OP-ED Apple Could Make Money by Bailing Out Greece

Housecarl

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Hummm.....

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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-11/apple-could-make-money-by-bailing-out-greece

Europe
Apple Could Make Money by Bailing Out Greece

May 11, 2015 12:54 PM EDT
By Leonid Bershidsky
Comments 38

That Apple should buy Greece with all the useless cash it has on hand is just a joke that won't go away. Yet it's true that, if big American corporations and European politicians had any imagination, they could probably engineer a bailout for the nearly bankrupt country on terms that would benefit everyone.

Back in 2012, an investor attending Apple's general meeting asked Tim Cook, the chief executive officer, if he'd ever considered using the company's growing cash stash -- $97.6 billion at that point -- to acquire Greece. "We've looked into many things," but not that, Cook replied. Of course, entire countries can't be bought -- not even in novels, it seems. In Iain Banks's "The Business," such a deal fell through, even though the acquisition target was an obscure Himalayan monarchy, not an old democracy like Greece.

So everyone had a laugh and moved on. Things briefly got better for Greece when it received the biggest bailout in history, and private creditors agreed to a haircut. But its economy still failed to grow, and the country's debt burden, at 175 percent of economic output, remained unsustainable. Apple, in the meantime, more than doubled its hoard, which now amounts $194 billion in cash and equivalents. The company has been paying generous dividends and buying back stock, but the cash pile keeps growing. There's no way to invest it all. For years, Cook has been talking about mind-blowing products his company has in the pipeline, but he's only managed to come up with incremental improvements to existing products, an average streaming music service and an overpriced smartwatch, and these haven't required much capital. Unless Apple starts building cars -- or perhaps spaceships -- it will keep accumulating cash.

As will other big U.S. companies. Non-financial American firms hold $1.73 trillion in cash, 4 percent more than they had a year ago, and $1.1 trillion of that belongs to the 50 biggest companies, according to a recent report from Moody's Investor Services. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Pfizer and Cisco have stockpiled $439 billion.

Most of that money sits overseas, because if it were repatriated, it would be subject to a 35 percent U.S. tax. Spending it, or even giving it back to shareholders, is a pain. No one expects the U.S. to reform its tax system and resolve this issue anytime soon.

So the idea that the top five cash hoarders could now save Greece and do better for themselves in the process is intriguing.

Greece needs about 190 billion euros ($212 billion) to bring down its debt to the manageable level of 70 percent of gross domestic product. That's about 48 percent of the five companies' combined cash stash. For paying down the debt, Greece could reward the firms with a special deal on corporate taxes, somewhat like the one Apple now enjoys in Ireland. That sweetheart deal is being investigated by the European Union and is probably doomed. Yet Greece's case is different: The EU, as one of the country's biggest creditors, might be inclined to make a special dispensation to the American companies for helping solve the Greek problem. The U.S. might have some objections, but, as the biggest shareholder in the International Monetary Fund, it, too, stands to lose money if Greece defaults, and the destabilization brought on by a Grexit is certainly not in U.S. interests.

In exchange for less than half of their cash -- and just 13 percent more than it would cost to pay U.S. taxes -- the companies would receive an indefinite, ironclad guarantee of low taxes on non-U.S. operations. Not a bad deal.

Greece, for its part, would get debt relief, plus the companies' European headquarters. Many executives would probably welcome the move to a warm seaside, and Greece would have the beginnings of a powerful tech cluster, which would draw in other companies and create service jobs. With such help, the Greek government could probably afford to be less austere than its creditors want it to be. But it would still need to reform inefficient public services and become more business-friendly, or risk missing out on the obvious benefits of working with the tech titans.

I'm pretty sure this kind of bailout would get the Greek people's approval if put to a referendum.

All it would take to work it out would be a little flexibility. Sadly, that is a quality everyone involved in the Greek crisis today appears to lack. So instead Greece will keep stumbling toward bankruptcy, and the American companies will keep accumulating cash they don't know how to spend.

To contact the author on this story:
Leonid Bershidsky at lbershidsky@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor on this story:
Mary Duenwald at mduenwald@bloomberg.net
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Greece, brought to you in part by Apple.

I don't know; the idea of corporations able to bail out governments strikes me as the start of at least three or four dystopian futures I can think of. How long before Apple uses its pull in Greece to get human cloning legalized? People are worried about people turning to sex robots? What happens when the sex robots in question are barely-functioning human clones?
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
Wow! The world banksters must be absolutely desperate to suggest that PRIVATE COMPANIES essentially buyout Greece's debt. They'll never get a dime of it back of course, nor will the conditions that spawned the problem ever go away. See, the Greeks love their "plush" benefits, and when the attempt was made to rein them in, there was a revolt. Unless the Greeks would become more willing to embrace reality, I wouldn't give them a cent.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes, but if apple stepped in they could add all sorts of stipulations on using their products and making life difficult for the greeks that they will cave to any demands. Ban microsoft, ban linux, ban all other music services except for apple. All streaming except through apple. complete control for Greece's internet connectivity. Then to bend peoples minds they put all sorts of customized advertising to persuade the greeks to do whatever they want towards some agenda. Restrict account access for those that protest. Forcibly remove all appliance for those that protest.

I'm not really seeing a potential negative for apple if they appropriately legally insulate themselves. This could be a game changer

I doubt that Apple and their legal team has the cojones to do what needs to be done to fix the situation and that is a multi-generational plan. You have to get a generation of kids that only know of apple and is completely and entirely subservient to them.

But what do I know I'm a redneck on a hill in the boonies.
 

Heretic

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Hummm.....

For links see article source.....
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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-11/apple-could-make-money-by-bailing-out-greece

Europe
Apple Could Make Money by Bailing Out Greece

May 11, 2015 12:54 PM EDT
By Leonid Bershidsky
Comments 38

That Apple should buy Greece with all the useless cash it has on hand is just a joke that won't go away. Yet it's true that, if big American corporations and European politicians had any imagination, they could probably engineer a bailout for the nearly bankrupt country on terms that would benefit everyone.

Back in 2012, an investor attending Apple's general meeting asked Tim Cook, the chief executive officer, if he'd ever considered using the company's growing cash stash -- $97.6 billion at that point -- to acquire Greece. "We've looked into many things," but not that, Cook replied. Of course, entire countries can't be bought -- not even in novels, it seems. In Iain Banks's "The Business," such a deal fell through, even though the acquisition target was an obscure Himalayan monarchy, not an old democracy like Greece.

So everyone had a laugh and moved on. Things briefly got better for Greece when it received the biggest bailout in history, and private creditors agreed to a haircut. But its economy still failed to grow, and the country's debt burden, at 175 percent of economic output, remained unsustainable. Apple, in the meantime, more than doubled its hoard, which now amounts $194 billion in cash and equivalents. The company has been paying generous dividends and buying back stock, but the cash pile keeps growing. There's no way to invest it all. For years, Cook has been talking about mind-blowing products his company has in the pipeline, but he's only managed to come up with incremental improvements to existing products, an average streaming music service and an overpriced smartwatch, and these haven't required much capital. Unless Apple starts building cars -- or perhaps spaceships -- it will keep accumulating cash.

As will other big U.S. companies. Non-financial American firms hold $1.73 trillion in cash, 4 percent more than they had a year ago, and $1.1 trillion of that belongs to the 50 biggest companies, according to a recent report from Moody's Investor Services. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Pfizer and Cisco have stockpiled $439 billion.

Most of that money sits overseas, because if it were repatriated, it would be subject to a 35 percent U.S. tax. Spending it, or even giving it back to shareholders, is a pain. No one expects the U.S. to reform its tax system and resolve this issue anytime soon.

So the idea that the top five cash hoarders could now save Greece and do better for themselves in the process is intriguing.

Greece needs about 190 billion euros ($212 billion) to bring down its debt to the manageable level of 70 percent of gross domestic product. That's about 48 percent of the five companies' combined cash stash. For paying down the debt, Greece could reward the firms with a special deal on corporate taxes, somewhat like the one Apple now enjoys in Ireland. That sweetheart deal is being investigated by the European Union and is probably doomed. Yet Greece's case is different: The EU, as one of the country's biggest creditors, might be inclined to make a special dispensation to the American companies for helping solve the Greek problem. The U.S. might have some objections, but, as the biggest shareholder in the International Monetary Fund, it, too, stands to lose money if Greece defaults, and the destabilization brought on by a Grexit is certainly not in U.S. interests.

In exchange for less than half of their cash -- and just 13 percent more than it would cost to pay U.S. taxes -- the companies would receive an indefinite, ironclad guarantee of low taxes on non-U.S. operations. Not a bad deal.

Greece, for its part, would get debt relief, plus the companies' European headquarters. Many executives would probably welcome the move to a warm seaside, and Greece would have the beginnings of a powerful tech cluster, which would draw in other companies and create service jobs. With such help, the Greek government could probably afford to be less austere than its creditors want it to be. But it would still need to reform inefficient public services and become more business-friendly, or risk missing out on the obvious benefits of working with the tech titans.

I'm pretty sure this kind of bailout would get the Greek people's approval if put to a referendum.

All it would take to work it out would be a little flexibility. Sadly, that is a quality everyone involved in the Greek crisis today appears to lack. So instead Greece will keep stumbling toward bankruptcy, and the American companies will keep accumulating cash they don't know how to spend.

To contact the author on this story:
Leonid Bershidsky at lbershidsky@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor on this story:
Mary Duenwald at mduenwald@bloomberg.net

This idea is just silly it is plan stupid.
Greece has no industrial base to speak of.
No decent internal transportation, no rivers, bad roads etc.
Greece has survived on tourism and retired expats.

A friend who worked a did in Northern Greece that is thought to be connected to Alexander the weird was working for the government. They didn't pay her for 6 months, but then sent her a tax bill for what she was not paid.

The Greek government has admited it cooked the books and my friends who understand money say there is no way Greece can ever join the 20th, much less the 21st.

For apple to dump money in Greece would be like converting it to gold and dumping it in the ocean.

Terry
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
no one in the eu will ever make money as long as banksters run it

nobody

nowhere

but banksters
 
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