OT/MISC Annie Jacobsen’s new best-selling book, “Nuclear War: A Scenario.”

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Just finished reading it. Excellent!

Quick side point:
After the success of Dune Part 2, Canadian filmmaker Denis Villeneuve is in talks to direct a film adaptation of Annie Jacobsen's nonfiction book Nuclear War: A Scenario.

For those who like official book reviews, one can be found here:

‘My jaw dropped’: Annie Jacobsen on her scenario for nuclear war | Books | The Guardian

My personal thoughts? Well worth the $20 for a hardcover copy on Amazon. I couldn’t put it down. The research is woven into a captivating flow of thought. I may not agree 100% with everything, but the presentation is engaging, and dare I say, entertaining?
 
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North Dakota and Montana are high-value nuclear strike targets.
Same goes for Naval base Kitsap, WA; Jim Creek naval radio station, WA; FE Warren AFB, WY; Hill AFB, UT; Kirkland AFB, NM

Bad regions/states to be in: MT, ND, WY, UT, NM, WA, NY, CA, Chicago, Houston, DC.
 
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Well I got about 5 minutes into the video. The launch on warning from a satellite detection doesn’t go along with the Commies claiming we’ll absorb the first strike. Also the president being solely in charge of the nuke launch. We already now that’s not true. Miley told China in a private call they wouldn’t allow Trump to do this very thing.

So there’s a lot of dark behind the scenes … me thinks
 
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I enjoyed it but didn't like that half of the book was footnotes. She did some good research but also got a few items wrong.
 
Ractivist

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Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Seemed like a predicator. Like she's setting us up for the inevitable, as a matter of propaganda. Her facts are solid, her delivery raises my hackles.....but it's likely gonna come soon enough....hope folks prepare wisely, considering it's not the end of all things to those who are in the right place and know what to do. Nuclear war is livable.
 
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Tristan said:
Anything we haven't hashed out here on TB over the last 25 years?

Not being sarcastic - wondering if there's any new meat to add to the hash.
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Yes, for sure. The book is set up to describe what would happen minute-by-minute after a launch was detected. Because of the meticulous research, this book is considered non-fiction. It is quite captivating.

Some of the conclusions in the final chapter are debatable, but the writing is superb. The amount of details in this book will enlighten, guaranteed.
 
Tristan

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I just watched the first of the Lex vids interviewing Jacobsen, and she didn't cover anything that I wasn't aware of decades ago.

Perhaps she's just come to these realizations. Perhaps because of the rhetoric that's been thrown about the past few years.

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Ractivist said:
Seemed like a predicator. Like she's setting us up for the inevitable, as a matter of propaganda. Her facts are solid, her delivery raises my hackles.....but it's likely gonna come soon enough....hope folks prepare wisely, considering it's not the end of all things to those who are in the right place and know what to do. Nuclear war is livable.
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There's plenty of reports of refuges being, and having been built for the 'Large and in Charge'. Shelters. DUMBS. etc. You know what I mean...

They're definitely planning on avoiding the worst of the effects.

Not for Us to, of course. Just them.

And I get the feeling, based on their commentary through the years, that some - perhaps many - would consider that a 'win-win'.
 
Illini Warrior

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if there's no mention of the Biden Effect currently and the last 3 years - not much of an up-to-date scenario >>>

nobody but the insider Darkside knows how the US nuke response would be - certainly wouldn't be the conventional decades old POTUS authorization >>> that senile old fart was never trusted with the Nuke Football from Day 1 - the stories that military handler could tell ....
 
Jez

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The Bomb, by Fred Kaplan was a pretty interesting read. The only drawback was after a while you could definitely tell he was pro Democrat by how he covered Kennedy, Obama, and Trump.

The Bomb: Presidents, Generals, and the Secret History of Nuclear War https://a.co/d/f0Yj6io
 
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Donghe Surfer said:
North Dakota and Montana are high-value nuclear strike targets.
Same goes for Naval base Kitsap, WA; Jim Creek naval radio station, WA; FE Warren AFB, WY; Hill AFB, UT; Kirkland AFB, NM

Bad regions/states to be in: MT, ND, WY, UT, NM, WA, NY, CA, Chicago, Houston, DC.
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I miss the old SAC days. I live so close to a base that I won't even see the flash.

One of my favorite stores is how Regan broke the ice with Gorbachev (?). During a break in disarmament negotiations Regan said the US would come to the defense of the USSR if Aliens ever attacked them. Gorbachev said he'd do the same if Aliens attacked the USA.
 
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I'm currently reading "The Third World War: August 1985" (General Sir John Hackett, 1978). Obviously dated in many of the details, but I think there is still something to be gained from reading the take on things back then. For example, while the war in the Ukraine clearly isn't all about using old Soviet equipment and tactics, nonetheless I think both the Russians and the Ukrainians were saturated in that mindset and are often fighting the way the Soviets might have fought in Western Europe. As I recall from the first reading about 45 years ago, neither side resorted to large-scale nuclear attacks on the other side. But of course things are different now ... or are they?
 
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tanstaafl said:
I'm currently reading "The Third World War: August 1985" (General Sir John Hackett, 1978). Obviously dated in many of the details, but I think there is still something to be gained from reading the take on things back then. For example, while the war in the Ukraine clearly isn't all about using old Soviet equipment and tactics, nonetheless I think both the Russians and the Ukrainians were saturated in that mindset and are often fighting the way the Soviets might have fought in Western Europe. As I recall from the first reading about 45 years ago, neither side resorted to large-scale nuclear attacks on the other side. But of course things are different now ... or are they?
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A great author and a very worthwhile book to read.

I remember reading this back in the day. I think it is an update to the 1978 edition.

Published in 1982.

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A great author and a very worthwhile book to read.

I remember reading this back in the day. I think it is an update to the 1978 edition.

Published in 1982.
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My copy shows at least three reprints, so I'm not surprised if it was updated. It also has the claim that President Carter kept this book on his Oval Office desk. I'm not a Carter fan, but to give Carter at least some credit I think Reagan took political bows for weapons programs that were actually initiated in the Carter administration (for example, naval vessels that were commissioned during Reagan's administration, but in fact took up to ten years from start to final deployment). I also think the book still has things to teach us about Soviet (now Russian) strategic thinking. I don't think today's Russians are interchangeable with the Soviets, but I think they rhyme a lot.

There's a short story about how the Soviets launch a surprise large-scale nuclear attack. Then the Soviet premier gets on the Hot Line with the President and tells him Soviet scientists calculated what it would take to cause a nuclear winter and their nuclear attack was just under that amount. Any nuclear response the West made would cause nuclear winter and essentially end the human race. Your move.
 
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