CORONA As many return to the office, tensions flare between the ‘vaxxed and unvaxxed’

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
And here we go. Get out the little yellow stars for the unvaxxed to make all the precious vaxxed snowflakes feel better.

Note also that the bigger media like CNBC continues to say the Pfizer vaccine is fully approved when we all know that's not true.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.

As many return to the office, tensions flare between the ‘vaxxed and unvaxxed’
Published Mon, Sep 13 20213:15 AM EDTUpdated 3 Hours Ago
Holly Ellyatt@HollyEllyatt
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Key Points
  • As many people return to their offices, tensions appear to be emerging between colleagues along new lines: Those who are vaccinated against Covid, and those who are not.
  • Many U.S. companies have introduced vaccine mandates for their employees.
  • “In some workplaces we have seen a significant spike in hostility,” corporate lawyer Philippe Weiss told CNBC.
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Protesters rally against vaccine mandates at City Hall on August 25, 2021 in New York City.

Protesters rally against vaccine mandates at City Hall on August 25, 2021 in New York City.
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Office politics have been a thing of the past for most of us over the last 18 months, as millions of people worked from home throughout Covid-induced lockdowns.

Now, as many employees return to their offices, tensions appear to be emerging along new lines: those who are vaccinated against Covid, and those who are not.

In the U.S. in particular, companies have taken a rigorous approach toward employees’ Covid vaccination status, with many announcing that their staff must be fully vaccinated in order to return to the workplace.

Then, in late August, the FDA granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid shot.

That approval is already inflaming workplace conflicts because it has meant that fewer employees can remain “on the fence” regarding vaccine safety, with some workers now hardening their stance on whether vaccines should be mandatory, particularly when it comes to their co-workers, according to one workplace consultancy.

Seyfarth at Work conducted surveys of hundreds of employees through to late August and found there was an increasing number of workplace conflicts related to vaccination.

Dividing respondents into two camps — the “vexed vaxxed” and “unnerved unvaxxed” — it reported that both sides of the debate, those for vaccination and those against it, felt a growing sense of resentment.
Darren Ford reacts to a mask mandate while presenting his vaccine card at Liberty Theatre on May 14, 2021 in Camas, Washington.

Darren Ford reacts to a mask mandate while presenting his vaccine card at Liberty Theatre on May 14, 2021 in Camas, Washington.
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Some 37% of companies surveyed by Seyfarth at Work reported that vaccinated staff were angry and frustrated at the transmission risk posed by unvaccinated workers. The consultancy cited one East Coast fix-it company worker as saying: “I have a grandma and a toddler at home. Why should some twenty-something science denier put them both at risk?”

Vaccinated staff are also reportedly annoyed at the prospect of having to cover for colleagues who may become ill, while others object to differing workplace rules (such as two sets of masking protocols) due to those that are unvaccinated.

The unvaccinated, meanwhile, are complaining about their treatment at work, with 21% of the companies surveyed noting that unvaccinated staff are “crying foul at what they consider harsh judgment by others or better opportunities for vaccinated office-mates” as well as the burdens of regular testing requirements.

At one engineering firm, a group of unvaccinated staff have formed an ad-hoc support group (calling itself the “Vexcluded”) with one group member explaining that “our vaccine fears have turned us into veritable office outcasts.”

Corporate law expert Philippe Weiss, the president of Seyfarth at Work, told CNBC that workplace disputes fell into four categories:
  1. Verbal and email/Slack/intranet altercations/arguments
  2. Separation — people refusing to sit or work near one-other
  3. Protest — conflicts between employees and managers over policies affecting vaxxed vs. unvaxxed workers
  4. Angry online posts
“In some workplaces we have seen a significant spike in hostility,” Weiss said. “Human Resources contacts report the stress of attempting to manage the introduction of oft-changing Covid safety policies with, in some cases, an inundation of gripes from both the vaxxed and unvaxxed.”
A protest against vaccine mandates in St. Paul, Minnesota on August 28, 2021.

A protest against vaccine mandates in St. Paul, Minnesota on August 28, 2021.
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Weiss said he expected the divisions to grow as more people returned to the office.

“Those individuals who were required to remain on site — or had to come to offices regularly during the last year — are already accustomed to changing workplace rules and have often developed some understanding and elasticity,” he said.

“Now, millions of formerly remote workers returning, many of whose views on vaccine and other measures were reinforced after months associating with like-minded acquaintances, and they are apt to be less adaptable and open-minded.”
Vaccine mandates

Anthony Mingione, an employment lawyer and partner in the New York office of law firm Blank Rome, said disputes and resentment over vaccination and mask-wearing in the workplace are coming to the fore — and it’s having an impact on the return to the office.

“The tension between vaccinated and unvaccinated colleagues is a key issue behind the slowing rate of large-scale office returns,” he told CNBC on Wednesday.

“One of the conflicts we are seeing is the clash between vaccinated workers who have returned to the workplace and unvaccinated workers who continue to work remotely,” he said. “Many times vaccinated employees feel like they are being unfairly forced to shoulder work responsibilities for unvaccinated colleagues.”

Mingione said employers were now having to impose their own Covid policies, as governments relax the required safety protocols, finding themselves in a gray area.

“Without the cover provided by hard and fast rules, businesses seeking a return to the office must adopt work rules that get employees back onsite while also keeping them safe — all against the backdrop of a polarizing political climate,” he said.
A sign is viewed at a restaurant in New York's Upper West Side on August 17, 2021, the first day where you have to show proof of having a Covid-19 vaccination to participate in indoor dining.

A sign is viewed at a restaurant in New York’s Upper West Side on August 17, 2021, the first day where you have to show proof of having a Covid-19 vaccination to participate in indoor dining.
Timothy A. Clary | AFP | Getty Images

Lucy Lewis, a partner with global HR lawyers Lewis Silkin, agreed that this was proving difficult for businesses.

“Almost invariably, employers want to act in a way which is both fair and protects the health and safety of their workforce and customers,” Lewis told CNBC Tuesday. “The biggest challenge is the lack of specific government guidance on the parameters of what they should be doing to achieve that and, in particular, the part that vaccinations should play.”
Job retention

There are a growing number sectors, both public and private, where employees are required to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

Although the U.S. ruled out making Covid vaccination mandatory earlier this year, some states are moving to make the shots compulsory for some trades and activities. Such action has proved controversial, sparking large protests in parts of the country.

Last week, President Joe Biden was notably tougher on the issue, however, pressuring more private employers to immunize their workforce, as well as mandating the shots for federal employees, contractors and health-care workers.The U.S. is not alone in this, with similar moves being introduced in the U.K. and other parts of Europe.


Vaccine policies in the workplace could determine whether employees remain in or leave their jobs, however, according to one study of more than 1,051 American workers over the age of 21 by online survey company Qualtrics.

The survey, conducted in August, found that while most (60%) of employees support vaccine mandates for in-person work, almost a quarter of employees (23%) said they would strongly consider leaving their place of work if their employers mandated vaccines.

The survey found that support for vaccine mandates differs across industries, with 75% of workers in tech supporting vaccine mandates at work, while 58% of government employees support mandates.

More men (63%) support vaccine mandates at work than women (56%), and political affiliation also affected the evident level of support, with 81% of those who identifying as Democrats saying they support vaccine mandates at work, while only 45% of Republicans said the same.


Expect more mandates from businesses, lots of them: Harvard’s Neeley on Biden vaccine mandate

Some employers have been reluctant to enforce workplace rules on vaccines and masks in an effort to avoid conflict, Blank Rome’s Mingione added, but that could lead to more conflicts down the road.

“Selective enforcement of any policy — even with good intentions — can lead to dropping morale, employee conflicts and low productivity,” he said. “As the Delta variant runs rampant and stories of breakthrough infections permeate the news cycle, these workplace conflicts have continued to increase.

Read more: Fully vaccinated people are still getting infected with Covid. Experts explain why
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Beating the drum.
The opening refrains of the next drama to stoke fires for the “open mouthed breathers” to take in with breathless angst.
 

parocan

Veteran Member
What I find ironic is that the un jabbed are being called science deniers, at the same time as the jabbed
are being told they need to be protected from the un jabbed. When according to science if your jabbed you should
be protected. That sorta sounds like real science denial.
 

vestige

Deceased
What I find ironic is that the un jabbed are being called science deniers, at the same time as the jabbed
are being told they need to be protected from the un jabbed. When according to science if your jabbed you should
be protected. That sorta sounds like real science denial.
Exactly.

If the jab is working you have nothing to sweat. Evidently it isn't working
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When we took vaccines for things like polo growing up........nobody worried about getting after they got vaccinated either from a bad water supply or another person.

So are these really vaccines.......... or are they nothing more than treatments that are suppose to lesson the symptoms and keep hospitals from being jammed up as they claim?

If that is really what they are for then I can see all the push but is that in fact the real reason and is there evidence of this still being a major concern?

Flattening the curve.....................could there be something else that's being flatten either on purpose or even perhaps unintended of which we are being kept in the dark of?
 

parocan

Veteran Member
But congress is exempt from taking a vaccine they are mandating for everyone else. So are
they science deniers as well?

Congress exempt from Biden’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate
Vaccine mandate for federal workers applies only to executive branch of government


President Biden’s executive order mandating COVID-19 vaccines among all federal workers does not apply to members of Congress, the federal court system or their staffers.

Biden’s order Thursday mandating COVID-19 vaccinations among federal workers and contractors drops the option of regular testing and allows only some religious and disability exemptions. The order applies only to employees of the executive branch and does not apply to the legislative or judicial branches of government, the White House confirmed to Fox News.

REPUBLICANS EXPLODE WITH FURY OVER BIDEN VACCINE MANDATE: 'ABSOLUTELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL'

In April, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress couldn’t mandate the vaccine among members and that it was a "matter of privacy." In early August, she signaled she would be open to mandating the vaccine once it was granted full approval by the Food and Drug Administration, but she has not appeared to have revisited the issue since Pfizer’s vaccine was approved late last month.

On Aug. 3, a group of House Democrats sent a letter to the Attending Physician of Congress, Dr. Brian Monahan, asking him to mandate vaccines for members of Congress and their staff or to require twice-weekly COVID-19 testing. It is not clear how many members of the House and Senate remain unvaccinated, but the number is estimated to be very low.

CLICK HERE TO GET THE FOX NEWS APP

As part of his plan announced Thursday, Biden said companies with 100 or more employees will have to mandate vaccines or weekly COVID-19 testing under a forthcoming emergency order by the Labor Department’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), which will apply to more than 80 million private-sector workers. The administration said companies that don’t comply can face fines of almost $14,000.

Republicans have blasted the order as unconstitutional.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
What I find ironic is that the un jabbed are being called science deniers, at the same time as the jabbed
are being told they need to be protected from the un jabbed. When according to science if your jabbed you should
be protected. That sorta sounds like real science denial.
I asked almost same question. The answer lies in God pulling a veil over the minds of people.
 

The Snack Artist

Membership Revoked
Let's get down to the core of the issue. This is way bigger than we realize. It is good vs evil, a setup for the end game. The dems have waged war on God for decades. They've just upped their game tenfold. They are evil and do the bidding of the liar. Pick a side and choose wisely. Eternity is just that.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
Let's get down to the core of the issue. This is way bigger than we realize. It is good vs evil, a setup for the end game. The dems have waged war on God for decades. They've just upped their game tenfold. They are evil and do the bidding of the liar. Pick a side and choose wisely. Eternity is just that.

If you think this is republican vs. democrat, then you're not seeing the big picture. The 2020 election revealed many groups aligned against the American people: The intelligence community, the bankers, big tech, democrats, the GOP leadership, many republican politicians, China CCP, the mainstream media. They are all participating/promoting attack on the American people.

We are at war.
 

The Snack Artist

Membership Revoked
If you think this is republican vs. democrat, then you're not seeing the big picture. The 2020 election revealed many groups aligned against the American people: The intelligence community, the bankers, big tech, democrats, the GOP leadership, many republican politicians, China CCP, the mainstream media. They are all participating/promoting attack on the American people.

We are at war.
I agree but you're missing my point. This is satan against the world and God. He is in a big hurry right now because he knows his time is up. The ds are always the ones vocally pushing the secularization of society. While the rs are behind this as well, they don't vocalize it.
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A friend's husband has been in and out of the office through all of this. They were all out of the office unless they had to physically be there. Since they are running servers and other things, occasionally they had to physically be there. For some meetings, they had to be there in person.
When the first wave of returning to the office started there was a woman who 1) did not get vaxxed and 2) did not want to wear a mask. She was the only one in the office who would not wear it, despite then policy, and was known for wandering around the office to talk to folks and pulling the mask down. Most people dealt with it by making sure she did not get physically close to them and wore their own masks. (Note: the office is not coming down on people to vax, even now. They just want people to use precautions.)
One day there was a mandatory in person meeting that she had to be at. A crowded conference room because everything was "returning to normal". They managed to keep her to one side throughout the conference. But at the end of the conference she decided to stand in the doorway, maskless, talking to someone else. To leave the conference room everyone had to pass way too close to her. Close enough that it would have been uncomfortable in normal times. Friend and three others, including her, came down with COVID. One that ended up spending several months in the hospital because of it. She turned out to be case zero. She had gone down to the beach for the weekend for a vacation without testing/quarantine. She nearly killed the group manager which would have likely resulted in the shutting down of the group. She received a written coaching and note in her HR file.
So I can fully understand why folks are a bit skittish about getting back to the office. While so much around COVID is political, the virus itself is real and can be deadly.

Now, I'm unvaxxed and will remain so as long as it is possible and does not interfere with certain hard line responsibilities I have. There is a balance point and I know it well. Having said that, I take precautions for my own safety and that of my son. I don't take them for others, because after all their yelling and bellyaching the others don't give a flying flip that their actions are endangering us. If I had to return to a physical office, I would mask and take the testing. Not for them, for me. So that I would know if I caught it ASAP and could take action immediately. I would mask for me, to hopefully prevent transmission. And I would add that folks need to stand back 6 foot because I want to live. And I would make it clear that I find them to be a danger to me. My GAF button has been broken for over a year. The only thing that keeps me from letting folks have it is that we stay away from them. And the ones we don't stay away from don't have a problem with precautions.
 

DazedandConfused

Veteran Member
I talked to one of our HR people this morning as I was leaving about this new decree from uncle joe. She laughed and said not to worry they would not be pushing the vaccine.
I made a point to tell her I hoped not because I would not be taking the vax . I said I'll wear a mask, test weekly and any other requirement the company asked us to do but the vax was my personnel line in the sand.
She said That I was not the only one that a little over half of the company work force would leave from what they could tell. She laughed and said we might as well shut the doors and you know that is not going to happen.
I'm going to rest a little easier now . But making plans to get myself better aligned to weather the coming storm.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
What I find ironic is that the un jabbed are being called science deniers, at the same time as the jabbed
are being told they need to be protected from the un jabbed. When according to science if your jabbed you should
be protected. That sorta sounds like real science denial.

indeed - but common sense and independent rational thought have been sacrificed on the alter of woke by the Ministry of Propaganda
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I didn't see any mention of the vaxxed shedding and being super spreaders. It seems that only the whinings of the vaxxed are reported.

Looks like an indirect hit piece on the unvaxxed.


Like virtually all the others. Can't go against the Narrative, know what I mean?
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
_______________
Well everyone should know where I stand. We will NOT interfere with out employee's rights and all other whoohaa. And they sure better not demand more from us than we already give. Back in the mid-00's we developed a shutdown plan for just in case. We took it out and brushed it off last year and because we are so much larger we've been giving it a nip and tuck here and there. But you can bet none of it includes bowing down to ye ol' dictator-in-chief.
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
Congress exempt from Biden’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate
^^ If this is really true, it makes me worry that there was some back room deal with the Republicans that if all of them were made exempt, they would agree not to put for any legislation to fight it. It would not surprise me in the least.
 

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
What I find ironic is that the un jabbed are being called science deniers, at the same time as the jabbed
are being told they need to be protected from the un jabbed. When according to science if your jabbed you should
be protected. That sorta sounds like real science denial.
And the science minded can't figure out when life begins.
 
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mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
Spoke with three co-workers all of whom will refuse the vaccine. As yet there is no formal order with specifics we can fight but that's coming soon. People sharing what they know about exemptions and lawyers.
 

Ku Commando

Inactive


More CNBC "experts" I'm sure


Ford vs Chevy? :shr:
Ford vs Ferrari

Its all just a bunch of nonsense and people are falling for it.

There, fixed ! .....agree 'bout the nonsense

If you think this is republican vs. democrat, then you're not seeing the big picture. The 2020 election revealed many groups aligned against the American people: The intelligence community, the bankers, big tech, democrats, the GOP leadership, many republican politicians, China CCP, the mainstream media. They are all participating/promoting attack on the American people.

We are at war. under God's Judgement


There, fixed.
 

Night Breeze

Veteran Member
Remember when the term "Going Postal" became a lexicon of the American language?
For those that have forgot, crazy people that worked for the U S Post Office took guns to work and killed fellow employees for some minor reason. Now I wonder when "Going Vaxx or Going Not Vaxxed" will raise it's ugly head. Coming to a workplace near you real soon.
 
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