since it could possibly bar government benefits currently being handed out to 2nd & 3rd wives and their children. Probably, since I don't see any government being that smart.
Actually the financial is the only objection I have to any marriage. If you can not afford it, you can't do it. I have the same thoughts about children. Society has over ruled me on this issue.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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This is long over due! In a nation that allows homosexual marriage - which is anti-Biblical - there is no excuse to forbid polygamy, which (like it or not) is Biblical! There's nothing the law can do by way of punishment to any man that suffering through multiple wives and mothers-in-law could equal ;-)

Best
Doc

Just because the Bible reports something does not mean that God condones it. Abraham alone screwed the rest of history because he screwed two women … despite having Sarah's consent and encouragement.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
I wouldnt want to live that way, however, if the husbands and wives are in agreement, who cares what they do as long as they provide for their own families.

I do not condone someone having multiple spouses that do not know about it. All parties must be aware.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
I don't want to see anyone forced to perform a marriage that violates their personal religious beliefs but I see no reason why ADULTS shouldn't be free to have variations on a legal theme if they wish to do so.

That includes ADULT polygamy or Polylandry, with the caveat that declaring oneself "single" for the purposes of welfare fraud is illegal and that people living together (in some circumstances) can be deemed "common-law" for purposes of things like welfare and some support payments.

Because if polygamy is common, most women will pick sharing a rich alpha over a boring her-vag-stays-dry beta/delta. That inexorably leads to most men (under 15% of men are alphas, and most of those aren't rich) being shut out of the sexual (and thus marital and fatherhood) market except for lifelong sub-3.0s. and aged-out harem castoffs. The latter are likely to have one or more of unsupported bastard castoffs, huge debts, seriously BAD attitudes ("it's all men's fault my life s*cks, and since YOU'RE a man, it's YOUR fault!!!!), and gone through a horrible fatapocalypse, as well as being total alpha widows. Oh, and those discards are unlikely to want any more children (unless they want to up off the C.S. check count), even if they aren't post-35 and all but age-barren anyway.

Think the great mass of men in such a society are going to be peacefully acceptant of their fate and maximize their economic productivity? Well, just look at U.S. inner cities, Haiti, subSaharan Africa, and the low/no-oil areas of the Mideast to see just what that looks like. IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE POLYGAMY IS LEGAL AND COMMON, JUST GET A PLANE TICKET TO ONE OF THOSE PARADISES, AND LEAVE THE WEST ALONE!
 
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