Be prepared for disaster

Martin

Deceased
Be prepared for disaster
By Marvin Olasky
Thursday, August 31, 2006

As comedienne Joan Rivers used to say, "Can we talk?" Now that the networks have done their Katrina anniversary Bush-bashing, may we (I'm avoiding the grammar sheriff) say something about individual responsibility?

The thing is this: Some folks who suffered at the Superdome or Convention Center were there not because their homes were flooded, but because they were foodless. Had some of these individuals kept a week of food, water and other supplies at home, they might have spared themselves much misery.

The politically correct police are on my tail: I'm "blaming the victim." Well, some folks victimize themselves -- and not just in New Orleans, and not just poor people. When Hurricane Rita in September seemed about to hit Houston, many who evacuated by car and found themselves in multi-hour traffic jams had not brought with them grab-and-go backpacks with food, water, medicines, personal-care products and cash.

So how should we prepare? Heads of households should keep in mind that:

-- The average person should drink at least two quarts of water or other liquids per day. An additional gallon per day is typically used for washing, food preparation and washing clothes and dishes. The best way to store large quantities is in 55-gallon drums, which can be cleaned of bacteria by the addition of 10 teaspoons of scent-free bleach. Other water can be stored in two-liter soda bottles, with freshening by four drops of bleach. Water from clean bathtubs and hot water heaters is also usable.

-- Wise people stockpile food; fools rush in to supermarkets when a crisis occurs and shelves may be empty. The key is to buy some extra food that stores well, especially if kept in a cool, dark place. Canned meats and vegetables, protein or fruit bars, dry cereal or granola, peanut butter, nuts, dried fruit, crackers and canned juices all require no refrigeration and little preparation. Those with camp stoves or other non-electric means of boiling water may add rice, beans and pasta, kept in a rotation system so that new purchases are put at the back.

-- Health supplies should include not only prescription medicines and basics like vitamins and aspirin, ibuprofen, or Tylenol, but also moist towelettes, cleansing agents such as isopropyl alcohol and hydrogen peroxide, antibiotic ointment, antiseptic, cotton balls, scissors, tweezers, needles, bandages, thermometers, medicine droppers, tongue depressor blades, anti-diarrhea medication, antacids, laxatives, syrup of ipecac, burn ointment and various sizes of sterile gauze pads, bandages and dressings.

-- Other useful items include a Bible and other books, vitamins, a supply of cash, extra pairs of prescription glasses or contact lenses, matches, paper towels and plates, toilet paper and garbage bags, plastic utensils, pens and paper, materials to keep children busy and a battery-operated radio with a large supply of batteries. The very young will need diapers and perhaps formula, the old may need extra hearing aid or wheelchair batteries.

-- Hurricanes and earthquakes often knock out power sources, so provision for light, heat and cooking is still important. Lanterns, flashlights and matches, warm clothing and blankets and outdoor grills or camping stoves with a supply of propane all are useful.

This list is obviously not comprehensive, but it suggests the need for some planning. Planning is also important in the selection of family-rendezvous sites, escape routes and out-of-state contact persons for times when communications go down and confusion goes up.

Planning also reminds us of the limitations of the "soft despotism" warned of by Alexis de Tocqueville, in his wonderful 1830s book "Democracy in America." He feared that Americans might slowly submit to "an immense, protective power which tries to keep them in perpetual childhood. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry." Well, maybe we have submitted, but New Orleans residents learned last year that soft despots are not reliable.



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CarolynA

Veteran Member
I know several people who have NO extra food in their homes. They prefer to go to the store every day & buy what they need for that day only. They don't want to clutter up their cupboards. I asked one lady, who is in her 60s, what she would do if we had a power outage for a few days. She said she would just stop at McDonalds in town on her way to work. :shkr: It just amazes me that there is anybody left who doesn't get it!
 
I know several people who have NO extra food in their homes. They prefer to go to the store every day & buy what they need for that day only. They don't want to clutter up their cupboards. I asked one lady, who is in her 60s, what she would do if we had a power outage for a few days. She said she would just stop at McDonalds in town on her way to work. :shkr: It just amazes me that there is anybody left who doesn't get it!

DUH!! How does the lady expect McDonalds to be open with out power? I too know a lot of people who never buy groceries, their excuse is, we are never home and the kids eat at the babysitter's house. In my neck of the woods, we have tornados and snow storms. When a big snow storm is about to hit, that's when people flock to the stores.
 

amarilla

Veteran Member
MIL thinks I'm crazy for stocking up. "You already have two cans of ____."She has open shelves and they're almost bare so it will look sleek or something. I don't know.

A
 

sssarawolf

Has No Life - Lives on TB
How many learned after that big snow storm in NY a few years ago when even the trucks couldnt get food to the stores. A few but not enough. I sure dont understand this concept of not wanting to take care of yourself. There are so many reasons for at least haveing 2 weeks of food in the house. Every area has something that can happen to keep you home bound or in need of taking care of yourself for a few days.
We also know people who go to the store every day for their food. That encludes buying a Qt of milk because a gallon would last a week. :screw:
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I sure dont understand this concept of not wanting to take care of yourself.

It's simlpe really. The gooberment WANTS you to be dependent on them. They DO NOT want you to think for yourself. And since most people take the path of least resistance, off-loading personal responsibility is easy, as well as attractive. Look how well it worked in NOLA.... :rolleyes:
 

momof23goats

Deceased
Iwas trying to xplain to a young mother about storing water, if the grid goes down, she looked at me and said no problem, I will go to the river and get water .now everyone knows around here, the river is contaminated. so I reminded her of that, she said, oh, thats only in the summer time. I will get it in the winter duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!so I had t oexplainagain and again.she still shook her head. couldn't understand that she can't go t othe store, or the river. and just drink hte water.
I explained about maybe distilling the river water, after she runs it through something like a berky. never did get it.
we have friends that arein their 60's, they say, that they will let fema take care of them. I reminded them, that fema didn't do such a hot job,in NO. sh said then we will come to you. I said wrong!!!!!!!!!!!! no you won't.
 

TIK

Inactive
I'm no expert by any means, and I actually don't have all that high an opinion of my skills or intelligence. Be that as it may, even IIIIIIIIII get it, and have done my best to prep for SOMETHING over the last few years. It may not be perfect, I may STILL not own any guns (sorry -- not that I don't want to, but money comes and goes in my family), and I got 6 55 gallon drum that used to be soy sauce containers and I haven't a clue how to clean them out...but I have extra food, 2 fully functional 72 hour kits completely customized in backpacks purchased off of EBAY for about 20 bucks each...extra canned fruits, vegetables, chili, stew...oh I could go on.

The point I'm making is...

IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!

And for all you that think us LDS have our act together, trust me...the 80/20 rule applies to our church membership as well. 20% get it, the rest sort of don't care, think people are alarmists, will "get it" tomorrow, etc, etc. VERY sad. My own fellow church members...slack jawed and blank stares when we speak of prepardness. Even SIMPLE "Walmart level" type of preparedness. Or you get the response JUST LIKE THAT OLD LADY ABOVE....I'll just go to McDonald's.

That KILLS me. Are we soooooooooooooooooooooooooo programmed that we can't even think outside of the box enough to know that if the grid is down at your house, and your city, then your MCDONALD'S WON"T BE SELLING FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHeeeeeeeeeesh
 

adgal

Veteran Member
I got 6 55 gallon drum that used to be soy sauce containers and I haven't a clue how to clean them out

Hi Tik!

Have you tried bleach and water to clean them out? We also add Kool-Aid, Tang - things like that to our storage in case the water has a slightly funny taste. (Kind of like adding Kool-Aid to the water at camp that has the sulfur taste. )

Something I want to add here. Last week-end I invited a woman to my home for dinner. She is on welfare, single mom, harsh life - so, I thought coming into a fairly normal home for Sunday dinner might be anice break for her. She and I visited in the kitchen while I cooked and she saw that my cupboards were FULL. Then she asked me for some money because her welfare check and food stamps weren't going to be in until Friday. This woman smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day and drinks Mountain Dew like water.
I realized that because we had full cupboards she figured we were rich and had plenty to spare. She didn't realize that you can't stock up like that overnight - it takes months/years to get to that point.

Anyway - I am going to be a little more careful about who is viewing our food storage. I sure don't mind sharing - but I would prefer it be on my terms.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
I know several people who have NO extra food in their homes. They prefer to go to the store every day & buy what they need for that day only. They don't want to clutter up their cupboards. I asked one lady, who is in her 60s, what she would do if we had a power outage for a few days. She said she would just stop at McDonalds in town on her way to work. :shkr: It just amazes me that there is anybody left who doesn't get it!

About 30 years ago I worked in an area that was prone to winter power outages. One day after power had been down for about 2 hours I told my boss I was going to drive home for lunch.

The lunch hour traffic was heavy and made even worse by no traffic signals. After 15 mins and only having traveled two blocks I figured screw it. I'll turn back and eat at Taco Bell across from work. Pulled into the parking lot and noticed handwritten signs saying they were closed due to the power outage.

OK, I'm getting frustrated now, I figure I make the best of it and fill up my gas tank at the Service Station about 200 yards away. You guessed it, closed the gas pumps work on electricity.

Really frustrated now I figure just turn around go back to work and get a cup of coffee and a candy bar out of the vending machine. OK, so you see where this is headed, vending machines don't work without electricity and neither does the coffee maker.

Yea I was clueless until that day. Everyday thereafter I took a thermos of boiling water to work. My desk was stocked with "Cup-a-soups"; hot cocoa mix, teabags instant coffee and a few candy bars. Clueless no more I'd learned my lesson.

Well, sort of, you see I was a store security manager and my job was to chase down shoplifters. Later on I was in my office alone with a "subject" typing up an arrest report when the power went out. Pitch black, alone with a combative shoplifter. He made a dash for the general area of the door passing behind me. I quickly stood up and my chair rolled back in his path. Gee sorry about that, he fell forward into my chair and rolled headfirst towards the wall and fell to the ground.

Next day I had a $10 power fail light, that turns on when power goes out. You learn, obviously your neighbor has yet to or she hasn't experienced these things. She better get a clue damm fast or she's gonna die.





B-T-W in 90F weather with 90% humidity two quarts of drinking water won't begin to keep me from dehydration. If I'm doing rescue work digging and pulling the remains of a house off a buried person it won't even replace sweat. Also after disaster injuries are a problem, without the ability to keep scratches and wounds clean in the heat and humidity you can have severe consequences. I recommend in my classes 3 gallions per person per day for one week minimum and preferably two weeks.
 

barb43

Membership Revoked
Oh, i can relate, adgal. I have one tenant (and i get fairly close to my tenants -- don't have that many) who is on Section 8, with a 13-yo son at home. She works at Wal-Mart (and has for 7 or 8 years), but she's just scraping by financially. She has 3 or 4 payday loans, can't keep the gas turned on and gets the phone turned off for nonpayment every so often. I can't figure out what her deal is -- She's making a little over $8/hr. but this is a low cost of living area. She never has any food in the house, which her son gripes about all the time. I can't figure out what she does with her pay!

Anyway, because i own the rentals, she thinks i'm rich (no, i'm not -- i'm in debt over my eyes with this business!). She thinks i should let her slide on paying rent about every other month so she can pay on her little loan shark loans. I'm about to get onto her again and tell her this must stop -- I have bills to pay too! I would not invite her to my house (she has hinted that she could clean house for me!) because i'm afraid it would be a really bad idea in the long run. I thought she was moving out this summer (getting married) but that fell through. Section 8 just reapproved her so she can stay another year if she will pay up. (Section 8 pays a portion but not all of her rent).

In the long run, i don't know 'how' this woman would survive if tshtf. :sht:
 

Hermit

Inactive
It may not be perfect, I may STILL not own any guns (sorry -- not that I don't want to, but money comes and goes in my family),
I don't know if anyone has told you this, but you can get a Curio and Relic license from ATF that will allow you to buy old surplus military rifles on the internet and have them delivered to your door. You can save a lot of money - almost all of these guns work perfectly once cleaned. You can get a good rifle for $80-150 delivered, or a good handgun for $150 delivered.

The license costs $30 and is good for 3 years iirc. It will pay for itself on your first purchase, since you can get wholesale prices. Go to http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm and check off F 7CR (5310.16) to get the application.
 

Mowgli

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==> We also add Kool-Aid, Tang ...

I use powdered Gatorade(tm). Great for when you're working outside all day. I used to keep single pouches of the poudered stuff when I was in the military. Every time I filled up my canteen, I poured it in. Great stuff.

I now buy the large cans of the stuff at Sam's. It's cheaper than the individual packets. I think I've got enough stored away to convert about a dozen 55 gal drums of bad tasting water into Gatorade.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
Anyway, because i own the rentals, she thinks i'm rich (no, i'm not -- i'm in debt over my eyes with this business!). She thinks i should let her slide on paying rent about every other month so she can pay on her little loan shark loans. I'm about to get onto her again and tell her this must stop -- I have bills to pay too! I would not invite her to my house (she has hinted that she could clean house for me!) because i'm afraid it would be a really bad idea in the long run. I thought she was moving out this summer (getting married) but that fell through. Section 8 just reapproved her so she can stay another year if she will pay up. (Section 8 pays a portion but not all of her rent).

In the long run, i don't know 'how' this woman would survive if tshtf.

Lately, I have been introduced to a whole new "side" of society. I didn't realize that in my 40+ years of life I had been so sheltered. These folks who grew up on and through the welfare system have his entitlement belief - the world "owes" them. I really worry about that kind of belief system coupled with a disaster. Could they rationalize taking supplies from us because “we’re rich and they never got this kind of an opportunity?” Is this what prompted the looting during Katrina? Will we actually have to defend ourselves against this whole welfare community when disasters arise? I used to think that I could open my doors and share – but, from my limited experience, I don’t think these folks want to share – I think they want to take it all. :sht:
 

teadrinker

Senior Member
MIL thinks I'm crazy for stocking up. "You already have two cans of ____."She has open shelves and they're almost bare so it will look sleek or something. I don't know.

A

You must know my MIL....:lol:

We have suggested that my MIL should get some extra food in her house for both her and my FIL.....she says "no, I don't want that mess in my house!!"

These are people who have a huge house, and like amarilla's MIL, my MIL shelves are also bare....I mean really bare....and her frige is empty...she shops on Friday mornings....and the only thing they eat all week long for breakfast is 1 chocolate donut and 1 cup of coffee...no lunch....and then a small supper. BUT yet their closets are FULLLL of clothes...

I'm sorry, but I just cannot figure it out. I love them, and would take care of them in a heart beat, but I just cannot figure out why they have such a problem with getting a little extra food in the house!

Rant off.
teadrinker
 

KenGin31

Veteran Member
When the government told the people in Miami ,"don't expect any help for 72 hrs ". It was like a swarm of ants had been let loose.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Lately, I have been introduced to a whole new "side" of society. I didn't realize that in my 40+ years of life I had been so sheltered. These folks who grew up on and through the welfare system have his entitlement belief - the world "owes" them. I really worry about that kind of belief system coupled with a disaster. Could they rationalize taking supplies from us because “we’re rich and they never got this kind of an opportunity?” Is this what prompted the looting during Katrina? Will we actually have to defend ourselves against this whole welfare community when disasters arise? I used to think that I could open my doors and share – but, from my limited experience, I don’t think these folks want to share – I think they want to take it all.

adgal... yep. Part of my mom's family was/is like this. She and her siblings grew up in the depression years... very, VERY poor. She and her older brother worked their butts off all their lives and (with help from ability and God, obviously) did well financially. Not wealthy... but definitely didn't need to worry about money.

The youngest sister figured life owed her a living. Went through 3 marriages, several other "live in" arrangements (I think she's on her 4th- or could be 5th- marriage now in her mid 70's), had four kids with two different husbands.

Those kids behavior make their mother look like a saint. Drugs, alcohol, jail, 4 kids each with 4 different fathers... no marriages. Welfare as a way of life.

And my Mom helped them out occasionally until it became obvious that they not only expected it, but also weren't at all shy about expressing both the expectation and their displeasure when it wasn't "enough".

She finally cut them off completely. But the pattern continues, with cousins my age (40's) having grandchildren, and in one case, GREAT grandchildren. Still without benefit of marriage or any sense of committment.

Folks like this have NO compunction about demanding "help" (which reads- give them everything they want and do it NOW!) and seeing anyone who has "more" than they do as being someone who ought to be "helping" them out.

And yes, if you do help them... it never ends.

I contrast that with our own situation, where we've been in tough times more than once. I've dragged myself out to the garden the day after getting out of the hospital and began weeding, crawling because I was too weak to walk. Yes, people have been wonderful and have helped us out with things like meals and even small cash donations... but as soon as we got on our feet, we began to "pay it forward". The idea of demanding help... or being anything but grateful that it was given... is foreign to us.

To others, the idea of being grateful for what they obviously believe is their due is foreign instead. These folks will be dangerous when TSHTF.

Sometimes it's difficult to tell which side of the fence someone is on... and we help them and then find out they're the using type. About all you can do is be careful how you help in the beginning (not allowing access to your home, keeping most of your personal details private, especially about things like finances and preps) and when someone proves to be less than trustworthy, back off fast.

Summerthyme
 

adgal

Veteran Member
Summerthyme -

From the first post of read of yours, I knew that you were a smart lady - and now I know that you are a great one.

Thanks for the advice.

adgal
 

Brutus

Membership Revoked
To all of you who have mentioned that "other" part of society and their entitlement attitude:

It's bad to say, but this is why preppers need lots and lots of ammo.

I'm as serious as a heart attack.

There are a whole lot more of them than there are of us.

:(
 

janecj333

Membership Revoked
Barb,

You said "I can't figure out what she does with her pay."

My first thought is drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, junk food, gambling (inc lottery tickets).

Back when people still paid for groceries with food stamps, I was appalled to see families with kids whose grocery carts were loaded with sugar-sweetened cereals, cookies and candy, tv dinners, potato chips, pop, beer, cigarettes.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
There are a whole lot more of them than there are of us.

Scary and true.

So, I have to ask myself - can I shoot someone in cold blood? I know I could do it to protect my children, I know that I could do it in self-defense. And perhaps, if what we saw during Katrina happens - both of those scenarios would be happening too.
 

barb43

Membership Revoked
Barb,

You said "I can't figure out what she does with her pay."

My first thought is drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, junk food, gambling (inc lottery tickets).

Back when people still paid for groceries with food stamps, I was appalled to see families with kids whose grocery carts were loaded with sugar-sweetened cereals, cookies and candy, tv dinners, potato chips, pop, beer, cigarettes.

I suspect that she has a TBN addiction, honestly. I've been around them enough to see that they have very little food in the house. I have given them bags of rice and bags of beans and some canned goods . . . I was going to give them some Hormel heat 'n eat entrees but after yesterday's episode and today's (we went to check on the AC at lunch and found she has installed a locking doorknob on her son's bedroom and it was locked -- closet w/the cha unit is in that room), i would be hard pressed to help this woman any further. :sht: (there are getting to be more and more of them; in many cases this welfare mentality continues from generation to generation, and they are beginning to acost people more openly -- at least around this town.)

And to answer your question, Wiscontessa, i pay the water on this triplex but tenants must pay electric and gas. Knowing that she was in such dire straits, i turned the gas on in my name last winter "to help out until you get some of your bills paid down." I am this close: \-\ to suggesting she simply move out, soon as she gets caught up (hopefully next Thursday). Y'know, i don't help out too many people, financially, but i really bought into this gal's "sincerity" (she's a single mom, strong Christian woman, trying to get sorted out from the divorce she went through - ex ran off with another woman, etc.). (Somebody hit me upside the head and knock some sense into me!) I've left this gal a message to call me this evening because "we need to have a serious talk."

Yes, these people -- this subculture w/ the entitlement mentality -- are going to make our lives tougher in time, even if the s doesn't hit the f any time soon!!
 

adgal

Veteran Member
You know what's wrong with us - we were raised to be polite and caring. WE were raised not to make anyone feel uncomfortable - even if they are making us feel uncomfortable. WE were raised to have empathy and to bascially trust people.

NEW GAME - most people take advantage of people like us. And we aren't helping them - we are enabling them to continue down this unnatural path.
The grasshoppers are supposed to die - the ants make it through the winter. In our society the grasshoppers steal, coerce and are entitled to the ant's rewards.

So - we have to change ourselves and our attitudes. (I'm yelling at myself now. :) )
 

okie medicvet

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You know what I have been poor in the past, and for a period of time was on welfare, and thank God that I am not there today. I may get enough money to get by even if I have to really pinch at times like when I went on my vacation..this past month was something else..I took out a 'payday loan' myself..and I found out that those things are unfreakingbelievable in their interest rates! you have to pay a huge amount just to 'hold them' and that is only for a few months and then you have to pay them but then you get one to pay them back..I am telling you that I can only imagine it would be VERY easy to someone who doesn't have anyone in their family or any friends to loan them money with no or only a little interest but has an emergency and needs the money to get very caught up and trapped in it.

I love how easy it is for some to go ahead too and take the circumstances about ONE person and overgeneralize and put them in a stereotype without knowing the whole story.

You know I pray to GOD that I always remember where I was at in my life and that but for the Grace of God go I, and to not be overly judgemental and holier than thou about stuff.

And I am going to be praying for that poor lady that is caught up in the trap of the payday loan thing. I do know that once mine is paid off I will never do that again and that is for sure..90 dollars to borrow 300...(and if you don't have the whole 390, then they just take out 90 every month for months until you do???) ACK!


And what on earth is a 'TBN addiction'?
 

Thyme

Under His Wing
MIL thinks I'm crazy for stocking up. "You already have two cans of ____."She has open shelves and they're almost bare so it will look sleek or something. I don't know.

A

I became a prepper when my son's were born. My SIL ( who has been defaming me since she entered the family ) referred to me a food horder.

She has the showroom house too and the attitude that goes with it. :screw:
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Okie,
You should never take out a loan to go on vacation. Never.

People need to learn to distinguish between wants and needs. I have a casual acquaintance (family of three with a daughter who is 14) that really has a problem in this area. They live in a run down, thirty year old mobile home that has holes in the floor that are so bad, the only thing keeping them from falling through is the carpet.

He has been on disability for 20 years and his wife can only work part time, otherwise he will lose some of his pay. They are constantly taking out payday loans and not paying them back. Because he is on SSDI, he cannot be garnished. They have filed bankruptcy three times. The last time they had $30,000 on one credit card, plus other unsecured debt. When he has had a credit card, I see him use it frequently for going out to eat, movies, cds, computers... They have a lot more "fun" on the weekend than my family does.

Recently he traded one of his vehicles back to a car dealer he has done business with for years to get about a thousand dollars so he could go to Wisconsin Dells. They blew it all in three days. The holes are still in his floors, but at least he had a great time.

His daughter will turn out to be as much of a tick on the ass of society as he is. In the fall of last year his mother died. He signed a contract with the funeral home making him solely responsible for the costs associated with the funeral. His brother and sister paid him their share of the costs. Guess what he did. He took his daughter out of school for two weeks and they went to Minneapolis and blew it all. By Christmas, his daughter had missed so much school that he was going to be taken to truancy court, so he pulled her from school and "home-schooled" her. This is a guy who didn't make it through the tenth grade. She will not graduate high school.

Lately, they have been taking their daughter to the doctor and have them convinced that she has anxiety disorder and something which sounded like an ovarian cist. The cist diagnosis didn't make sense to me as they claimed there was no way to physically diagnosis it, but the doctor determined it from her lethargy and other symptoms. I guarantee you they are going to get her on disability as soon as they possibly can.

I never discuss prepping with him. If I did, the first thing I would suggest he buy is a bullet proof vest. If he comes to my place during a disaster, he'll need one.

Best Regards,
 

amarilla

Veteran Member
I don't get MIL. She grew up fairly poor but likes those shelves. She thinks her house is worth a lot and maybe the area has gone up in price but the buyer will be after the land, not the house.

I just hate trying to get through the grocery store with kids. I forget things. We have the rule that if you touch it for sure I won't buy it which helps but they still distract. I'd rather have a bunch at home so I don't have to go out with them.

A
 
You know what's wrong with us - we were raised to be polite and caring. WE were raised not to make anyone feel uncomfortable - even if they are making us feel uncomfortable. WE were raised to have empathy and to bascially trust people.

NEW GAME - most people take advantage of people like us. And we aren't helping them - we are enabling them to continue down this unnatural path.
The grasshoppers are supposed to die - the ants make it through the winter. In our society the grasshoppers steal, coerce and are entitled to the ant's rewards.

So - we have to change ourselves and our attitudes. (I'm yelling at myself now. :) )



Sounds as tho' you perfectly understand how things REALLY are.

Reality might suck, but it IS reality.
 

barb43

Membership Revoked
You know what's wrong with us - we were raised to be polite and caring. WE were raised not to make anyone feel uncomfortable - even if they are making us feel uncomfortable. WE were raised to have empathy and to bascially trust people.

NEW GAME - most people take advantage of people like us. And we aren't helping them - we are enabling them to continue down this unnatural path.
The grasshoppers are supposed to die - the ants make it through the winter. In our society the grasshoppers steal, coerce and are entitled to the ant's rewards.

So - we have to change ourselves and our attitudes. (I'm yelling at myself now. :) )

Boy, you hit the nail on the head! I hate to stop helping people where/when i can, but i don't like the being taken advantage of, and the lack of gratitude! I don't want anyone to kiss my feet, but by golly a little humility or show of gladness/relief (whatever!) would go a long way!

Your analogy between the ants & grasshoppers sent a chill down my spine -- those grasshoppers sure can destroy a lot of good growth.

And yes, i have been yelling at myself for 2 days now . . . I have to calm down so i can have a rational discussion with this woman. :rolleyes:
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
There are two types of people in this world, Givers and Takers.

Be a giver and surround yourself with the same, shun the takers as they will sap the life out of you in a dozen different ways
 

barb43

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Thanks, adgal! ;)

[Okie, a "TBN addiction" occurs when one leaves TBN on the tv from the time they get up till they go to bed at night (yes, it's one of the channels we can get here w/o cable). . . and then the person believes all that they hear on TBN, and (here's where the trouble comes) they send $ and $$ and $$$ to the various preachers on that network campaign after campaign, program after program, one request for an offering after another. A person such as this becomes "prayer partner" with one show after another; "sows a seed" when asked, believing that the greater the hardship she then places herself in the more God will magnify His blessings on her and the more rewards of riches she will gain. (This gal had $200 on her last week but i didn't catch her at home before she went to hear a visiting pastor speak at one of the charismatic churches and darned if she didn't feel led to donate $100 to him . . . which left her $100 to pay me, and still no food in her house.)]/end of thread drift (i promise i'll stop ranting -- i have calmed down some)
 

okie medicvet

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Okay, thanks, I was wondering if it was a new drug, lol!

And sub-zero, I didn't take out the loan to GO on vacation (except I didn't pay my parents rent that month since I am living in a place they own and paid them double THIS month so I am caught up with that.) I took out a loan because when I got back things were so tight that when something unexpected came up and they were out of town I took out an online loan when I couldn't reach my folks to borrow it from them. Like I said, that is the first and LAST time I will ever do that, but having done it I can easily see what kind of trap it can become after looking at the outrageous interest rates they charge.

Perhaps instead of looking at someone harshly when they don't know any better one can sit down GENTLY and have a long FRIENDLY discussion with them on ways that can be found to budget better and get out of a 'loan trap' or how to prioritize better to make sure that bills are paid? When I spoke to my parents about not paying last months rent, it was a good four months ahead of the fact, and they were okay with it, or the vacation would not have been possible, and I wouldn't have gone.

I will say that the next vacation I end up taking not only will I plan out the vacation, but will have a small nest egg for when I get back as well..just this time I did otherwise because it was the only week my daughter was done with summer school and had a break until moving into the dorms and beginning her fall semester at NSU. I don't regret it one bit as it did give us some time together and we had a ball and lord knows when we will have time like that again.

But I did leave with 4months food in the house. And I did leave with two other bills paid two months ahead. What I do need to realize is that no matter how well one plans unexpected things to pop up.

But some people just never have known of any other way, and rather than have someone come off as judgemental, if they had someone sit down and try and work things out with them overall I am just saying it might be a better approach, and is worthwhile trying at least once, ya know?
 

HuntingWolf

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==> We also add Kool-Aid, Tang ...

I use powdered Gatorade(tm). Great for when you're working outside all day. I used to keep single pouches of the poudered stuff when I was in the military. Every time I filled up my canteen, I poured it in. Great stuff.

I now buy the large cans of the stuff at Sam's. It's cheaper than the individual packets. I think I've got enough stored away to convert about a dozen 55 gal drums of bad tasting water into Gatorade.

No, it will not.

Believe me, if your water tastes like your licking the floor of your basement and you add gatorade, it will now taste like you dump gatorade on your basement floor. It only adds to the taste.

Better get a good filter before any more gatorade.
 

barb43

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We treat the water in our barrels with bleach when we store it and it tastes great after about 3 days (when everything has died and sunk to the bottom :lol: ). Our city water is pitiful.
 

psychonautbuddy

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She finally cut them off completely. But the pattern continues, with cousins my age (40's) having grandchildren, and in one case, GREAT grandchildren. Still without benefit of marriage or any sense of committment.


And yes, if you do help them... it never ends.

Yea! The heathen will out breed the hard-working, god-FEARING, Calvinists! Not only will the poor "ALWAYS be with you", HEY, they will BEST you and your children with a flood of their numbers. You will NEVER escape them! All this and more: Big FAT Welfare mothers with hoards of snotty gang-banging kids, millions of starving Afrikaans, their hands outstretched & flies in their eyes, West Virginia coal mining morons, East L.A. roaches, Saudi breeding programs pushing a whopping 4% reproductive rate... They're breeding faster and faster, hell, they're TAKING OVER!

Evolution/De-evolution, get used to it. Everything goes in cycles...

-Psychonautbuddy
 

SouthernGal

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You know what's wrong with us - we were raised to be polite and caring. WE were raised not to make anyone feel uncomfortable - even if they are making us feel uncomfortable. WE were raised to have empathy and to bascially trust people.

NEW GAME - most people take advantage of people like us. And we aren't helping them - we are enabling them to continue down this unnatural path.
The grasshoppers are supposed to die - the ants make it through the winter. In our society the grasshoppers steal, coerce and are entitled to the ant's rewards.

So - we have to change ourselves and our attitudes. (I'm yelling at myself now. :) )

I was just saying this exact thing to a friend last night. We have definitely got to change our own attitudes. We must. Am I a Christian? You bet. But that doesn't mean I'm going to allow one of the DGI's to kill me for my food if/when TSHTF. I would lay down my life for Christ or my family but not for a looter or the US .gov.
 

dissimulo

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And to answer your question, Wiscontessa, i pay the water on this triplex but tenants must pay electric and gas. Knowing that she was in such dire straits, i turned the gas on in my name last winter "to help out until you get some of your bills paid down." I am this close: \-\ to suggesting she simply move out, soon as she gets caught up (hopefully next Thursday).

Barb,

You are a much nicer landlord than I am. My experience has taught me the following:

1. I tell the tenants nothing about my life. I don't show up at the building wearing nice clothes. I drive my old truck. They imagine I'm rich anyway and compared to them, I certainly am - but I try not to feed their imaginations.

2. I cut them no slack whatsoever. I used to be a nice landlord and I got screwed without exception. Not immediately, of course, but once you establish that you are a nice guy, they start to expect you to tolerate a late pay here, a short pay there, and soon they are dodging you.

3. I only select tenants with a good track record. If they don't have good references from their landlords for the last 24 months, they are out, no exceptions.

4. I make them read the lease. I sit down and tell them to read it before they sign and I don't allow them to gloss over it. If I don't see the eyes tracking back and forth, I tell them to start over. I used to always get the excuse - "Well, I didn't read the fine print!" I don't get that excuse anymore.

5. Once they've read the lease, I show them copies of the paperwork for previous evictions and I tell them to make note of the fact that I have done evictions before and know the process quite well. If they have money problems, they are to pay me first or they will not have a place to live.

Since I became a jerk, I have had no problem tenants. Everybody seems to always have enough money to make rent.
 
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