DISASTER Bahamas Missing Toll from Dorian Rises to 2,500

[Doomer Doug]

The "officials," in the Bahamas are now saying that the number of possible victims from Hurricane Dorian is now 2,500 people not found yet. How many more will never be found, because they floated out to see and ended up in the food chain, is unknown. Personally, I see now reason my initial estimate of 10,000 is far off the mark. As usual, many of the poorest, the Haitian refugees living in the "shantytown," that looks like a Tactical nuke hit it, may never be accounted for. Amazing, how the spin control is still saying that only 50 people died there. Sheesh, the lies they tell.

https://apnews.com/00c2382aaafd4ef2bd84cac8f7b21964

Tentative list of the missing in Bahamas has 2,500 names
11 minutes ago

FREEPORT, Bahamas (AP) — An estimated 2,500 people are listed as missing in the Bahamas in Hurricane Dorian’s aftermath, the government said Wednesday. But it cautioned that the names have yet to be checked against the rosters of people evacuated from the devastated islands or staying in shelters.

Carl Smith, a spokesman for the country’s National Emergency Management Agency, said he expects the list to shrink as it is checked.

More than a week after Dorian smashed thousands of homes on the country’s Grand Bahama and Abaco islands, the death toll stood at 50 and was expected to rise, with search-and-rescue crews still making their way through the ruins.

While power has returned to much of Grand Bahama, Smith said the electrical infrastructure around Marsh Harbour, Abaco’s largest city, was destroyed.

 

[WalknTrot]

A lot of people grabbed a flight to the mainland.

 

[Doomer Doug]

And a lot of people are buried under the massive debris piles, or floated offshore never to be seen again. The official dead rate is 50, WHICH IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF JUST HOW THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THE TRUTH.

 

[Texican]

Sad, that so many did not leave when they had the time....

May God bring peace to those lost and to their families and friends.

Texican....

 

[SuElPo]

May God give comfort to the families of those lost.
Susan

 

[Hawkgirl_70]

Can I ask here... why don't they want to admit to more than 50 deaths?
I don't understand.
Death happens in a hurricane, why hide death and the missing totals?

 

[WalknTrot]

Can I ask here... why don't they want to admit to more than 50 deaths?
I don't understand.
Death happens in a hurricane, why hide death and the missing totals?

They aren't finding that many bodies. At least yet. It's possible that some washed out to sea. Also possible that the missing persons list is not up to date and a lot of the "missing" just haven't checked in with the authorities. It happens all the time.

 

[Publius]

I think they are going to come to the conclusion many of them were washed out to sea.
Looking at videos of the islands and one guy was saying he watched them load 30 to 40 bodies on a flat bed truck just a day after they said only 30 or so have been found dead and the count did not change.
So a good deal of this is unreported or someone within the government is doing themselves and country a big disservice.

 

[mzkitty]

The local news coverage here has been extensive, naturally. The place was totally annihilated. There are a lot of poor people there. Aid from many sources in the US, including military, has been going to them and will be. Only some people can get out since they have no money or their papers aren't in order. They need passports and visas too, I think. We only had one family coming into this airport today, and they will be staying with family. At any rate, I was going to go on the net and see what aid Britain has been giving them, seeing as that's who owns them, but I can't sit here for long, so I'll do it when I can. I haven't heard that they've done anything though. Which would suck.

 

[Cardinal]

Sad, that so many did not leave when they had the time....

May God bring peace to those lost and to their families and friends.

Texican....

Pretty sure that the "ones who did not leave" simply could not afford air fare.

 

[Publius]

The local news coverage here has been extensive, naturally. The place was totally annihilated. There are a lot of poor people there. Aid from many sources in the US, including military, has been going to them and will be. Only some people can get out since they have no money or their papers aren't in order. They need passports and visas too, I think. We only had one family coming into this airport today, and they will be staying with family. At any rate, I was going to go on the net and see what aid Britain has been giving them, seeing as that's who owns them, but I can't sit here for long, so I'll do it when I can. I haven't heard that they've done anything though. Which would suck.

Yes they need help but the Bahamas because of all the Tourism is a very rich country.

 

[mzkitty]

Yes they need help but the Bahamas because of all the Tourism is a very rich country.

I'm sure, but the people are poor.

 

[night driver]

Texican, where ya gonna go when the flight to the US costs twice what ya make in a year?

gotta remember that they are on ISLANDS and not a lot of buildings ANYWHERE can withstand CAT V-for-a-dozen-hours-winds.


Oh, and let me know when the leading digit is >5 and they add another zero to the chain.

 

[tanstaafl]

At any rate, I was going to go on the net and see what aid Britain has been giving them, seeing as that's who owns them ...

The Bahamas aren't "owned" by Great Britain and Great Britain apparently is under no legal requirement to send so much as a box of doughnuts as aid. The Bahamas are instead a sovereign country with a political/economic affiliation to a bloc of countries called the Commonwealth. Interestingly enough, Wikipedia says that only 16 of the 53 members recognize the Queen of England as their head of state, with five of the 53 recognizing a different monarch entirely, so it's not as simple as pointing to Great Britain and saying "there lies all the power." As far as I know a lot of the Queen's political power within the Commonwealth is more formality and ceremony than not, but from my experience you pretty much have to have been born under a parliamentary system to even begin to understand one (and even then I wouldn't be surprised to find out a lot of those people don't understand it either).

"The Commonwealth of Nations, normally known as the Commonwealth, is a political association of 53 member states, nearly all of them former territories of the British Empire. … The Queen is the head of state of 16 member states, known as the Commonwealth realms, while 32 other members are republics and five others have different monarchs. Member states have no legal obligations to one another." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations)

If you really want to read up on it, here's a short piece on the subject:

Role of the Crown and the Governor General
https://www.ourcommons.ca/About/Compendium/ParliamentaryFramework/c_d_rolecrowngovernorgeneral-e.htm

 

[Doomer Doug]

Fact one is Hurricane Dorian hit those islands with sustained 185 mph winds, along with a MASSIVE storm surge of 25 feet or so. Finally, the local powers that be are in a tourist economy so there is no way they are going to admit dead amounting to several percentage of the 70,000 on that island. The airport was also under water, six plus feet, so there was no air evac.

We all saw the aerial pictures of near total devastation island wide. We also have numerous, credible reports of potentially "hundreds" of "rotting corpses." And the people who washed out to see, from a 25 Foot High Storm Surge are never going to be seen again: EVER.

At any rate, the idea that three days after the event, you still only have 50 dead is pathetic. I posted a story where Sidney Poiter's family had 23 people missing in that one family.

It sure took Epstein's elite pedophile ring off the front page, and his "suicide/murder" also went down Orwell's memory hole.

I doubt we will ever get an "official" death rate, and "they" will be insisting ten years from now that only 100 people died.

It is just like the Jaws movie and the town Mayor, "Shark, what Shark?"

 

[Doomer Doug]

And here is how you end up with several thousand DEAD in the Bahamas. The fact it is a Detroit media source saying this confirms the local media has been ordered to cover the true extent. Again,a 23 foot storm surge forces people into their attics where they drown.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...ttics-dorian-submerged-whole-houses/40114001/
People drowned in their attics as Dorian submerged whole houses
Michael McDonald and Ezra Fieser, Bloomberg Published 3:41 p.m. ET Sept. 11, 2019 | Updated 3:44 p.m. ET Sept. 11, 2019

Teams of dog handlers from the U.S., Canada and Belgium are uncovering more and more dead bodies among the debris of Bahamas homes hit by Hurricane Dorian, the Health Ministry said.

The Category 5 storm was so powerful that it drowned people who had been seeking refuge in their attics, swept others out to sea, and crushed steel-reinforced concrete structures, according to Health Minister Duane Sands.

“To imagine the combination of 200 mph winds, a 20-25 foot sea surge, torrential rain, the power out, communications out and you have, and this is no cliche, a perfect storm,” Sands said in a phone interview Wednesday.

 

[Luddite]

Yes they need help but the Bahamas because of all the Tourism is a very rich country.

Publius, the people are poor. I've been to Bimini and Nassau. I would describe slum conditions within walking distance to the tourist area of Paradise Island. The out islands are the same I imagine. Was down there during a hotel worker strike once.
A West Virginian should know that tourism dollars don't always "trickle down".

 

[The Traveler]

And a lot of people are buried under the massive debris piles, or floated offshore never to be seen again. The official dead rate is 50, WHICH IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF JUST HOW THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THE TRUTH.

In 1900 a hurricane hit Galveston Island killing over 6000 people. The bodies were so numerous that it overwhelmed the island. Many of the bodies were loaded onto a barge, taken out into the gulf and put overboard. Not to long after that, the bodies began washing up along the Texas shore line.

I am not saying that the death toll won't rise but the bodies of the souls that "may have been" washed out to sea will more than likely return.

 

[Millwright]

In 1900 a hurricane hit Galveston Island killing over 6000 people. The bodies were so numerous that it overwhelmed the island. Many of the bodies were loaded onto a barge, taken out into the gulf and put overboard. Not to long after that, the bodies began washing up along the Texas shore line.

I am not saying that the death toll won't rise but the bodies of the souls that "may have been" washed out to sea will more than likely return.

The currents are a lot different in the Bahamas. It's out in the gulf stream, which is moving north at a pretty good rate.

Also, the prevailing winds in the gulf in hurricane season are from the south. They tend to blow things to the beach.

 

[Doomer Doug]

The truth is now starting to come out bit by bit.

The link is here. If CNN is now saying thousands of dead bodies are rotting away, uncollected clearly it is much worse than the local officials are saying.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/22/americas/east-grand-bahama-us-medics-and-survivor/index.html

In this crippled part of the Bahamas, US medics can smell more bodies than they can find

By Rosa Flores and Holly Yan, CNN
Video by Anne Lagamayo and Nick Scott, CNN

Updated 3:23 AM ET, Sun September 22, 2019

East Grand Bahama (CNN)It takes just seconds here to be overwhelmed by the stench of death.
More than two weeks after Hurricane Dorian wiped out entire neighborhoods, East Grand Bahama still looks like a war zone.
The carnage is so widespread that even police officers can't bear to see it.

"Police say they don't want to go there. It's too hard on them to go see their own people," said Patricia Freling, a Florida nurse who's volunteering in East Grand Bahama.
"They think there will be a lot of bodies. So we are preparing for everything."

About 1,300 Bahamians are still unaccounted for after Hurricane Dorian struck two weeks ago.
Freling is part of a US medic team on an aid trip to Grand Bahama -- a once gorgeous island of 51,000 residents before Dorian pulverized it.

The team includes paramedics, nurses, a counselor and a retired US Marine.
Mental health counselor Betsy Rosander is used to difficult circumstances. But today is different.
"I think we are going to be seeing some real tough stuff," she said.
'Most people have not wanted to come here'

 

[Publius]

I'm guessing it may be closer to 5,000 dead and missing. They need to send in crews with pay-loader's and the tires need to be treated to avoid flats.
One Island there was quite a few people living there and from what I have seen it looks like there was only 100 or so survived on that Island

 

[Doomer Doug]

The article explicitly states that the response crews are not shifting the debris and looking for bodies buried in the debris. You will have to go in there with front loaders and move it around. Hopefully, before they start doing that they will use cadaver dogs, or maybe ground search radar. I'm not seeing any kind of urgency in finding the buried bodies.

 

[Doc1]

After this much time has passed, I see no urgency in finding cadavers. No one will still be alive after all this time and there are medical considerations for the search teams, who have to deal with rotting bodies. Additionally, so many bodies were doubtlessly washed out to sea that an accurate death toll will never be realized. Sad business, but there are times in all lives - singly or en-mass - where God's mercy is the best that can be hoped for.

Best
Doc

 

[mzkitty]

After this much time has passed, I see no urgency in finding cadavers. No one will still be alive after all this time and there are medical considerations for the search teams, who have to deal with rotting bodies. Additionally, so many bodies were doubtlessly washed out to sea that an accurate death toll will never be realized. Sad business, but there are times in all lives - singly or en-mass - where God's mercy is the best that can be hoped for.

Best
Doc

How true. How sad.

 

[RB Martin]

After this much time has passed, I see no urgency in finding cadavers. No one will still be alive after all this time and there are medical considerations for the search teams, who have to deal with rotting bodies. Additionally, so many bodies were doubtlessly washed out to sea that an accurate death toll will never be realized. Sad business, but there are times in all lives - singly or en-mass - where God's mercy is the best that can be hoped for.

Best
Doc

Very well said Doc!

 

[Coco82919]

Very sad. I have always been sure the death toll was in the thousands. Just looking at all the destruction, it was like a bomb went off.

 

[TxGal]

Very sad. I have always been sure the death toll was in the thousands. Just looking at all the destruction, it was like a bomb went off.

Very true, and so very sad. A health nightmare, too, whenever they can get in to clean it up. Terrible for the families of those missing whose loved ones likely are under the rubble if not washed out to sea.

 

[Doomer Doug]

It will take at least one decade for the Bahamas to fully recover from Dorian. It will be a case where they finally list 1300, or 5,000 "missing," permanently. I think there are still some people missing from New Orleans from when Katrina hit back in August of 2005. It will be the same thing here.

The pictures of what are essentially debris fields, where entire communities existed a month ago, tells me that many/most of the people who lived there are dead now. The 25 foot storm surge drowned thousands, most of whom, will never be found as they washed out to sea. The ones they find, buried under the rubble and debris of houses and buildings, will have to be id by DNA samples, which the authorities likely don't have.

I am still going with a 10,000 dead total, because of the 25 foot storm surge over the ENTIRE AREA OF BOTH ISLANDS.

 

[Doomer Doug]

I defy anybody looking at these pictures out of the Bahamas to say 10,000 people didn't die here.

The link is here.

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/09/stench-of-death-in-some-neighbourhoods.html

Monday, 23 September 2019

Stench of death in some neighbourhoods of the Bahama Islands has become overwhelming: Police say they don't want to go there: 1300 still missing

According to the report by CNN, East Grand Bahama still looks like a war zone. The carnage is so widespread that even police officers can't bear to see it. "Police say they don't want to go there. It's too hard on them to go see their people," said Patricia Freling, a Florida nurse who's volunteering in East Grand Bahama. "They think there will be a lot of bodies. So we are preparing for everything."


The official death toll across the Bahamas is 52. But that number is expected to skyrocket, with 1,300 people still missing two weeks after the hurricane. Some may be trapped under mountains of rubble where houses once stood. Others may have been washed away in the storm surge, their bodies only recently surfacing on land.

 

[Cardinal]

I wonder if the rebuilding will take the path of high rises and multi million $ homes with the slum people being permanently displaced.

 

[Giblin]

Myrtle Beach's Red Jeep is going "on tour" to raise $$$ for hurricane victims.

https://wpde.com/news/local/infamou...t-tNOriYXeIkeC-ez08FRvYq0Y5jdbQGQwdn2KUWaQRiw

Original Story links: https://www.google.com/search?q=myr....69i57j0l5.15516j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8