SCI An Earth-like Planet Only 16 Light Years Away?

Housecarl

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An Earth-like Planet Only 16 Light Years Away?

20 Apr , 2016 by Evan Gough
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Earth may have a new neighbour, in the form of an Earth-like planet in a solar system only 16 light years away. The planet orbits a star named Gliese 832, and that solar system already hosts two other known exoplanets: Gliese 832B and Gliese 832C. The findings were reported in a new paper by Suman Satyal at the University of Texas, and colleagues J. Gri?th, and Z. E. Musielak.

Gliese 832B is a gas giant similar to Jupiter, at 0.64 the mass of Jupiter, and it orbits its star at 3.5 AU. G832B probably plays a role similar to Jupiter in our Solar System, by setting gravitational equilibrium. Gliese 832C is a Super-Earth about 5 times as massive as Earth, and it orbits the star at a very close 0.16 AU. G832C is a rocky planet on the inner edge of the habitable zone, but is likely too close to its star for habitability. Gliese 832, the star at the center of it all, is a red dwarf about half the size of our Sun, in both mass and radius.

The newly discovered planet is still hypothetical at this point, and the researchers put its mass at between 1 and 15 Earth masses, and its orbit at between 0.25 to 2.0 AU from Gliese 582, its host star.

The two previously discovered planets in Gliese 832 were discovered using the radial velocity technique. Radial velocity detects planets by looking for wobbles in the host star, as it responds to the gravitational tug exerted on it by planets in orbit. These wobbles are observable through the Doppler effect, as the light of the affected star is red-shifted and blue-shifted as it moves.

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The team behind this study re-analyzed the data from the Gliese 832 system, based on the idea that the vast distance between the two already-detected planets would be home to another planet. According to other solar systems studied by Kepler, it would be highly unusual for such a gap to exist.

As they say in their paper, the main thrust of the study is to explore the gravitational effect that the large outer planet has on the smaller inner planet, and also on the hypothetical Super-Earth that may inhabit the system. The team conducted numerical simulations and created models constrained by what’s known about the Gliese 832 system to conclude that an Earth-like planet may orbit Gliese 832.

This can all sound like some hocus-pocus in a way, as my non-science-minded friends like to point out. Just punch in some numbers until it shows an Earth-like planet, then publish and get attention. But it’s not. This kind of modelling and simulation is very rigorous.

Putting in all the data that’s known about the Gliese 832 system, including radial velocity data, orbital inclinations, and gravitational relationships between the planets and the star, and between the planets themselves, yields bands of probability where previously undetected planets might exist. This result tells planet hunters where to start looking for planets.

In the case of this paper, the result indicates that “there is a slim window of about 0.03 AU where an Earth-like planet could be stable as well as remain in the HZ.” The authors are quick to point out that the existence of this planet is not proven, only possible.

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The other planets were found using the radial velocity method, which is pretty reliable. But radial velocity only provides clues to the existence of planets, it doesn’t prove that they’re there. Yet. The authors acknowledge that a larger number of radial velocity observations are needed to confirm the existence of this new planet. Barring that, either the transit method employed by the Kepler spacecraft, or direct observation with powerful telescopes, may also provide positive proof.

So far, the Kepler spacecraft has confirmed the existence of 1,041 planets. But Kepler can’t look everywhere for planets. Studies like these are crucial in giving Kepler starting points in its search for exoplanets. If an exoplanet can be confirmed in the Gliese 832 system, then it also confirms the accuracy of the simulation that the team behind this paper performed.

If confirmed, G832 C would join a growing list of exoplanets. It wasn’t long ago that we knew almost nothing about other solar systems. We only had knowledge of our own. And even though it was always unlikely that our Solar System would for some reason be special, we had no certain knowledge of the population of exoplanets in other solar systems.

Studies like this one point to our growing understanding of the dynamics of other solar systems, and the population of exoplanets in the Milky Way, and most likely throughout the cosmos.
 

packyderms_wife

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Would you look at that. A year ago this would have been considered extreme woo and wouldn't haven't seen the light of the main board.
 

JF&P

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I just did the math....that planet is 93,851,136,000,000 miles away.....thats 2/3rds of the way towards the galaxy center....

"Earth Like" doesn't mean much at that distance. They are looking at spectrum analysis and orbital mechanics as the source for their claim....too many variables outside that particular analysis to determine if the planet is habitable or not.
 

The Mountain

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I just did the math....that planet is 93,851,136,000,000 miles away.....thats 2/3rds of the way towards the galaxy center....

"Earth Like" doesn't mean much at that distance. They are looking at spectrum analysis and orbital mechanics as the source for their claim....too many variables outside that particular analysis to determine if the planet is habitable or not.

Either your math is off by several decimal places, or the galaxy is a LOT smaller than I thought it was. The parent star for this system is 16 light years away, only 4 times farther away than Proxima Centauri. The Shapley Center (galactic core) is supposed to be ~27,000 light years from our sun. To use the "neighborhood" analogy, if the Centauri system is our next-door neighbor, this new system is just across the street.
 

Sub-Zero

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I think you guys are missing the point:

The newly discovered planet is still hypothetical at this point, and the researchers put its mass at between 1 and 15 Earth masses, and its orbit at between 0.25 to 2.0 AU from Gliese 582, its host star.

I'm sure it's brimming with hypothetical water and hypothetical life as well.
 

Housecarl

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https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/03/s...rth-candidates-with-potential-to-harbor-life/

Study identifies 20 ‘second Earth’ candidates with potential to harbor life

Posted Aug 3, 2016 by Darrell Etherington (@etherington)

Finding life beyond Earth means combing through an incredibly vast array of potential planetary candidates, but one new study from a team of researchers led by San Francisco State University astronomer Dr. Stephen R. Kane hopes to add some additional specificity to the search.

The international group of scientists behind the study examined the over 4,000 planets outside of our solar system (exoplanets for those In the know) to identify the ones most likely to harbor life based on the model of the only life-bearing planet we know of: Earth.

The result of the research is a long list of 216 planets from the Kepler list, a catalog of space-based spheres gathered by the Kepler space observatory launched by NASA in 2009 to identify and observe Earth-sized exoplanets. From that list, which includes all planets found to be within the so-called “habitable zone” surrounding a star in which water could remain liquid on the surface of the celestial body.

As we know from the makeup of our own solar system, occupying that solar sweet spot is crucial for supporting life. Any further away, and water freezes – closer in, and it evaporates. Based again on the only example we currently have (Earth), life generally requires liquid water for sustenance.

From that group of 216 — which fit the broad definition of occupying the habitable zone around their particular star, which meant looking at other factors including size and composition of planets — came a short list of 20 candidates which are located in a more “conservatively” defined habitable zone, and that are small and rocky.


Coming up with a short list of Earth-like planets has very real value to the continued project of searching for signs of extraterrestrial life. Simply investigating every exoplanet identified by Kepler just isn’t feasible in terms of available resources, but a core group of 20 with characteristics that greatly increase the likelihood of finding Earth-like life is manageable.

“There are very limited resources available for studying the atmospheres of terrestrial planets and so the Habitable Zone is used to select those planets most likely to have liquid water on the surface,” Kane explained in an interview. “This will become increasingly important once new facilities, such as the James Webb Space Telescope, are deployed.”

So exactly how likely is it that these new 20 Earth-2’s are home to alien life? That’s not for this study to say.

“Unfortunately we cannot give probabilities that a planet has life at this point since we still only have one data point – the Earth – for which we know life exists,” Kane cautioned. “What we can do is focus our efforts on the planets most likely to yield evidence of extraterrestrial life and that is what we hope our work will provide.”
 

Doomer Doug

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I think one light year is 6 TRILLION MILES. 16 times 6 equals 96 TRILLION MILES AWAY. Yep, gonna need some bathroom breaks along the way!
 

byronandkathy2003

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I just did the math....that planet is 93,851,136,000,000 miles away.....thats 2/3rds of the way towards the galaxy center....

"Earth Like" doesn't mean much at that distance. They are looking at spectrum analysis and orbital mechanics as the source for their claim....too many variables outside that particular analysis to determine if the planet is habitable or not.

i bet they are looking back at us and saying the same thing about us too. :D

at 16 light years away they are just guessing as to what is there and they will never really know..
 

TerryK

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In just a little over 100 years we have gone from this

Wright-Brothers-first-flight.jpg

To this
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Who's to say we won't be able to traverse a few light years in one or two hundred years.

Everything is always impossible, not advisable, a fools errand, or against the natural order, until one day someone does it. Shortly thereafter everyone begins to think of that thing as routine and it is taken for granted.

What I find more amazing than finding planets orbiting distant stars is that we still have people living on earth being kept alive by the wonders of modern medicine who still think we are alone in this universe, and that this planet we live on, came into existence just a few thousand years ago.
 

Satanta

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In just a little over 100 years we have gone from this

Wright-Brothers-first-flight.jpg

To this
th


Who's to say we won't be able to traverse a few light years in one or two hundred years.

Everything is always impossible, not advisable, a fools errand, or against the natural order, until one day someone does it. Shortly thereafter everyone begins to think of that thing as routine and it is taken for granted.

What I find more amazing than finding planets orbiting distant stars is that we still have people living on earth being kept alive by the wonders of modern medicine who still think we are alone in this universe, and that this planet we live on, came into existence just a few thousand years ago.

I am thinking such travel has/is already done, maybe on a limited basis and maybe no human but I tend to think in the terms of exploration done similar to Stargate where one send robots to determine what's what, take measurements, deter,ime sustainability.

Then I'vealways been a fan of getting the hell out of here.
 

Housecarl

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With our current technology it will take about 280,000 years just to get there.

Well some current technology...An Orion nuclear system could probably do it in 280 years or less and that's from the 1960s....Though to be fair it would be inefficient as hell considering the energies used.
 
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