PLAY Ann Arbor MI law could force conservatives to say liberal stuff & work to get liberals get elected

MinnesotaSmith

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Ann Arbor Could Fine Conservatives $500 Per Day for Not Parroting Left-Wing Talking Points
BY TYLER O'NEIL JULY 31, 2019

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Jacob Chludzinski (left) and Grant Strobl (right) of ThinkRight Strategies.

"A law in Ann Arbor could force a Democrat to write speeches for President Donald Trump or a pro-life artist to create a mural for Planned Parenthood.

On Tuesday, Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) filed a lawsuit on behalf of a conservative political consulting firm, warning that an Ann Arbor non-discrimination law would force that firm to parrot liberal messages and help Democrats get elected. If they refuse, they could get hit with fines of $500 per day. ADF is representing Grant Strobl and Jacob Chludzinski, founders of the company ThinkRight Strategies.

"On the face of the law, it is illegal for Grant and Jacob to decline a request to promote, for example, a Democrat running for office or Planned Parenthood because that would be discrimination based on political beliefs under the law," ADF Legal Counsel Samuel Green told PJ Media.

"Public accommodations laws across the country have been used to force people to express messages that violate their convictions," Green added, referencing the cases of Christian baker Jack Phillips and Christian florist Barronelle Stutzman. Phillips and Stutzman gladly serve all people, including LGBT people, but they refused to use their artistic talents to celebrate a same-sex wedding, since they believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. State agencies in Colorado and Washington state ruled that they had discriminated on the basis of sexual orientation, but ADF rightly defended them as expressing their free speech.

"Grant and Jacob, like all of Alliance Defending Freedom’s clients, will work with people from all backgrounds. There are simply messages they cannot promote," Green explained. "Everyone should be concerned when the government steps in and starts compelling people to advocate for views they oppose."

"Ann Arbor’s law would force Grant and Jacob, who started a political consulting firm, to advocate for their conservative political beliefs, to advance political causes that they oppose," he argued. "The government should never force people to express political causes that violate their convictions."

The Ann Arbor non-discrimination law is extremely broad and open to abuse. The law defines a "place of public accommodation" to include any "business ... whose goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages or accommodations are extended, offered, sold or otherwise made available to the public." Any such company is prohibited from discriminating on the basis of political beliefs.

"Ann Arbor's law is quite broad," the ADF lawyer noted. "It even prohibits Grant and Jacob from putting a statement on their website that they will only advance conservative beliefs and from having internal policies saying that."

According to section 9:155, "No person shall adopt, enforce or employ any policy or requirement, publish, post or broadcast any advertisement, sign or notice which discriminates or indicates discrimination in providing housing, employment or public accommodations."

While it might be defensible to prevent a company from posting a sign reading "no blacks allowed" or "no gays allowed" or "no conservatives allowed," this law also prevents ThinkRight Strategies from posting a sign or even an online message reading, "ThinkRight Strategies advocates for conservative causes and will not promote liberal causes."

Worse, section 9:156 even prohibits ThinkRight Strategies from having an internal policy restricting its services to conservative candidates or causes.

"No person shall adopt, enforce or employ any policy or requirement which has the effect of creating unequal opportunities according to ... political beliefs ... for an individual to obtain housing, employment or public accommodation, except for a bona fide business necessity. Such a necessity does not arise due to a mere inconvenience or because of suspected objection to such a person by neighbors, customers or other persons," the law states.

"Regardless of where people stand on the political divide, all of them should be supporting Grant and Jacob in this lawsuit because people should be able to determine for themselves which political causes they promote," Green said. "If Grant and Jacob were to post an explanation on their website of the political beliefs they can and cannot advance or to decline to write a speech for a Democrat’s campaign, they could face fines of up to $500 per day."

Yet the non-discrimination law does not just threaten ThinkRight Strategies. "This law doesn’t just threaten Grant and Jacob, it threatens people of all political beliefs. It could be used to require a Democrat to write speeches for President Trump or a pacifist painter to paint pro-war murals. It could force a pro-life painter to produce a mural for Planned Parenthood."

The ADF lawyer noted that Strobl and Chludzinski "have been active in politics since their childhood and ThinkRight Strategies is the next step for them to advance their beliefs. They're concerned about this law that affects their liberty and the liberty of all Americans."

"We’re hoping that the court will step in and protect everyone’s First Amendment freedoms to choose what positions they will advocate for," Green said.

Every American has the right to act according to their conscience free from government-compelled speech. This case offers another chance for a court to prove that free speech is a fundamental American value."
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Well that's a big pile of stupid.

Seriously, why? They can force you to do this, but they can't force you to do it well.

The conservative firm's first poster for the liberal: "Vote Liberal: Please Don't Ask What He Does With His Dog on the Weekend"

What, you don't like it? Maybe you shouldn't have forced our hand.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
How about:
Vote liberal: because more dead babies is a GOOD THING, right?

Vote liberal: because you know, in your heart, you're a commie.

Vote liberal: Tyrants R Us!

Vote liberal: or we'll dox you, run you out of restaurants, get you fired, and put you on trains to death camps��
 

skwentnaflyer

Veteran Member
Well that's a big pile of stupid.

Seriously, why? They can force you to do this, but they can't force you to do it well.

The conservative firm's first poster for the liberal: "Vote Liberal: Please Don't Ask What He Does With His Dog on the Weekend"

What, you don't like it? Maybe you shouldn't have forced our hand.


Vote Muslim: Lock up your goats
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
This is actually very akin to the "Bakery who won't bake a cake for a Homosexual Wedding."

Free trade involves the freedom of either party to not reach agreement on the terms of that trade.

If you don't have agreement to the terms, then you don't have free trade.

In the case of the Bakery, he drew the lines on trade based on his religious values.

In the case of advertising, they draw the lines on trade based on political values.

What is notable in both of these cases is one human who desires to impede the values of another, or promote his own values at the imposition of another's.

What would have happened if they drew the lines on trade based on monetary value?

"You say I charge too much for my service? I don't think I charge enough - but I'm willing to take less as I need the work - but not THAT much less."

Of course in a Socialist-Democratic (Communist) world NEED goes ahead of ability to pay.

"I NEED your service for free - work for me you enslaved human!"

This sounds funny coming from me. But I am paid well (adequate) for my services to Owner.

Dobbin

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dvo

Veteran Member
Ann Arbor huh? Should have expected something like this. Put a big wall around that academic slum.
 

amarilla

Veteran Member
Move out. Ypsilanti probably doesn't have such a law. Hard to tell where some of the borders for A2 and Ypsi are. Then hire the other people to have to do conservative causes.

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Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Move out. Ypsilanti probably doesn't have such a law. Hard to tell where some of the borders for A2 and Ypsi are. Then hire the other people to have to do conservative causes.
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Ypsi is a 3rd world crap hole. It was bad in the 80s and even worse now. Just move to Des Moines, instead.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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I've never figured out why, as with the Baker, they do not say "I'm very sorry, I just checked my shedule and am booked solid for those dates but I might be able to fit you in at a later time." or, "Well, I'm boked solide but for [[name some stupidly exorbitant amount]] I can possibly fit you in." or "I'm terribly sorry but we really ruined your cake-I will refund your money ASAP and best of luck, again, very sorry!"

See, I don't photo weddings or kids birthdays or homo sex acts. I tell people up front I won't do those if asked. If it got turned into a lawsuit or threat of a lawsuit you can bet your ass I'd be tied up, forget to load the memory card in the camera or have some other malfunction they'd have to prove in court was intentional.

Prove my vision was not messed up that day or I was not having issues from my Stroke. Go ahead-I dare you.

Not difficult to figure out-don't play their game by their rules.

"Sure, I will set up the flyerts and posters for your candidate." Later "Something went wrong in the software during print and your candidates image was replaced with a butthole-no I mean an actual Anus, no idea how THAT got in the system and the lettering is all messed up so I appologize, I know you needed them by this afternoon but I've got the Printers memory out on the floor being looked at to determine the issue..."
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I always thought laws against discrimination were a matter of protected class: race, sex (became sexual persuasion,) religion. Political persuasion is not a protected class. HOWEVER, the right of conscience, the foundation of freedom of speech and religion, is a natural God-given, inalienable right. The government was strictly forbidden from regulating it unless it manifests in a way that physically harms someone else. Certainly, it trumps someone else's market access privileges.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
"Well, I'm boked solide but for [[name some stupidly exorbitant amount]] I can possibly fit you in."

A typical tradesman's answer to too much work.

If you price it high (whatever it is) free enterprise and human reason will bring the work elsewhere.

AND

Never refuse to quote a job. If you don't want it - price it high.

You do the trade AND possibly yourself a favor.

You do have to be prepared to work harder - or subcontract.

Dobbin
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
That law is EASY TO EVADE.
You can't force a plumber to do gas piping or a home architect to design a suspension bridge.
They just have to change their COMPANY NAME to correctly, PUBLICLY define "Their SPECIALTY"
So, instead of "ThinkRight Strategies" I would change it to "Conservative Strategies Specialists" (or Consultants) thereby advising the Public what they DO BEST. You can always TAKE a job and make them regret it because you warned them that that was not your specialty.

If you, not having cancer, go to an oncologist(cancer doctor) you probably won't get the BEST treatment and care available for your pregnancy, labor and delivery of you and your healthy baby. The LAWS might force him to take you as a patient, but the law is often an ass. IF advertising companies can refuse to take conservative ads, and they DO ALL THE TIME, then thinkright can specialize in conservative promotion.
 
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Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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A typical tradesman's answer to too much work.

If you price it high (whatever it is) free enterprise and human reason will bring the work elsewhere.

AND

Never refuse to quote a job. If you don't want it - price it high.

You do the trade AND possibly yourself a favor.

You do have to be prepared to work harder - or subcontract.

Dobbin

Yup and if you have your prices listed so you cannot reasonably Price it High then find that your tools do not fit the job you are supposed to be doing

[[Take a Jewelers hammer to a job needing a Jackhammer kind of thing.]]

Have to be smarter than the Hammer.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
I'd like to think that would work...

That law is EASY TO EVADE.
You can't force a plumber to do gas piping or a home architect to design a suspension bridge.
They just have to change their COMPANY NAME to correctly, PUBLICLY define "Their SPECIALTY"
So, instead of "ThinkRight Strategies" I would change it to "Conservative Strategies Specialists" (or Consultants) thereby advising the Public what they DO BEST. You can always TAKE a job and make them regret it because you warned them that that was not your specialty.

If you, not having cancer, go to an oncologist(cancer doctor) you probably won't get the BEST treatment and care available for your pregnancy, labor and delivery of you and your healthy baby. The LAWS might force him to take you as a patient, but the law is often an ass. IF advertising companies can refuse to take conservative ads, and they DO ALL THE TIME, then thinkright can specialize in conservative promotion.

But, in a libtard-dominated state, I suspect that would have the same ending as trying to set up a "White Folks Only Diner". The very name of the business would be deemed a confession of guilt in breaking their anti-conservative laws.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
wish people would actually read rge constitution. forced servitude is already against the law.

Doesn't stop alimony, child support, or income taxation to support welfare payouts, any more than it did to prevent Selective Service conscription (the org of which still exists today).
 
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