ALERT Anti-Saggy Pants Law coming to Montgomery Alabama

[rhughe13]

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Anti-Sagging Pants Law Could Be Coming to Montgomery Written by Amanda McKenzie Saturday, 16 July 2011 06:17 pm

It may soon be against the law to wear sagging pants in Montgomery. It's the latest in a string of similar laws passed in cities around the state.

State Representative Alvin Holmes is on a mission to end sagging britches and he's getting support from the City Council.

"They need to pull their pants up," Mozell Moore, Jr. said. "I don't know what they get out of it wearing their pants down there, but it's a disgrace."

Montgomery City Council President Charles Jinright said the council has been talking about a sagging ban for over ten years and now Holmes is giving it the push it needs at the next legislative session.

"It's sloppy," Jinright said. "They don't have much pride in themselves. I think they're trying to make a statement, but all young people at one time or another try to make a statement."

Greenville is the latest city to pass an ordinance banning sagging pants and the Capital City may be next.

Marion and Selma have enacted the same ban making pants that fall more than three inches below the hips inappropriate public attire.

But those who sag said it's all part of their swag.

"It's just like a fashion I do," Terrence Johnson said. "Sag a little, then just to throw that's how my type of swag is, but I know how to pull my pants up and be a gentleman now."

Some said it's a little extreme to make sagging pants a real crime against fashion.
"I don't think it should be made a law and let the kids be penalized for it," Rose Smith said. "I just hope and pray that they realize it doesn't look good at all."

If the bill is passed, Jinright said the challenges lie in how to enforce the law and determining an appropriate punishment.

"How far do you go and where do you draw the line?" he asked. "I think that's where you get into the complications of what you're talking about because how saggy is saggy?"

Holmes is only proposing this bill for the city of Montgomery, but Jinright said he would like to see him push this bill to be passed for the state of Alabama. He said the law may be easier to enforce if it is statewide.

Fines in Greenville range from 25 to 100 dollars and a sagger in Selma could face the same fines or community service.

 

[RVM45]

I have no idea why the Youngsters want to wear their pants at half mast.

On the other hand.....

By what slight of hand made The State think that it was any of The State's Business?

If people decided to wear dirty Jock Straps over their face, It still would not be the State's Concern.


.....RVM45

 

[Dennis Olson]

Lemmee see here - an ENTIRE CITY of ghetto ******s, and the city council wants a no-saggy-pants law? Be sure to let me know how that works out for them...

 

[FireDance]

$$$

 

[Lone Wolf]

Probable cause...to stop and ID. Maybe.

Laws agaist it. Naww, where do you draw the line with writing more laws?


Walking among them, tugging their pants down another inch or two might be fun. So many pants drop equals so many points against a cup of coffee. heh

lw

 

[Gercarson]

Only idiots think other idiots are cool. No need to show up for a job interview "dressed for success". While it has been discounted by snopes the general thought is saggy pants originated in prison to show "availability" - go ahead, show that "image" dude.

 

[dieseltrooper]

Only idiots think other idiots are cool. No need to show up for a job interview "dressed for success". While it has been discounted by snopes the general thought is saggy pants originated in prison to show "availability" - go ahead, show that "image" dude.

That's what I always heard. I don't see a need to pass a specific law that may be challenged on some kind of lame "racial profiling" basis. Just use the indecent exposure statute.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Regardless of Snopes, I know it's true. I was told that by a friend several years ago who was a PRISON GUARD.

 

[KenGin31]

They already have it here.

 

[energy_wave]

I have no idea why the Youngsters want to wear their pants at half mast.

On the other hand.....

By what slight of hand made The State think that it was any of The State's Business?

If people decided to wear dirty Jock Straps over their face, It still would not be the State's Concern.


.....RVM45

I think it was something to do with people in prison not being allowed belts, so their pants sagged exposing their boxer shorts and it started a fad.

 

[Aardaerimus]

Just another wood chip hacked from the tree of liberty. No one despises American freedom more than the average American.

They chant "Death to America!" and we respond by executing liberty. Bravo.

 

[msswv123]

While we're at it can we make it a law that overweight beer gutted men not be allowed to run or bike or mow without a shirt on....and anyone with cellulite not be allowed to wear shorts above the knee especially with a G=strings showing. If you are over 50 no leather or tattoo's of any kind. No beer can shirts or rebel flags.......(SIC)....

This is a generational, cultural thing...like nose piercing and tongue piercing..and to try and legislate what people wear is sorry..just petty~~ I think we have bigger fish to fry in the country.

Also, for the record black people are NOT the only ones who sag their pants, many young white youth sag their pants as well..and most of the youth who do wear two pairs of shorts to not show their underwear. I bet the same people who use disgusting racial slurs about this are the same ones who run out to get the latest copy of playboy as soon as it hits the shelf or have no problem when some hot young actress lets all her silicone hang out!!

Personally, I don't like how sagging looks..it looks uncomfortable, sloppy and irritating...but I don't want anyone legislating what I can or cannot wear. Racial predjudice makes me ill!!....blessings T

 

[Dennis Olson]

This is a cultural thing


Yes it is. Black gangsta/ghetto "culture". We need lots more of THAT in America. You betcha.

 

[msswv123]

This is a cultural thing


Yes it is. Black gangsta/ghetto "culture". We need lots more of THAT in America. You betcha.

I meant to say generational, cultural thing (I corrected my post)....OBVIOUSLY you are not around alot of youth Dennis. It's not just a "black gangsta" thing. We sure don't need more loss of personal liberty and freedom in AMERICA...that's for sure~ but I guess in your perspective freedom and liberty only apply to certain races of people here in America huh?.eta: what there aren't any white gangsta ghetto types (as you say) who sag their pants and commit crimes!! blessings T

 

[Dennis Olson]

Actually, it IS a black gangsta thing. Then the white boys who aspire to be like their gangsta heroes (many people call these kids "wiggers") started wearing that "style"as well. Having half of one's ass showing is not what I consider to be style. I consider it borderline public indecency. I see no problem outlawing it.

 

[msswv123]

SO....who cares if you think it's style or not...is it really any of your business what people wear? So it's not normal white kids who sag...we have to give them another slur name for that.....hell the country cannot even enforce the laws they have now or support the citizens who pay the taxes and they are sitting up there worrying about who is sagging their pants. STUPIDITY!! Let's also pay people to try and enforce it and let's pay people to send them through the court system. Let's write them up so they have a record.

THERE again Dennis all gangsters are not BLACK...here have a look at a few famous gangsters~

http://www.google.com/search?q=famo...&ei=xpckTo2JDera0QH67e2oAw&sqi=2&ved=0CEkQsAQ

eta:
I have three teenagers dennis and almost every teen I know...white, black or any other color sag their pants to some extent. They are NOT gangsters they are teenagers.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Wikipedia:

Wigger
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
For other uses, see Wigger (disambiguation).

Wigger (sometimes spelled whigger) is a pejorative slang term for a white person who emulates mannerisms, language, and fashions associated with African-American culture, particularly hip hop in the United States or the Grime/Garage scene in Britain.[1] The term is a portmanteau of either wannabe or white and ******. The term is considered derogatory, reflecting stereotypes of African-American or Black British culture, and can be used pejoratively, because of its connotations of cultural appropriation. It is also often used in a racist manner, not only belittling the person perceived as acting black, but also demeaning black people and culture by proxy. Some, however, use the term neutrally, or as a light joke, without any racism intended.

 

[msswv123]

Oh well thanks for the wikepedia reference. ...it did get one part right

The term is considered derogatory, reflecting stereotypes It is also often used in a racist manner, not only belittling the person perceived as acting black, but also demeaning black people and culture by proxy

for someone who whines so much about people making derogatory and insulting statements about you...you sure don't care to dish them out about a whole race of people who are AMERICANS as well. ..just an observation from another perspective...blessings T

 

[Dennis Olson]

I have no respect for ghetto scum of any color. the fact that you allow your own children to dress like that is more revealing about YOU than about me. I had standards when I was raising my kids. they never, EVER got to dress like that. Not one time. And the knew what would happen to them if I ever caught them out in public dressed like that.

 

[msswv123]

I didnt' say my kids dress like that ...I said

I have three teenagers dennis and almost every teen I know...white, black or any other color sag their pants to some extent. They are NOT gangsters they are teenagers.

now where did I say my kids dress like that....I have standards as well and one was to not teach my children to be racist and prejudice towards people. Like I said so what...just because you didn't let your kids dress like that doesn't mean it should be made into another unenforcable costly law. Not everyone who lives in a ghetto is scum either dennis...just because people aren't rich and have to live within their means don't make them scum...blessings T

 

[kjcap_777]

While we're at it can we make it a law that overweight beer gutted men not be allowed to run or bike or mow without a shirt on....and anyone with cellulite not be allowed to wear shorts above the knee especially with a G=strings showing. If you are over 50 no leather or tattoo's of any kind. No beer can shirts or rebel flags.......(SIC)....

This is a generational, cultural thing...like nose piercing and tongue piercing..and to try and legislate what people wear is sorry..just petty~~ I think we have bigger fish to fry in the country.

Also, for the record black people are NOT the only ones who sag their pants, many young white youth sag their pants as well..and most of the youth who do wear two pairs of shorts to not show their underwear. I bet the same people who use disgusting racial slurs about this are the same ones who run out to get the latest copy of playboy as soon as it hits the shelf or have no problem when some hot young actress lets all her silicone hang out!!

Personally, I don't like how sagging looks..it looks uncomfortable, sloppy and irritating...but I don't want anyone legislating what I can or cannot wear. Racial predjudice makes me ill!!....blessings T

AND FOR GOD's SAKE LET US OUTLAW ALL THOSE FAT BASTURDS WHO TRY TO TUCK IN A T-SHIRT AND TOP OFF THE ATTIRE WITH A PAIR OF "SHINY WING-TIP SHOES or FLORSHEIM SLIPPERS"..

Talk about laughing out loud and vomiting at the same time?...LOL!!!!!!

Let us allow the sheep to be concerned with such nonsense while true American Patriots fight for the right's and freedom of ALL people, not just one race of sorts....

Amazing, just amazing.

Peace and Blessing's,
MCA
Btw, I despise those ugly clod hopping shiny wing-tipped shoes...soooo redneck

NO GHETTO HERE!!!!

 

[PghPanther]

Only idiots think other idiots are cool. No need to show up for a job interview "dressed for success". While it has been discounted by snopes the general thought is saggy pants originated in prison to show "availability" - go ahead, show that "image" dude.

I've heard that.........and oversized pants used to hide drugs and weapons as well.

 

[astrobee]

While we're at it can we make it a law that overweight beer gutted men not be allowed to run or bike or mow without a shirt on....and anyone with cellulite not be allowed to wear shorts above the knee especially with a G=strings showing. If you are over 50 no leather or tattoo's of any kind. No beer can shirts or rebel flags.......(SIC)....

This is a generational, cultural thing...like nose piercing and tongue piercing..and to try and legislate what people wear is sorry..just petty~~ I think we have bigger fish to fry in the country.

Also, for the record black people are NOT the only ones who sag their pants, many young white youth sag their pants as well..and most of the youth who do wear two pairs of shorts to not show their underwear. I bet the same people who use disgusting racial slurs about this are the same ones who run out to get the latest copy of playboy as soon as it hits the shelf or have no problem when some hot young actress lets all her silicone hang out!!

Personally, I don't like how sagging looks..it looks uncomfortable, sloppy and irritating...but I don't want anyone legislating what I can or cannot wear. Racial predjudice makes me ill!!....blessings T

I don't like racial prejudice either...here's proof idiots come in all shapes and colors.....

 

[msswv123]

Thanks Astrobee...here's another one ~ sure doesn't look like the ghetto in the background

 

[Chair Warmer]

I don't think they should pass this law.

For one thing, I want to know who the ghetto gangsta scum are from a distance, and it makes it so much eaiser to identify them by the way they wear their pants.

Also, if they commit a crime it makes it harder for them to run away, causing them to trip and fall, which makes catching the criminals so much easier. It also looks like it would be harder to hide a weapon in pants that are nearly falling off.

Nobody will hire someone dressed like that, which leaves more jobs for the rest of us who actually care about looking presentable and decent.

I say don't criminalize it, in fact promote it! The smart ones won't fall for it. lol

Mrs.Cw

 

[Chair Warmer]

Thanks Astrobee...here's another one ~ sure doesn't look like the ghetto in the background

That's hilarious! They are trying soooooo soooooooo hard to be gangsta but they're just wee... wannabes! It's so cute and adorable! (kinda like when my kitty tries to look pissed off at me but he's just a big lovable furball).

Mrs.Cw

 

[Dennis Olson]

You're missing the point. It's not the ghetto in the background, but it IS the ghetto in their heads. And they think that's so cool.

But again, far be it from me to interfere with those of you who are so obtuse that you can't make the mental connection between the wiggers and the ******s. But rest assured, the kids DO make the connection. they understand it well.

 

[msswv123]

No...I'm not missing the point Dennis. Soooooooooo it's not the ones who live in the ghetto...but live in the ghetto in their heads...ok..so how did they get the ghetto in their head? Sagging pants?... I just don't agree with your opinion. I have my opinions on an issue and you have yours.I just don't think all the racist language is necessary to discuss a subject, which seemed to be should what people wear be legislated by law..the interference in personal freedom by local, state or federal government~....blessings T

 

[feralmama]

Who cares what they wear? Separation of state and wardrobe.

and truth in advertising, if they want to show off their skid marks ..

 

[truthseeker]

Actually, it IS a black gangsta thing. Then the white boys who aspire to be like their gangsta heroes (many people call these kids "wiggers") started wearing that "style"as well. Having half of one's ass showing is not what I consider to be style. I consider it borderline public indecency. I see no problem outlawing it.

Ummm, no dennis, it was started mainly by white skateboarding kids and switched over to "the gansta" type and and then general hip-hop. Most people who have been outs side small nut-producing little villes know the difference.

Skaters are actually going with jeanes now, that they look like tights. The hip- have embraced, but not as skin tight. You still see underwear, but no long cheeks.

I have to laugh cities are going after this "scourge" as its dying out. Typical goverment in action, lol.

What id like to see is all spandex and sweat paints banned from overweight people.

 

[truthseeker]

Wikipedia:

Wigger
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
For other uses, see Wigger (disambiguation).

Wigger (sometimes spelled whigger) is a pejorative slang term for a white person who emulates mannerisms, language, and fashions associated with African-American culture, particularly hip hop in the United States or the Grime/Garage scene in Britain.[1] The term is a portmanteau of either wannabe or white and ******. The term is considered derogatory, reflecting stereotypes of African-American or Black British culture, and can be used pejoratively, because of its connotations of cultural appropriation. It is also often used in a racist manner, not only belittling the person perceived as acting black, but also demeaning black people and culture by proxy. Some, however, use the term neutrally, or as a light joke, without any racism intended.

I never seenone puposefully post a definition, that makes them look like an asshole.

 

[truthseeker]

You're missing the point. It's not the ghetto in the background, but it IS the ghetto in their heads. And they think that's so cool.

But again, far be it from me to interfere with those of you who are so obtuse that you can't make the mental connection between the wiggers and the ******s. But rest assured, the kids DO make the connection. they understand it well.

No dennis, your missing the point. Thats what YOU associate with baggy jeans. SO YOU, ARE THE ONE SAYING THEY ARE WANNA-BE GANSTERS. That is your opinion, frankly unfoundedly and its blantaly, not only racist, but any others who share a similar style, you condem based on YOUR assumptions.

Why do teen black, mexican, asian and white boys sag?

Was it really that long ago you were a teenager, dennis?

The sag cause teen girls think its sexy. When they get older and the women dont like it changes pretty fast.

 

[Dennis Olson]

My assumptions are based on the true origin of the "style." And not only that, it IS borderline indecent exposure. Why don't YOU walk around town with your panties showing? I mean, you don't mind, right?

 

[Dennis Olson]

No...I'm not missing the point Dennis. Soooooooooo it's not the ones who live in the ghetto...but live in the ghetto in their heads...ok..so how did they get the ghetto in their head? Sagging pants?... I just don't agree with your opinion. I have my opinions on an issue and you have yours.I just don't think all the racist language is necessary to discuss a subject, which seemed to be should what people wear be legislated by law..the interference in personal freedom by local, state or federal government~....blessings T

But you already know the answer to that. The saggy pants are just the symptom. They wear them to emulate their gangsta heroes.

 

[msswv123]

My assumptions are based on the true origin of the "style." And not only that, it IS borderline indecent exposure. Why don't YOU walk around town with your panties showing? I mean, you don't mind, right?

Lots of people do walk around with their panties showing...lots of teen girls let their thongs show (don't hear as much complaining about that)..borderline indecent exposure? So who sets the borders?...my mother hated my elephant leg bell bottom pants, toe socks and platform shoes...it was a "fad"...just like sagging pants and ear gauges....to each his own.



Plus no matter what it still doesn't grant the right to defame a whole race of people..blessings T

 

[msswv123]

But you already know the answer to that. The saggy pants are just the symptom. They wear them to emulate their gangsta heroes.

Yeah sad that they have to emulate gangsters since there are so few "real" heroes and real men with integrity to emulate these days, wouldn't have anything to do with the constant diet of violent videos and images we feed them and accept..so we choose the blame game and of course let's blame those of society who we have some type of personal hang up with so it makes us feel like we are better than someone else and hold no responsibility whatsoever for how things are. Pass the blame game...maybe I could get that on reality tv~..blessings T

 

[Dennis Olson]

Evidently you have never read my position that "ghetto ******s" aren't in the same book to me as Blacks. I respect Blacks, and loathe ghetto ******s. It's not their color, it's their mindset and culture. And I've said that for years and YEARS.


As for indecent exposure, here are a few examples. Of course you probably think they're fine....

 

[msswv123]

Dennis, if people want to show their flaws (mental or physical) thats their perogative~ If I don't like something I don't look at it. Glad you could clarify your position. I find the language you are using offensive..even to me and I'm not black...I think myself and others have clarified that LOTS of teenagers sag their pants as did you above. I've also clarified my position so end of debate for me. blessings T

 

[FarmerJohn]

How come nobody is rejoicing about the evident fact that Montgomery has eliminated all major crime and is now down to policing the public dress code?

Let's hear it for MONTGOMERY!

 

[kjcap_777]

Dennis, if people want to show their flaws (mental or physical) thats their perogative~ If I don't like something I don't look at it. Glad you could clarify your position. I find the language you are using offensive..even to me and I'm not black...I think myself and others have clarified that LOTS of teenagers sag their pants as did you above. I've also clarified my position so end of debate for me. blessings T

+1000
Once the 'N' word was so callously used the thread became worthless.

I hate that word and for folks who claim to raise their children in a respectful manner and feel it is ok to use the 'N' word in the same paragraph just speaks volumes to their actual character, which is imho, is racist, and totally immoral. Children live what they learn and if Children live in a home full of racism, they become racist and are comfortable with 'hate' in their hearts, IF the curse isn't broken. Some parents have no idea how their words hurt and conform their children's views and keep them in the chains of bondage of ignorance for generations to come.

Teach a Child love, honor and respect for ALL mankind, then the child will become a compassionate giver instead of the "Me.Me,Me,My,My,My-Mentality" and parents wonder why their Children turn to drugs..bawaha...many turn to drugs because they feel the 'scars of childhood' disappear, and they feel 'free' in their minds from their parents 'curse'.

I'm not saying this is the case full stop, but for many this criteria fits the bill.

I would feel and DO feel the same way about ,Arabs being called 'rag heads', Mexicans being called,'Wet Backs' and Italians being called,'Whops', and for Folks who live in Trailers or RV's being called, 'Trailer Trash'...it is ALL uncalled for in a civil debate OR for ANY reason, but seems to always rear it's UGLY head when someone takes respect and flushes it down the pipes.

To accept this type wording (N Word) as ok to use on a public forum such as TBK2000 to me in any way lowers the standard for all members. TBK2000 is above this level of ignorance for the most part and has served to help thousands of people to learn how to survive in the most dire situations, and TBK2000 has NO place for this type of racial bigotry.

Frankly it is a turn-off for perspective new members who are thinking of joining and contributing to the upkeep of this board.

The OP-(Original Post) was lost in transition at the mention of the 'N' word.
I'm done.
MCA