SOFT NEWS April 2024 UPDATE On The Lahaina, Maui Fire Aftermath
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I suspect there are a few Billionares willing to let a great portion of that area to "re-wild".
Great buffers for their estates...
Ftr, I don't see the necessity to think there were any untoward actions that caused the fires.
Circumstances are manipulating the crisis after-the-fact.
I will suggest the EPA and Army Corps of Engineers are perfecting their craft dealing with "natural disaster". Expect more of this on the mainland for fires, tornadoes and hurricanes. Jmo
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
Rahm Emanual quote.
"And what I mean it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
Dobbin
Old Gray Mare
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Fair use.
Inside the Restricted Burn Zone of Lahaina - What’s It Like Now?
Peter Santenello
Apr 20, 2024 LAHAINA
Over eight months ago, the deadliest fire in modern American history torched the city of Lahaina on the Hawaiian Island of Maui. So, what's it like now? Join local firefighter Jonny and me as we explore the restricted burn zone to better understand the situation from a local's perspective.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm1cfHqnMt4
run time 42:25
Inside the Restricted Burn Zone of Lahaina - What’s It Like Now?
Peter Santenello
Apr 20, 2024 LAHAINA
Over eight months ago, the deadliest fire in modern American history torched the city of Lahaina on the Hawaiian Island of Maui. So, what's it like now? Join local firefighter Jonny and me as we explore the restricted burn zone to better understand the situation from a local's perspective.
run time 42:25
Melodi
Disaster Cat
This is similar to what is happening long-term in Paradise, California. Many may remember that my mentor lost everything in that fire and barely made it out alive. Like many landowners in Paradise, he was forced to buy a small place in nearby Chico when it was apparent that Paradise would take a long time to rebuild.
A few months ago, he told me that building permits are not issued, and people are not legally allowed to bring in prefab housing or trailers (like the one he lived in that burned down) due to "infrastructure issues." Most of those are water hook-ups, which they still force the exiles to pay for even if no water hook-ups have been installed.
He said that after several years of that, they are now "deeming" people as "no longer coming back" and trying various ways to ensure that they don't.
As of a few months ago, 350 of the several thousand people who used to live there have been able to move back. Some defy local authorities by camping in RVs and other temporary shelters on their land.
The main excuse for the delays is that the land is "too contaminated" for modern living, even though people have lived there for 100 years or more. The old "mining" supposedly contaminated the area, as did the fire. No one is waiting in the wings to "decontaminate" things. I am sure similar excuses will be used in Lahina.
In both places, significant corporations and big money have reasons to want the area depopulated of "the peasants" so they can build either seafront properties and resorts or luxury mountain condos and perhaps re-open the old silver mine (as prices for silver increase).
This seems to be a new "public-corporate" strategy. I am not saying that all these fires are created to order (they might be). Still, even if they are not, there is now a pattern of trying to take over areas that have been destroyed like this, make sure the original population is disposed of (on the cheap), and rebuild something that brings them financial benefits.
Areas they don't care about, like South Mississippi (away from the coast) after Katrina, are happy to restrict benefits and let them slowly rot away. "They" can always pick the land up later on the cheap when the area has mainly become depopulated.
A few months ago, he told me that building permits are not issued, and people are not legally allowed to bring in prefab housing or trailers (like the one he lived in that burned down) due to "infrastructure issues." Most of those are water hook-ups, which they still force the exiles to pay for even if no water hook-ups have been installed.
He said that after several years of that, they are now "deeming" people as "no longer coming back" and trying various ways to ensure that they don't.
As of a few months ago, 350 of the several thousand people who used to live there have been able to move back. Some defy local authorities by camping in RVs and other temporary shelters on their land.
The main excuse for the delays is that the land is "too contaminated" for modern living, even though people have lived there for 100 years or more. The old "mining" supposedly contaminated the area, as did the fire. No one is waiting in the wings to "decontaminate" things. I am sure similar excuses will be used in Lahina.
In both places, significant corporations and big money have reasons to want the area depopulated of "the peasants" so they can build either seafront properties and resorts or luxury mountain condos and perhaps re-open the old silver mine (as prices for silver increase).
This seems to be a new "public-corporate" strategy. I am not saying that all these fires are created to order (they might be). Still, even if they are not, there is now a pattern of trying to take over areas that have been destroyed like this, make sure the original population is disposed of (on the cheap), and rebuild something that brings them financial benefits.
Areas they don't care about, like South Mississippi (away from the coast) after Katrina, are happy to restrict benefits and let them slowly rot away. "They" can always pick the land up later on the cheap when the area has mainly become depopulated.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Zero building permits issued...how many applied for?
I can't help but wonder if it's a matter of cash. After all, people are having a hard enough time keeping up. CAN they rebuild?
I can't help but wonder if it's a matter of cash. After all, people are having a hard enough time keeping up. CAN they rebuild?
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Intestinal Fortitude
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Cut and stack blocks of lava (won't burn). Make a stone city
Intestinal Fortitude
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more hardened lava available at the volcanoes . . . SUSTAINABILITY ya know!!
The EPA is running the show there in Hawaii along with Fema. Therefore the silica content of the lava may prevent disturbing it.
If you watched the video the firefighter described cleanup crews in tyvek suits doing cleanup.
Cleanup of a burnt home individually is done by homeowners or contractors every day across this nation.
At what point are we denied the right to use our land here on CONUS after a fire?
If I was a lawyer, I would argue the comprehensive plan in Maui was arbitrary and capricious against individual owners. Why should they be grouped and denied use and quiet ownership of their individual holdings?
Coming to a fire scene near you...
Intestinal Fortitude
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yes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . silica
I catch your sarcasm in each dot. We have an eye roll emoji too.
Has anyone read exactly why those homes and that fire created such a hazardous wasteland?
Why aren't the California wildfires just as dangerous?
I don't know for sure that cutting lava blocks would be considered hazardous by the government. I pulled the silica as one of many possibilities that the government might use.
The detection methods available today and the ever more stringent regulations make most anything hazardous if the government looks.
Notice the difference between a law and regulation.
Those people in Maui have clearly been shafted imo. Better for everyone to ask WHY now.
I predicted several years ago that one broken compact fluorescent light bulb might make a home uninhabitable at some future date.
I'm truly surprised that having more than one box of lead ammunition in your home hasn't made it a toxic wasteland.
How about wood ashes from a fireplace?
Or in Melodi's case peat fire ashes...
Both those can concentrate infinitesimally small amounts of heavy metals. Those deemed hazardous by government regulation.
More accurate testing equipment and ever lower exposure limits make stuff around us suddenly hazardous. Like the old mining town Melodi described.
I think it ironic that a firefighter in post 6 is denied use of his property because of a fire. His profession has him dealing with fire residue on every fire call. Yet he just accepts the goobermint telling him he can't cleanup and move on.
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The word is “corporatocracy.”
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
"Idiocracy" was SUPPOSED to be a JOKE!!!!
West
Senior
Also gold is in those hills. Big time. That and big trees. As well as other heavy metals.
I've mused for years they want all the people out of the Sierras, Cascades, Redwoods and Klamath areas, so they can strip mine and log it all. Super rich in minerals and the best in the world woods.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
Maybe possibly perhaps because on Oahu there was a large jet fuel leak that affected ALL Pearl water usage that the Navy initially denied? and also affected Honolulu water supply . . . . .hmmm? just a ponderI catch your sarcasm in each dot. We have an eye roll emoji too.
Has anyone read exactly why those homes and that fire created such a hazardous wasteland?
Why aren't the California wildfires just as dangerous?
I don't know for sure that cutting lava blocks would be considered hazardous by the government. I pulled the silica as one of many possibilities that the government might use.
The detection methods available today and the ever more stringent regulations make most anything hazardous if the government looks.
Notice the difference between a law and regulation.
Those people in Maui have clearly been shafted imo. Better for everyone to ask WHY now.
RedHill fuel storage on Oahu is a long way from Maui.
Lotsa water between the 2 islands.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
new clean location to build a base on
Naw. I can't foresee the current admin nor military leaders interested in storing even one gallon of essential fuel.
I have zero faith in them but willing to change my mind.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
I hear you.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
Makes it hard to set up and enforce a "15 minute city."
If its difficult or impossible to set up elsewhere - you stay where you can - and do what you can do.
Dobbin