CRIME ATF agent tazed and handcuffed,

[Doc1]

I will note one phenomenon which - at least on this thread - has been generally overlooked: We have waaaay the 'ell too much law enforcement in the United States and waaaay the 'ell too many laws. Few people, even those in law enforcement, have any clue as to how many municipal, county, state and Federal agencies exist and how many sworn personnel are attached to these various agencies. It's a staggering number and while most of these officers are POST certified (not all are), each agency has its own different policies and procedures.

Until the latter part of the 19th Century there was (virtually) no federal law enforcement and state law enforcement was basically limited to state police or, in some cases, state or territorial marshals. Local law enforcement was limited to county sheriffs.

The 20th Century saw an explosion in the number of agencies with sworn LEOs who have arrest powers and carry weapons. Some of these are things you'd never think of (they vary from state to state) like deputy coroners or assistant fire marshals. There are also some municipal inspectors and process servers of various sorts who are sworn.

The explosion in law enforcement officers was more or less concurrent with the vastly increased number of municipal, county, state and federal laws and regulations. Needless to say, this is antithetical to a free society.

Similarly, such a paradigm - and the natural bureaucratic inclination to increase budgets and expand power - requires ever-expanding laws and justifications for existence.

Land of the free, eh?

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Doc

 

[Millwright]

Lawmakers gotta gonna make laws.

It's how they justify their existence.

They are there to make money....and not from their salary.

 

[willowlady]

He was never given a chance to show his ID. the local cops acted like gestapo thugs...

Bullshit. All he had to do was peaceably get on the ground and been civil. Instead he was a first-class jackass, thinking he was above standard procedures. I wouldn't have opened the door to that dude even if he had shown his ID.

 

[Dennis Olson]

WHY DID YOU BUMP AN 18 MONTH OLD THREAD?

STOP THAT.

 

[Double_A]

He was never given a chance to show his ID. the local cops acted like gestapo thugs...

That's the way I saw it.

Big question I have is why didn't he give a call to local to advise them of his activities, BEFORE this went down?

B-T-W, back when ATF were bottom of barrel, now they all seem to be that way

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

I disagree. The cop says that they got a call about someone impersonating an officer. Cops come upon every event “cold.” They have no idea who the bad guy might be or what the real story is. That being said, they announce to this guy and he claims to be a cop. Based on the call, he sounds like the perp. They order him to the ground, but he reaches for his pants.

Afterward, they treated him a bit roughly, but I’m betting that there’s no love lost between local cops and feds.

Relevant clip from the movie "The Untouchables", with Sean Connery:

"Who would claim to be it, who was not?"

3:13 RT, SFW.

View: https://youtu.be/x_qHkg0PXEo

 

[NoDandy]

I will note one phenomenon which - at least on this thread - has been generally overlooked: We have waaaay the 'ell too much law enforcement in the United States and waaaay the 'ell too many laws. Few people, even those in law enforcement, have any clue as to how many municipal, county, state and Federal agencies exist and how many sworn personnel are attached to these various agencies. It's a staggering number and while most of these officers are POST certified (not all are), each agency has its own different policies and procedures.

Until the latter part of the 19th Century there was (virtually) no federal law enforcement and state law enforcement was basically limited to state police or, in some cases, state or territorial marshals. Local law enforcement was limited to county sheriffs.

The 20th Century saw an explosion in the number of agencies with sworn LEOs who have arrest powers and carry weapons. Some of these are things you'd never think of (they vary from state to state) like deputy coroners or assistant fire marshals. There are also some municipal inspectors and process servers of various sorts who are sworn.

The explosion in law enforcement officers was more or less concurrent with the vastly increased number of municipal, county, state and federal laws and regulations. Needless to say, this is antithetical to a free society.

Similarly, such a paradigm - and the natural bureaucratic inclination to increase budgets and expand power - requires ever-expanding laws and justifications for existence.

Land of the free, eh?

Best
Doc

Yep. Little town, around 20,000 pop, next county over from us has a Code Enforcement dept. Use to be maybe two guys. Now they have about about 10 or 12. All are sworn, and carry weapons. People have grass too high, or some peeling paint is a big dangerous crime wave I guess. What a joke !

 

[NoDandy]

Funny as hell. The ATF agent whines like a little bitch when he's taken down, in classic "stupid perp" fashion. It's hilarious when the shoe's on the other foot, eh bud?

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Doc

Many Fed's like to have a real macho nick name, like " Speed " , " Hammer ", something like that.

I bet this guys buds will call him " WIMPY ", or " PUSS ", or " CANDY ASS " LOL

 

[marsofold]

WHY DID YOU BUMP AN 18 MONTH OLD THREAD?

STOP THAT.

Just out of curiosity, can you provide a link to the very first thread on the forum?

 

[Griz3752]

ATF are not REAL law enforcement...>THEY ARE glorified TAX COLLECTORS!!

ATF = Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. They just pretend to be law enforcement. We could get rid of them entirely and save a bucket full of tax payers dollars.

But very well armed Tax Collectors

 

[JoanD777]

Now that you have aroused our curiosity, how did it turn out? Did the officer get in trouble? My viewpoint is that he was not acting in a professional manner at all. No wonder the police officer thought he was an impostor.

 

[Don Quixote]

ATF agent didnt think he had to follow police orders, LOL, lets see how that went!

Arrogant Fedboi is lucky he didn't get himself shot!

Refreshing to see how local LEOs aren't groveling so much to politicized fed gestapo for a change.

Confrontations between feds and locals could well become tragic if they don't learn to work together and respect their oath to the Constitution - hopefully they remember that.

I expect that these good cops got a call from "higher up" after which they turned the stazi agent loose. What the feds might do to the officers and the dept. in the way of revenge remains to be seen, but I would not be surprised to see at least one of them get brutally SWATted in the near future.
Communists are notoriously vindictive.

Confrontations like this have potential to escalate to full civil war, given the tension and hostility boiling over in our society.

 

[day late]

Now that you have aroused our curiosity, how did it turn out? Did the officer get in trouble? My viewpoint is that he was not acting in a professional manner at all. No wonder the police officer thought he was an impostor.

We will probably never know for certain. But I think it is safe to say that after his tremendous display of professionalism and fortitude, he's likely to be sitting at a desk for a long time to come. IF he still has a job after embarrassing his bosses like that.

I expect that these good cops got a call from "higher up" after which they turned the stazi agent loose. What the feds might do to the officers and the dept. in the way of revenge remains to be seen, but I would not be surprised to see at least one of them get brutally SWATted in the near future.
Communists are notoriously vindictive.

Confrontations like this have potential to escalate to full civil war, given the tension and hostility boiling over in our society.

AND THIS is what makes me believe that if D.C. passes the semi-auto gun ban they will have no choice but to ask the U.N. for troops to enforce it.

 

[Don Quixote]

ok, lets turn the tables. *IF* the ATF would have flanked to a position of cover, drew his weapon, and engaged gun battle...
...not me.

Pretty obvious whose side you're on, Komrade.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

We will probably never know for certain. But I think it is safe to say that after his tremendous display of professionalism and fortitude, he's likely to be sitting at a desk for a long time to come. IF he still has a job after embarrassing his bosses like that.

He'll probably claim PTSD and draw disability pay for the rest of his life.

 

[Bad Hand]

I love it, Karma.

 

[Papa]

Is that the mentality of most federal agents?

Apparently so!

 

[NoDandy]

But very well armed Tax Collectors

They also like to BBQ kids

 

[tech]

He was performing a lawful duty.

Subverting the Constitution is not a "lawful duty." Plus BATFE is not law enforcement...stating such would fall under impersonation.

 

[stop tyranny]

He'll probably claim PTSD and draw disability pay for the rest of his life.

Like those POS capital police did in the J6 false flag.

 

[Cag3db1rd]

Wtf? He was investigating a shotgun purchase?
F'in commie bullsh!t

 

[BadMedicine]

Subverting the Constitution is not a "lawful duty." Plus BATFE is not law enforcement...stating such would fall under impersonation.

Well yes and no. I agree with you and cargue the 1934 NFA is null and void but WE DO HAVE AN ENTIRE AGENCY DEDICATED (or mostly dedicated) to enforcing it. Si it's a law, you kinda caught me with my pants down when I called it "constitutional."- but the DO get issued a gun and badge... to Enforce the law... LITTERALLY. and they might not be generl, ALL law enforcers but that guy wasn't out doing probono-volunteer work... IT WAS THE DUTY ASSIGNED TO HIM BY HIGHER UPS.

We got some real dense folks here. Laws for everyone. Go back and have someone read to you and explain in PLAINER English ALL my posts on this thread, I covered it pretty thoroughly. No draw guns to compel-thats assault.

 

[Double_A]

My bet is the locals had prior notification that ATF was going to be in the area. When the homeowner's call came in the Local PD, their officers decided to play dumb and have some fun. What we saw was their "fun" part.

 

[day late]

Well yes and no. I agree with you and cargue the 1934 NFA is null and void but WE DO HAVE AN ENTIRE AGENCY DEDICATED (or mostly dedicated) to enforcing it. Si it's a law, you kinda caught me with my pants down when I called it "constitutional."- but the DO get issued a gun and badge... to Enforce the law... LITTERALLY. and they might not be generl, ALL law enforcers but that guy wasn't out doing probono-volunteer work... IT WAS THE DUTY ASSIGNED TO HIM BY HIGHER UPS.

We got some real dense folks here. Laws for everyone. Go back and have someone read to you and explain in PLAINER English ALL my posts on this thread, I covered it pretty thoroughly. No draw guns to compel-thats assault.

Even in the Army, every soldier has the right to refuse to obey an unlawful order. This guy was a twit and deserved more than he got. In case you have forgotten, failure to comply with the orders of a law enforcement officer who is in the performance of his duty is a crime. This numb nuts did everything wrong and thought "Federal Officer" was a get out of jail free card.

 

[BUBBAHOTEPT]

Imagine if in Florida yesterday, Desantis had called the Highway Patrol to stop the Feds at Mar-a-logo. Not quite Fort Sumter, but hell, sends a message....