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WalknTrot

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Biden Preparing Plans to Evacuate Americans From Taiwan: Report​


Spencer Brown
June 12, 2023 10:15 AM
Townhall.com
Biden Preparing Plans to Evacuate Americans From Taiwan: Report



While the Chinese Communist Party continues escalating its threatening behavior toward the island nation of Taiwan, the Biden administration is reportedly preparing plans to evacuate Americans should the situation on the ground become so dire that a rapid departure is necessitated.

First reported in an exclusive from The Messenger based on conversations with three sources familiar with the plans, the Biden administration's work to prepare for an evacuation of U.S. citizens began roughly six months ago and has "heated up over the past two months or so," according to a "senior U.S. intelligence official" quoted by The Messenger.

These preparations have not been publicly confirmed by the Biden administration, a reality sources who spoke to The Messenger attributed to it being "a sensitive subject for the Taiwanese government" because of the appearance given by the United States preparing to scoop all its citizens out of the country, even if the plans are being made out of an abundance of caution and are not set to be imminently used.

Given the Biden administration's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan — one which saw Afghan refugees falling from the landing gear of military aircraft departing Kabul, 13 U.S. service members killed by a suicide bomber, and a lack of vetting and coordination that saw an unknown number of American citizens and our allies left behind to fend for themselves against the Taliban — there are lasting questions about the administration's ability to safely run an evacuation.

According to a State Department publication from 2019, "there are over 80,000 U.S. citizens in Taiwan" on any given day, meaning the Biden administration would certainly have a tall order on its hands if it decided, suddenly, to get all Americans out of the country should China take action to launch an invasion or attack against Taiwan. Given what the administration oversaw in Afghanistan and, more recently, in Sudan, there's plenty of reason to doubt Biden's ability to guarantee Americans' safe passage out of Taiwan if it comes under attack.

Here's what, according to The Messenger, the Biden administration would face:

The details of the U.S. plans are still being worked out, sources told The Messenger, including where U.S. citizens might be evacuated if it were deemed necessary.
All agreed: Any evacuation from Taiwan would pose multiple challenges.
“The physical geography of Taiwan is a big factor,” one source said, adding that there is often only one main route between any two points and that the mountainous island’s many tunnels could become chokepoints. If evacuations were ordered, it is likely that hundreds of thousands of other foreigners in Taiwan – and Taiwanese citizens – would be on those roads as well.
General State Department guidance urges citizens abroad to use commercial transport to leave ahead of a crisis, but that’s not always possible – and certainly not in the event of a surprise assault. “Once the shooting starts it’s very, very difficult," Cancian said. He pointed to the challenge of maintaining safe corridors for evacuations and humanitarian aid in Ukraine as an example.
In Taiwan, the main airports are on the island’s China-facing west coast and might well be under attack in the event of an invasion. Chartered vessels might be sent in place of commercial planes, but again, war would render that option difficult if not impossible.
“Imagine a D-Day invasion and then a third country – Switzerland or something like that – wants to send a cruise ship through the U.S. fleet to Normandy to pick up its citizens,” Cancian said.
In some of the most harrowing evacuations in U.S. history - Saigon in 1975, or Kabul in 2021 - the U.S. military was enlisted to help as a last resort. In Taiwan, the current U.S. presence is limited to some 200 troops - up from just 30 last year – and even that presence is a source of tension with China.
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The planning was also, according to The Messenger, spurred by Russia's invasion of Taiwan, one that took place after the Biden administration wasted months of time trying to get Beijing to talk Putin out of invading its neighbor.

As Townhall reported, the exercise in futility only drew Putin and Xi closer together, and now both threaten the United States' leadership on the world stage.

More via The Messenger:
The official said a “heightened level of tension” had driven the preparations. “It’s nothing you wouldn’t read in the news,” he told The Messenger. “Forces building up. China aligning with Russia on Ukraine.”
A source familiar with the matter cited Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine as an impetus for the planning. “Ukraine drove a relook at what the plans were,” he said.
The U.S. government hasn’t discussed the preparations publicly. The State Department declined a request for comment. While Pentagon spokesperson Lt. Col. Martin Meiners declined to comment directly on the planning, he said, “We do not see a conflict in the Taiwan Strait as imminent or inevitable.”
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Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Methinks if I were concerned for my personal well being, I would skedaddle on my own rather than count on the Biden Regime for ANYTHING.

Afghanistan was just a rehearsal for what they REALLY have planned.

The question for the Biden Regime is "How can we cede the island to China without extensive damage to infrastructure?"

Biden's biggest fear is the Taiwan natives will burn it to the ground rather than give it to China. And somehow this should be stopped and stopping pictured by the MEEDIA as "preserving lives of LGBTQRST who will be over-run in the invasion."

Optics is EVERYTHING.

And woe be to those who actually stand up to China.

Or even themselves...

Dobbin
 
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WalknTrot

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Telegraphing defeat/retreat instead of confidence and strength. The hallmark of this administration.

He should be dropping media leaks that he'll nuke Beijing and her little dog too if the Chicoms even think about it.
 
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Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
While I would love to blame this all on Biden, the program to evacuate US citizens in the face of a sudden war or natural disease has been a hash job for decades. I've written before that just before I left the civil service, we at AFDC (that's right, the people who oversee the Federal Welfare program). I will not recount the whole saga again, only that it involved a message that we had 24 hours to prepare to deal with a mass evacuation of US citizens from South Korea. No one, not even my boss, knew precisely what that meant. We got vague information that we would report to airports and ports to "receive" people and help them fill out paperwork we had never seen ourselves. It ended up that the evacuation didn't happen (this was under Clinton), probably because of a silly lack of training on our part. The information became public, and over twenty years later, I learned a planned attack by the US on North Korea had been called off for "unspecified reasons."

I don't suspect the planning is any better today than it was then, especially given how bad the evacuation of Afghanistan went, followed by the complete abandonment of US Citizens in Sudan. I reported then that even Ireland managed to work with other European countries (including the United Kingdom) to evacuate their citizens. As far as I know, the United States was one of the only countries that did absolutely nothing. Even some third world countries did their best or again worked with first world nations to get their people to safety.

That was shameful and sickening, but in some ways, Afghanistan is worse. If Congress/Executive Branch wants any Federal Agency to be able to take on these duties with less than 24 hours' notice, they need to train people at least once a year to do it. Ensure the managers are current on what will be needed and that employees know what to do. Otherwise, this entire program is a joke.
 
Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I sure hope that the "plan to fail" includes medical isolation & treatment - an initial bombardment most likely won't include bio-warfare - but if Taiwan puts up a defense that starts costing China planes & ships and an especially a humiliating missile strike on the China mainland ports >>> expect China to start to use a stand-off offense - and China going in doesn't care or want to deal with a decades old independent rebellious population - Taiwan WON'T be a Hong Kong
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Also, Hong Kong worked ONCE. Now, no one will believe any treaty or agreement tries to make about "One Country, Two Systems" because they broke that agreement long before their fifty-year experiment was up. It was before Nightwolf died, so China said a couple of years ago: "That's it, the experiment is over, Hong Kong is now a full part of China, and we will control the government there."

That won't work with Taiwan. No one will ever believe them, especially not the Taiwanese. I gather there are plans for the locals to simply pull a "Masada" of sorts, only instead of killing themselves, if it looks like they will lose, they will "kill" (aka blow up and destroy) the chip plants that China wants. So China might get the land but not the industry or technology they want. Nor will they get a compliant population, unlike their "hidden" populations in the East of China. The whole world will be watching what happens in Taiwan.
 
danielboon

danielboon

TB Fanatic
The Russian president began to speak to the Chinese one. "I will give you the land with all the people, but you must free Taiwan of the Americans. Do not fear, we will attack them from behind."

A voice said to me, "Watch where the Russians penetrate America."

I saw these words being written: Alaska; Minnesota; Florida.

Then, the man spoke again, "When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning."(dumitri Duduman)
 
Wildweasel

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Melodi said:
While I would love to blame this all on Biden, the program to evacuate US citizens in the face of a sudden war or natural disease has been a hash job for decades. I've written before that just before I left the civil service, we at AFDC (that's right, the people who oversee the Federal Welfare program). I will not recount the whole saga again, only that it involved a message that we had 24 hours to prepare to deal with a mass evacuation of US citizens from South Korea. No one, not even my boss, knew precisely what that meant. We got vague information that we would report to airports and ports to "receive" people and help them fill out paperwork we had never seen ourselves. It ended up that the evacuation didn't happen (this was under Clinton), probably because of a silly lack of training on our part. The information became public, and over twenty years later, I learned a planned attack by the US on North Korea had been called off for "unspecified reasons."

I don't suspect the planning is any better today than it was then, especially given how bad the evacuation of Afghanistan went, followed by the complete abandonment of US Citizens in Sudan. I reported then that even Ireland managed to work with other European countries (including the United Kingdom) to evacuate their citizens. As far as I know, the United States was one of the only countries that did absolutely nothing. Even some third world countries did their best or again worked with first world nations to get their people to safety.

That was shameful and sickening, but in some ways, Afghanistan is worse. If Congress/Executive Branch wants any Federal Agency to be able to take on these duties with less than 24 hours' notice, they need to train people at least once a year to do it. Ensure the managers are current on what will be needed and that employees know what to do. Otherwise, this entire program is a joke.
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A buddy worked in Iran before the revolution and the people on that contract were prepared by their employer with British passports and lessons on how to look/act Canadian. And they were told "Don't bother with the US Embassy if TSHTF. Go to the British or Canadian embassy and they'll take care of you."

The only person I met who was evacuated from Iran by the US was in a military detachment that was picked up by an Air Force plane ad-hoc hop-scotching around Iran picking up people at bases. And that was fouled up enough that they almost ran out of fuel before reaching friendly territory. They landed safely but ran out of fuel on the runway while still rolling down the runway.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
WalknTrot said:
Yeah, and lots of exposure and logistical problems along that AlCan highway. :lol:
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Seems like the invasion points are all at states that are either heavily populated by hunters or by gun owners in general.

Not saying that God can't make that happen--especially if that oh-so-controversial harpaizo happens first--but it does seem a mite unlikely.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Publius said:
Taiwan is a major manufacturing country and they cannot arm train their own citizens?
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They are and they do.

Which will make an outright invasion of Taiwan a messy affair.

Methinks China would actually rather "infiltrate" Taiwan - much as they have infiltrated the US.

Provide a large portion of what they need at bargain basement prices.
Invest a significant amount of money into the nation "because its a good investment."
Invest a significant amount of money into the political process "because it's a good and short investment return."
And then sit there having "bought in" to the nation, use it as a fiefdom to service your needs.

Sun Tzu strategy. Conquer your enemy without firing a shot.

Enemy conquer themselves with their own weaknesses. (Sex, entertainment, engagement, money, services.) All one has to do is provide the means.

Dobbin
 
raven

raven

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OK Joe, We can't defend both Ukraine and Taiwan, we will have to do one or the other.

Can we beat China?
No.
Can we beat Russia?
Maybe.

Then screw Taiwan. Anything we need from them we can get from China.
 
AlfaMan

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Publius said:
Taiwan is a major manufacturing country and they cannot arm train their own citizens?
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They are armed, and trained. And FAR more vicious than people give them credit for.

There's a drive, a spirit in the ROC people most don't see. The Kumontang (KMT) (sorry can't spell) are still a major force in ROC's political day to day life. And the KMT are hardcore conservatives and make our most hawkish politicians look like our communist democrats. Blood and soil aren't abstract constructs to these folks-they mean it.

And there's nukes there, and bio weapons and all kinds of stuff just waiting to be used on the Chinese communists. All quietly done and nobody even thinks they can defend themselves. They can.


In 1950, Formosa's main (only) export was apples. A year after abandoning the mainland to a forgotten backwater island with a military and govt. in tatters-and yet they still had exports.

Fast forward to today, and the ROC is one of the world's top economies. You can guarantee the ROC troops and population will fight to the death for their freedom. Think of the CSA-with Chinese subtitles.
 
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Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
Wildweasel said:
A buddy worked in Iran before the revolution and the people on that contract were prepared by their employer with British passports and lessons on how to look/act Canadian. And they were told "Don't bother with the US Embassy if TSHTF. Go to the British or Canadian embassy and they'll take care of you."

The only person I met who was evacuated from Iran by the US was in a military detachment that was picked up by an Air Force plane ad-hoc hop-scotching around Iran picking up people at bases. And that was fouled up enough that they almost ran out of fuel before reaching friendly territory. They landed safely but ran out of fuel on the runway while still rolling down the runway.
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My grandfather was running the Grumman F-14 program in Iran before the revolution. He had 2200 employees abandoned by Jimmy Carter in Iran. He hired Pam Am airlines to bring in a fleet of their wide body jets to fly them all out. In the end it worked out without having to resort to that. He had been to palace dinners with the Shaw present and hated what Carter did to that country. Now there is a substantial likelihood that a thermonuclear war will
result from Carter's regime change and betrayal of the Shaw.
 
sy32478

sy32478

Veteran Member
raven said:
OK Joe, We can't defend both Ukraine and Taiwan, we will have to do one or the other.

Can we beat China?
No.
Can we beat Russia?
Maybe.

Then screw Taiwan. Anything we need from them we can get from China.
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Not quite. China doesnnot have the technology nor the chip fabs that Taiwan does. They are mega expensive and China doesn't have the tech to run the tech needed for high end chip making.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
As I noted in the "China threatens to invade Taiwan" thread the number of US citizens on Taiwan at about 11,000. To put it another way, that would be 30 Boeing 767-400ER flights, assuming you could get everyone to the airport and get the aircraft in and out "unmolested".
 
L.A.B.

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
AlfaMan said:
They are armed, and trained. And FAR more vicious than people give them credit for.

There's a drive, a spirit in the ROC people most don't see. The Kumontang (KMT) (sorry can't spell) are still a major force in ROC's political day to day life. And the KMT are hardcore conservatives and make our most hawkish politicians look like our communist democrats. Blood and soil aren't abstract constructs to these folks-they mean it.

And there's nukes there, and bio weapons and all kinds of stuff just waiting to be used on the Chinese communists. All quietly done and nobody even thinks they can defend themselves. They can.


In 1950, Formosa's main (only) export was apples. A year after abandoning the mainland to a forgotten backwater island with a military and govt. in tatters-and yet they still had exports.

Fast forward to today, and the ROC is one of the world's top economies. You can guarantee the ROC troops and population will fight to the death for their freedom. Think of the CSA-with Chinese subtitles.
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30 years ago I trained with a young man (26 years old). He was from Taiwan. His uncle was a MA Teacher, wrote books taught.

He would require his nephew in his youth in Taiwan, to swim across a river between their homes, stand on the back porch wet, as uncle completed his tea. Then dry off, and begin training.

Hardship from the get-go. His BIL was Taiwanese SF. Would train to go in cover great distances (100 miles) in a few days as I recall, do the duty, and exfiltrate on his own with little help.

He told me just before our first contact sparing on a racquetball court, that his BIL was the only other person / professional that wanted to spar full contact.

My first two lessons I brought my own rag to wipe blood off the floor. No broken bones, but I wish I knew about Arnica then.

His heart was all in. He still loved his Island. I think that’s what we had in common with Stephen from ‘Braveheart.’ We each LOL, had an island.

I have not seen him since 1993. Later that year I met a MMA Longshore friend that had 25 years in the art as an adult by that time in MMA. The convenience of working / similar schedules, and his shared 2-A hobby made it a better deal. Plus I didn’t have to wipe my own blood off the floor. Win-Win!

Tough People. Willing to go all the way!
 
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Old Gray Mare

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Fair use.

There are predictions China's population is due to collapse in less than a generation due to the repercussions of the One Child Policy. Also reports of pending pension collapse, currency collapse and real-estate collapse. The lying down movement is a kind of passive aggressive form of civil unrest that's uniquely Chinese. The Belt and Road Initiative looks to be in trouble. China is a mess. A war would be a distraction.

Could this all be misinformation and propaganda? Some of it most definently. All of it? I doubt it.

After watching the communist FUBAR currently in process in the video below, if true, I'm feeling much better. China is already having problems feeding it's people. The drought last year caused huge problems. This isn't going to help.

And 82,000 rural administrators enter Rural China! CCP Prepares for massive unemployment & war​

China Insights
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xTMkOCtTGo

run time 21:39
 
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Old Gray Mare

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There is one thing no one has been talking about. With as centralized as mainland China's government has become I'm wondering how few of their elites would have to be taken out for Taiwan to either win or destabilize the country to the point it's no longer a threat?
 
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