TRANS Air India flight nearly runs out of fuel BC never raise landing gear

MinnesotaSmith

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Hultgreen-Curie Syndrome strikes again.:rolleyes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/air-india-forgotten-landing-gear-low-fuel/

Plane nearly ran out of fuel after pilots forgot to bring up landing gear



Hugh Morris 7/28/2017

"Two pilots have been suspended from duty after their aircraft, carrying 99 passengers, nearly ran out of fuel because they forgot to retract the landing gear after take-off.

Air India Flight AI676 was en route to [Bombay] from Kolkata on July 22 but was forced to divert to Nagpur when the crew became alarmed by the speed at which the aircraft was losing fuel thanks to the additional drag created by the extended wheels.

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Landing gear on a British Airways aircraft

An unidentified source told the Times of India that the “brand new Airbus A320”, one of the most fuel efficient aircraft in existence, had struggled to climb after take-off, prompting the pilots to settle on an altitude of 24,000 feet as opposed to a usual cruising height of 35,000 feet. The source, who made a point of saying that both pilots were women, said it flew like this at 230 knots - as opposed to around 500 knots - for about an hour-and-a-half, while the extended landing gear dragged heavily on the aircraft.

At this point, 90 minutes into a two-and-a-half-hour flight, the crew requested permission to divert to Nagpur as their fuel would have run out before reaching [Bombay].

FAQ | What is the landing gear and why does it need to be retracted?
What is the landing gear?

The landing gear is the undercarriage of an aircraft used for landing and take-off. A typical arrangement used on most commercial airliners is a pair of wheels at the front, then two pairs in the centre of the aircraft under the wings, and one each side of the fuselage.

Skis, skids or floats can also be used to aircraft operating in different environments.

Why does it need to retract?

This is to improve performance and fuel efficiency, aiding aerodynamics. Accommodating a retractable set-up means additional weight - as opposed to static - and the requirement of establishing protocol for when the landing gear fails to deploy in its intended manner. Most aircraft have a number of other means of deploying its gear.

Has something like this happened before?

Further evidence of the decreased fuel efficiency created by extended landing gear can be seen in the emergency landing of Hapag-Lloyd Flight 3378 in 2000. The aircraft, flying from Crete to Hannover, was forced to keep its landing gear out as a precaution after take-off as a malfunction had prevented its retraction.

Planning for a diversion to Munich, the aircraft began to lose fuel rapidly, on account of the increased drag, forcing the crew to instead head for Vienna. Even the Austrian airport proved too far as the aircraft ran out of fuel 22km short of the runway, causing it to crash land 660m short. Some 26 people received minor injuries while using the escape slides.


When preparing to land, they decided to lower the landing gear. At this point they realised that the wheels had been out all the while from Kolkata,” said the source.

A playback of the flight from FlightRadar24.com shows it failing to reach an altitude higher than 24,000 feet but put the aircraft’s speed at just over 300 knots.

A spokesperson for Air India told the Times of India the pilots have been “de-rostered” and the airline is investigating.

The problem is more often experienced in reverse when pilots have difficulty lowering the landing gear during an approach. Such landings are called “belly landings” as aircraft attempt to negotiate a touchdown without wheels. This has been known to occur because crew simply forget to lower the gear. One such incident happened to a light aircraft in 2015 when a pilot, distracted by a moose on the runway in Alaska, forgot to lower the landing gear, meaning his twin-engine Piper PA 31-350 landed on its belly, skidding across the tarmac.

The report from the National Transportation Safety Board read: “While on final approach, an airplane that landed in front of him reported a moose in the vicinity of the runway. An airport maintenance person announced on the common traffic advisory frequency that he was attempting to chase the moose off of the runway. The pilot became distracted trying to avoid wake turbulence from the preceding airplane and monitor the location of the vehicle and moose and failed to extend the landing gear prior to landing.”

A remarkable video from 2011 shows a LOT Polish Airlines Boeing 767 landing at Warsaw Chopin Airport without its landing gear, grinding to a halt on the runway on only its fuselage. There were no injuries."
 

Raffy

Veteran Member
Wow. If an airplane is not performing as well as it should, and as it normally does, the pilot should diligently seek the reason for such poor performance. The A320 is a modern aircraft that has a landing gear down indicator to tell that the gear is down. Perhaps that was malfunctioning, but I doubt it because it should have been on during taxi and takeoff. It it was not functioning prior to departure, the pilots should have called a maintenance person or crew to check it out. It seems that some basic procedures were probably not followed here.

I really wonder at the piloting skills of many of today's commercial pilots. Maybe they can skillfully operate the computer controlled wizardry available in today's sophisticated airliners, and pass the tests that demonstrate such, but do they really understand the principles of flight and how to recognize basic aircraft performance characteristics, such as aerodynamic drag and stalls? I'm thinking also of Air France 447 (which crashed off the coast of Brazil a few years ago), in which both pilots allowed the plane to stall for tens of thousands of feet right into the Atlantic Ocean. When an aircraft doesn't perform as it is supposed to, basic knowledge of the principles of flight should kick in to determine why - and quickly. Having 2 pilots in a commercial jetliner is supposed to enhance that process.

Apparently, both of these pilots were women. But let's be careful not to criticize female pilots. I took a flight from Delhi to Kolkata a few months ago on Jet Airways, and that flight was captained by a lady. She did a great job of getting a flight that is usually late (I checked the records on Flightradar24) and got it there ahead of schedule, and making a very smooth landing as well. The problem in this case is not the gender of the aviators, but their training or lack of discipline (or both).
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
It seems that some basic procedures were probably not followed here.

There's an after-takeoff checklist that includes stowing the gear. The gear handle tells what position it's in. The buffeting from down gear is highly characteristic. They can't have run the checklist.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I had two thoughts when I first read this a couple days ago:

I didn't know India had affirmative action...

And...

I didn't know there were blondes in India!

Summerthyme
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I had two thoughts when I first read this a couple days ago:

I didn't know India had affirmative action...

And...

I didn't know there were blondes in India!

Summerthyme

There are only two, who happen to also be sisters.

Heidi and Ute Drajmakampourdingdong.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Not many of those in the cesspool that is India (and they're dummies for being there)...

I had two thoughts when I first read this a couple days ago:

I didn't know India had affirmative action...

And...

I didn't know there were blondes in India!

Summerthyme

But there ARE around a billion Indians (call center, not casino), nearly half of whom are female. And, yes, the dotheads DO shoot themselves in the foot some with sex-based affirmative action, if not as severely as we do. (The reference to Hultgreen-Curie Syndrome is about this.)
 

mikealv77

Senior Member
So did someone in pilot class forget the: " positive climb, retract gear " in the take off checklist?
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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WORST Airline I've ever flown... horrible

Air India isn't that bad. I've generally had pretty good experiences with them. Their food in particular is better than most. I've had worse on some of the US carriers, such as Delta. I don't even consider flying on United at this point.


ETA: The one time I had a female Indian pilot was on Indigo, a regional carrier in India. On that flight, the majority of the trip was fine, smooth, clear weather. The landing seemed to go well, rear wheels down with no incident, and then (presumably) the pilot slammed the nose gear down from a height of about ten feet or so.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Probably just as well that the pilot didn't have to parallel park the plane when they finally landed ... ;)
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They can barely drive a car and they let them fly planes? Christ they should outsource flying.
 
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